The Relativity Rant
PD
twentieth century science, and got to get greeted at airports by
dignitaries, and got paid for just walking around in Princeton NJ from
a nice house to a nice office and THINKING. Hell, *I* can do THAT!! He
couldn't even keep his socks straight, and we're supposed to believe
what he has to say, even if it makes no sense? Is having wild hair and
a big nose all that's required? If his stuff is so all-fired important,
then it should be understandable by anyone. Hell, *I* can write a
theory that involves no math at all, and is completely understandable
by anyone, and my theory will sound at least as important as his
theory! I expect an advance on a royalty and a written promise that I
will be greeted by at least one dignitary when I accept my appointment
at an Ivy league university to live the rest of my days in comfortable
comfort. Everyone knows it's the engineers who do all the work, not the
scientists. The scientists just dream crazy stuff up, and then
engineers have the job of figuring out which of it is usable at all and
putting it to work. But does anybody swoon when Homer Buttflame,
engineering wunderkind, goes on the lecture circuit?? Nooooo! They all
swoon and sigh when it's Brian F-ing GREEEEENE though, don't they? No
glory for engineers thank you, only for those who open their mouths and
don't make any sense! Well, I've got a plan. This can NOT be that hard!
How much work is it to catch up with a few books to learn what is
currently known? How hard can it be to just take it to the next level
with just a little creative thinking and some Einstein-style gedinker
experiments? Hell, I've got time. I'm retired! All the time in the
world! And I can mismatch socks and neglect to comb my hair like the
best of them. A book! I'll publish a BOOK! I'll be rich!
Status:
spaceman -- gone
Monitek -- gone
Traveler -- gone
Don1 -- gone
hanson -- remarkably quiet lately
TomGee -- wounded, possibly mortally
Androcles -- rendered irrelevant
Seto -- still oblivious
Porat -- still determined to find glory
Golden Boar -- deteriorating
PD
PD
Wilson! How could I have forgotten Wilson? -- still foaming
>
> PD
dda1
Must add:
Vert - still writing cretinisms
GSS- new imbecile, active
dda1
manesiro- new cretin, seems to have shifted his interest to the Bad
astronomy Forum where he's getting whacked
dda1
dda1
stopping this cretin.
dda1
dda1
Golden Boar
disagreement as to whether charge is more fundamental than current. My
answer to that was that charge is obviously more fundamental as you
can't have a flow of charge without a charge, but you can have a charge
without a flow of charge. That led PD to throw a wobbler about the
nature of fundamentality and to ask a series of questions, some of
which I could answer, and some I could not. Instead of responding to my
last reply he decided to write this thread instead.
And look at that, he says I'm deteriorating. I best get to a doctor
quickly.
But even worse, he lumps me in the same list as Porat.
PD
Golden Boar wrote:
> Hah, this thread has basically came about beasuse me and PD had a
> disagreement as to whether charge is more fundamental than current.
Don't flatter yourself.
> My
> answer to that was that charge is obviously more fundamental as you
> can't have a flow of charge without a charge, but you can have a charge
> without a flow of charge. That led PD to throw a wobbler about the
> nature of fundamentality and to ask a series of questions, some of
> which I could answer, and some I could not. Instead of responding to my
> last reply he decided to write this thread instead.
>
> And look at that, he says I'm deteriorating. I best get to a doctor
> quickly.
> But even worse, he lumps me in the same list as Porat.
Yup.
PD
Golden Boar
PD wrote:
> Golden Boar wrote:
> > Hah, this thread has basically came about beasuse me and PD had a
> > disagreement as to whether charge is more fundamental than current.
>
> Don't flatter yourself.
Well I guess it was just coincidence that you wrote this after not
being able to find fault with my arguments.
PD
Golden Boar wrote:
> PD wrote:
> > Golden Boar wrote:
> > > Hah, this thread has basically came about beasuse me and PD had a
> > > disagreement as to whether charge is more fundamental than current.
> >
> > Don't flatter yourself.
>
> Well I guess it was just coincidence that you wrote this after not
> being able to find fault with my arguments.
