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Einstein's inspiration for GR was born while visiting a casino.
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Richard Hertz
Sep 22, 2021, 2:14:36 PM9/22/21
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By June 1911, he published his paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light", where he used the Equivalence Principle on inertial and gravitational mass, and wrote several equations:
- d²z/dt² = g = G.M/r², so g.r = G.M/r = Φ (the gravitational potential related with vertical acceleration due to gravity).
E1 = E2 (1 + Φ/c²) for the reception of energy E1 on Earth surface of radiation E2, emitted from an height h.
But he couldn't get rid of Newton's theory of gravity while being in an euclidean
xyz space.
He had been advised, while in Prague, in 1912 the mathematician Georg
Pick, one of Einstein's colleagues there, to the use of the differential
calculus of Ricci and Levi-Civita to solve his mathematical difficulties.
But he rejected such advise as idiotic, until he went to a casino to play
roulette, and saw the spinning ball circling around the center of the
roulette. Then, in one of few neuronal synapses that he had in life, he
connected the few things that he had read about Riemann's geometry
with the little spinning ball at the roulette and had his Eureka moment:
IF, by using Riemannian geometry, I could emulate the space bending by
gravity IN THE WAY that the roulette does with this ball, then I could
replace forces by concavities in the space around a center and explain
planetary orbits without using forces, because the space would work
exactly as the roulette. It doesn't matter how the ball started to spin or
that the ball stop spinning after a while. In space, orbits are almost perennial.
Then he rushed to the other fucker telling him: "Marcel, help me or I'll go
crazy""! We have to model orbits around the Sun IN THIS WAY. You can
do it. After all you studied this shit that I despised while in college.
And Marcel, thinking about fame and glory, wrote ENTIRELY the math
of the 1913 Entwurf. History was in the making.
- d²z/dt² = g = G.M/r², so g.r = G.M/r = Φ (the gravitational potential related with vertical acceleration due to gravity).
E1 = E2 (1 + Φ/c²) for the reception of energy E1 on Earth surface of radiation E2, emitted from an height h.
But he couldn't get rid of Newton's theory of gravity while being in an euclidean
xyz space.
He had been advised, while in Prague, in 1912 the mathematician Georg
Pick, one of Einstein's colleagues there, to the use of the differential
calculus of Ricci and Levi-Civita to solve his mathematical difficulties.
But he rejected such advise as idiotic, until he went to a casino to play
roulette, and saw the spinning ball circling around the center of the
roulette. Then, in one of few neuronal synapses that he had in life, he
connected the few things that he had read about Riemann's geometry
with the little spinning ball at the roulette and had his Eureka moment:
IF, by using Riemannian geometry, I could emulate the space bending by
gravity IN THE WAY that the roulette does with this ball, then I could
replace forces by concavities in the space around a center and explain
planetary orbits without using forces, because the space would work
exactly as the roulette. It doesn't matter how the ball started to spin or
that the ball stop spinning after a while. In space, orbits are almost perennial.
Then he rushed to the other fucker telling him: "Marcel, help me or I'll go
crazy""! We have to model orbits around the Sun IN THIS WAY. You can
do it. After all you studied this shit that I despised while in college.
And Marcel, thinking about fame and glory, wrote ENTIRELY the math
of the 1913 Entwurf. History was in the making.
Dono.
Sep 22, 2021, 4:19:16 PM9/22/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 11:14:36 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>snip garbage spewed by imbecile Richard Hertz<
Eat your heart out, scumbag.
>snip garbage spewed by imbecile Richard Hertz<
Eat your heart out, scumbag.
Richard Hertz
Sep 22, 2021, 5:46:55 PM9/22/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 5:19:16 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
<snip hate speech>
The 1913 Entwurf document is available here:
https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol4-trans/163#
Outline of a Generalized Theory of Relativity and of a Theory of Gravitation
I. Physical Part by Albert Einstein
II. MATHEMATICAL Part by Marcel Grossmann
[Teubner, Leipzig, 1913]
Now what, are you going to write a hate speech against Princeton?
Shove this deep into your .........
<snip hate speech>
>
> Eat your heart out, scumbag.
Reptilian lifeform, refute this, fucking son of an egg:
> Eat your heart out, scumbag.
The 1913 Entwurf document is available here:
https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol4-trans/163#
Outline of a Generalized Theory of Relativity and of a Theory of Gravitation
I. Physical Part by Albert Einstein
II. MATHEMATICAL Part by Marcel Grossmann
[Teubner, Leipzig, 1913]
Now what, are you going to write a hate speech against Princeton?
Shove this deep into your .........
Dono.
Sep 22, 2021, 6:58:51 PM9/22/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 5:19:16 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
>
> <snip hate speech>
> >
> > Eat your heart out, scumbag.
>
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 5:19:16 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
>
> <snip hate speech>
> >
> > Eat your heart out, scumbag.
>
> The 1913 Entwurf document is available here:
> https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol4-trans/163#
>
Says nothing about any casino, demented old fart. Keep frothing at the mouth.
> https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol4-trans/163#
>
Richard Hertz
Sep 22, 2021, 7:14:41 PM9/22/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:58:51 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
<snip hate speech>
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > The 1913 Entwurf document is available here:
> > https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol4-trans/163#
> Says nothing about any casino, demented old fart. Keep frothing at the mouth.
Of course it says nothing about any casino, imbecile!
I just made it up and, seriously, thought it was a valid analogy as well as a sarcastic comment!
Can't believe that you are such a naive yet hateful piece of shit!
Now, think again about the OP, eliminate any insult and take the central idea. Is it absurd?
Idiot³ !!
Dono.
Sep 22, 2021, 7:19:02 PM9/22/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 4:14:41 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> I just made it up and,
.....obviously, as part of your nazi propaganda, odious kapo.
> I just made it up and,
Sylvia Else
Sep 22, 2021, 7:42:41 PM9/22/21
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Richard Hertz continues his attempted character assassination, while
completely missing the point.
The point being that GR remains correct regardless.
Sylvia.
completely missing the point.
The point being that GR remains correct regardless.
Sylvia.
Paul Alsing
Sep 22, 2021, 8:24:32 PM9/22/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 4:14:41 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> I just made it up...
Of course you did, just like you always do...
> I just made it up...
Of course you did, just like you always do...
Richard Hertz
Sep 22, 2021, 10:48:07 PM9/22/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 8:42:41 PM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology, like Gerber's
theory about the speed of gravity.
The domain of GR falls apart beyond Venus, and I'm being generous.
Grossman was LUCKY to find ONE SINGLE USE IN PHYSICS for the Ricci tensor,
which has the curious property of being based on double derivatives of a single
point in a riemanian surface, which is EXACTLY what Eintein and him were looking
for to represent ACCELERATION.
General Relativity is the ONLY theory in physics that used Ricci curvature tensor, as
no other application has been found since Gregorio Ricci-Curbastro developed
tensor theory with Levi-Civita and others by 1880. Einstein wrote a thanks letter
to a nephew of Ricci. Check it at this two links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorio_Ricci-Curbastro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_curvature
GR can't explain, as it was conceived originally, the Einstein's "universe", as the Milky
Way thought it was, in that epoch. 10 years later (after Hubble) or 15 years later
(after Le Maitre), it would have been plainly rejected as useless.
Today, cosmologists are fighting between them to find what new modification they
have to introduce to GR (now not recognizable, after 100 years of patches), while
Newton's theory of gravitation (and his patches) are still useful to model such "world",
explaining several mega-phenomena that GR can't.
GR can't even explain Halley's comet behavior and his period of 75 years, while Newton's
theory can explain it with an error of +/- 1 day in 76 years (a 36 ppm error).
And stop with the "character assassination" attempt to define my attitude toward him.
