The Fundamental Problem of Physics
Pentcho Valev
"But physics is also a field in which millions of taxpayer dollars are
spent every year. Now physics has an accountability problem and the
only possible auditors are other physicists. As the field reels from
what may be the biggest fraud in its history, scientists across the
world are alarmed: Bad science can cost lives -- think of the untested
O-rings on the space shuttle Challenger that froze stiff and caused the
ship's tragic explosion. But what about phony science?"
Pentcho Valev
Dirk Van de moortel
"Pentcho Valev" <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1138526635....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It seems that Pentcho Valev ignores the differences between
- bad science and bad engineering,
- bad engineering and bad cost management.
Pentcho Valev is working hard to become a caricature of himself.
Up until now we have established that Pentcho Valev ignores the
differences between:
- bad science and bad engineering,
- bad engineering and bad cost management,
- honing the foundations of a theory and fighting it,
- physics and linguistics,
- an article written in 1905 and a theory created in 1915,
- understanding a book and turning its pages,
- speed and relative (aka closing) speed,
- doing algebra and randomly writing down symbols,
- real life and a Usenet hobby group,
- receiving a detailed reply and being ignored,
- the three things that smell like fish,
- inertial and non-inertial,
- speed and velocity,
- an article and a book,
- relativity and disguised ether addiction,
- algebra and analytic geometry,
- kneeling down and bending over,
- local and global,
- a sycophant in English and in French,
- a relation and an equation,
- massive and massless particles,
- a Mexican poncho and a Sears poncho,
- implication and equivalence,
- group velocity and phase velocity,
- science and religion
Dirk Vdm
donsto...@hotmail.com
Sue...
You miss the point. Had the O rings held, a B movie actor could
have portayed himself as someone who knows as much
about physics as his wife knows about psychics.
Projecting this sort of political image is invaluable in times
when you may need to occupy a county with 1/3 the
necessary personel or win a election the support of only
20 percent of the electorate.
This kind of political power is invaluable...
Well worth risking the lives of a few jet-jocks. ;-)
"Feynman's Appendix to the Rogers Commission
Report on the Space Shuttle Challenger Accident"
http://www.ralentz.com/old/space/feynman-report.html
Sue...
Ben Rudiak-Gould
> You miss the point. Had the O rings held, a B movie actor could
> have portayed himself as someone who knows as much
> about physics as his wife knows about psychics.
The persistent rumor that the White House had ordered the
flight to proceed in order to spice up President Reagan’s
scheduled State of the Union address seems based on political
motivations, not any direct testimony or other first-hand
evidence. Feynman personally checked out the rumor and never
found any substantiation. If Challenger's flight had gone
according to plan, the crew would have been asleep at the
time of Reagan's speech, and no communications links had been
set up.
-- from "7 myths about the Challenger shuttle disaster"
by James Oberg, http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/
(Note that I can't vouch for the accuracy of this information.)
-- Ben
Sue...
I'll vouch for the acting and so will Helen Thomas.
It was the greatest perfomance of his career.
His protege has already outdone him tho.
More camera time, more air crews lost, more debt and
more bushfires kindled. :-(
Sue...
Mike
Pentcho Valev wrote:
>"... Bad science can cost lives -- think of the untested
> O-rings on the space shuttle Challenger that froze stiff and caused the
> ship's tragic explosion. But what about phony science?"
>
> Pentcho Valev
Science has always been phony and it will always be that way, unless
humans concentrate on what is immediately given and measurable rather
than on what can be postulated. But that requires a major paradigm
shift of enormous proportions. Yes, those that fought Logical
Positivism today enjoy the rip off gains of their victory at the
expense of a planet population with avg IQ below 90 with people who
take seriously the big bang, black holes, frame dragging, spacetime,
and the rest of the boggies and think these are truths for granted and
beyond any dispute.
