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Richard Hertz
Oct 17, 2021, 12:44:18 AM10/17/21
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Seriously and with all the respect that death deserves to me, I started to
wonder this in the last couple of years, after reading his biographers and
several Jewish professional in the History of Science.
1) I know that he knew about his worldwide fame. I don't know how did he
feel about that, but he was, after all, the physicist who dethroned Newton.
2) I know that he was admired and respected by the Jewish community to
the point that he was offered the Presidency of Israel in 1952. He turned
it down, stating: "I am deeply moved by the offer from our State of
Israel, and at once saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it".
3) He had tons of awards, recognition from every corner of the world, fame
and was a living icon of science for 36 years, since 1919.
4) I know he had a though life after 1919, with many detractors and enemies.
5) I'm sure that he knew that Newton's mortal rests were lying in an
impressive monument at Westminster Abbey, with the inscription:
"Hic depositum est, quod mortale fuit Isaaci Newtoni", and has
received millions of visitors.
With all of the above, why did Einstein wanted to be cremated and his
ashes scattered at an undisclosed location?
Or there other reasons that didn't involved Einstein final desires?
I really wonder which is the truth behind his death. After all, in this dirty
world, anything but the official history is true. So, why did this happened?
US and Israel had a dispute for the location of his tomb and monument?
I understand that Minkowski mortal rests are in Berlin, after Born delivered the obituary on behalf of the mathematics students from Göttingen.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35103604/hermann-minkowski
Hermann Minkowski Burial
Waldfriedhof Heerstrasse
Charlottenburg, Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf, Berlin, Germany
And Pauli, for instance, is buried at the cemetery of Zollikon, according
to this CERN site:
http://cds.cern.ch/record/42847?ln=en
I keep wonder about what happened. Any idea?
wonder this in the last couple of years, after reading his biographers and
several Jewish professional in the History of Science.
1) I know that he knew about his worldwide fame. I don't know how did he
feel about that, but he was, after all, the physicist who dethroned Newton.
2) I know that he was admired and respected by the Jewish community to
the point that he was offered the Presidency of Israel in 1952. He turned
it down, stating: "I am deeply moved by the offer from our State of
Israel, and at once saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it".
3) He had tons of awards, recognition from every corner of the world, fame
and was a living icon of science for 36 years, since 1919.
4) I know he had a though life after 1919, with many detractors and enemies.
5) I'm sure that he knew that Newton's mortal rests were lying in an
impressive monument at Westminster Abbey, with the inscription:
"Hic depositum est, quod mortale fuit Isaaci Newtoni", and has
received millions of visitors.
With all of the above, why did Einstein wanted to be cremated and his
ashes scattered at an undisclosed location?
Or there other reasons that didn't involved Einstein final desires?
I really wonder which is the truth behind his death. After all, in this dirty
world, anything but the official history is true. So, why did this happened?
US and Israel had a dispute for the location of his tomb and monument?
I understand that Minkowski mortal rests are in Berlin, after Born delivered the obituary on behalf of the mathematics students from Göttingen.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35103604/hermann-minkowski
Hermann Minkowski Burial
Waldfriedhof Heerstrasse
Charlottenburg, Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf, Berlin, Germany
And Pauli, for instance, is buried at the cemetery of Zollikon, according
to this CERN site:
http://cds.cern.ch/record/42847?ln=en
I keep wonder about what happened. Any idea?
Odd Bodkin
Oct 17, 2021, 8:52:02 AM10/17/21
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Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seriously and with all the respect that death deserves to me, I started to
> wonder this in the last couple of years, after reading his biographers and
> several Jewish professional in the History of Science.
>
> 1) I know that he knew about his worldwide fame. I don't know how did he
> feel about that, but he was, after all, the physicist who dethroned Newton.
Newton had no throne, other than awarded by popularizers.
> Seriously and with all the respect that death deserves to me, I started to
> wonder this in the last couple of years, after reading his biographers and
> several Jewish professional in the History of Science.
>
> 1) I know that he knew about his worldwide fame. I don't know how did he
> feel about that, but he was, after all, the physicist who dethroned Newton.
>
> 2) I know that he was admired and respected by the Jewish community to
> the point that he was offered the Presidency of Israel in 1952. He turned
> it down, stating: "I am deeply moved by the offer from our State of
> Israel, and at once saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it".
>
> 3) He had tons of awards, recognition from every corner of the world, fame
> and was a living icon of science for 36 years, since 1919.