Don't flatter yourself. I have more to do than to respond to your posts
immediately. I'll get to your post. Don't be so needy, ok? It's
unattractive.
PD
dda1
Bill Hobba
"Golden Boar" <golde...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148420989.1...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hah, this thread has basically came about beasuse me and PD had a
> disagreement as to whether charge is more fundamental than current. My
> answer to that was that charge is obviously more fundamental as you
> can't have a flow of charge without a charge, but you can have a charge
> without a flow of charge. That led PD to throw a wobbler about the
> nature of fundamentality and to ask a series of questions, some of
> which I could answer, and some I could not. Instead of responding to my
> last reply he decided to write this thread instead.
I don't recall the thread but please be aware that the idea of classical
point charges is problematical - it leads to all sorts of problems such as
infinite fields and acasual runaway solutions. The answer actually lies in
QM and believe it or not current comes from that more naturally than point
charges.
>
> And look at that, he says I'm deteriorating. I best get to a doctor
> quickly.
> But even worse, he lumps me in the same list as Porat.
You are not in Porats class and it is fervently hoped you never will be.
Thanks
Bill
Paul Cardinale
PD wrote:
> I don't see why Einstein gets the glory and the credit for changing
> twentieth century science, and got to get greeted at airports by
> dignitaries, and got paid for just walking around in Princeton NJ from
> a nice house to a nice office and THINKING. Hell, *I* can do THAT!! He
> couldn't even keep his socks straight, and we're supposed to believe
> what he has to say, even if it makes no sense? Is having wild hair and
> a big nose all that's required? If his stuff is so all-fired important,
> then it should be understandable by anyone.
Ah, yes! The fundamental importance test of theories: "If someone
doesn't understand it, then it's not important." :-)
Paul Cardinale
The Sorcerer
"PD" <TheDrap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
[sarcasm snipped, you are no match for Ghost]
| > Status:
| > spaceman -- gone
| > Monitek -- gone
| > Traveler -- gone
| > Don1 -- gone
| > hanson -- remarkably quiet lately
| > TomGee -- wounded, possibly mortally
| > Androcles -- rendered irrelevant
| > Seto -- still oblivious
| > Porat -- still determined to find glory
| > Golden Boar -- deteriorating
|
| Wilson! How could I have forgotten Wilson? -- still foaming
|
| >
| > PD
Phuckwit Duck - still dreaming, still wounded, still irrelevant, still
oblivious,
still determined to troll, still deteriorated, still foaming at the mouth
and still
as boring, dishonest, self-contradictory and as transparent as ever.
"Why would you [say/think/suppose/want to do/believe] that?" -- Phuckwit
Duck.
A simple question designed by a troll for trolls everywhere.
I am still answering questions honestly.
I am irrelevant to you because you choose to ignore reality and you
are a lying cunt, proven.
Androcles, still kicking butt.
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I
tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because
I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. " -- Robert
A. Heinlein
The Sorcerer
| > Status:
| > spaceman -- gone
| > Monitek -- gone
| > Traveler -- gone
| > Don1 -- gone
| > hanson -- remarkably quiet lately
| > TomGee -- wounded, possibly mortally
| > Androcles -- rendered irrelevant
| > Seto -- still oblivious
| > Porat -- still determined to find glory
| > Golden Boar -- deteriorating
|
| Wilson! How could I have forgotten Wilson? -- still foaming
|
| >
| > PD
Phuckwit Duck - still dreaming, still wounded, still irrelevant, still
oblivious, still determined to troll, still deteriorated, still foaming
at the mouth and still as boring, dishonest, self-contradictory and
as transparent as ever, still afraid of reality.
Uncle Alice - gone.
Baez - good as gone.
George Hammond - still trying to say "God made Relativity".
Dork Van de merde - still trying to find out who's who and who he is.
Tusselad - good as gone, Wilson can have him.
Humpty Roberts - still trying to explain the meaning of words
I am still answering questions honestly and sometimes humorously.
I am irrelevant to you because you choose to ignore reality and you
are a lying cunt, proven.
"Why would you [say/think/suppose/want to do/believe] that?" -- Phuckwit
Duck.