For me, he was a dishonest charlatan and racist, who mocked at Argentina and my countrymen
when he came here to EAT and be treated as a King for 1 month in 1925. For him, we and
brazilians were not more than MONKEYS or MINUTE PERSONS, as he wrote in letters sent
from here. But the bastard didn't rejected to visit 6 cities, where people cheered him, ate our
ASADO, enjoyed our concerts (he was even invited to form part of an assemble), etc, etc.
Some thing did with China and India, in a previous 6 months travel around the world, but didn't
say A SINGLE DEROGATORY WORD about Japan, where there was not a single jewish organization
there (even not a single jewish living at the most racist country in the world by then).
Why, because the racism of japanese about intellectual superiority upon others was shared by him.
Japan was in the way of 100% occidentalization by 1921, movement which started 50 years before
when Japan started to sent students to the "most technically advanced country" by 1870 and it was
Germany. Japanese physicists started to contribute to modern physics by late XIX century, even
anticipating Germany, UK and France in subjects like models of atoms, behavior of electrons,
radioactivity and other topics while China didn't adopt such position until 100 years later.
AND the model of a roulette is a valid analogy for orbitals, if you all think without hate. Very valid, but
requires IMAGINATION, which you show to lack.
No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology, like Gerber's
theory about the speed of gravity.
The domain of GR falls apart beyond Venus, and I'm being generous.
Grossman was LUCKY to find ONE SINGLE USE IN PHYSICS for the Ricci tensor,
which has the curious property of being based on double derivatives of a single
point in a riemanian surface, which is EXACTLY what Eintein and him were looking
for to represent ACCELERATION.
General Relativity is the ONLY theory in physics that used Ricci curvature tensor, as
no other application has been found since Gregorio Ricci-Curbastro developed
tensor theory with Levi-Civita and others by 1880. Einstein wrote a thanks letter
to a nephew of Ricci. Check it at this two links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorio_Ricci-Curbastro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_curvature
GR can't explain, as it was conceived originally, the Einstein's "universe", as the Milky
Way thought it was, in that epoch. 10 years later (after Hubble) or 15 years later
(after Le Maitre), it would have been plainly rejected as useless.
Today, cosmologists are fighting between them to find what new modification they
have to introduce to GR (now not recognizable, after 100 years of patches), while
Newton's theory of gravitation (and his patches) are still useful to model such "world",
explaining several mega-phenomena that GR can't.
GR can't even explain Halley's comet behavior and his period of 75 years, while Newton's
theory can explain it with an error of +/- 1 day in 76 years (a 36 ppm error).
And stop with the "character assassination" attempt to define my attitude toward him.
For me, he was a dishonest charlatan and racist, who mocked at Argentina and my countrymen
when he came here to EAT and be treated as a King for 1 month in 1925. For him, we and
brazilians were not more than MONKEYS or MINUTE PERSONS, as he wrote in letters sent
from here. But the bastard didn't rejected to visit 6 cities, where people cheered him, ate our
ASADO, enjoyed our concerts (he was even invited to form part of an assemble), etc, etc.
Some thing did with China and India, in a previous 6 months travel around the world, but didn't
say A SINGLE DEROGATORY WORD about Japan, where there was not a single jewish organization
there (even not a single jewish living at the most racist country in the world by then).
Why, because the racism of japanese about intellectual superiority upon others was shared by him.
Japan was in the way of 100% occidentalization by 1921, movement which started 50 years before
when Japan started to sent students to the "most technically advanced country" by 1870 and it was
Germany. Japanese physicists started to contribute to modern physics by late XIX century, even
anticipating Germany, UK and France in subjects like models of atoms, behavior of electrons,
radioactivity and other topics while China didn't adopt such position until 100 years later.
AND the model of a roulette is a valid analogy for orbitals, if you all think without hate. Very valid, but
requires IMAGINATION, which you show to lack.
Richard Hertz
Sep 23, 2021, 12:04:38 AM9/23/21
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And, IF I'm so wrong about a search of a mathematical theory based on second derivatives of a spatial term,
tell me how Einstein went from this (1911):
"On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light"
- d²z/dt² = g = G.M/r², so g.r = G.M/r = Φ(r)
- d²z/dt² = G.M/r = Φ(r) (apply this in an sphere like ideal Earth for differential gravitational potential (dr layer after dr layer)
NOTE: REMEMBER THE SECOND DERIVATIVE OF z.
To this (1913 Entwurf), a mathematical development done by Grossman (Einstein did the physical part):
Rᵤᵥ = 0 , for an space void of matter and energy, where:
Rᵤᵥ = ∂ᵢ Γⁱᵤᵥ - ∂ᵤ Γⁱᵥᵢ + Γⁱᵢᵣ Γʳᵤᵥ - Γⁱᵤᵣ Γʳᵢᵥ , Ricci curvature tensor AND
Γᵛᵢᵤ = 1/2 gᵛˣ (∂ᵢ gᵤₓ + ∂ᵥ gᵢₓ - ∂ₓ gᵢᵤ) , Christoffel symbols
BEING
gᵤᵥ =gᵥᵤ , the metric tensor and can be represented by a 4 x 4 matrix (gᵘᵛ) for u,v = 0,1,2,3, such that the metric
determines the invariant square of an infinitesimal line element ds, often referred to as an interval, being
ds² = gᵤᵥ dxᵘ dxᵛ, for u,v = 0,1,2,3.
I quote from here: History of Einstein’s General Relativity: Conceptual Development of the Theory (Patrick Girard)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Christoffel's notion of a covariant derivative was used by Gregorio Ricci-Curbastro to develop what he called the
"absolute differential calculus. " Together with Tullio Levi-Civita, he published a comprehensive memoir in which
they developed various applications (analytical, geometrical, mechanical, and physical) of the tensor calculus.
The considerations of Christoffel and those of Ricci and Levi-Civita must be seen within the context of the
researches done in the mathematical field of invariant theory associated with a quadratic differential form
which was an active field around the turn of the century. Thus Marcel Grossmann was naturally aware of it."
.....................
"Thus, at the end of 1912, guided by Grossmann, Einstein knew that the invariant for the equation of motion was of
the form ds² = gᵤᵥ dxᵘ dxᵛ and that the gᵤᵥ could be interpreted as the metric of a Riemannian space."
.................
"In the addendum, Einstein showed that the equation of motion of a free particle in a static gravitational field can be
expressed in the following simple form (NOTE: As an expression of the motion of a free particle in SR):
δ . ( ∫ √(c².dt² - dx² - dy² - dz²)) = 0
where c is a function of the spatial coordinates."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And now, compare the above equations with Ricci curvature tensor in the section "Definition via local
coordinates on a smooth manifold", using n = 4, at this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_curvature
Excerpts:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The Ricci tensor can be characterized by measurement of how a shape is deformed as one moves along geodesics
in the space. In general relativity, which involves the pseudo-Riemannian setting, this is reflected by the presence of
the Ricci tensor in the Raychaudhuri equation. Partly for this reason, the Einstein field equations propose that spacetime
can be described by a pseudo-Riemannian metric, with a strikingly simple relationship between the Ricci tensor and the
matter content of the universe."
...............
"Like the metric tensor, the Ricci tensor assigns to each tangent space of the manifold a symmetric bilinear form (Besse
1987, p. 43).[1] Broadly, one could analogize the role of the Ricci curvature in Riemannian geometry to that of the Laplacian
in the analysis of functions; in this analogy, the Riemann curvature tensor, of which the Ricci curvature is a natural by-product,
would correspond to the full matrix of SECOND DERIVATIVES OF A FUNCTION."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
tell me how Einstein went from this (1911):
"On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light"
- d²z/dt² = G.M/r = Φ(r) (apply this in an sphere like ideal Earth for differential gravitational potential (dr layer after dr layer)
NOTE: REMEMBER THE SECOND DERIVATIVE OF z.