>
> 4) I know he had a though life after 1919, with many detractors and enemies.
>
> 5) I'm sure that he knew that Newton's mortal rests were lying in an
> impressive monument at Westminster Abbey, with the inscription:
> "Hic depositum est, quod mortale fuit Isaaci Newtoni", and has
> received millions of visitors.
>
> With all of the above, why did Einstein wanted to be cremated and his
> ashes scattered at an undisclosed location?
>
> Or there other reasons that didn't involved Einstein final desires?
>
> I really wonder which is the truth behind his death. After all, in this dirty
> world, anything but the official history is true. So, why did this happened?
expresses nothing more than that interest, without an agenda of appending
judgment on the validity of the scientific work.
If you stuck to posts like this, Richard, you’d get a whole lot less flak
for saying silly things.
>
> US and Israel had a dispute for the location of his tomb and monument?
>
> I understand that Minkowski mortal rests are in Berlin, after Born
> delivered the obituary on behalf of the mathematics students from Göttingen.
>
> https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35103604/hermann-minkowski
>
> Hermann Minkowski Burial
> Waldfriedhof Heerstrasse
> Charlottenburg, Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf, Berlin, Germany
>
> And Pauli, for instance, is buried at the cemetery of Zollikon, according
> to this CERN site:
>
> http://cds.cern.ch/record/42847?ln=en
>
> I keep wonder about what happened. Any idea?
>
>
>
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
The Starmaker
Oct 17, 2021, 1:38:54 PM10/17/21
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Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> With all of the above, why did Einstein wanted to be cremated and his
> ashes scattered at an undisclosed location?
If you disclose the location...people would take it and sell it on ebay.
>
> With all of the above, why did Einstein wanted to be cremated and his
> ashes scattered at an undisclosed location?
How much would Albert Einstein ashes go for at an auction???
"Going once, going twice, sold!"
They already stole his brain...
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.
Dirk Van de moortel
Oct 17, 2021, 2:00:38 PM10/17/21
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Op 17-okt.-2021 om 14:51 schreef Odd Bodkin:
That post was just an introductory warm-up for the real agenda.
The silliest things are on their way. Hold up your trousers.
Dirk Vdm
The silliest things are on their way. Hold up your trousers.
Dirk Vdm
Richard Hertz
Oct 17, 2021, 2:33:15 PM10/17/21
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"Paranoia is the irrational and persistent feeling that people are 'out to get you' or that you are the subject of
persistent, intrusive attention by others. This unfounded mistrust of others can make it difficult for a person
with paranoia to function socially or have close relationships.
See Dirk? This definition fits you perfectly, imbecile.
Anyway, you didn't risk any opinion. I have one or two, but I want to know others. I mentioned a political row
between Israel and US as a possible cause, with disregard of what really was Einstein's final desire which, as
far as I know, is not available in properly certified papers.
Einstein declared that he was agnostic, not atheist.
"Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god. However, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a
god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it's impossible for human beings to know anything about how
the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist."
I adhere to the closing paragraph, for which it's not possible to know anything about the origin of the universe
or the atoms. And this involve my positions on cosmology and atomic physics, in particular BBT and sub-sub
atomic physics, like the shitty theories about quarks, gluons, sub-quark peons, etc.
But, maybe, desires to discover antigravity (dark energy) and infinite sources of energy (sub-nuclear physics)
is what drives research in those areas. PERHAPS.
The Starmaker
Oct 17, 2021, 2:49:17 PM10/17/21
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The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> >
> > With all of the above, why did Einstein wanted to be cremated and his
> > ashes scattered at an undisclosed location?
>
> If you disclose the location...people would take it and sell it on ebay.
>
> How much would Albert Einstein ashes go for at an auction???
>
> "Going once, going twice, sold!"
>
> They already stole his brain...
"Anyone who does not number among these reptiles is certainly happy, ..." -Albert Einstein
>
> Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> >
> > With all of the above, why did Einstein wanted to be cremated and his
> > ashes scattered at an undisclosed location?
>
> If you disclose the location...people would take it and sell it on ebay.
>
> How much would Albert Einstein ashes go for at an auction???
>
> "Going once, going twice, sold!"
>
> They already stole his brain...
"If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated." -Albert Einstein
I guess that is why Albert Einstein sticks his tongue out on people...
he is communicating with reptiles.