A simple question designed by a troll for trolls everywhere.
Androcles, still kicking butt.
The Sorcerer
"Golden Boar" <golde...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148420989.1...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Phuckwit Duck is an incompetent cunt and a troll.
He's been peeved for years, ever since he said:
" I have to admit that I am demoralized at the moment.
I had hoped that we could fight ignorance with a proactive rather
than a reactive approach, but this is clearly the improper forum for
that. A quick survey of the length of threads initiated by or
drifting
to nonsense compared to the length of threads based on sound thinking
reveals the true interest in the proposal.
While it would be a useful project to contribute to the FAQ, the
intent was to educate in the context of discussion, a virtual
"classroom" if you will. There's no point in contributing to a
reference that none of the "students" will read or attempt to learn
from. The intention was to focus on *exactly* what is wrong in
someone's thinking (which varies from person to person), set it
straight, and then make progress from there.
I had high hopes -- really -- that perhaps one misguided soul would
read something sensible and say, "Oh... Really?...Oh. I see I was
confused. OK, I get it now. Now what about...?" My head knew better,
my heart does not.
[sitting in the duck blind, waiting with a shotgun for a duck to
appear] "
As you can see, the thread has drifted into nonsense. To
Phuckwit Duck, "sound thinking" means his way or the highway.
Aint no way HE is ever going to say "Oh... Really?...Oh. I see I was
confused. OK, I get it now. Now what about...?"
He's the typical bigot and a lying cunt too. Let his heart hurt, who gives
a fuck about his lousy emotions?
Androcles.
dda1
Koobee Wublee
news:1148449885.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The other Australian cretin: Kobee-Wublee
I am an Antartican not an Aussie like Bill Hobba. You have also
misspelled my name. My name is 'Koobee Wublee'. Please make a note of
it.
Also, you are insulting Dr. Draper. Has it ever occurred to you that
he did intentionally leave me out of his crackpot list?
Of course, as we all know. I am on Dirk Van de moortel's list which is
no big deal because Dirk Van de moortel is an imbecile. In fact, it is
very honorable to be referred to as a crackpot by a nicompoop.
The Sorcerer
"Paul Cardinale" <pcard...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF
What part of "hoax" do you not understand, shithead? :-)
Androcles.
The Sorcerer
"Koobee Wublee" <koobee...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| "dda1" <ranger...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:1148449885.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| > The other Australian cretin: Kobee-Wublee
|
| I am an Antartican not an Aussie like Bill Hobba. You have also
| misspelled my name. My name is 'Koobee Wublee'. Please make a note of
| it.
|
| Also, you are insulting Dr. Draper.
Do you mean Phuckwit Duck?
If so you misspelt his name. I insult the lying cunt often.
| Has it ever occurred to you that
| he did intentionally leave me out of his crackpot list?
Yes, it was mean of him, sorry you couldn't make it.
|
| Of course, as we all know. I am on Dirk Van de moortel's list which is
| no big deal because Dirk Van de moortel is an imbecile. In fact, it is
| very honorable to be referred to as a crackpot by a nicompoop.
|
Another name misspelt. It is "Dork Van de merde"...
I know what a nincompoop is, what's a nicompoop, shit in Nikes?
Androcles.
Jem
You do a good job of exposing them PD, but they were all outed before.
They keep coming back. Even Marshall Dillon couldn't run 'em out of
town for good.
PD
Oh, I know. I just hope that one or two of them have been outed enough
that they don't think it's so much fun to pretend anymore.
dead_paul
>> >
>> > Status:
>> > spaceman -- gone
>> > Monitek -- gone
>> > Traveler -- gone
>> > Don1 -- gone
>> > hanson -- remarkably quiet lately
>> > TomGee -- wounded, possibly mortally
>> > Androcles -- rendered irrelevant
>> > Seto -- still oblivious
>> > Porat -- still determined to find glory Golden Boar -- deteriorating
>> >
>> > PD
>> >
>> >
>> You do a good job of exposing them PD, but they were all outed before.
What is all this crap about?
>
> Oh, I know. I just hope that one or two of them have been outed enough
> that they don't think it's so much fun to pretend anymore.
