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The Starmaker
Jun 11, 2022, 6:26:29 PM6/11/22
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Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
fact
/fakt/
noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
fact
/fakt/
noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
whodat
Jun 11, 2022, 10:32:23 PM6/11/22
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On 6/11/2022 5:26 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
> the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
Albert Einstein was never granted a security clearance thus he never
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
> the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
worked directly on any bomb projects.
"Without a security clearance, Einstein's only scientific contribution
was an analysis of an isotope."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=einstein+security+clearance&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1>
"Einstein himself had only a minor role in the Manhattan Project: he had
cosigned a letter to the U.S. president in 1939 urging funding for
research into atomic energy, warning that an atomic bomb was
theoretically possible. The letter persuaded Roosevelt to devote a
significant portion of the wartime budget to atomic research. Without a
security clearance, Einstein's only scientific contribution was an
analysis of an isotope separation method in theoretical terms. It was
inconsequential, on account of Einstein not being given sufficient
information to fully work on the problem."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
Please check the facts before posting nonsense on Usenet. Thanks.
Richard Hertz
Jun 11, 2022, 11:09:07 PM6/11/22
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Like if the drooling imbecile could know what the fuck was that.
He, that didn't know what a fucking neutron was, by 1934. And that the energy lied on molecules, not atoms.
Read his press conference at Pittsburgh, Dec.28, 1934.
I posted the link on the thread about his m=E/c2.
And, WIKIPEDIA? Seriously?
Never, ever quote Wiki as a source. Let that for cretins like Dono.
whodat
Jun 12, 2022, 1:51:07 AM6/12/22
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J. J. Lodder
Jun 12, 2022, 3:37:39 AM6/12/22
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The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance
> with the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time
> after the war ended.
ROTFL, sorry.
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance
> with the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time
> after the war ended.
Reality check:
J. Edgar Hoover, as you may know the long-time FBI chief,
carried a deep and by now well-known grudge against Einstein.
He did what he could to get Einstein thrown out of the USA
as an undesirable alien.
The way to do that was to prove Einstein a communist,
or at least a communist sympathiser.
He never succeeded, but it was not for lack of trying.
BTW, you can easily find the FBI files on Einstein on the net.
The idea that Einstein could have gotten a security clearance
is ludicrous, and obviously based on complete ignorance,
Jan
The Starmaker
Jun 12, 2022, 4:30:13 AM6/12/22
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The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
> the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
>
> fact
> /fakt/
> noun
> a thing that is known or proved to be true.
>
It appears that many subscribers of sci.physics.relativity are in some kind of cult.
>
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
> the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
>
> fact
> /fakt/
> noun
> a thing that is known or proved to be true.
>
Do you think facts will deprogram them? I don't think so.
Albert Einstein NEVER was denied any security clearance. He simply didn't want to leave
his home to go and work somewhere else.
He simply chose consulting using 'liaisons' to send and receive information.
(he used a lot of liaisons) (leo szilard was one of them)
(Albert Einstein told the FBI that he sees SZILARD quite frequently as SZILARD visits him to inform him as to his work on the uranium experiment.
Albert Einsteinsaid that the last time he had seen SZILARD was a week or ten days ago, at which time SZILARD had visited him, together with Professor EUGENE WIGNER, of Princeton University.)
That was his MO ...modus operandi.
"...One possible way
of achieving this might be for you to entrust with this task a person
who has your confidence and who could perhaps serve in an inofficial
capacity. His task might comprise the following:
a) to approach Government Departments, keep them informed of the
further development, and put forward recommendations for Government action,..."
https://hypertextbook.com/eworld/einstein/#first
personal facts about Einstein: He tried to avoid trips to Washington,:
another possible explanation for his reluctance to travel to the Capital
surfaced when he declined a Navy suggestion that he come and pick up
some research material. ''I thank you very heartily for your kind
invitation,'' he wrote, ''which I shall gladly accept if the need
arises. Without such need, I shall try to avoid such trips, knowing that
I would be very much molested by snobbish people.''
Einstein pleaded illness to avoid a trip to Washington. ''On account of
the condition of my health,'' he wrote, ''it is not advisable for me to
go to Washington without urgent necessity.''
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/18/us/briefing-a-smart-man-indeed.html
To put it simply, Einstein was a lazy person.
whodat
Jun 12, 2022, 2:40:32 PM6/12/22
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The blend of truth and clear fiction you post in the face of
well established and published realities make your posts on
the topic of Albert Einstein unworthy of consideration and
further discussion. I am not picking a fight with you, I am
ending it.
FYI Szilard and Wigner were Hungarians who had previously
(when all three were living in Europe) been Einstein's students.
Einstein had surgery related to his abdominal aortic aneurysm
in 1948. The symptoms did not emerge overnight, certainly he was
ill when he declined to travel in the 1943-44 period discussed
in the NYT article you've referenced. Clearly it was not laziness
that kept him close to home.