Reptile definition is - an animal that moves on its legs
mitchr...@gmail.com
Oct 17, 2021, 2:58:38 PM10/17/21
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You shouldn't believe everything you read.
Observer Created reality is proven not to exist.
You can believe science's experiment that
showed Einstein was right all along.
That is believable instead.
The 2 slit test showed without an observer
Light still keeps the same result... which
is against Bohr's prediction. Einstein won.
Mitchell Raemsch
Observer Created reality is proven not to exist.
You can believe science's experiment that
showed Einstein was right all along.
That is believable instead.
The 2 slit test showed without an observer
Light still keeps the same result... which
is against Bohr's prediction. Einstein won.
Mitchell Raemsch
Richard Hertz
Oct 17, 2021, 6:58:43 PM10/17/21
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An excerpt from the official site of Princeton History:
What doesn't say here is that the administrators FORCED HIM TO RETIRE at his 65 birthday, and that they
wanted to CUT BY HALF his salary as a pension. Einstein fought this attempt using every tool at hand, even
menacing to go to the press to tell everything. Finally, a pension equal to his last salary was granted.
I don't know how did he used his money, as he was rather modest with his expenditures. But he had his ego
brushed since the first days that he came to US. I remember that he took offense for an action of peer-reviewing
one article (around 1936, Physical Review), which caused him to withdraw the paper from the publisher. He published
through Annals of Mathematics and Canadian Journal of Mathematics his last 7 papers in the next decade, half
of them co-authored with Straus, Infeld and Kaufman, and about GR and classical unified field.
By the way, Einstein had suggested a salary of $3,000 but Princeton didn't want other scholars being paid more than
Einstein, and increased the salary to $10,000, which was about $55,000 when adjusted by inflation to 2017. Good money,
considering that his house was also paid by Princeton. So, he had means to enjoy life a little.
Maybe, he was mad with establishment in his final decade, particularly with his "forced" retirement? At any case, Princeton
allowed him to work at the Institute once he retired, but maybe he didn't like at all how they managed this subject.
It can be very painful to realize that he was not at the peak of physics, and took offense with this movement?
https://princetonhistory.org/research/historic-princeton/albert-einstein/
**********************************************************************
Institute for Advanced Study
“. . .a haven where scholars and scientists may regard the world and its phenomena as their laboratory without being carried off in the maelstrom of the immediate.”
– Abraham Flexner, 1931
The Institute for Advanced Study was founded in 1930 by noted educator Abraham Flexner, with funding from department store magnate Louis Bamberger and his sister Mrs. Felix Fuld. Advised to begin this experiment with one field of study, Flexner chose mathematics because it was a fundamental subject which required the smallest investment in buildings or books; there was also greater agreement on the identity of the most eminent mathematicians than on leading scholars in other disciplines.
Flexner first recruited noted mathematicians from Princeton University to join the Institute, such as Oswald Veblen, a Princeton University mathematician and the Institute’s first faculty member. Einstein, recruited directly from Europe, accepted a faculty position in August, 1932. During the 1930s, Flexner broadened the scope of the Institute by including established scholars in economics, politics, and humanistic studies.
Throughout his tenure at the Institute, Einstein worked closely with numerous assistants on his unified field theory. Although Einstein officially retired from the Institute in 1945, he continued his research there until his death in 1955.
**********************************************************************
What doesn't say here is that the administrators FORCED HIM TO RETIRE at his 65 birthday, and that they
wanted to CUT BY HALF his salary as a pension. Einstein fought this attempt using every tool at hand, even
menacing to go to the press to tell everything. Finally, a pension equal to his last salary was granted.
I don't know how did he used his money, as he was rather modest with his expenditures. But he had his ego
brushed since the first days that he came to US. I remember that he took offense for an action of peer-reviewing
one article (around 1936, Physical Review), which caused him to withdraw the paper from the publisher. He published
through Annals of Mathematics and Canadian Journal of Mathematics his last 7 papers in the next decade, half
of them co-authored with Straus, Infeld and Kaufman, and about GR and classical unified field.
By the way, Einstein had suggested a salary of $3,000 but Princeton didn't want other scholars being paid more than
Einstein, and increased the salary to $10,000, which was about $55,000 when adjusted by inflation to 2017. Good money,
considering that his house was also paid by Princeton. So, he had means to enjoy life a little.
Maybe, he was mad with establishment in his final decade, particularly with his "forced" retirement? At any case, Princeton
allowed him to work at the Institute once he retired, but maybe he didn't like at all how they managed this subject.