And this?
>> They keep coming back. Even Marshall Dillon couldn't run 'em out of
>> town for good.
You can't even handle basic KE problems!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you think you are some sort of guardian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO
you conceited loser.
plonk!
dda1
Dirk Van de moortel
"dda1" <ranger...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1148480004.3...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Another miss: Marcel Luttgens
One of my personal favourites :-)
Dirk Vdm
dda1
and
David Thomson
Koobee Wublee
> The other Australian cretin: Kobee-Wublee
Dr. Draper still owes me the following answers.
** Why is the Twin's Paradox a puzzle but not quest to establish the
existence of ghosts, yetis, Locke Ness monster?
** Why is the concept of spacetime a solid guess but not Golden Boars'
many guesses? If the establishment of spacetime is only a solid guess,
why does he not find the derivation of spacetime from Lorentz
Transformation handwaving?
PD
Koobee Wublee wrote:
> "dda1" <ranger...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1148449885.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > The other Australian cretin: Kobee-Wublee
>
> Dr. Draper still owes me the following answers.
Why would I owe you answers to these questions? These aren't questions
about physics. These are questions about why some things seem
mysterious to you.
There are no ghosts. There is no magic.
The Sorcerer
|
| Koobee Wublee wrote:
| > "dda1" <ranger...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:1148449885.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| > > The other Australian cretin: Kobee-Wublee
| >
| > Dr. Draper still owes me the following answers.
|
| Why would I owe you answers to these questions? These aren't questions
| about physics. These are questions about why some things seem
| mysterious to you.
|
| There are no ghosts. There is no magic.
Sure there are.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/Smart.htm
Androcles.
PD
dda1 wrote:
> Another miss: Marcel Luttgens
Also gone. He hasn't posted in quite a while, after saying things that
must have made him blush even as he typed them.
PD
PD
dead_paul wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2006 06:33:27 -0700, PD wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> > Status:
> >> > spaceman -- gone
> >> > Monitek -- gone
> >> > Traveler -- gone
> >> > Don1 -- gone
> >> > hanson -- remarkably quiet lately
> >> > TomGee -- wounded, possibly mortally
> >> > Androcles -- rendered irrelevant
> >> > Seto -- still oblivious
> >> > Porat -- still determined to find glory Golden Boar -- deteriorating
> >> >
> >> > PD
> >> >
> >> >
> >> You do a good job of exposing them PD, but they were all outed before.
>
> What is all this crap about?
>
> >
> > Oh, I know. I just hope that one or two of them have been outed enough
> > that they don't think it's so much fun to pretend anymore.
>
> And this?
>
> >> They keep coming back. Even Marshall Dillon couldn't run 'em out of
> >> town for good.
>
> You can't even handle basic KE problems!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such as what?
> And you think you are some sort of guardian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nonsense. I just poke at them if they say something stupid. They exit,
stage left, on their own when they realize they're not having the fun
they expected they would have. No one has the power to boot someone out
of the group, as you can plainly see.
Now say something, and see if you get poked at.
Dirk Van de moortel
"PD" <TheDrap...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1148562201....@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Perhaps you have a filter on Luttgens?
He's back alright.
In fact, he's back every six weeks.
Dirk Vdm
AllYou!
> Status:
> spaceman -- gone
> Monitek -- gone
> Traveler -- gone
> Don1 -- gone
> hanson -- remarkably quiet lately
> TomGee -- wounded, possibly mortally
> Androcles -- rendered irrelevant
> Seto -- still oblivious
> Porat -- still determined to find glory
> Golden Boar -- deteriorating
It's too bad that was your goal. Only a pyrrhic victory there.
PD
It's not my goal. It's an observation.
However, in many of these cases, I think it's worthwhile -- maybe it's
just me -- to root out *exactly* what the underlying issue is when
someone rants about relativity and Einstein. Since in many cases it's
not really about the science at all (evidenced by a profound
disinterest in actually doing or learning science), it seems to be
motivated by something else entirely. In such cases, discussing the
physics is pointless except to show that what they are doing is not
science at all but just pretending like science. Once that is exposed,
the obvious question is, "So why would you want to just *pretend* to do
science, rather than really do science? What's the point?" When that
question is heard and understood, that is sometimes the moment a crank
disappears, at least for a while. I'd hope that it's not because
they've been embarassed or shamed, but instead because they realize
that they're just wasting their own valuable time putting on a little
puppet show that no one cares about.
