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Ivan Gorelik

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Oct 30, 2008, 5:35:04 AM10/30/08
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Ladder to outer space.

Look at the ladder, with the factor equal to 1 000 000.

Chemical reactions - eV; usual bomb, destroys a house.
Nuclear reactions - MeV; nuclear bomb; destroys a town.
Subnuclear reactions - TeV; the last bomb; destroys the Earth.

LHC will give 7TeV.

They are waiting for mass-creating boson, but they’ll receive a mass-
deleting neutron hole, capturing the ordinary matter and transforming
half of its mass into radiation, and the second half into the strong
magnetic field of growing neutron hole.

If a neutron hole was invented by somebody of top physicist, the
theory would be correct, and LHC would be stopped. But the neutron
hole is my invention, and it will be made in LHC without our
permeation, and it will kill us all.


Black hole or neutron hole?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/b38528d4d2260b66?hl=en#

funkenstein

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Oct 30, 2008, 6:34:08 AM10/30/08
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> Black hole or neutron hole?http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/t...


Is this a joke?
A fastball has thousands of PeV. The world series will kill us all!

Sam Wormley

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Oct 30, 2008, 9:15:49 AM10/30/08
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funkenstein wrote:
> On Oct 30, 10:35 am, Ivan Gorelik <darkene...@yandex.ru> wrote:
>> Chemical reactions - eV; usual bomb, destroys a house.
>> Nuclear reactions - MeV; nuclear bomb; destroys a town.
>> Subnuclear reactions - TeV; the last bomb; destroys the Earth.
>>
>> LHC will give 7TeV.
>>


Start by getting a better education.

o The energy that can be supplied to a collision by the Large
Hadron Collider (LHC) is a piffle, compared to similar collision
(cosmic rays) taking place over your head right here right now.
Cosmic Ray energies range from five to ten orders of magnitude
greater than the maximum energy that can be pumped into a collision
in the LHC.

o There is evidence that a black hole has been created in particle
accelerators in the past. Low mass black holes have an exceedingly
short lifetime. t = m^3/(1.194 x 10^16 kg^3/s)

o There is no possibility to pump enough energy into a black hole
to have any substantial mass.

o There is no way to create a black hole in a laboratory that can
sustain itself.

Sam Wormley

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Oct 30, 2008, 9:19:27 AM10/30/08
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Ivan Gorelik wrote:
> Ladder to outer space.
>
> Look at the ladder, with the factor equal to 1 000 000.
>
> Chemical reactions - eV; usual bomb, destroys a house.
> Nuclear reactions - MeV; nuclear bomb; destroys a town.
> Subnuclear reactions - TeV; the last bomb; destroys the Earth.
>
> LHC will give 7TeV.
>

Start by getting a better education.

Benj

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Oct 30, 2008, 1:38:29 PM10/30/08
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On Oct 30, 8:19 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

> o There is no possibility to pump enough energy into a black hole
> to have any substantial mass.
>
> o There is no way to create a black hole in a laboratory that can
> sustain itself.

Hey Sam,

Axiom: When anybody, especially a scientist, starts asserting that
this or that is "impossible" this is equivalent to wearing a large
well-lit sign saying "I am a Moron!".

RustyJames

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Oct 30, 2008, 4:16:42 PM10/30/08
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It’s the mass and density that creates the gravity needed sustain a
perpetual collapse and the Hadron collider supplies neither so you can
sleep safe tonight

Dave Typinski

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Oct 30, 2008, 8:21:25 PM10/30/08
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:19:27 GMT, Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com>
wrote:

>
> o There is evidence that a black hole has been created in particle
> accelerators in the past.

Cool! Has that ever been written up anywhere? Any chance of a
reference? Thanks!
--
Dave

Ivan Gorelik

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Oct 31, 2008, 12:37:49 AM10/31/08
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Dave Typinski wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
...

> > o There is evidence that a black hole has been created in particle accelerators in the past.

Black holes are impossible.

> Cool! Has that ever been written up anywhere? Any chance of a reference? Thanks!
> --
> Dave

Cool? You are crazy!

Hi all!

Did somebody know about the axial symmetric magnetic black hole?
It seems it is quite simple, and must be invented many years ago.

I do not know yet anything about earlier developments of the topic,
and I’ll try to explain it myself, using my own terminology.

Definitions.