To this (1913 Entwurf), a mathematical development done by Grossman (Einstein did the physical part):
Rᵤᵥ = 0 , for an space void of matter and energy, where:
Rᵤᵥ = ∂ᵢ Γⁱᵤᵥ - ∂ᵤ Γⁱᵥᵢ + Γⁱᵢᵣ Γʳᵤᵥ - Γⁱᵤᵣ Γʳᵢᵥ , Ricci curvature tensor AND
Γᵛᵢᵤ = 1/2 gᵛˣ (∂ᵢ gᵤₓ + ∂ᵥ gᵢₓ - ∂ₓ gᵢᵤ) , Christoffel symbols
BEING
gᵤᵥ =gᵥᵤ , the metric tensor and can be represented by a 4 x 4 matrix (gᵘᵛ) for u,v = 0,1,2,3, such that the metric
determines the invariant square of an infinitesimal line element ds, often referred to as an interval, being
ds² = gᵤᵥ dxᵘ dxᵛ, for u,v = 0,1,2,3.
I quote from here: History of Einstein’s General Relativity: Conceptual Development of the Theory (Patrick Girard)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Christoffel's notion of a covariant derivative was used by Gregorio Ricci-Curbastro to develop what he called the
"absolute differential calculus. " Together with Tullio Levi-Civita, he published a comprehensive memoir in which
they developed various applications (analytical, geometrical, mechanical, and physical) of the tensor calculus.
The considerations of Christoffel and those of Ricci and Levi-Civita must be seen within the context of the
researches done in the mathematical field of invariant theory associated with a quadratic differential form
which was an active field around the turn of the century. Thus Marcel Grossmann was naturally aware of it."
.....................
"Thus, at the end of 1912, guided by Grossmann, Einstein knew that the invariant for the equation of motion was of
the form ds² = gᵤᵥ dxᵘ dxᵛ and that the gᵤᵥ could be interpreted as the metric of a Riemannian space."
.................
"In the addendum, Einstein showed that the equation of motion of a free particle in a static gravitational field can be
expressed in the following simple form (NOTE: As an expression of the motion of a free particle in SR):
δ . ( ∫ √(c².dt² - dx² - dy² - dz²)) = 0
where c is a function of the spatial coordinates."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And now, compare the above equations with Ricci curvature tensor in the section "Definition via local
coordinates on a smooth manifold", using n = 4, at this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_curvature
Excerpts:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The Ricci tensor can be characterized by measurement of how a shape is deformed as one moves along geodesics
in the space. In general relativity, which involves the pseudo-Riemannian setting, this is reflected by the presence of
the Ricci tensor in the Raychaudhuri equation. Partly for this reason, the Einstein field equations propose that spacetime
can be described by a pseudo-Riemannian metric, with a strikingly simple relationship between the Ricci tensor and the
matter content of the universe."
...............
"Like the metric tensor, the Ricci tensor assigns to each tangent space of the manifold a symmetric bilinear form (Besse
1987, p. 43).[1] Broadly, one could analogize the role of the Ricci curvature in Riemannian geometry to that of the Laplacian
in the analysis of functions; in this analogy, the Riemann curvature tensor, of which the Ricci curvature is a natural by-product,
would correspond to the full matrix of SECOND DERIVATIVES OF A FUNCTION."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dono.
Sep 23, 2021, 1:03:41 AM9/23/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:48:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> snip garbage<
You see, Dick, no matter how much venom you spew from the lunatic asylum where you are an inpatient, Einstein remains the greatest physicist of all times while you, Richard Hertz, remain a disgusting piece of shit.
> snip garbage<
You see, Dick, no matter how much venom you spew from the lunatic asylum where you are an inpatient, Einstein remains the greatest physicist of all times while you, Richard Hertz, remain a disgusting piece of shit.
Maciej Wozniak
Sep 23, 2021, 1:04:57 AM9/23/21
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On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 07:03:41 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:48:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > snip garbage<
>
> You see, Dick, no matter how much venom you spew from the lunatic asylum where you are an inpatient, Einstein remains the greatest physicist of all times while
while in the real world the clocks of GPS keep indicating
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:48:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > snip garbage<
>
> You see, Dick, no matter how much venom you spew from the lunatic asylum where you are an inpatient, Einstein remains the greatest physicist of all times while
t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.
Michael Moroney
Sep 23, 2021, 1:32:01 AM9/23/21
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On 9/22/2021 10:48 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 8:42:41 PM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>> [The point being that GR remains correct regardless.]
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 8:42:41 PM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>
> No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology, like Gerber's
> theory about the speed of gravity.
Nope. GR remains correct, with many other verifications, mostly related
> No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology, like Gerber's
> theory about the speed of gravity.
to neutron stars/black holes/pulsars where there is extreme gravity.
It wouldn't matter if Hitler or Stalin themselves discovered SR and GR.
They would *still* be correct. (Getting people to adopt them may be
troublesome but that doesn't affect their correctness within their domains)
>
> The domain of GR falls apart beyond Venus, and I'm being generous.
Nope. Venus' orbit is nearly circular so the GR effects on its orbit
> The domain of GR falls apart beyond Venus, and I'm being generous.
are much smaller than on Mercury's rather elliptical orbit. In
addition, Venus is farther from the sun, so not as deep in the Sun's
gravity well, so that decreases precession even more. Earth and beyond
are even further out but with a more elliptical orbit.
> Today, cosmologists are fighting between them to find what new modification they
> have to introduce to GR (now not recognizable, after 100 years of patches), while
> Newton's theory of gravitation (and his patches) are still useful to model such "world",
> explaining several mega-phenomena that GR can't.
theory cannot.
>
> GR can't even explain Halley's comet behavior and his period of 75 years, while Newton's
> theory can explain it with an error of +/- 1 day in 76 years (a 36 ppm error).
Really? Reference? I'm sure you misinterpreted something, just like
> GR can't even explain Halley's comet behavior and his period of 75 years, while Newton's
> theory can explain it with an error of +/- 1 day in 76 years (a 36 ppm error).
you always do.
>
> And stop with the "character assassination" attempt to define my attitude toward him.
It is you who attempt character assassination on Einstein. For example:
> And stop with the "character assassination" attempt to define my attitude toward him.
> For me, he was a dishonest charlatan and racist, who mocked at Argentina and my countrymen
> when he came here to EAT and be treated as a King for 1 month in 1925. For him, we and
> brazilians were not more than MONKEYS or MINUTE PERSONS, as he wrote in letters sent
> from here. But the bastard didn't rejected to visit 6 cities, where people cheered him, ate our
> ASADO, enjoyed our concerts (he was even invited to form part of an assemble), etc, etc.
>
> Some thing did with China and India, in a previous 6 months travel around the world, but didn't
> say A SINGLE DEROGATORY WORD about Japan, where there was not a single jewish organization
> there (even not a single jewish living at the most racist country in the world by then).
>
> Why, because the racism of japanese about intellectual superiority upon others was shared by him.
superiority belief by them due to racism would have excluded Einstein,
so why would he go along with that?
Maciej Wozniak
Sep 23, 2021, 1:37:06 AM9/23/21
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On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 07:32:01 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Such as....? It's the other way around, GR explains things Newton's
> theory cannot.
What a pity that GPS clocks keep indicating t'=t, just like all
> Such as....? It's the other way around, GR explains things Newton's
> theory cannot.
serious clocks always did.
JanPB
Sep 23, 2021, 4:50:53 AM9/23/21
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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:48:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 8:42:41 PM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
>
> No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology,
No. Not even anywhere near. GR is in fact a VERY restricted theory with
>
> No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology,
extremely tight constraints which make it pretty much into UNIQUE
possible *classical* theory of gravity. This aspect of GR was studied
quite a bit, I think Feynman has a good summary of this but I don't
have the reference.
> The domain of GR falls apart beyond Venus, and I'm being generous.
and no experimental refutation.
