Global Warming: What We Knew in Year 1982

[AGWFacts]

"In 1982, Mike MacCracken, then a senior researcher at Livermore
Laboratory, gave a lecture at Sandia Labs on the subject of global
climate change.

"I talked to Dr. MacCracken not long ago at the University of
Michigan, and asked him, if he were to give the lecture today,
what would be changed, and what would be the same."

The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmpiuuBy-4s

Also non-paranoid non-hysterical non-denialists will wish to check
out this video and more at
http://glimpsescience.net/

Mike's lecture starts here, 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIk4cjsMb0

James Hansen at TED
http://climatecrocks.com/2012/03/08/james-hansen-at-ted/

More on Global Sea Ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRc_9nNTZg0

Dr. Julienne Stroeve on Polar ice, Spokane Community College, 2009
http://www.scc.spokane.edu/?scigeollec

Andrew Dessler on Water Vapor feedback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JpcfzxrL4M

Andrew Dessler on Water Vapor and Clouds
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-decade-clouds-positive-climate-feedback.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CavtDvGk8mM

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[Sam Wormley]

On 3/26/12 3:20 PM, AGWFacts wrote:

> Global Warming: What We Knew in 82
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmpiuuBy-4s

Wake up call for climate science deniers.

[Blue]

On 26/03/2012 21:20, AGWFacts wrote:
> "In 1982, Mike MacCracken, then a senior researcher at Livermore
> Laboratory, gave a lecture at Sandia Labs on the subject of global
> climate change.
>
> "I talked to Dr. MacCracken not long ago at the University of
> Michigan, and asked him, if he were to give the lecture today,
> what would be changed, and what would be the same."
>
> The video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmpiuuBy-4s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seeing_Equinoxes_and_Solstices_from_Space.ogv


Here is the visible 'evidence' shown in the video.

It has nothing to do with man made global warming.

[be...@iwaynet.net]

And how much deforestation went on in that period?

And from you holocultists? Not a peep. Obviously it's only about money
(taxes) and not about stopping the rape of the planet. Just HOW much CO2
absorption capacity has been LOST due to deforestation over time? I'm
betting is CLOSE to the increase in atmospheric CO2 we are measuring.

But guess what? The SAME power elite including the World Bank etc. who
have been raking in billions by plundering the planet are the SAME
people pushing hard on the so-called energy taxes to "save the planet"
(from the actions THEY undertook).

The irony here is immense!

[Michael Dobony]

Very interesting propaganda. No experiments cited. Climate models that have
never proven accurate. No studies cited directly. Inuendo and emotional
draw. No real science, as ususal. Give me experiment (manipulation and
control of variables). Give me researcher conclusions, not emotional
nonsense.

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

interesting; now, if they would only look at the abosrptive spectrum
of CO2 versus H2O:
In technical terms, Dessler found that for every 1 degree (C) of
warming, clouds amplify that by trapping an additional 0.5 Watts per
square meter – the standard for measuring incoming and outgoing energy
in Earth's atmosphere. Dessler noted that the decade did not see an
obvious enough temperature trend to say what fraction of any warming
clouds were responsible for.

"This really emphasizes the need for continuity in our long term
satellite observing systems," Bosilovich said. "Breaks in the
continuity of the observations would continue to add uncertainty. It
also shows that long re-analyses of satellite data can make critical
contributions to climate studies. Those two things, a long satellite
data record and the reanalysis, came together in this study."

There is still too much uncertainty to make robust projections of how
clouds would respond to a warming world in the long term. In fact, the
observations do not rule out a negative feedback during the decade
observed, although the likelihood of this is small. But, Dessler noted
the observations do rule out the idea that clouds are producing a
negative feedback large enough that it can prevent substantial carbon
dioxide-induced warming.

> Andrew Dessler on Water Vapor and Cloudshttp://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-decade-clouds-positive-climate-fe...

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

thank you, for the direct example of "total differential
of insolation from equator to poles (say) at local noon
on the equinox."

also, see the Wiki entry on "agnle of total reflection"
off of water (say) in the Arctic Ocean.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seeing_Equinoxes_and_Solstices_from...