1. Neutron hole is a magnetic dipole, which can be imagined as an
infinitely thin coil, creating the critical magnetic field. Mass of a
coil is equal to zero. Neutron hole can capture neutrons, which are
the smallest neutral magnets. The first half of mass of captured slaw
neutron goes to creating a gamma-photon, and the second half goes to
neutron hole’s magnetic field. The critical magnetic field of neutron
hole is constant, and as a result of neutron capture the radius of
neutron hole becomes bigger.
2. Neutron liquid is a liquid from neutrons with the same spin
orientation, coinciding with the direction of strong external magnetic
field. Density of neutron liquid is similar to nuclear density.

In the bottom Addition I put some formulae, and here there are some
results, comparisons, conclusions.

The smallest possible neutron hole has mass which is equal to 1055
masses of neutron, or about 1 TeV. The density of naked neutron holes
are 1000 times greater the nuclear density. The magnetic field of
naked neutron hole is about 3*10^16 teslas. Compare: the most magnetic
neutron stars, magnetars, give 10^13 teslas.

If the neutron hole will have the temperature more than 0 K, its
magnetic field and density will be smaller. It is also possible that
neutron stars are neutron holes, covered by neutron liquid, or
surrounded by a torus, filled by neutron liquid. As a result, external
magnetic field and density will be smaller

Black hole is spherically symmetric.
Neutron hole is axially symmetric, connected by magnetic forces, which
are 10^40 stronger than gravity forces of black holes.

Black hole has mass, gravity field.
Neutron hole has electric current, magnetic field.

Black hole has central singularity.
Neutron hole has circular electric current.

Black hole has Schwarzschild radius.
Neutron hole has critical radius of coil.

Black hole is not observable.
It is possible, that pulsars, magnetars, some quasars have neutron
holes inside.

Micro black holes evaporate according to Hawking.
Neutron hole’s evaporation does not known clearly yet. But it is clear
that evaporation depends greatly from the energy of captured neutrons
and scattered particles.

The most of observable objects, named “black holes”, are not black
holes, because they have strong magnetic field. Some of these objects
were renamed MECO. But I think that those objects are also neutron
holes.

Pulsars and magnetars (visible objects) are connected with neutron
stars (theoretical objects). Neutron holes (theoretical objects) are
more correct candidates to be connected with pulsars and manetars.
Because, neutron stars are bounded by gravity forces, and neutron
holes are bounded by magnetic forces.

If BH captures single neutron (or proton, or electron), it will have
magnetic moment, but such magnetic BH will have no GR-solution.
Consequently, BH can capture the matter only in pairs. We have absurd:
“BH will never capture single neutron (proton, electron), which flies
near the BH”.

The neutron hole has no GR-solution, but it can capture neutrons. The
charged particle (electron) will be thrown out from neutron hole into
its radio-jet. Proton will be forced to decay, with resulting capture
of neutron and ejecting positron.

Somebody will say: “Fermi statistics!”
I’ll answer: “Black hole has no hear, neutron hole does not know
statistics.”


Addition.

Let’s find the minimal possible neutron hole.

It can be imagined as a system of one-spire coils, every one of each
creates the magnetic field, equivalent to the neutrons magnetic field.
All of these one-spire coils are infinitely thin and are situated at
the same place.

Let’s compute the binding energy for systems, containing 2, 3, 4, ...
n one-spire coils.

The binding energy of n-th coil with a system of n-1 coils is equal to
energy, which one must spend in order to turn the one-spire coil on 90
degrees relatively the system of n-1 coils.
n = 2; E2 = p*B;
n = 3; E3 = p*(2B);
n = 4; E4 = p*(3B);
...
n = n; En = p*((n-1)*B),
where: p – magnetic moment of one-spire coil; B – magnetic field,
created by one coil.

Total binding energy, Etotal:
Etotal = p*B+p*(2B)+...p*((n-1)*B) = (n-1)*n*p*B/2.

Specific binding energy:
e = Etotal / n = (n-1)*p*B/2.

Magnetic field created in the center of a circular coil with the
radius R, and with electrical current I:
B = mu0 *I / (2R).

Magnetic moment of one-spire coil:
p = I*S = I*pi*R2.

The binding energy of 2 coils:
E2 = p*B = mu0*pi*I^2*R/2.

The magnetic moment of neutron is known: p = 0,966*10^-26 J/T.
With the help of formulae p = IS, I = q/t = q*c/(2*pi*R), S = pi*R^2,
we can write:
E2 = mu0*q^3*c^3/(16*pi*p),
E2 = 2,86*10^-13 J.

Let’s find n, at which the total binding energy are equal to rest mass
of its all neutrons.

Etotal / c^2 = n*m
n = 2*c^2*m/ E2 + 1 = 1055
This number corresponds approximately to 1 TeV.