It can be very painful to realize that he was not at the peak of physics, and took offense with this movement?
https://princetonhistory.org/research/historic-princeton/albert-einstein/
**********************************************************************
Institute for Advanced Study
“. . .a haven where scholars and scientists may regard the world and its phenomena as their laboratory without being carried off in the maelstrom of the immediate.”
– Abraham Flexner, 1931
The Institute for Advanced Study was founded in 1930 by noted educator Abraham Flexner, with funding from department store magnate Louis Bamberger and his sister Mrs. Felix Fuld. Advised to begin this experiment with one field of study, Flexner chose mathematics because it was a fundamental subject which required the smallest investment in buildings or books; there was also greater agreement on the identity of the most eminent mathematicians than on leading scholars in other disciplines.
Flexner first recruited noted mathematicians from Princeton University to join the Institute, such as Oswald Veblen, a Princeton University mathematician and the Institute’s first faculty member. Einstein, recruited directly from Europe, accepted a faculty position in August, 1932. During the 1930s, Flexner broadened the scope of the Institute by including established scholars in economics, politics, and humanistic studies.
Throughout his tenure at the Institute, Einstein worked closely with numerous assistants on his unified field theory. Although Einstein officially retired from the Institute in 1945, he continued his research there until his death in 1955.
**********************************************************************
Odd Bodkin
Oct 17, 2021, 7:49:46 PM10/17/21
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Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> An excerpt from the official site of Princeton History:
>
> What doesn't say here is that the administrators FORCED HIM TO RETIRE at
> his 65 birthday, and that they
> wanted to CUT BY HALF his salary as a pension. Einstein fought this
> attempt using every tool at hand, even
> menacing to go to the press to tell everything. Finally, a pension equal
> to his last salary was granted.
>
> I don't know how did he used his money, as he was rather modest with his
> expenditures. But he had his ego
> brushed since the first days that he came to US. I remember that he took
> offense for an action of peer-reviewing
> one article (around 1936, Physical Review), which caused him to withdraw
> the paper from the publisher. He published
> through Annals of Mathematics and Canadian Journal of Mathematics his
> last 7 papers in the next decade, half
> of them co-authored with Straus, Infeld and Kaufman, and about GR and
> classical unified field.
>
> By the way, Einstein had suggested a salary of $3,000 but Princeton
> didn't want other scholars being paid more than
> Einstein, and increased the salary to $10,000, which was about $55,000
> when adjusted by inflation to 2017. Good money,
> considering that his house was also paid by Princeton. So, he had means
> to enjoy life a little.
FWIW, professorial salaries at state universities are published publicly.
> An excerpt from the official site of Princeton History:
>
> What doesn't say here is that the administrators FORCED HIM TO RETIRE at
> his 65 birthday, and that they
> wanted to CUT BY HALF his salary as a pension. Einstein fought this
> attempt using every tool at hand, even
> menacing to go to the press to tell everything. Finally, a pension equal
> to his last salary was granted.
>
> I don't know how did he used his money, as he was rather modest with his
> expenditures. But he had his ego
> brushed since the first days that he came to US. I remember that he took
> offense for an action of peer-reviewing
> one article (around 1936, Physical Review), which caused him to withdraw
> the paper from the publisher. He published
> through Annals of Mathematics and Canadian Journal of Mathematics his
> last 7 papers in the next decade, half
> of them co-authored with Straus, Infeld and Kaufman, and about GR and
> classical unified field.
>
> By the way, Einstein had suggested a salary of $3,000 but Princeton
> didn't want other scholars being paid more than
> Einstein, and increased the salary to $10,000, which was about $55,000
> when adjusted by inflation to 2017. Good money,
> considering that his house was also paid by Princeton. So, he had means
> to enjoy life a little.
$55k for a full professorship in 2017 is a far cry from “good money”, with
subsidized housing or not.
Dono.
Oct 17, 2021, 7:51:25 PM10/17/21
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On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 3:58:43 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz lied:
> An excerpt from the official site of Princeton History:
>
> What doesn't say here is that the administrators FORCED HIM TO RETIRE at his 65 birthday, and that they
> wanted to CUT BY HALF his salary as a pension.
You need to stop lying, it makes you look even stupider than you are.
>
> What doesn't say here is that the administrators FORCED HIM TO RETIRE at his 65 birthday, and that they
> wanted to CUT BY HALF his salary as a pension.
