The Coordinate "Virus"
Perspicacious
"virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
for years.
http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Dirk Van de moortel
"Perspicacious" <iperspi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1125696411.4...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
> for years.
That's what they all have been doing in the park:
http://david.scacc.org/preacherp.html
Exercise: find Eugene Shubert
Dirk Vdm
>
> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Sam Wormley
> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
> "virus" that must be overcome.
Shubert will never understand relativity. Pity really!
Pyriform
> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
> for years.
You've been saying it for years, and nobody is any more interested now
than when you started. That is the measure of your success.
John Thingstad
Interesting. It seems like a carefully thought out exposition.
I found it a bit difficult to follow the exposition at xxx.lanl.gov
as I don't have the neccesary background in advanced linear algebra.
Vector grade, bivector and multivector are all new to me.
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on Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:28:28 GMT
<we5Se.305381$x96.167657@attbi_s72>:
He's partially right, in that it's not a contraction or
a dialation -- it's a *twist*, leading to some odd
but measurable effects.
Light frequency ratio: sqrt(1-v/c) / sqrt(1+v/c)
Moving unit rod measurement by overtravel: sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
Radar gun ratio: (1-v/c) / (1+v/c)
Measured mass gain: 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
(The muon storage ring is more properly a GR artifact, as the
muon is in a rotating coordinate system and experiences
an acceleration continuously.)
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Bilge
>"virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
>for years.
Bilge
><iperspi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
>> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
>> for years.
>>
>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
>> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
>>
>
>Interesting. It seems like a carefully thought out exposition.
>I found it a bit difficult to follow the exposition at xxx.lanl.gov
>as I don't have the neccesary background in advanced linear algebra.
>Vector grade, bivector and multivector are all new to me.
I'd suggest pertti lounesto's book on clifford algebras and
just ignoring eugene's personal ideas of those things.
Perspicacious
> Perspicacious:
>> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
>> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
>> for years.
>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
>> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
> That only proves that you're immune to education.
I, of course, have never used that phrase. I was joking.
There is a humorous lesson here. I was comparing Shubert's
masterful exposé on special relativity with that highly
esteemed paper that made it into the arXiv.
I do wonder however if http://www.crank.net/ will be indexing
http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf as
cranky, just for containing unconventional language. Isn't
that the way most physicists evaluate research papers in
physics?
Prai Jei
<1125756787....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> Rage Bilge wrote:
>> Perspicacious:
>>> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
>>> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
>>> for years.
>
>>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
>>> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
>
>> That only proves that you're immune to education.
>
> I, of course, have never used that phrase. I was joking.
> There is a humorous lesson here. I was comparing Shubert's
> masterful exposé on special relativity with that highly
> esteemed paper that made it into the arXiv.
Perhaps you had better check - that masterful exposé may be "unfinished" :)
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Dirk Van de moortel
"Perspicacious" <iperspi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1125756787....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Rage Bilge wrote:
> > Perspicacious:
> >> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
> >> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
> >> for years.
>
> >> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
> >> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
>
> > That only proves that you're immune to education.
>
> I, of course, have never used that phrase. I was joking.
> There is a humorous lesson here. I was comparing Shubert's
> masterful exposé on special relativity with that highly
> esteemed paper that made it into the arXiv.
You are Eugene Shubert.
Thinking that you could get away with this proves that
you are even more than a complete idiot :-)
Dirk Vdm
Bilge
>Rage Bilge wrote:
>> Perspicacious:
>>> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
>>> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
>>> for years.
>
>>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
>>> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
>
>> That only proves that you're immune to education.
>
>I, of course, have never used that phrase. I was joking.
>There is a humorous lesson here. I was comparing Shubert's
>masterful expos=E9 on special relativity with that highly
>esteemed paper that made it into the arXiv.
>
>I do wonder however if http://www.crank.net/ will be indexing
>http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf as
>cranky, just for containing unconventional language.
Hard to say, but I submitted your site to crank.net, so with
any luck, they'll index your stuff.
>Isn't that the way most physicists evaluate research papers in=20
>physics?
Most physicists evaluate research papers by reading the papers.
That's how you you earned distinction asa crackpot.
Bilge
>"Perspicacious" <iperspi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1125756787....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Rage Bilge wrote:
>> > Perspicacious:
>> >> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
>> >> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
>> >> for years.