> Grossman was LUCKY to find ONE SINGLE USE IN PHYSICS for the Ricci tensor,
> which has the curious property of being based on double derivatives of a single
> point in a riemanian surface, which is EXACTLY what Eintein and him were looking
> for to represent ACCELERATION.
point in a riemanian surface" is gobbledygook?
> General Relativity is the ONLY theory in physics that used Ricci curvature tensor,
been used somewhere else at least once? What are you smoking?
> as no other application has been found since Gregorio Ricci-Curbastro developed
> tensor theory with Levi-Civita and others by 1880. Einstein wrote a thanks letter
> to a nephew of Ricci. Check it at this two links:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorio_Ricci-Curbastro
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_curvature
> GR can't explain, as it was conceived originally, the Einstein's "universe", as the Milky
> Way thought it was, in that epoch.
anything.
> 10 years later (after Hubble) or 15 years later
> (after Le Maitre), it would have been plainly rejected as useless.
psychiatric case.
> Today, cosmologists are fighting between them to find what new modification they
> have to introduce to GR (now not recognizable, after 100 years of patches),
with the quantum theory. The "dark matter" problem may be a consequence
of that, we'll see.
> while
> Newton's theory of gravitation (and his patches) are still useful to model such "world",
> explaining several mega-phenomena that GR can't.
of non-sequiturs and plain idiocies you can cram in one sentence?
> GR can't even explain Halley's comet behavior and his period of 75 years, while Newton's
> theory can explain it with an error of +/- 1 day in 76 years (a 36 ppm error).
> And stop with the "character assassination" attempt to define my attitude toward him.
of Einstein first. You started it, you pay the consequences.
> For me, he was a dishonest charlatan and racist,
> For him, we and
> brazilians were not more than MONKEYS or MINUTE PERSONS, as he wrote in letters sent
> from here. But the bastard didn't rejected to visit 6 cities, where people cheered him, ate our
> ASADO, enjoyed our concerts (he was even invited to form part of an assemble), etc, etc.
point to those letters? Given the fact that you distort literally *everything* of substance,
we need to see the actual letters.
> Some thing did with China and India, in a previous 6 months travel around the world, but didn't
> say A SINGLE DEROGATORY WORD about Japan, where there was not a single jewish organization
> there (even not a single jewish living at the most racist country in the world by then).
>
> Why, because the racism of japanese about intellectual superiority upon others was shared by him.
--
Jan
JanPB
Sep 23, 2021, 4:53:20 AM9/23/21
to
On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 9:04:38 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> And, IF I'm so wrong about a search of a mathematical theory based on second derivatives of a spatial term,
> tell me how Einstein went from this (1911):
[etc.][
> And, IF I'm so wrong about a search of a mathematical theory based on second derivatives of a spatial term,
> tell me how Einstein went from this (1911):
It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
It's all one big mush inside your head.
--
Jan
Maciej Wozniak
Sep 23, 2021, 5:00:09 AM9/23/21
to
On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 10:50:53 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:48:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 8:42:41 PM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >
> > No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology,
> No. Not even anywhere near. GR is in fact a VERY restricted theory with
> extremely tight constraints which make it pretty much into UNIQUE
> possible *classical* theory of gravity. This aspect of GR was studied
> quite a bit, I think Feynman has a good summary of this but I don't
> have the reference.
> > The domain of GR falls apart beyond Venus, and I'm being generous.
> No, it doesn't. In fact, besides dark matter, GR has not serious contender
> and no experimental refutation.
In the meantime in the real world, however, the clocks of
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:48:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 8:42:41 PM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >
> > No, Sylvia. Not correct, not even close. It's just lucky numerology,
> No. Not even anywhere near. GR is in fact a VERY restricted theory with
> extremely tight constraints which make it pretty much into UNIQUE
> possible *classical* theory of gravity. This aspect of GR was studied
> quite a bit, I think Feynman has a good summary of this but I don't
> have the reference.
> > The domain of GR falls apart beyond Venus, and I'm being generous.
> No, it doesn't. In fact, besides dark matter, GR has not serious contender
> and no experimental refutation.
GPS keep indicating t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.
Maciej Wozniak
Sep 23, 2021, 5:01:20 AM9/23/21
to
On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 10:53:20 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 9:04:38 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > And, IF I'm so wrong about a search of a mathematical theory based on second derivatives of a spatial term,
> > tell me how Einstein went from this (1911):
> [etc.][
>
> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
Speaking of mathematics, it's always good to remind that your bunch
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 9:04:38 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > And, IF I'm so wrong about a search of a mathematical theory based on second derivatives of a spatial term,
> > tell me how Einstein went from this (1911):
> [etc.][
>
> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
of idiots had to assume its oldest, very important and successful part
false - as it didn't want to fit your madness.
Richard Hertz
Sep 23, 2021, 1:12:52 PM9/23/21
to
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
<snip>
> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>
> --
> Jan
Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all). Not even Einstein,
the plagiarist did. The only ones involved in such mathematics were fvcked by Einstein:
Grossman, who was spat as an olive stone, and Hilbert, from whose kindness, genius and
naivety Einstein took advantage by plagiarizing and disguising Hilbert's work in Nov. 1915.
He also fvcked Besso, who was used as a mere assistant plus Levi-Civita, who tried to
teach him something.
Nobody could win dealing with the "Al Capone" of early XX century physics.
And about mushes in my head and your usual "you don't understand", those figures are only
your last resort of hope, because you CAN'T ACCEPT that I can manage tensorial theory without
being an asshole trying to justify GR by any means, instead of having the intelligence and will
to question what is wrong with THE ONLY application of Ricci's tensors in PHYSICS.
Because MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS, and your support for such degenerate attempt to
violate the nature of vacuum is PATHETIC. But you invested your adult life on it, so I understand
that if I take GR from you, you're left with NOTHING and you burnt your mental bridges to Newton.
Meanwhile, try to explain YOURSELF how GR fails miserably to explain Halley's comet behavior,
while such explanation is what prompted Newton to his actual stature, with worldwide recognition
since his publication of "Principia", which Halley paid himself because he thought that such
genial body of work was worth all the money that was needed (Royal Society was broken by then).
Maybe I should revive some of the many posts where you and your "superior knowledge" were used
to sweep the floor by Wooble Kublee between 2010 and 2015. Maybe you're still healing from such beat.
<snip>
> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>
> --
> Jan
the plagiarist did. The only ones involved in such mathematics were fvcked by Einstein:
Grossman, who was spat as an olive stone, and Hilbert, from whose kindness, genius and
naivety Einstein took advantage by plagiarizing and disguising Hilbert's work in Nov. 1915.
He also fvcked Besso, who was used as a mere assistant plus Levi-Civita, who tried to
teach him something.
Nobody could win dealing with the "Al Capone" of early XX century physics.
And about mushes in my head and your usual "you don't understand", those figures are only
your last resort of hope, because you CAN'T ACCEPT that I can manage tensorial theory without
being an asshole trying to justify GR by any means, instead of having the intelligence and will
to question what is wrong with THE ONLY application of Ricci's tensors in PHYSICS.
Because MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS, and your support for such degenerate attempt to
violate the nature of vacuum is PATHETIC. But you invested your adult life on it, so I understand
that if I take GR from you, you're left with NOTHING and you burnt your mental bridges to Newton.
Meanwhile, try to explain YOURSELF how GR fails miserably to explain Halley's comet behavior,
while such explanation is what prompted Newton to his actual stature, with worldwide recognition
since his publication of "Principia", which Halley paid himself because he thought that such
genial body of work was worth all the money that was needed (Royal Society was broken by then).
Maybe I should revive some of the many posts where you and your "superior knowledge" were used
to sweep the floor by Wooble Kublee between 2010 and 2015. Maybe you're still healing from such beat.
Dono.