Dono.
Oct 17, 2021, 7:54:29 PM10/17/21
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Richard Hertz
Oct 17, 2021, 10:54:07 PM10/17/21
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On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 8:54:29 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
<snip>
> The Hertz piece of shit just made it up.
I didn't invented a fucking thing, reptilian lifeform.
This article, from the WSJ, even when differs on the anual salary, clearly writes a difference in the
contract Einstein signed in 1933, between salary and pension (I didn't know it was written in a contract).
I just googled now about the issue of Einstein retirement, and found this article.
There are two things NOT WRITTEN HERE, which I read years ago:
1) Einstein was FORCED to retirement once he was 65. Maybe, it was of common use by then, as it was at any regular job.
That he was allowed to use Princeton facilities after retirement was a gift, probably to avoid bad press about him being
dumped at his house, with nothing to do all day along, far from university atmosphere.
2) There was a dispute, and now I'm more certain than before. And probably it was not originated in the pension money subject
but the fact that the establishment was RETIRING HIM (I don't know from what, as he was not doing anything officially).
PROBABLY, the Institute had problems with money, as it had since it was founded. After all, the budget was funded by external
sponsors, and after WWII (curiously) they didn't find any value at the position Einstein held (which was?) and retired him.
Now read the article, IMBECILE. Even when the writer (Letters to the Editor) quotes Banesh Hoffmann, who worked with Einstein
there and was very kind to not comment about what happened 12 years after, SOMETHING happened in1945. I don't want to search
more about this, because I'm sure that I'll find a lot of gossip, which is IRRELEVANT for me. I just narrated a story I read.
Einstein Was Smart About Salaries
Jan. 29, 2010 6:28 pm ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703906204575027503446091776
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Bogle's "Restoring Faith in Financial Markets" (op-ed, Jan. 19) does not explicitly mention trust and respect. A CEO viewing his own labor as worth 400 times that of the average American worker is arrogant, and fosters resentment—not respect.
In this regard, Albert Einstein's pay demands are instructive and refreshing. He left Europe in 1933 to join Princeton University's Institute for Advanced Study.
The setting of Einstein's initial salary at Princeton illustrates his humility and attitude toward wealth. According to "Albert Einstein: Creator & Rebel" by Banesh Hoffmann, (1972), the 1932 negotiations went as follows: "[Abraham] Flexner invited [Einstein] to name his own salary. A few days later Einstein wrote to suggest what, in view of his needs and . . . fame, he thought was a reasonable figure. Flexner was dismayed. . . . He could not possibly recruit outstanding American scholars at such a salary. . . . To Flexner, though perhaps not to Einstein, it was unthinkable [that other scholars' salaries would exceed Einstein's.] This being explained, Einstein reluctantly consented to a much higher figure, and he left the detailed negotiations to his wife."
The reasonable figure that Einstein suggested was the modest sum of $3,000 [about $46,800 in today's dollars]. Flexner upped it to $10,000 and offered Einstein an annual pension of $7,500, which he refused as "too generous," so it was reduced to $6,000. When the Institute hired a mathematician at an annual salary of $15,000, with an annual pension of $8,000, Einstein's compensation was increased to those amounts.
That sort of humility earns respect.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<snip>
> The Hertz piece of shit just made it up.
This article, from the WSJ, even when differs on the anual salary, clearly writes a difference in the
contract Einstein signed in 1933, between salary and pension (I didn't know it was written in a contract).
I just googled now about the issue of Einstein retirement, and found this article.
There are two things NOT WRITTEN HERE, which I read years ago:
1) Einstein was FORCED to retirement once he was 65. Maybe, it was of common use by then, as it was at any regular job.
That he was allowed to use Princeton facilities after retirement was a gift, probably to avoid bad press about him being
dumped at his house, with nothing to do all day along, far from university atmosphere.
2) There was a dispute, and now I'm more certain than before. And probably it was not originated in the pension money subject
but the fact that the establishment was RETIRING HIM (I don't know from what, as he was not doing anything officially).
PROBABLY, the Institute had problems with money, as it had since it was founded. After all, the budget was funded by external
sponsors, and after WWII (curiously) they didn't find any value at the position Einstein held (which was?) and retired him.
Now read the article, IMBECILE. Even when the writer (Letters to the Editor) quotes Banesh Hoffmann, who worked with Einstein
there and was very kind to not comment about what happened 12 years after, SOMETHING happened in1945. I don't want to search
more about this, because I'm sure that I'll find a lot of gossip, which is IRRELEVANT for me. I just narrated a story I read.