Ivan Gorelik

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Nov 2, 2008, 2:50:09 AM11/2/08
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Neutron hole will kill us all, if we will not stop colliders.
Neutron hole is axial-symmetric magnetic black hole.
It is 10^40 stronger than spherically symmetric gravitational black
hole.
CERN’s specialists do not know the neutron hole.
What can we do?

Earth will be transformed into an infinitely thin emptiness,
surrounded by circular current of 6 meter radius. Compare:
Schwarzschild radius of such mass is 0,009 meters.

Half of Earth’s mass will be transformed into magnetic field of
neutron hole, and another half will be transformed into radiation.

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)

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Nov 2, 2008, 12:50:29 PM11/2/08
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"Ivan Gorelik" <darke...@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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> Neutron hole will kill us all, if we will not stop colliders.

Excellent. So you can shut up sometime around spring of next
year. Something to look forward to.

David A. Smith


Ivan Gorelik

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Nov 3, 2008, 12:47:44 AM11/3/08
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> > Neutron hole will kill us all, if we will not stop colliders.
>
> Excellent. So you can shut up sometime around spring of next
> year. Something to look forward to.
>
> David A. Smith

No, I’ll do not shut up, because there can be several models of axial
symmetric black holes, connected by magnetic forces. Some of them can
be received of one of colliders. That will be the end of Earth.

Bosonic and fermionic neutron holes.

Neutron hole, having poles N and S, can be made in the collision.

Fermionic: p + p ---- > NS + 2e~.
Bosonic: p + p ---- > NS + 2e~ + 2nu.
Where p – proton; NS – magnetic dipole, consisting of two Dirac
monopoles N and S; e~ - positron; nu – neutrino.

Fermionic neutron hole captures neutrons, transforming neutron’s rest
energy into two approximately equal parts: creation of supplementary
magnetic field of the hole; radiation of gamma photons.

NS(x) + n --- > NS(x+1) + gamma, or:
NS(x) + n --- > NS(x+1) + 2gamma.

Bosonic neutron hole captures neutrons, transforming neutron’s rest
energy into two approximately equal parts: creation of supplementary
magnetic field of the hole; radiation of antineutrino and possibly a
pair of photons.

NS(x) + n --- > NS(x+1) + nu~, or:
NS(x) + n --- > NS(x+1) + nu~ + 2gamma.

Fermionic neutron hole has spin and magnetic field, rotating
synchronically to hole rotation.
Bosonic neutron hole has only magnetic field.

Which hole do you prefer to make on the collider? Which hole is more
correct? David A. Smith, help me to solve this problem, and let’s try
together to stop powerful colliders.

Best wishes!

eric gisse

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Nov 3, 2008, 1:50:50 AM11/3/08
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:47:44 -0800 (PST), Ivan Gorelik
<darke...@yandex.ru> wrote:

[snip]

LHC collisiosn are - again - orders of magnitude weaker than cosmic
ray collisions. So - again - shut the fuck up.

Ivan Gorelik

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Nov 3, 2008, 4:35:35 AM11/3/08
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On Nov 3, 8:50 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:47:44 -0800 (PST), Ivan Gorelik
>
> <darkene...@yandex.ru> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> LHC collisiosn are - again - orders of magnitude weaker than cosmic
> ray collisions. So - again - shut the fuck up.

Idiot LHC - kinder garden for neutron star's embryos.
Cosmic embryos day in 1 000 000 000 000 K temperature.

Ivan Gorelik

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Nov 3, 2008, 11:08:15 PM11/3/08
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Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several
beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not
know about neutron hole. Earth will be transformed into an infinitely
thin emptiness, surrounded by circular current of 6 meter radius. Half
of Earths mass will be transformed into super strong magnetic field of
neutron hole, and another half - into radiation. Neutron hole will
kill us all, if we will not stop all powerful colliders.

Uncle Al

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Nov 4, 2008, 1:25:10 PM11/4/08
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Ivan Gorelik wrote:
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> Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several
> beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole.
[snip crap]

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
You've got your neutron hole right here.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

Ivan Gorelik

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Nov 5, 2008, 9:20:45 PM11/5/08
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According to last publications at the Tevatron the new particle was
discovered.
It lives ten times more than it would follow from the Standard theory.
It decays at several muons, and in the bottom text I will name it
“muon hole”.

Discovery of such strange particle, as muon hole, says us that at
higher energies we will have the family of such particles. Here is an
approximate picture of several particles from this family.