Sep 23, 2021, 1:28:45 PM9/23/21
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On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, demented old fart Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all) because I am a cretin.
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
Agreed
Maciej Wozniak
Sep 23, 2021, 1:40:53 PM9/23/21
to
As expected from relativistic trash, of course.
Richard Hertz
Sep 23, 2021, 2:05:44 PM9/23/21
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On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 2:40:53 PM UTC-3, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
Dono є і завжди буде reptile. Нічого хорошого не можна очікувати від такої форми життя .
<snip>
JanPB
Sep 23, 2021, 3:47:04 PM9/23/21
to
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> > It's all one big mush inside your head.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
I am not talking about the mathematics. I'm talking about physics and esp.
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> > It's all one big mush inside your head.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
a theory in it called "relativity".
> Not even Einstein, the plagiarist did.
years ("Koobee", IIRC) who also had a similar obsessive-compulsive disorder:
he could never write "Einstein", it was always, no exception ever: "Einstein,
the plagiarist and the liar". Even if it didn't quite fit grammatically, he always
shoehorned it.
Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
> The only ones involved in such mathematics were fvcked by Einstein:
> Grossman, who was spat as an olive stone, and Hilbert, from whose kindness, genius and
> naivety Einstein took advantage by plagiarizing and disguising Hilbert's work in Nov. 1915.
certainly would not even be looking at gravity if it was not for Einstein's
earlier work, and then he tried to steal the thunder at the very last moment
after Einstein did 95% of the heavy lifting.
Prove me wrong.
> He also fvcked Besso, who was used as a mere assistant plus Levi-Civita, who tried to
> teach him something.
> Nobody could win dealing with the "Al Capone" of early XX century physics.
> And about mushes in my head and your usual "you don't understand",
in general.
> those figures are only
> your last resort of hope, because you CAN'T ACCEPT that I can manage tensorial theory without
> being an asshole trying to justify GR by any means,
just saying that all of your objections against relativity and Einstein are nonsense
(and also filth but I'll let it slide given your infantile nature).
> instead of having the intelligence and will
> to question what is wrong with THE ONLY application of Ricci's tensors in PHYSICS.
just the mathematics here, the problem is you don't understand how physics
is done in general.
> Because MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS,
> and your support for such degenerate attempt to
> violate the nature of vacuum is PATHETIC. But you invested your adult life on it, so I understand
> that if I take GR from you, you're left with NOTHING and you burnt your mental bridges to Newton.
>
> Meanwhile, try to explain YOURSELF how GR fails miserably to explain Halley's comet behavior,
> while such explanation is what prompted Newton to his actual stature,
> with worldwide recognition
> since his publication of "Principia", which Halley paid himself because he thought that such
> genial body of work was worth all the money that was needed (Royal Society was broken by then).
> Maybe I should revive some of the many posts where you and your "superior knowledge" were used
> to sweep the floor by Wooble Kublee between 2010 and 2015. Maybe you're still healing from such beat.
--
Jan
Odd Bodkin
Sep 23, 2021, 5:04:02 PM9/23/21
to
JanPB <fil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
>>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jan
>> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
>
> I am not talking about the mathematics. I'm talking about physics and esp.
> a theory in it called "relativity".
>
>> Not even Einstein, the plagiarist did.
>
> There is something wrong with you. There was a guy around here for many
> years ("Koobee", IIRC) who also had a similar obsessive-compulsive disorder:
> he could never write "Einstein", it was always, no exception ever: "Einstein,
> the plagiarist and the liar". Even if it didn't quite fit grammatically, he always
> shoehorned it.
“Einstein, the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar” as I recall.
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
>>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jan
>> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
>
> I am not talking about the mathematics. I'm talking about physics and esp.
> a theory in it called "relativity".
>
>> Not even Einstein, the plagiarist did.
>
> There is something wrong with you. There was a guy around here for many
> years ("Koobee", IIRC) who also had a similar obsessive-compulsive disorder:
> he could never write "Einstein", it was always, no exception ever: "Einstein,
> the plagiarist and the liar". Even if it didn't quite fit grammatically, he always
> shoehorned it.
So Richard is not even an original loon. Instead he is a copycat loon.
Note that Koobee is now dead, pretty certain.
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
Dono.
Sep 23, 2021, 5:19:09 PM9/23/21
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On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 2:04:02 PM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Note that Koobee is now dead, pretty certain.
Someone implanted his rotten brain into another cadaver and Richard ButtHertz is the result
> Note that Koobee is now dead, pretty certain.
Richard Hertz
Sep 23, 2021, 6:18:10 PM9/23/21
to
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:47:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
<snip and compact some comments of yours>
1. > > > It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
2. > There is something wrong with you.
3. > Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
4. > And why don't you think that it was Hilbert who plagiarized Einstein? Prove me wrong.
5. > You don't understand the theory, you have no clue how physics works in general.
6. > Don't project on me your own inadequacies.
7. > the problem is you don't understand how physics is done in general.
8. 2> > Because MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS, > I never said it was, stop inventing strawmen.
9. > > Meanwhile, try to explain YOURSELF how GR fails miserably to explain Halley's comet behavior, > False.
10. > > while such explanation is what prompted Newton to his actual stature, > Except Newton's theory of gravity doesn't quite work.
11. > Kublee Wooble is an idiot but at least he is somewhat competent mathematically.
Jan, two things:
1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
Bodkin and dono play with karma, both SOB.
2. Remember this?
https://sci.math.narkive.com/OQxhLbMA/dregs-of-sci-math-jan-burse-jan-bielawski-dan-christensen-john-gabriel-mike-moroney-zelos-malum
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Archimedes Plutonium
Through the years, I wasted enough time with these nitwits, the dregs of sci.math. People that never belonged in mathematics, in the first place. They know little to nothing of mathematics. They are a waste of time. Many with fake names, most are stalkers.
They are intellectual failures.
Their game is to attack posters, never to "do math".
Their objective is to kick out posters, and they are bullies needing medical attention.
Some are just robots with an insane human attendant.
So, I have too much work to do to waste any more time on these creeps, but have to waste some time in keeping this list as a NOTICE.
My work of math, allows no more time for these worthless knuckleheads.
Worthless knuckleheads to filter out, never read, unless you want to be a dolt yourself:
Jan Bielawski
Dan Christensen
John Gabriel
Mike Moroney
AP
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<snip and compact some comments of yours>
1. > > > It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
2. > There is something wrong with you.
3. > Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
4. > And why don't you think that it was Hilbert who plagiarized Einstein? Prove me wrong.
5. > You don't understand the theory, you have no clue how physics works in general.
6. > Don't project on me your own inadequacies.
7. > the problem is you don't understand how physics is done in general.
8. 2> > Because MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS, > I never said it was, stop inventing strawmen.
9. > > Meanwhile, try to explain YOURSELF how GR fails miserably to explain Halley's comet behavior, > False.
10. > > while such explanation is what prompted Newton to his actual stature, > Except Newton's theory of gravity doesn't quite work.
11. > Kublee Wooble is an idiot but at least he is somewhat competent mathematically.
Jan, two things:
1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
Bodkin and dono play with karma, both SOB.
2. Remember this?
https://sci.math.narkive.com/OQxhLbMA/dregs-of-sci-math-jan-burse-jan-bielawski-dan-christensen-john-gabriel-mike-moroney-zelos-malum
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Archimedes Plutonium
Through the years, I wasted enough time with these nitwits, the dregs of sci.math. People that never belonged in mathematics, in the first place. They know little to nothing of mathematics. They are a waste of time. Many with fake names, most are stalkers.
They are intellectual failures.
Their game is to attack posters, never to "do math".
Their objective is to kick out posters, and they are bullies needing medical attention.
Some are just robots with an insane human attendant.
So, I have too much work to do to waste any more time on these creeps, but have to waste some time in keeping this list as a NOTICE.