Einstein Was Smart About Salaries
Jan. 29, 2010 6:28 pm ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703906204575027503446091776
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Bogle's "Restoring Faith in Financial Markets" (op-ed, Jan. 19) does not explicitly mention trust and respect. A CEO viewing his own labor as worth 400 times that of the average American worker is arrogant, and fosters resentment—not respect.
In this regard, Albert Einstein's pay demands are instructive and refreshing. He left Europe in 1933 to join Princeton University's Institute for Advanced Study.
The setting of Einstein's initial salary at Princeton illustrates his humility and attitude toward wealth. According to "Albert Einstein: Creator & Rebel" by Banesh Hoffmann, (1972), the 1932 negotiations went as follows: "[Abraham] Flexner invited [Einstein] to name his own salary. A few days later Einstein wrote to suggest what, in view of his needs and . . . fame, he thought was a reasonable figure. Flexner was dismayed. . . . He could not possibly recruit outstanding American scholars at such a salary. . . . To Flexner, though perhaps not to Einstein, it was unthinkable [that other scholars' salaries would exceed Einstein's.] This being explained, Einstein reluctantly consented to a much higher figure, and he left the detailed negotiations to his wife."
The reasonable figure that Einstein suggested was the modest sum of $3,000 [about $46,800 in today's dollars]. Flexner upped it to $10,000 and offered Einstein an annual pension of $7,500, which he refused as "too generous," so it was reduced to $6,000. When the Institute hired a mathematician at an annual salary of $15,000, with an annual pension of $8,000, Einstein's compensation was increased to those amounts.
That sort of humility earns respect.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Hertz
Oct 17, 2021, 11:18:47 PM10/17/21
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On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 8:49:46 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > By the way, Einstein had suggested a salary of $3,000 but Princeton didn't want other scholars being paid more than
> > Einstein, and increased the salary to $10,000, which was about $55,000 when adjusted by inflation to 2017. Good money,
> > considering that his house was also paid by Princeton. So, he had means to enjoy life a little.
> FWIW, professorial salaries at state universities are published publicly. $55k for a full professorship in 2017 is a far cry from
> “good money”, with subsidized housing or not.
1) "It is said that in 1933 Einstein had a salary of $10,000, which would be about $178,000 today. This would make him the
highest-paid scientist in his field. ... Compared to other scientists who found fame after their relationships with educational
institutions started."
2) "$100 in 1933 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $2,110.08 today, an increase of $2,010.08 over 88 years. The dollar
had an average inflation rate of 3.53% per year between 1933 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 2,010.08%."
This mean an up to date salary of $211,000 today, which is close to the value 1).
So, Einstein did earn a very good salary, isn't it? And a pension above $100,000 also is good money (or not?). I don't know.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1933
Dono.
Oct 17, 2021, 11:23:19 PM10/17/21
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On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 7:54:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 8:54:29 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > The Hertz piece of shit just made it up.
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 8:54:29 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > The Hertz piece of shit just made it up.
> There are two things NOT WRITTEN HERE, which I read years ago:
It's not there because it isn't anywhere, you made it up. Keep digging yourself deeper, odious kapo.
Odd Bodkin
Oct 18, 2021, 10:14:36 AM10/18/21
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Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 8:49:46 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> By the way, Einstein had suggested a salary of $3,000 but Princeton
>>> didn't want other scholars being paid more than
>>> Einstein, and increased the salary to $10,000, which was about $55,000
>>> when adjusted by inflation to 2017. Good money,
>>> considering that his house was also paid by Princeton. So, he had means
>>> to enjoy life a little.
>
>> FWIW, professorial salaries at state universities are published
>> publicly. $55k for a full professorship in 2017 is a far cry from
>> “good money”, with subsidized housing or not.
>
> I was curious due to your comment, as I understood that his salary was
> very high. So, I googled about it. I found these two articles:
>
> 1) "It is said that in 1933 Einstein had a salary of $10,000, which would
> be about $178,000 today. This would make him the
> highest-paid scientist in his field. ... Compared to other
> scientists who found fame after their relationships with educational
> institutions started."
$178k is a lot different than $55k, isn’t it?