[Rich]

That Peak Oil didn't happen in 1980, like the kooks predicted?

[erschro...@gmail.com]

On Mar 26, 6:29 pm, Michael Dobony <sur...@stopassaultnow.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:20:44 -0600, AGWFacts wrote:
> > "In 1982, Mike MacCracken, then a senior researcher at Livermore
> > Laboratory, gave a lecture at Sandia Labs on the subject of global
> > climate change.
>
> > "I talked to Dr. MacCracken not long ago at the University of
> > Michigan, and asked him, if he were to give the lecture today,
> > what would be changed, and what would be the same."
>
> > The video:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmpiuuBy-4s
>
> > Also non-paranoid non-hysterical non-denialists will wish to check
> > out this video and more at
> >http://glimpsescience.net/
>
> > Mike's lecture starts here, 1 of 6
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIk4cjsMb0
>
> > James Hansen at TED
> >http://climatecrocks.com/2012/03/08/james-hansen-at-ted/
>
> > More on Global Sea Ice
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRc_9nNTZg0
>
> > Dr. Julienne Stroeve on Polar ice, Spokane Community College, 2009
> >http://www.scc.spokane.edu/?scigeollec
>
> > Andrew Dessler on Water Vapor feedback
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JpcfzxrL4M
>
> > Andrew Dessler on Water Vapor and Clouds

> >http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-decade-clouds-positive-climate-fe...

> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CavtDvGk8mM
>
> Very interesting propaganda. No experiments cited. Climate models that have
> never proven accurate. No studies cited directly. Inuendo and emotional
> draw. No real science, as ususal. Give me experiment (manipulation and
> control of variables). Give me researcher conclusions, not emotional
> nonsense.

1. Climate models are quite accurate. You're lying when you say they
aren't.

2. No actual studies? LOL. When have you denialists ever posted any
studies, any 'real science'? You post blogs and editorials, and
that's all.

[Big Conspiraceee!!!!!!!]

Michael Dobony wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:20:44 -0600, AGWFacts wrote:
> > "In 1982, Mike MacCracken, then a senior researcher at Livermore
> > Laboratory, gave a lecture at Sandia Labs on the subject of global
> > climate change.
>
> > "I talked to Dr. MacCracken not long ago at the University of
> > Michigan, and asked him, if he were to give the lecture today,
> > what would be changed, and what would be the same."
>
> > The video:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmpiuuBy-4s
>
> > Also non-paranoid non-hysterical non-denialists will wish to check
> > out this video and more at
> >http://glimpsescience.net/
>
> > Mike's lecture starts here, 1 of 6
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIk4cjsMb0
>
> > James Hansen at TED
> >http://climatecrocks.com/2012/03/08/james-hansen-at-ted/
>
> > More on Global Sea Ice
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRc_9nNTZg0
>
> > Dr. Julienne Stroeve on Polar ice, Spokane Community College, 2009
> >http://www.scc.spokane.edu/?scigeollec
>
> > Andrew Dessler on Water Vapor feedback
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JpcfzxrL4M
>
> > Andrew Dessler on Water Vapor and Clouds

> >http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-decade-clouds-positive-climate-fe...

> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CavtDvGk8mM
>
> Very interesting propaganda. No experiments cited. Climate models that have
> never proven accurate. No studies cited directly. Inuendo and emotional
> draw. No real science, as ususal. Give me experiment (manipulation and
> control of variables). Give me researcher conclusions, not emotional
> nonsense.

To know that, you must be a scientist and we all know that scientists
are liars, so how can we trust your opinion?

Scientists are bullies who are always trying to tell us what to think.

It's a big socialist conspiracee!!! You assholes are Godless,
leftist Atheists.

Pretty soon God's going to reach down from the sky and destroy you
all.

[Big Conspiraceee!!!!!!!]

Rich wrote:
>  That Peak Oil didn't happen in 1980, like the kooks predicted?