My work of math, allows no more time for these worthless knuckleheads.
Worthless knuckleheads to filter out, never read, unless you want to be a dolt yourself:
Jan Bielawski
Dan Christensen
John Gabriel
Mike Moroney
AP
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Michael Moroney
Sep 23, 2021, 6:22:44 PM9/23/21
to
On 9/23/2021 3:47 PM, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
>>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jan
>> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
>
> I am not talking about the mathematics. I'm talking about physics and esp.
> a theory in it called "relativity".
>
>> Not even Einstein, the plagiarist did.
>
> There is something wrong with you. There was a guy around here for many
> years ("Koobee", IIRC) who also had a similar obsessive-compulsive disorder:
> he could never write "Einstein", it was always, no exception ever: "Einstein,
> the plagiarist and the liar". Even if it didn't quite fit grammatically, he always
> shoehorned it.
"Einstein, the nitwit, plagiarist and liar."
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
>>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jan
>> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
>
> I am not talking about the mathematics. I'm talking about physics and esp.
> a theory in it called "relativity".
>
>> Not even Einstein, the plagiarist did.
>
> There is something wrong with you. There was a guy around here for many
> years ("Koobee", IIRC) who also had a similar obsessive-compulsive disorder:
> he could never write "Einstein", it was always, no exception ever: "Einstein,
> the plagiarist and the liar". Even if it didn't quite fit grammatically, he always
> shoehorned it.
Or was it "Einstein, the nitwit, the plagiarist and the liar."
>
> Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
Even more if you include sci.physics who have similar canned phrases.
> Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
There was Keith Stein who inserted "eh!" everywhere, especially if
responding to something which upset him. The welder guy said something.
And of course our own Maciej has a couple longer ones, "the clocks of
GPS keep indicating t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.",
especially "the GPS keep indicating t'=t (with the precision of an
acceptable error)" and "we're FORCED!!! Forced to THE BEST WAY!", "rave
and spit" as well as a few other canned phrases. I vaguely remember
reading why many psych cases do that verbally, I don't know if
repeatedly typing it in is the same thing. (and they do seem to type it
in manually each time, as the occasional tripped finger typo suggests).
I wonder if Richard's "the XIX century" instead of "the 19th century"
is related.
>> Nobody could win dealing with the "Al Capone" of early XX century physics.
>
> I expect you'll graduate to "Hitler" in a few weeks?
argument.
Python
Sep 23, 2021, 8:31:33 PM9/23/21
to
Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>>
>> --
>> Jan
>
> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
ah.
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
>>
>> --
>> Jan
>
> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
JanPB
Sep 24, 2021, 1:32:33 AM9/24/21
to
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 3:18:10 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:47:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>
> <snip and compact some comments of yours>
>
> 1. > > > It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> 2. > There is something wrong with you.
> 3. > Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
> 4. > And why don't you think that it was Hilbert who plagiarized Einstein? Prove me wrong.
> 5. > You don't understand the theory, you have no clue how physics works in general.
> 6. > Don't project on me your own inadequacies.
> 7. > the problem is you don't understand how physics is done in general.
> 8. 2> > Because MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS, > I never said it was, stop inventing strawmen.
> 9. > > Meanwhile, try to explain YOURSELF how GR fails miserably to explain Halley's comet behavior, > False.
> 10. > > while such explanation is what prompted Newton to his actual stature, > Except Newton's theory of gravity doesn't quite work.
> 11. > Kublee Wooble is an idiot but at least he is somewhat competent mathematically.
>
> Jan, two things:
>
> 1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
> Bodkin and dono play with karma, both SOB.
I thought Koobee posted here a couple of weeks ago.
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:47:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>
> <snip and compact some comments of yours>
>
> 1. > > > It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> 2. > There is something wrong with you.
> 3. > Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
> 4. > And why don't you think that it was Hilbert who plagiarized Einstein? Prove me wrong.
> 5. > You don't understand the theory, you have no clue how physics works in general.
> 6. > Don't project on me your own inadequacies.
> 7. > the problem is you don't understand how physics is done in general.
> 8. 2> > Because MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS, > I never said it was, stop inventing strawmen.
> 9. > > Meanwhile, try to explain YOURSELF how GR fails miserably to explain Halley's comet behavior, > False.
> 10. > > while such explanation is what prompted Newton to his actual stature, > Except Newton's theory of gravity doesn't quite work.
> 11. > Kublee Wooble is an idiot but at least he is somewhat competent mathematically.
>
> Jan, two things:
>
> 1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
> Bodkin and dono play with karma, both SOB.
And why am I a "loser" if I say that what you post about relativity is nonsense? Is this
how you do engineering as well?
> 2. Remember this?
>
> https://sci.math.narkive.com/OQxhLbMA/dregs-of-sci-math-jan-burse-jan-bielawski-dan-christensen-john-gabriel-mike-moroney-zelos-malum
mental case. John Gabriel - I don't know yet. He seems a lunatic but I don't know if it's
not just an act. Ludwig OTOH is sincere in his lunacy.
--
Jan
JanPB
Sep 24, 2021, 1:45:50 AM9/24/21
to
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 3:22:44 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 9/23/2021 3:47 PM, JanPB wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> >>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jan
> >> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
> >
> > I am not talking about the mathematics. I'm talking about physics and esp.
> > a theory in it called "relativity".
> >
> >> Not even Einstein, the plagiarist did.
> >
> > There is something wrong with you. There was a guy around here for many
> > years ("Koobee", IIRC) who also had a similar obsessive-compulsive disorder:
> > he could never write "Einstein", it was always, no exception ever: "Einstein,
> > the plagiarist and the liar". Even if it didn't quite fit grammatically, he always
> > shoehorned it.
> "Einstein, the nitwit, plagiarist and liar."
> Or was it "Einstein, the nitwit, the plagiarist and the liar."
That's right, that was it.
> On 9/23/2021 3:47 PM, JanPB wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:12:52 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:53:20 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>> It's useless because you don't understand the theory and the relevant mathematics.
> >>> It's all one big mush inside your head.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jan
> >> Of course that I don't understand the mathematics of GR (Ricci et.all).
> >
> > I am not talking about the mathematics. I'm talking about physics and esp.
> > a theory in it called "relativity".
> >
> >> Not even Einstein, the plagiarist did.
> >
> > There is something wrong with you. There was a guy around here for many
> > years ("Koobee", IIRC) who also had a similar obsessive-compulsive disorder:
> > he could never write "Einstein", it was always, no exception ever: "Einstein,
> > the plagiarist and the liar". Even if it didn't quite fit grammatically, he always
> > shoehorned it.
> "Einstein, the nitwit, plagiarist and liar."
> Or was it "Einstein, the nitwit, the plagiarist and the liar."
> > Just like sci.math, this NG is full of odd emotional/psychiatric cases.
> Even more if you include sci.physics who have similar canned phrases.
> There was Keith Stein who inserted "eh!" everywhere, especially if
> responding to something which upset him. The welder guy said something.
> And of course our own Maciej has a couple longer ones, "the clocks of
> GPS keep indicating t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.",
> especially "the GPS keep indicating t'=t (with the precision of an
> acceptable error)" and "we're FORCED!!! Forced to THE BEST WAY!", "rave
> and spit" as well as a few other canned phrases.
> I vaguely remember
> reading why many psych cases do that verbally, I don't know if
> repeatedly typing it in is the same thing.
inability to shake it off. The prison walls are too powerful.
> (and they do seem to type it
> in manually each time, as the occasional tripped finger typo suggests).
> I wonder if Richard's "the XIX century" instead of "the 19th century"
> is related.
> > I expect you'll graduate to "Hitler" in a few weeks?
