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Math analysis of two songs, Sondheim's Send in the Clowns and Joni Mitchell's Both Sides, Now. Was one stolen from the other???? 0 views Subscribe Archimedes Plutonium's profile photo Archimedes Plutonium<plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> 6:46 PM (now
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Math analysis of two songs, Sondheim's Send in the Clowns and Joni Mitchell's Both Sides, Now. Was one stolen from the other????
So there I was yesterday, hearing the news that Stephen Sondheim the composer had died at age 91 and his beautiful Send in the Clowns music piece aired on tv.
And so I thought, well, I remember Joan Baez did a lovely rendition and was looking that up, but only Judy Collins comes in search hits. Hit after hit after hit is Judy Collins, never a Joan Baez. So I thought to myself, am I getting to the age in which I cannot remember who did what, outside of science? Are the microplastics building up so bad in my body, that soon I will have arthritis of the knees and the brain-- called Alzheimers, for Alzheimers is arthritis of the brain, and I suspect due to microplastic build up in the brain.
So I went to bed disappointed in not hearing Joan Baez sing Send in the Clowns. Although I did listen to Frank Sinatra sing it. And as a youth, a teenager in the 1960s and beyond I had a low opinion of Frank Sinatra because it sounded to me as though Frank was just talking and not singing. Perhaps later on when rappers come on the scene in the 1990s, all the rappers owe their debt of gratitude to Frank Sinatra as the worlds first and most beautiful rapp singer of alltime. When listening to Frank, you never have to worry about asking your friends "what, what was that word".
And so in old age now, I am immensely appreciative of Frank's voice and if I had been a singer, I think if I had a voice not as good as Pavarotti, I would chose Frank Sinatra.
But getting back to Send in the Clowns, I woke up the next day and to my surprise, a memory came back to the tune of Both Sides, Now, a song about clouds.
And then my memory clicked. I was confused because those two songs melodies sounded almost alike, only change the lyrics.
Then I looked to see if Joan Baez sung Both Sides, Now. It is uncertain if she did, for you are swamped with Judy Collins and Joni Mitchell, drowning deep in search hits with the two "J's".
In the years that Baez, Collins and Mitchell were born, across the world mothers had a fixation on the letter "J" something having to do with Chinese culture of the year of the dragon or year or the year of carrier pigeon or year of the rat, that this was the year of naming your girl child starting with the letter J. If you did not name your girl child with a starting letter "J" you were banished to the suburbs lifestyle.
And making it difficult for scientists such as AP, the King of Science who wants to read and learn these social facts and forget them 5 minutes later.
So, well, the only thing of value here for the King of Science, other than a little appreciation of music, some music, is the question of whether the two melodies are the same, where one was stolen from the other.
So I looked to see the date on the Sondheim Send in the Clowns and found it to be the 1970s while Both Sides Now is 1960s.
So I wonder if Sondheim stole the melody from Mitchell and just changed clowns for clouds.
So can someone more skilled in music than me, which is most of the people, for the King has more important concerns, can someone dig down deep and see if Send in the Clowns and Both Sides Now, basically have the same melody.
Not that I care all that much, for time away from physics, is idle leisure vacation time for the King of Science, but in answer to whether my mind is tricked and fooled into thinking these were very much different songs.
P.S. There is a similar situation with the Righteous Brothers two songs of Lost that Loving Feeling and the song Soul and Inspiration, for if you analyze those two songs, you come to realize the same melody but different words.
AP, thanks in advance
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Math analysis of two songs, Sondheim's Send in the Clowns and Joni Mitchell's Both Sides, Now. Was one stolen from the other????
So there I was yesterday, hearing the news that Stephen Sondheim the composer had died at age 91 and his beautiful Send in the Clowns music piece aired on tv.
And so I thought, well, I remember Joan Baez did a lovely rendition and was looking that up, but only Judy Collins comes in search hits. Hit after hit after hit is Judy Collins, never a Joan Baez. So I thought to myself, am I getting to the age in which I cannot remember who did what, outside of science? Are the microplastics building up so bad in my body, that soon I will have arthritis of the knees and the brain-- called Alzheimers, for Alzheimers is arthritis of the brain, and I suspect due to microplastic build up in the brain.
So I went to bed disappointed in not hearing Joan Baez sing Send in the Clowns. Although I did listen to Frank Sinatra sing it. And as a youth, a teenager in the 1960s and beyond I had a low opinion of Frank Sinatra because it sounded to me as though Frank was just talking and not singing. Perhaps later on when rappers come on the scene in the 1990s, all the rappers owe their debt of gratitude to Frank Sinatra as the worlds first and most beautiful rapp singer of alltime. When listening to Frank, you never have to worry about asking your friends "what, what was that word".
And so in old age now, I am immensely appreciative of Frank's voice and if I had been a singer, I think if I had a voice not as good as Pavarotti, I would chose Frank Sinatra.
But getting back to Send in the Clowns, I woke up the next day and to my surprise, a memory came back to the tune of Both Sides, Now, a song about clouds.
And then my memory clicked. I was confused because those two songs melodies sounded almost alike, only change the lyrics.
Then I looked to see if Joan Baez sung Both Sides, Now. It is uncertain if she did, for you are swamped with Judy Collins and Joni Mitchell, drowning deep in search hits with the two "J's".
In the years that Baez, Collins and Mitchell were born, across the world mothers had a fixation on the letter "J" something having to do with Chinese culture of the year of the dragon or year or the year of carrier pigeon or year of the rat, that this was the year of naming your girl child starting with the letter J. If you did not name your girl child with a starting letter "J" you were banished to the suburbs lifestyle.
And making it difficult for scientists such as AP, the King of Science who wants to read and learn these social facts and forget them 5 minutes later.
So, well, the only thing of value here for the King of Science, other than a little appreciation of music, some music, is the question of whether the two melodies are the same, where one was stolen from the other.
So I looked to see the date on the Sondheim Send in the Clowns and found it to be the 1970s while Both Sides Now is 1960s.
So I wonder if Sondheim stole the melody from Mitchell and just changed clowns for clouds.
So can someone more skilled in music than me, which is most of the people, for the King has more important concerns, can someone dig down deep and see if Send in the Clowns and Both Sides Now, basically have the same melody.
Not that I care all that much, for time away from physics, is idle leisure vacation time for the King of Science, but in answer to whether my mind is tricked and fooled into thinking these were very much different songs.
P.S. There is a similar situation with the Righteous Brothers two songs of Lost that Loving Feeling and the song Soul and Inspiration, for if you analyze those two songs, you come to realize the same melody but different words.
AP, thanks in advance
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