PD
Paul B. Andersen
> I am still answering questions honestly and sometimes humorously.
Quite.
Your answers exposing your honest ignorance are indeed hilarious.
Paul
The Sorcerer
"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b....@hiadeletethis.no> wrote in message
news:e5d49l$o2d$1...@dolly.uninett.no...
And you are a lying troll (proven).
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/LIAR/LIAR.htm
Androcles.
xray4abc
> spaceman -- gone
> Monitek -- gone
> Traveler -- gone
> Don1 -- gone
> hanson -- remarkably quiet lately
> TomGee -- wounded, possibly mortally
> Androcles -- rendered irrelevant
> Seto -- still oblivious
> Porat -- still determined to find glory
> Golden Boar -- deteriorating
>
I liked your post.
I will proofread your book ! ( You really show signs of talent)
Regular charge will apply!
LL
dda1
Hayek
and
Bhanwara aka Mukesh Prasad
surrealis...@hotmail.com
PD wrote:
> I don't see why Einstein gets the glory and the credit for changing
> twentieth century science, and got to get greeted at airports by
> dignitaries, and got paid for just walking around in Princeton NJ from
> a nice house to a nice office and THINKING.
Wear a saffron robe at the airport -- it's what in these days. People
will at least notice you, poor thing.
>Hell, *I* can do THAT!! He
> couldn't even keep his socks straight, and we're supposed to believe
> what he has to say, even if it makes no sense? Is having wild hair and
> a big nose all that's required?
It would be nice if all ad hominem comments were stricken from this NG.
> If his stuff is so all-fired important,
> then it should be understandable by anyone.
I see no logic in that claim. The sewing machine is more relevant to
people, yet few understand how it works, and few care. It's physics NG
retirees who get bent out of shape at modern physics, not the man in
the street. You don't speak for him. And understanding is where you
care to find it. If you can't understand SR, you're hopeless in
physics. Just quite thinking in classical mechanical terms or you'll
never get SR!
>Hell, *I* can write a
> theory that involves no math at all, and is completely understandable
> by anyone, and my theory will sound at least as important as his
> theory!
Go for it.
>I expect an advance on a royalty and a written promise that I
> will be greeted by at least one dignitary when I accept my appointment
> at an Ivy league university to live the rest of my days in comfortable
> comfort. Everyone knows it's the engineers who do all the work, not the
> scientists.
All Einstein wanted to accomplish with his 1905 SR paper was to revamp
electrodynamics to be consistent with the PoR and thereby to
deconstruct the mechanical ether of Lorentz, which he felt violated the
spirit of the PoR. That much is unremarkable. But in that effort to
realize that humble goal, he found that time could not be defined
absolutely -- and that is remarkable, but not to Einstein, since he was
only interested in simplicity and not philosophy per se. It's only the
sellers of relativity that make a big deal out of relative time.
>The scientists just dream crazy stuff up, and then
> engineers have the job of figuring out which of it is usable at all and
> putting it to work.
Newton dreamed up some crazy stuff too. Like action-at-a-distance.
>But does anybody swoon when Homer Buttflame,
> engineering wunderkind, goes on the lecture circuit?? Nooooo! They all
> swoon and sigh when it's Brian F-ing GREEEEENE though, don't they? No
> glory for engineers thank you,
Which engineers should get glory in the public arena?
> only for those who open their mouths and
> don't make any sense! Well, I've got a plan. This can NOT be that hard!
> How much work is it to catch up with a few books to learn what is
> currently known? How hard can it be to just take it to the next level
> with just a little creative thinking and some Einstein-style gedinker
> experiments? Hell, I've got time. I'm retired!
Retirees are the bane of this NG.
>All the time in the
> world!
Give up on physics and take a very long, well-deserved vacation. You've
earned it!