>>
>> >> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
>> >> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
>>
>> > That only proves that you're immune to education.
>>
>> I, of course, have never used that phrase. I was joking.
>> There is a humorous lesson here. I was comparing Shubert's
>> masterful exposé on special relativity with that highly
>> esteemed paper that made it into the arXiv.
>
>You are Eugene Shubert.
>Thinking that you could get away with this proves that
>you are even more than a complete idiot :-)
Fortunately, those kinds of errors in judgement are a good indicator
of just how out-of-touch he is with reality. It's always convenient when
someone is obliging enough to hand over his head on platter rather than
forcing people to search google to reference the evidence.
Perspicacious
> Most physicists evaluate research papers by reading the papers.
> That's how you you earned distinction asa crackpot.
Physicists thought that they have evaluated Shubert's paper
with logic and reason but then got their butts kicked by the
mathematicians at sci.math:
http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?p=3466#3466
Bill Hobba thinks he's a physicist at the graduate level.
I am very to happy to share an excellent rebuttal to his
superficial thinking:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/bc895a7459381e94
As I recall, you have endorsed the now fully discredited
complaints by Tom Roberts and Bill Hobba. Have you abandoned
your previous endorsement of their misguided arguments or do
you still believe that their arguments are valid?
> Bill Hobba wrote:
> > "Perspicacious" wrote:
> > The clearest and deepest understanding of SR is given here:
> > http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
>
> A note to the original poster. ...He purports to derive SR
> from the Galilean transformations - which is not possible
> because the Galilean transformations are the same as the
> Lorentz transformations with an infinite c - a quantity
> can not be finite and infinite at the same time.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
It's easy to understand how superficial thinkers and
unthinking trolls could jump to your conclusion. Shubert
has discovered two very insightful derivations of the
Lorentz transformation. In his first derivation, Shubert
derives the Lorentz transformation logically from the
equations x'=x-uT and T'=T. This might seem remarkable
to the shallow and ignorant who don't understand Shubert's
paper and to those who haven't read Shubert's references.
Consider this support:
Richard J. Cook wrote the following in Physical Time and
Physical Space in General Relativity, Am. J. Phys. 72 (2),
February 2004:
"I often start my lecture on the meaning of the line
element in general relativity (GR) with the provocative
statement, 'In general relativity the Galilean transformation
of classical mechanics is just as valid as the Lorentz
transformation of special relativity, because all space-time
coordinate transformations are equally valid in general
relativity' (the democracy of coordinate systems)."
The only thing Shubert has done in his first derivation
is to interpret the equations x'=x-uT and T'=T in a general
relativistic context for special relativity. There is nothing
truly amazing or contradictory in Shubert's paper unless
you're a bigoted amateur or an ignorant troll.
Bilge
>Bilge wrote:
>> Most physicists evaluate research papers by reading the papers.
>> That's how you you earned distinction asa crackpot.
>
>Physicists thought that they have evaluated Shubert's paper
when you fabricated support without the aid of a sock puppet. But
you must have snapped completely to cross post a self-aggrandizing
fantasy, filed with fabrications under the delusion that anyone is
dumb enough to believe your sock puppet is a real person who just
happens to have the same narcissistic user name you've been using.
If you can't afford a psychiatrist, try your local MHMR center.
Whatever you do, don't buy any firearms or anything else that
would be frowned upon by the malls and mcdonalds in your area.
Perspicacious
> you fabricated support ...
Is there a claim that your deluded mind refuses
to believe that you would like me to verify for
you out of the goggle archives?
Bilge
Yeah. Verify all the claims that you're an idiot.
Tom Robbins
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:26:51 +0200, Perspicacious
> <iperspi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Length contraction and time dilation is a coordinate
>> "virus" that must be overcome. I've been saying that
>> for years.
>>
>> http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508225.pdf
>> http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
>>
>
> Interesting. It seems like a carefully thought out exposition.
> I found it a bit difficult to follow the exposition at xxx.lanl.gov
> as I don't have the neccesary background in advanced linear algebra.
> Vector grade, bivector and multivector are all new to me.
>
I found it a bit waffly, and the tone a little bit patronising.
That said, it was quite good. Some nice concepts in there that you can
use to explain relativity to non-physicists.
Perspicacious
If you found any part of Shubert's paper evasive or vague, you might
want to search Shubert's tutorial on that paper for a more detailed
explanation.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?p=4305#4305