> When (not if) he does, Godwin's Law will state he knows he lost the
> argument.
long enough shall eventually discuss the film director Andrei Tarkovsky :-)
--
Jan
Maciej Wozniak
Sep 24, 2021, 1:52:30 AM9/24/21
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Ruben Pike
Sep 24, 2021, 11:23:32 AM9/24/21
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JanPB wrote:
>> https://sci.math.narkive.com/OQxhLbMA/dregs-of-sci-math-jan-burse-jan-
https://www.bitchute.com/video/A1slhwFvxqw/
why the hell capitalist australia has so many *police_state* morons, and
army morons??
>> https://sci.math.narkive.com/OQxhLbMA/dregs-of-sci-math-jan-burse-jan-
bielawski-dan-christensen-john-gabriel-mike-moroney-zelos-malum
>
> Hahaha, you are now using that poor Plutonium as your exhibit? The guy
> is a full-blown mental case. John Gabriel - I don't know yet. He seems a
> lunatic but I don't know if it's not just an act. Ludwig OTOH is sincere
> in his lunacy.
Orange Vests continue to clash with Dan Andrews' army
>
> Hahaha, you are now using that poor Plutonium as your exhibit? The guy
> is a full-blown mental case. John Gabriel - I don't know yet. He seems a
> lunatic but I don't know if it's not just an act. Ludwig OTOH is sincere
> in his lunacy.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/A1slhwFvxqw/
why the hell capitalist australia has so many *police_state* morons, and
army morons??
Dono.
Sep 24, 2021, 11:31:48 AM9/24/21
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On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:32:33 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> I thought Koobee posted here a couple of weeks ago.
That was the Richard Hertz scumbag masquerading as the dead Koobee.
> I thought Koobee posted here a couple of weeks ago.
Now, it is true that some mad scientists transplanted Koobee rotten and rotting brain into a cadaver. The result is Richard ButtHertz.
Michael Moroney
Sep 24, 2021, 11:40:29 AM9/24/21
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context from the original post has long been lost.
Richard Hertz
Sep 24, 2021, 11:48:03 AM9/24/21
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.....
Dono, hysterical woman, karma is a bitch. It will catch SOB like you sooner or later, but it will.
You wish that people die. You celebrate in the case that some people is dead.
You accuse me of proxying through an italian ISP, as if you was worthing the money and effort, imbecile retarded.
Even Python warned you about this. Then you accused me of impersonating Corda, to engage with him seconds after.
You are so sick, such a genetic garbage, that it's for me impossible to accept that such deviated person could exist.
But, after all, serial killers and pedophiles also exist, so what I do know? NOTHING, except that you ARE NOT HUMAN ANYMORE.
Then, just to enjoy you retorting and choking in your own bilis, I WARN YOU: My next thread is an ABSOLUTE PROOF that
the retarded Einstein, along with his retarded friend Michelle Besso, HACKED the Mercury's solution in Nov. 1915, AFTER
their DISASTER in the summer of 1913 (Entwurf), with calculations for Mercury problem and deflection of light that
were HIDDEN FOR 40 YEARS BY BESSO, and came to light (now in Princeton) after his death. Besso-Einstein manuscript.
It shows why the bastard hide the truth about Mercury till his own death, and how much did he lied to the Prussian Academy.
Enjoy the thread to come, but have your pills at hand.
You wish that people die. You celebrate in the case that some people is dead.
You accuse me of proxying through an italian ISP, as if you was worthing the money and effort, imbecile retarded.
Even Python warned you about this. Then you accused me of impersonating Corda, to engage with him seconds after.
You are so sick, such a genetic garbage, that it's for me impossible to accept that such deviated person could exist.
But, after all, serial killers and pedophiles also exist, so what I do know? NOTHING, except that you ARE NOT HUMAN ANYMORE.
Then, just to enjoy you retorting and choking in your own bilis, I WARN YOU: My next thread is an ABSOLUTE PROOF that
the retarded Einstein, along with his retarded friend Michelle Besso, HACKED the Mercury's solution in Nov. 1915, AFTER
their DISASTER in the summer of 1913 (Entwurf), with calculations for Mercury problem and deflection of light that
were HIDDEN FOR 40 YEARS BY BESSO, and came to light (now in Princeton) after his death. Besso-Einstein manuscript.
It shows why the bastard hide the truth about Mercury till his own death, and how much did he lied to the Prussian Academy.
Enjoy the thread to come, but have your pills at hand.
Dono.
Sep 24, 2021, 12:02:48 PM9/24/21
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On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 8:48:03 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> .....
> Friday, September 24, 2021 at 12:31:48 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:32:33 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> >
> > > I thought Koobee posted here a couple of weeks ago.
> > That was the Richard Hertz scumbag masquerading as the dead Koobee.
> > Now, it is true that some mad scientists transplanted Koobee rotten and rotting brain into a cadaver. The result is Richard ButtHertz.
> karma is a bitch. It will catch me, sooner rather than later.
> .....
> Friday, September 24, 2021 at 12:31:48 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:32:33 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> >
> > > I thought Koobee posted here a couple of weeks ago.
> > That was the Richard Hertz scumbag masquerading as the dead Koobee.
> > Now, it is true that some mad scientists transplanted Koobee rotten and rotting brain into a cadaver. The result is Richard ButtHertz.
Yep
Michael Moroney
Sep 24, 2021, 12:19:37 PM9/24/21
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On 9/23/2021 6:18 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> Jan, two things:
>
> 1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
I believe he made it clear that he was dying at some point, and later
> Jan, two things:
>
> 1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
there was something posted here that he was, in fact, dead.
>
>
> 2. Remember this?
>
> https://sci.math.narkive.com/OQxhLbMA/dregs-of-sci-math-jan-burse-jan-bielawski-dan-christensen-john-gabriel-mike-moroney-zelos-malum
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Archimedes Plutonium
>
Do you consider the babbling of Plutonium to be of value for...pretty
much anything?
JanPB
Sep 24, 2021, 2:07:00 PM9/24/21
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--
Jan
JanPB
Sep 24, 2021, 2:10:45 PM9/24/21
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On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 9/23/2021 6:18 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> > Jan, two things:
> >
> > 1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
> I believe he made it clear that he was dying at some point, and later
> there was something posted here that he was, in fact, dead.
That's sad, regardless of the silliness of his posts. Another retired EE. Must be
> On 9/23/2021 6:18 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> > Jan, two things:
> >
> > 1. You are a pathetic loser but, at least, don't think of Koobee Wublee as a dead person.
> I believe he made it clear that he was dying at some point, and later
> there was something posted here that he was, in fact, dead.
something with the long-term ozone inhalation or something :-)
--
Jan
Dono.
Sep 24, 2021, 2:21:18 PM9/24/21
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On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 11:10:45 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> That's sad, regardless of the silliness of his posts. Another retired EE. Must be
> something with the long-term ozone inhalation or something :-)
>
More like eating and drinking from toilet bowls
> That's sad, regardless of the silliness of his posts. Another retired EE. Must be
> something with the long-term ozone inhalation or something :-)
>
Ruben Pike
Sep 24, 2021, 2:24:18 PM9/24/21
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JanPB wrote:
>> That was the Richard Hertz scumbag masquerading as the dead Koobee.
>> Now, it is true that some mad scientists transplanted Koobee rotten and
>> rotting brain into a cadaver. The result is Richard ButtHertz.
>
> I should have known. The real Koobee would have added "<shrug>" at the
> end.
not true, "democracy" in capitalism, you idiot.
>> That was the Richard Hertz scumbag masquerading as the dead Koobee.
>> Now, it is true that some mad scientists transplanted Koobee rotten and
>> rotting brain into a cadaver. The result is Richard ButtHertz.
>
> I should have known. The real Koobee would have added "<shrug>" at the
> end.
Message To The Morons In Uniform - Your Fascism Will Return To Haunt You
- David Icke Dot Connector
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nVblhMY0Jz4A/
THE REVOLUTION BEGINS IN OZ...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5WsFpYJ59Q3L/
Odd Bodkin
Sep 24, 2021, 2:42:13 PM9/24/21
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retired EEs.