Science is a leftist conspiraceee!!! Reagan and Mulroney were
leftists because they believed in acid rain when it was later
determined by real scientists that it was all a big socialist
reaganomic money grab and an attempt to destroy the coal industry.
Hence anyone who voted for or supported Reagan or Mulroney in the
1980s is forever a Marxist homosexual. Only right wing thinkers
like me know reality, Athiests like you are socialists God and one day
will be destroyed by his wrath.

I bet that you use socialist health care and aren't allowed to carry a
handgun everywhere you go. That makes you a leftist pig.

[tj Frazir]

1971 law stops the manipulation of waether with nuke test.
200,000 die a year from fallout still.
NO WOUNDER THE LIEING FUCKING GOD DAMB GOV NEADS CO2 TO BLAIM FALLOUT
DAMAGES ON.

genocide to controle the population is setting off nukes as test so the
silent fallout kills lots of people.

CO2 Mothefuckes dont even own a co2 meter much less do ANY fucking
math

http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA

[tj Frazir]

fallout can melt the poles heat the planet and kill 200,000 a year in
usa.
not co2

http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA

[tj Frazir]

i want you to die for the people you killed with your fallout and GW
lies.

http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA

[tj Frazir]

die motherfucker.
Yull die of cancer from the fallout you ingested from the nukes they
tested.
GW covers up the fallout damage the gov wount let the media talk about
ever.
Because it was PLANED as population controle and waether manipulation.

IN 1971 we TOLD YOU IT WOULD HEAT THE PLANET AND MELT THE POLES an the
gov knew that it would kill allot of people too.
40,000 times the nukes dropped on japan fell on nevada.

so ficking die SAM...

http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA

[AGWFacts]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:31:48 -0500, Sam Wormley
<swor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wake up call for climate science deniers.

As long as the best money comes from denialism, they will never
wake up.

[AGWFacts]

Idiot.

[AGWFacts]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:34:37 -0500, Rich <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> That Peak Oil didn't happen in 1980, like the kooks predicted?

Standard Oil are "kooks?"

[Sam Wormley]

On 3/26/12 5:28 PM, BJA...@teranews.com wrote:

>
> And from you holocultists? Not a peep. Obviously it's only about money
> (taxes) and not about stopping the rape of the planet. Just HOW much CO2
> absorption capacity has been LOST due to deforestation over time? I'm
> betting is CLOSE to the increase in atmospheric CO2 we are measuring.
>
> But guess what? The SAME power elite including the World Bank etc. who
> have been raking in billions by plundering the planet are the SAME
> people pushing hard on the so-called energy taxes to "save the planet"
> (from the actions THEY undertook).
>
> The irony here is immense!

Ben--You should wake up! Ocean acidification on track to be among
the worst of the last 300 million years
> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could-become-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars

Ben! wake up and smell the hydrogen sulfide!

[Barbarian Mutual]

On Mar 26, 4:20 pm, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@1800reaklity.com> wrote:
>
> Also non-paranoid non-hysterical non-denialists will wish to check
> out this

1979 - President Jimmy Carter Installs 1st White House Solar Panels -
President Jimmy Carter installed 32 solar panels on the presidential
mansion amid the Arab oil embargo, which had caused a national energy
crisis.

1981 - President Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, and one of his
first moves was to order the solar panels removed. It was clear Reagan
had a completely different take on energy consumption.

2010 - President Barack Obama, who made environmental issues a focus
of his presidency, planned to install solar panels on the White House
by spring of 2011. He also announced he will also install a solar hot
water heater on top of the living quarters at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

"By installing solar panels on arguably the most famous house in the
country, his residence, the president is underscoring that commitment
to lead and the promise and importance of renewable energy in the
United States," said Nancy Sutley, chairwoman of the White House
Council on Environmental Quality.

Administration officials said they expected the photovoltaic system
will convert sunlight into 19,700 kilowatt hours of electricity a
year.

-- http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/tp/History-of-White-House-Solar-Panels.htm