If are considering deprogramming, please start with yourself. None
of the arguments you've presented are worthy of the time I've devoted
to answering you and if for no other reason I will not continue such
discussions.
Message has been deleted
mitchr...@gmail.com
Jun 12, 2022, 4:09:27 PM6/12/22
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The Starmaker
Jun 12, 2022, 4:10:01 PM6/12/22
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I mean, really..has anyone here, there or everywhere ever recall
Albert Einstein 'saying' he didn't have military clearance????
Did he ever said once to the effect, "I didn't have military
clearance."?
Somebody spread that lie, and yous all fell for it...for decades.
Heresay.
tittle-tattle
hear·say
/'hir?sa/
noun
information received from other people that one cannot adequately
substantiate; rumor.
synonyms: rumor, gossip, tittle-tattle, tattle, idle chatter, idle talk,
mere talk, report, stories, tales, tidbits, bavardage, on dit,
Kaffeeklatsch, labrish, shu-shu, buzz, the grapevine, goss, scuttlebutt,
tea, furphy, skinder, bruit
Albert Einstein 'saying' he didn't have military clearance????
Did he ever said once to the effect, "I didn't have military
clearance."?
Somebody spread that lie, and yous all fell for it...for decades.
Heresay.
tittle-tattle
hear·say
/'hir?sa/
noun
information received from other people that one cannot adequately
substantiate; rumor.
synonyms: rumor, gossip, tittle-tattle, tattle, idle chatter, idle talk,
mere talk, report, stories, tales, tidbits, bavardage, on dit,
Kaffeeklatsch, labrish, shu-shu, buzz, the grapevine, goss, scuttlebutt,
tea, furphy, skinder, bruit
whodat
Jun 12, 2022, 7:03:23 PM6/12/22
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On 6/12/2022 2:49 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 3:40:32 PM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> He had an abdominal aortic aneurysm (AAA). Possible origins:
>
> - Syphilis?
> - Picking up cigarette butts from the street and filling his pipe with bits of discarded tobacco.? Got a lethal virus that way?
> - Heavy smoking and drinking?
> - GUILT for his past actions?
>
> I wrote here a couple of times that he had a severe heart condition. His illness put him out of action several times, as is documented.
> In 1918 (38 yo): several months. In 1928 (48 yo), he had to do nothing for more than 10 months, etc.
>
> What Killed Albert Einstein?
>
> https://notevenpast.org/what-killed-albert-einstein/
>
> Excerpt:
>
> Dr. Janos Plesch, a physician and long-time close friend who occasionally treated the physicist, thought that syphilis caused Einstein’s deadly abdominal aortic aneurysm (AAA). He said that Einstein was “a strongly sexual person” who enjoyed the company of numerous women even while married. Dr. Plesch conjectured that AAAs usually have a syphilitic origin. Why, he thought, would it be so unreasonable to assume that Einstein contracted syphilis on one of his escapades? Some authors have echoed Plesch’s claim, repeating it as undoubtedly true because it came from a close confidant of Einstein.
Current thinking appears to attribute AAA to tobacco.
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 3:40:32 PM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Einstein had surgery related to his abdominal aortic aneurysm
>> in 1948. The symptoms did not emerge overnight, certainly he was
>> ill when he declined to travel in the 1943-44 period discussed
>> in the NYT article you've referenced. Clearly it was not laziness
>> that kept him close to home.
>
> <snip>
>> Einstein had surgery related to his abdominal aortic aneurysm
>> in 1948. The symptoms did not emerge overnight, certainly he was
>> ill when he declined to travel in the 1943-44 period discussed
>> in the NYT article you've referenced. Clearly it was not laziness
>> that kept him close to home.
>
>
> He had an abdominal aortic aneurysm (AAA). Possible origins:
>
> - Syphilis?
> - Picking up cigarette butts from the street and filling his pipe with bits of discarded tobacco.? Got a lethal virus that way?
> - Heavy smoking and drinking?
> - GUILT for his past actions?
>
> I wrote here a couple of times that he had a severe heart condition. His illness put him out of action several times, as is documented.
> In 1918 (38 yo): several months. In 1928 (48 yo), he had to do nothing for more than 10 months, etc.
>
> What Killed Albert Einstein?
>
> https://notevenpast.org/what-killed-albert-einstein/
>
> Excerpt:
>
> Dr. Janos Plesch, a physician and long-time close friend who occasionally treated the physicist, thought that syphilis caused Einstein’s deadly abdominal aortic aneurysm (AAA). He said that Einstein was “a strongly sexual person” who enjoyed the company of numerous women even while married. Dr. Plesch conjectured that AAAs usually have a syphilitic origin. Why, he thought, would it be so unreasonable to assume that Einstein contracted syphilis on one of his escapades? Some authors have echoed Plesch’s claim, repeating it as undoubtedly true because it came from a close confidant of Einstein.