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 8:49:46 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> By the way, Einstein had suggested a salary of $3,000 but Princeton
>>> didn't want other scholars being paid more than
>>> Einstein, and increased the salary to $10,000, which was about $55,000
>>> when adjusted by inflation to 2017. Good money,
>>> considering that his house was also paid by Princeton. So, he had means
>>> to enjoy life a little.
>
>> FWIW, professorial salaries at state universities are published
>> publicly. $55k for a full professorship in 2017 is a far cry from
>> “good money”, with subsidized housing or not.
>
> I was curious due to your comment, as I understood that his salary was
> very high. So, I googled about it. I found these two articles:
>
> 1) "It is said that in 1933 Einstein had a salary of $10,000, which would
> be about $178,000 today. This would make him the
> highest-paid scientist in his field. ... Compared to other
> scientists who found fame after their relationships with educational
> institutions started."
And while $178k is comfortable, it certainly isn’t the highest salary in
the field today. According to public records, Steven Weinberg was paid
$536k at the time of his death. That is very high, no doubt, but it sets
scale.
>
> 2) "$100 in 1933 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $2,110.08
> today, an increase of $2,010.08 over 88 years. The dollar
> had an average inflation rate of 3.53% per year between 1933 and
> today, producing a cumulative price increase of 2,010.08%."
>
> This mean an up to date salary of $211,000 today, which is close to the value 1).
>
> So, Einstein did earn a very good salary, isn't it? And a pension
> above $100,000 also is good money (or not?). I don't know.
contribute to a 401k. The usual metric for income at retirement is about
70% of your last annual earnings. This means someone earning $200k at end
of career should be looking at about $140k withdrawal from retirement
savings. This requires of course that you have enough in your 401k savings
to cover that for the rest of your life. If you don’t, that’s another
matter.
>
> https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1933
>
>
>
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The Starmaker
Oct 18, 2021, 11:55:27 AM10/18/21
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he had to punch in like everybody else to get paid.
Richard Hertz
Oct 18, 2021, 12:38:59 PM10/18/21
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This thread fails to provide any ideas about my OP.
Did he want, as final desire, to be cremated and his ashes scattered at a secret place? Or other interests, that
I can't decode, meddle into this outcome?
Given the notoriety that Einstein had, and the power of intelligence services of nations involved, I'm leaned to
believe that unknown national interests were involved (at .gov level, and very high).
I just don't understand. By that epoch, interests in GR applications were resurfacing, after decades of oblivion.
Did he want, as final desire, to be cremated and his ashes scattered at a secret place? Or other interests, that
I can't decode, meddle into this outcome?
Given the notoriety that Einstein had, and the power of intelligence services of nations involved, I'm leaned to
believe that unknown national interests were involved (at .gov level, and very high).
I just don't understand. By that epoch, interests in GR applications were resurfacing, after decades of oblivion.
Odd Bodkin
Oct 18, 2021, 1:13:15 PM10/18/21
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people never bother to make their own wishes known, mostly because they
just don’t care. So the funeral director advised. In this case, it is left
up to the next of kin to decide. Some families have existing family plots
that are important to the family as a whole, even if the deceased didn’t
care. Some families prefer to take an particular path for their own
closure; this is common with sudden or accidental deaths. For families who
are left with the ongoing burden of managing a legacy for decades to come,
there are the additional concerns about fans trashing a grave site. Anne
Frank’s gravesite has had to be defended against attempts to exhume or
overceromonialize, for example. Elvis Presley’s grave had to be moved
because of attempts to steal the body. Marilyn Monroe’s gravesite was
selected specifically to be in a quiet and out-of-the-way place, and
immediately the mausoleum sites adjacent to hers skyrocketed in price, much
to the family’s distress. David Bowie’s ashes were also scattered in
secret, and that was at his request. Freddie Mercury’s ashes also are in an
unknown location known only to a long-time friend.
So I wouldn’t make too much of this small fact of Einstein’s demise. It’s
not all that unusual, and it’s definitely a private matter, which does not
make it some kind of political secret.
The Starmaker
Oct 18, 2021, 1:19:13 PM10/18/21
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to know the location???? Do you have a ebay account???
Lots of people are cremeated at an undisclosed location...
or scattered at the ocean...
what difference does it make?
What are you getting at?
The Starmaker
Oct 19, 2021, 11:34:16 AM10/19/21
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Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> This thread fails to provide any ideas about my OP.
i mean, you gotta use ...simple common sense.
>
> This thread fails to provide any ideas about my OP.
They had 'no choice' but to cremate him...
how could they bury him without a head????
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