Muon hole decays at dozen of muons and has short life-time.
Meson hole decays at hundred of mesons and has average life-time.
Fermionic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of neutrons but
captures other neutrons of surrounding matter.
Bosonic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of proton-electron
pairs but captures other proton-electron pairs, or neutrons ejecting
in this case antineutrino.

Neutron hole does not decay if it was made in the cool place, such as
collider.
If the neutron hole was made in the collision of cosmic particle with
atmospheric particle it would have the velocity, which is very close
to the light velocity, and as a result, it would evaporate immediately
after the capture of relativistic particle.

The experimental discovery of neutron hole will be the last discovery
of humanity.
Stop powerful colliders!

Ivan Gorelik

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Nov 14, 2008, 9:57:58 PM11/14/08
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All big bangergs must be prisoned.
Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than
gravity
black hole.
It will transform the Earth and Sun into a magnetic field which will
look as a ring.
Look how the inner ring of SN 1987A changes with years.
Powerful colliders must be prohibited. CERN will make the embryos of
neutron stars, and will kill us all, if we will not stop CERN.
Neutron hole is visible.
Look at the evolution of SN 1987A internal ring
http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0704.html
Study Space Genetics, the theory of Ivan Gorelik. http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
Compare SN 1987A with electron in Space Genetics: http://darkenergy.narod.ru/SR2007.exe

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)

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Nov 15, 2008, 12:20:17 PM11/15/08
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"Ivan Gorelik" <darke...@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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...

> Powerful colliders must be prohibited. CERN will make
> the embryos of neutron stars, and will kill us all, if we
> will not stop CERN.

Only months now and your ignorance will be snuffed out forever.
Either you will learn that much energy is required to assemble
those things, that the things they are assembling are not
classical BH or mini neutron stars, or the planet will be visited
by magical blue fairies that will grant your request and add the
necessary mass to make that happen (far more than even Earth's
mass) and we'll all die.

...


> Compare SN 1987A with electron in Space Genetics:
> http://darkenergy.narod.ru/SR2007.exe

You actually expect virus and trojan software into their
computer, from someone as unstable as you?

Please, get a life.

David A. Smith


tadchem

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Nov 15, 2008, 7:01:23 PM11/15/08
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On Nov 14, 9:57 pm, Ivan Gorelik <darkene...@yandex.ru> wrote:
> All big bangergs must be prisoned.

Are you related to Jamie Gorelick, the former Deputy Attorney General
of the United States during the Clinton administration? It was she who
told the FBI "Thou shalt not talk to the CIA, and vice versa," keeping
them from accessing the computer of the "20th hijacker

Your pronouncement is totally political and unscientific, not to
mention only semi-literate.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Sam Wormley

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jmfbahciv

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And it sounds like another Coast to Coast show I heard.

/BAH

jmfbahciv

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No, they won't go away if the original source is that dangerous
radio show. Somebody has to counter that stupidity that is
being presented as science and is being believed by people
who don't know better but do vote either in the polls or
in a congressional seat. Pay attention!


/BAH

Ivan Gorelik

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Nov 16, 2008, 8:48:06 AM11/16/08
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On Nov 16, 2:01 am, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 9:57 pm, Ivan Gorelik <darkene...@yandex.ru> wrote:
>
> > All big bangergs must be prisoned.
>
> Are you related to Jamie Gorelick, the former Deputy Attorney General
> of the United States during the Clinton administration?

No.

CERN physicists imagine quark-gluon plasma as a suck with peas. That
is a very dangerous imagination. The physics now is in the deep
crisis. Theorists, in order to save their religious Big Bang theory,
invented "dark energy" as a new either. They want to test their
wretched theory at the powerful collider LHC.

One of the authors of such fairy tales, V.A. Rubakov, at the page "The
safety of the LHC" http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html
wrote: "We can be sure that particle collisions at the LHC cannot
lead to a catastrophic consequences". And at the page "V.A.Rubakov"
http://www.inr.ru/eng/2005e/rubakove.html we can read: "Thus already
in his first famous work on proton decay monopole catalysis (1981) he
theoretically predicted a qualitative physical effect (decay of baryon
matter!) and made a thorough quantitative conclusion about the
possibility and ways how it can be tested experimentally".

But that is the neutron hole, or magnetic dipole, made of two coupled
monopoles.
Big Bang adherents can lead the Earth to the utter destruction.
Particle collisions with energy more then 1 TeV must be prohibited by
international law. The science must be cleared from marasmus of Big
Bang.

More is here: http://darkenergy.narod.ru/

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