Current thinking appears to attribute AAA to tobacco.
whodat
Jun 12, 2022, 8:46:18 PM6/12/22
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On 6/12/2022 3:10 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I mean, really..has anyone here, there or everywhere ever recall
> Albert Einstein 'saying' he didn't have military clearance????
>
> Did he ever said once to the effect, "I didn't have military
> clearance."?
>
>
> Somebody spread that lie, and yous all fell for it...for decades.
The above is a classically Dunning-Kruger response.
> I mean, really..has anyone here, there or everywhere ever recall
> Albert Einstein 'saying' he didn't have military clearance????
>
> Did he ever said once to the effect, "I didn't have military
> clearance."?
>
>
> Somebody spread that lie, and yous all fell for it...for decades.
The Starmaker
Jun 13, 2022, 3:19:58 AM6/13/22
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The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
> the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
>
> fact
> /fakt/
> noun
> a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Richard Feynman Facts:
>
> Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
>
> They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance with
> the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same time after the war ended.
>
> fact
> /fakt/
> noun
> a thing that is known or proved to be true.
FBI report on Richard Feynman
https://cdn.muckrock.com/foia_documents/Feynman_Master_of_Deception.pdf
https://archive.org/details/RichardFeynmanFBI/page/n33/mode/2up
RICHARD PHILLIPS FEYNMAN was employed in the Theoretical
Physics Division at Los Alamos, as a scientist from
1943 to October 27, 1945. She
advised her records reflect during 1946 FEYNMAN was listed as
a consultant at $25.00 per day,
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Albert Einstein Facts:
May 17, 1943
Dear Lieutenant Brunauer:
Professor Einstein has told me of his con-
versation with you and showed me your
gracious letter of May 13th suggesting arrange-
ments under which he may be of assistance to
the Navy for theoretical research on explo-
sives and explosions.
In talking over the matter with Professor
Einstein he and I have both come to the
conclusion that probably the best arrangement
would be for the Navy to make an individual
contract with him on the basis of $25 per day,
Einstein's security clearance was ob-
tained very quickly, and the contract was
signed on May 31 . Soon after that, I made
my second trip to Einstein, taking to him
for consideration one of the toughest
problems that puzzled us at that time. The
problem was whether the detonation of a
torpedo should be initiated in the front or
in the rear.
Richard Hertz
Jun 13, 2022, 3:44:44 AM6/13/22
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The torpedo has to detonate UNDER the middle of the ship.
J. J. Lodder
Jun 13, 2022, 5:19:41 AM6/13/22
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The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
> >
> > They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> > got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance
> > with the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same
> > time after the war ended.
> >
> > fact
> > /fakt/
> > noun
> > a thing that is known or proved to be true.
>
>
> Richard Feynman Facts:
>
> FBI report on Richard Feynman
>
> https://cdn.muckrock.com/foia_documents/Feynman_Master_of_Deception.pdf
>
> https://archive.org/details/RichardFeynmanFBI/page/n33/mode/2up
>
> RICHARD PHILLIPS FEYNMAN was employed in the Theoretical
> Physics Division at Los Alamos, as a scientist from
> 1943 to October 27, 1945. She
> advised her records reflect during 1946 FEYNMAN was listed as
> a consultant at $25.00 per day,
We know for a fact that Feynman was sent to Geneva
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Here are some *facts* about Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman...
> >
> > They both worked for the military building bombs at the same time, and
> > got paid the same amount $25.00 a day. They both had security clearance
> > with the military. They both ended their bomb making work at the same
> > time after the war ended.
> >
> > fact
> > /fakt/
> > noun
> > a thing that is known or proved to be true.
>
>
> Richard Feynman Facts:
>
> FBI report on Richard Feynman
>
> https://cdn.muckrock.com/foia_documents/Feynman_Master_of_Deception.pdf
>
> https://archive.org/details/RichardFeynmanFBI/page/n33/mode/2up
>
> RICHARD PHILLIPS FEYNMAN was employed in the Theoretical
> Physics Division at Los Alamos, as a scientist from
> 1943 to October 27, 1945. She
> advised her records reflect during 1946 FEYNMAN was listed as
> a consultant at $25.00 per day,
for the 1958 United Nations 'Atoms for Peace' conference.
That implies that he was fully trusted.
Remember that Feynman (at Los Alamos)
had been responsible for coordinating
the numerical computation of plutonium implosions,
which is still highly sensitive information.
Optimising a bomb depends on it.
If there had been any doubts about his loyalty
he would not have been allowed to leave the USA, [1]
like for example Linus Pauling,
Jan
[1] Americans are not like Brits.
They don't like those complicated triple cross games.
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