(“Don’t talk about death or posters dying! It’s a craven subject!”)
Isn’t it interesting that a retired engineer who is afraid of the prospect
of dying and uncomfortable even talking about it will nevertheless waste
his time writing verbose and floridly abrasive diatribes on Usenet to a
tiny audience? Is there nothing more worthwhile or positive to do?
Richard Hertz
Sep 24, 2021, 4:09:29 PM9/24/21
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On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
> And a retired EE who can’t stand acknowledging the mortality of aged
> retired EEs.
> (“Don’t talk about death or posters dying! It’s a craven subject!”)
>
> Isn’t it interesting that a retired engineer who is afraid of the prospect
> of dying and uncomfortable even talking about it will nevertheless waste
> his time writing verbose and floridly abrasive diatribes on Usenet to a
> tiny audience? Is there nothing more worthwhile or positive to do?
No, freak! As always, you resorted to distort posts at your convenience and fallacious
amendments. I criticize the non-human lifeform known as Dono for wishing death to me
and for celebrating Koblee death!
I'm not afraid of death (most people are) as it can happens just after I post this, get hit by
a meteor while on the street or suffer any kind of accident due to nature or other people's doing.
You, somehow, validated Dono position when he did a thread wishing my death and many posts
where the filthy lifeform insist on that. If you had a bit of moral values on your body, you should
have being critic of such posts or (as JanPB did) show some respect after Kublee.
But, as you also are a SOB who's posing as a "philosophy oriented guy", this actions are OK with you.
I remember you being as despicable as the mental midget Dono in many, many posts along these years.
You may or may not believe in karma, but nature and synchronicity have their means and, more sooner
than later, it acts. Symmetry? God? Who knows. But it only takes a little bit of time to check the life of
some public figures to prove it.
I don't play with the unknown.
<snip>
> And a retired EE who can’t stand acknowledging the mortality of aged
> retired EEs.
> (“Don’t talk about death or posters dying! It’s a craven subject!”)
>
> Isn’t it interesting that a retired engineer who is afraid of the prospect
> of dying and uncomfortable even talking about it will nevertheless waste
> his time writing verbose and floridly abrasive diatribes on Usenet to a
> tiny audience? Is there nothing more worthwhile or positive to do?
amendments. I criticize the non-human lifeform known as Dono for wishing death to me
and for celebrating Koblee death!
I'm not afraid of death (most people are) as it can happens just after I post this, get hit by
a meteor while on the street or suffer any kind of accident due to nature or other people's doing.
You, somehow, validated Dono position when he did a thread wishing my death and many posts
where the filthy lifeform insist on that. If you had a bit of moral values on your body, you should
have being critic of such posts or (as JanPB did) show some respect after Kublee.
But, as you also are a SOB who's posing as a "philosophy oriented guy", this actions are OK with you.
I remember you being as despicable as the mental midget Dono in many, many posts along these years.
You may or may not believe in karma, but nature and synchronicity have their means and, more sooner
than later, it acts. Symmetry? God? Who knows. But it only takes a little bit of time to check the life of
some public figures to prove it.
I don't play with the unknown.
Dono.
Sep 24, 2021, 5:59:14 PM9/24/21
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On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 1:09:29 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz lied:
> You, somehow, validated Dono position when he did a thread wishing my death
I never wished for your death, odious liar. I like you alive, to provide us with the daily entertainment, clown!
> You, somehow, validated Dono position when he did a thread wishing my death
Michael Moroney
Sep 24, 2021, 6:27:39 PM9/24/21
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Michael Moroney
Sep 24, 2021, 6:33:41 PM9/24/21
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On 9/24/2021 4:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> And a retired EE who can’t stand acknowledging the mortality of aged
>> retired EEs.
>> (“Don’t talk about death or posters dying! It’s a craven subject!”)
>>
>> Isn’t it interesting that a retired engineer who is afraid of the prospect
>> of dying and uncomfortable even talking about it will nevertheless waste
>> his time writing verbose and floridly abrasive diatribes on Usenet to a
>> tiny audience? Is there nothing more worthwhile or positive to do?
>
> No, freak! As always, you resorted to distort posts at your convenience and fallacious
> amendments. I criticize the non-human lifeform known as Dono for wishing death to me
> and for celebrating Koblee death!
>
I don't remember seeing Dono wishing death on you. The closest I can
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> And a retired EE who can’t stand acknowledging the mortality of aged
>> retired EEs.
>> (“Don’t talk about death or posters dying! It’s a craven subject!”)
>>
>> Isn’t it interesting that a retired engineer who is afraid of the prospect
>> of dying and uncomfortable even talking about it will nevertheless waste
>> his time writing verbose and floridly abrasive diatribes on Usenet to a
>> tiny audience? Is there nothing more worthwhile or positive to do?
>
> No, freak! As always, you resorted to distort posts at your convenience and fallacious
> amendments. I criticize the non-human lifeform known as Dono for wishing death to me
> and for celebrating Koblee death!
>
think of are many posts stating "You were born as a cretin, and you'll
die as a cretin" or similar.
Richard Hertz
Sep 24, 2021, 6:54:21 PM9/24/21
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https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/YkZQOc8wirk
There was once a piece of shit who called himself Kobee Wublee, that piece of shit has died and has been
replaced by a fresh piece of shit called Richard Hertz
Dono. Sep 6, 2021, 4:47:47 PM to
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 12:42:36 PM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> Piece of shit Kobee Wublee replaced by steaming piece of shit Richard Hertz
Hopefully piece of shit Richard Hertz will follow piece of shit Kobee Wublee. Soon.
Dono.
Sep 24, 2021, 7:11:42 PM9/24/21
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Michael Moroney
Sep 24, 2021, 8:38:03 PM9/24/21
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On 9/24/2021 6:54 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 9/24/2021 4:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> And a retired EE who can’t stand acknowledging the mortality of aged
>>>> retired EEs.
>>>> (“Don’t talk about death or posters dying! It’s a craven subject!”)
>>>>
>>>> Isn’t it interesting that a retired engineer who is afraid of the prospect
>>>> of dying and uncomfortable even talking about it will nevertheless waste
>>>> his time writing verbose and floridly abrasive diatribes on Usenet to a
>>>> tiny audience? Is there nothing more worthwhile or positive to do?
>>>
>>> No, freak! As always, you resorted to distort posts at your convenience and fallacious
>>> amendments. I criticize the non-human lifeform known as Dono for wishing death to me
>>> and for celebrating Koblee death!
>>>
>> I don't remember seeing Dono wishing death on you. The closest I can
>> think of are many posts stating "You were born as a cretin, and you'll
>> die as a cretin" or similar.
>
> Very poor and selective memory. Do you remember this thread? Only two weeks ago.
I don't but for once you may be correct. Also that's where the fake
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 9/24/2021 4:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> And a retired EE who can’t stand acknowledging the mortality of aged
>>>> retired EEs.
>>>> (“Don’t talk about death or posters dying! It’s a craven subject!”)
>>>>
>>>> Isn’t it interesting that a retired engineer who is afraid of the prospect
>>>> of dying and uncomfortable even talking about it will nevertheless waste
>>>> his time writing verbose and floridly abrasive diatribes on Usenet to a
>>>> tiny audience? Is there nothing more worthwhile or positive to do?
>>>
>>> No, freak! As always, you resorted to distort posts at your convenience and fallacious
>>> amendments. I criticize the non-human lifeform known as Dono for wishing death to me
>>> and for celebrating Koblee death!
>>>
>> I don't remember seeing Dono wishing death on you. The closest I can
>> think of are many posts stating "You were born as a cretin, and you'll
>> die as a cretin" or similar.
>
> Very poor and selective memory. Do you remember this thread? Only two weeks ago.
Koobee post is!
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