The epitomy of the whole thing is the fight between Intelligent
designers and evolutionists, a fight carefully designed to distract
attention from the main issues and turn people into fanatics. Every day
more and more scientists fall into the trap and take sides of a really
no issue, since intelligent design searches for a first cause and
science just for models of the effects of whatever causes, first or
final, are there.
Now about Q-rings: simulation is phony science. How many NASA engineers
can build a prototype and test it under real conditions? Most of the
geeks sit in front of a PC and "simulate". NASA has got to pay the
prise for giving too much weight to simulations and forgetting that
science is all about REAL measurement and testing.
Make Logical Positivism your doctrine or perish in the absurdities of
the first Einstein that comes your way.
Mike
Dirk Van de moortel
"Mike"
aka Bill Smith
aka Eleatis
aka Undeniable
<ele...@yahoo.gr> wrote in message news:1138556253.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Pentcho Valev wrote:
>
> >"... Bad science can cost lives -- think of the untested
> > O-rings on the space shuttle Challenger that froze stiff and caused the
> > ship's tragic explosion. But what about phony science?"
> >
> > Pentcho Valev
>
> Science has always been phony and it will always be that way, unless
> humans concentrate on what is immediately given and measurable rather
than giving just one answer and "stocking" with it?
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/StockWithIt.html
Dirk Vdm
Mike
Only an idiot could laugh with a typo. Don't you think Dirt van der
Merde people are getting sick of your constant exhibition of stupidity?
You are now "plonked" for good idiot. Anyway, you contribute nothing in
these ng's other than psychosis and stupidity. I stick with it now and
you "stock" your merde some place else.
Mike
Dirk Van de moortel
"Mike"
aka Bill Smith
aka Eleatis
aka Undeniable
Okay, start "hidding behind your own ratten fingure"
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/RattenFingure.html
:-)
Dirk Vdm
Michael Varney
Plonked for good, huh.
Well, I will continue to read his fumbles page, and laugh at twits such
as yourself.
Ha ha ha.
Dirk Van de moortel
"Michael Varney" <var...@collorado.edu> wrote in message news:drj44i$3kp$2...@peabody.colorado.edu...
If I counted correctly, it's the third time.
The first one must have been for bad, the second for
worse.
Dirk Vdm
The Ghost In The Machine
<ele...@yahoo.gr>
wrote
on 29 Jan 2006 09:37:33 -0800
<1138556253.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
SR/GR predict multiple issues when it comes to various phenomena.
Accelerators in particular have to properly deal with the mass-gain
(by adjusting their frequency as the beam moves around its path),
or they will malfunction. GPS satellites are deliberately detuned
prior to launch so that, when in orbit, the steering logic that
adjusts their clocks need not work nearly as hard. Astronomy
routinely assumes GR when it comes to orbits and stellar observations.
One would hope that simulations of our nuclear bombs are accurate
enough, but that's not science -- it's simulation. I agree there.
I hope it's useful anyway.
As for intelligent design -- evolution is routinely observed (and
having to be dealt with!) in microbiota.
I'm not sure about the O-rings. That's not science either, but a
form of engineering; basically, the O-rings didn't perform to their
specifications, leading to a disaster. (This might be differentiated
from Chernobyl, where the system was deliberately put out of whack;
various components there were exposed to conditions they were never
designed for. However, it's also not clear whether the O-rings
where designed to handle long duration freezing temperatures, either.)
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.
Mike
With idiots and cranks like you, I get to see what the Merde posts
althought he is royally plonked. (Add this to you list stupid).
I mean he's got no life. However spends time to create websites to list
what other people post in these ngs, good or bad, is a no life and a
psycho. I did not look at these grous for a week now maybe. First thing
when I logged in, I see this idot and you ( the crank) posting all over
the place like a maniac.
Now, I won;t plonk you crank because when I read your posts I laugh so
hard I do not have to pay for comedy any more.
Mike
Mike
Michael Varney
Quit projecting, crackpot.