A call to reasonable people all over the world.
Magnetic
In a several days the first high energy collisions of protons will be
implemented by CERN at Large Hadron Collider. This can lead to the
explosion of our planet and to extermination of our humankind.
We, citizens of Russia, Byelorussia and Ukraine, are planning to
fulfill several actions. We call you to make the same in your
countries.
1. The 20-th of November 2009 we’ll start to distribute the Leaflet in
order to say people about the real deadly danger of the LHC
experiment.
2. The 23-rd of November we’ll try to block the entrances to the
Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow State University and so on. No one
person can enter these buildings until authorities of these
organizations would say at media about their rejection and ban of the
experiment.
3. The 29-th of November, that is a day before the first planned
collisions, we’ll perform another action. The essence of this action
we’ll be expounded additionally.
This plan will be canceled any day, if CERN leaders we’ll refuse the
LHC experiment.
We were forced to go to these extreme measures. Previously, we have
repeatedly made more loyal measures: appealed to the superior
authorities, but CERN continues to go ahead and can kill us very soon.
We can not sit silently for our execution.
November 16, 2009.
1. Ivan Gorelik, http://darkenergy.narod.ru/biz.html
2. Vasiliy Golota, http://n-t.ru/tp/ng/ps.htm
3. Vladimir Acjucovskij, http://www.atsuk.dart.ru
4. Evgeniy Dovgel, http://dovgel.com/kvv.htm
5. Valentina Golovina.
6. Julia Polognjuk.
7. Sergey Vertinskij.
8. Tatiana Pravdina.
9. Vyacheslav Satane.
10. Nikolay Ermolajev.
eric gisse
[snip paranoid spew]
And when nothing happens, what will the excuse be?
Tom Roberts
> [...]
This is polemic written by idiots who understand neither physics nor history.
Over the past billions of years, cosmic rays with energies higher than that of
the LHC have collided with earth and its atmosphere vastly more often than the
beams in the LHC will do. None of them have destroyed the earth or its inhabitants.
In the same vein as this nonsense, one could predict that the next time you
sneeze you will create a "nasal vortex" that will immolate the entire earth.
Note that the energy involved in sneezing is VASTLY larger than that of any
collision at the LHC.
Tom Roberts
johnlawrencereedjr
>
> 1. Ivan Gorelik,http://darkenergy.narod.ru/biz.html
> 2. Vasiliy Golota,http://n-t.ru/tp/ng/ps.htm
> 3. Vladimir Acjucovskij,http://www.atsuk.dart.ru
> 4. Evgeniy Dovgel,http://dovgel.com/kvv.htm
> 5. Valentina Golovina.
> 6. Julia Polognjuk.
> 7. Sergey Vertinskij.
> 8. Tatiana Pravdina.
> 9. Vyacheslav Satane.
> 10. Nikolay Ermolajev.
jr writes>
All of ya'll will share the nobull prize. Keep up the penetrating
work.
johnreed
Michael Moroney
snicker...
Newsweek's Ten Worst Predictions
http://2010.newsweek.com/top-10/worst-predictions/alan-sugar.html
see #9
spiritual energy
science and further humanity another step further up the road. The
only people opposing such a breakthrough are reactionary conservatives
like you.
AndyJ
I will make sure I'm wearing clean undies
Uncle Al
>
> A call to reasonable people all over the world.
"Fuck the doomed," Richard Nixon.
> In a several days the first high energy collisions of protons will
be
> implemented by CERN at Large Hadron Collider. This can lead to the
> explosion of our planet
[snip rest of crap]
Hey fuckwad - The Earth's gravitational binding energy is 2.24x10^32
joules. That happens to be (E=mc^2) 2.49 quadrillion kilograms of
mass-equivalent potential well. Ain't nothin' goin' nowhere, jackass.
idiot
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
Uncle Al
>
> The LHC is the only thing which can bring another breakthrough in
> science and further humanity another step further up the road.
1) Identifying the "intelligent human being" gene cluster during
fetal development - and controlling it.
2) Repairing somatic telomeres.
3) Finding a viable non-rocket exit of Earth's gravity.
4) Ending all mandated charity and all insurance.
5) Putting a brothel on every high school and college campus.
6) Ending cheese food products.
7) idiot
Inertial
news:6c24f027-c0c0-4728...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> A call to reasonable people all over the world.
The reasonable people will ignore you.
[I am reasonable]
BURT
> "Magnetic" <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote in message
That is just an excuse for being wrong. You buy your own lie and then
defend it with reason.
The lie here is that is that you are smart. I am smart stupid.
Mitch Raemsch
Inertial
news:63bc3dff-4059-4d2a...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
That ain't no lie
jdawe
> 2. Vasiliy Golota,http://n-t.ru/tp/ng/ps.htm
> 3. Vladimir Acjucovskij,http://www.atsuk.dart.ru
> 5. Valentina Golovina.
> 6. Julia Polognjuk.
> 7. Sergey Vertinskij.
> 8. Tatiana Pravdina.
> 9. Vyacheslav Satane.
> 10. Nikolay Ermolajev.
So, we have our 2 opposing physical 'things':
Energy
or
Matter
Which can be in 2 opposing 'states':
In Motion ( orbital )
or
At Rest ( centre )
We want to create 2 opposing physical forces:
Explosion ( Repulsion ) - The energy\matter of the 'centre' is
repulsed outwards through the 'orbital exterior'.
or
Implosion ( Attraction )- The energy\matter of the 'orbital exterior'
is attracted and collapsed into the 'centre'.
Therefore to create an:
Explosion, requires a greater amount of attraction force on the centre
until there is more energy\matter compressed 'At Rest' in the centre
than orbiting 'In Motion' giving us an 'explosion' of energy\matter
'repulsed' outwards from the centre.
or
Implosion, requires a greater amount of repulsion force from the
centre until there is more energy\matter 'In Motion' orbiting than
there is 'At Rest' in the centre giving us an implosion of energy
\matter that is 'attracted' ( collapses ) to the centre.
-Josh.
Inertial
"jdawe" <mrj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fa06b5a9-799f-4fa7...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 17, 6:51 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>> A call to reasonable people all over the world.
>>
>> In a several days the first high energy collisions of protons will be
>> implemented by CERN at Large Hadron Collider. This can lead to the
>> explosion of our planet and to extermination of our humankind.
>> We, citizens of Russia, Byelorussia and Ukraine, are planning to
>> fulfill several actions. We call you to make the same in your
>> countries.
>>
>> 1. The 20-th of November 2009 we�ll start to distribute the Leaflet in
>> order to say people about the real deadly danger of the LHC
>> experiment.
>> 2. The 23-rd of November we�ll try to block the entrances to the
>> Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow State University and so on. No one
>> person can enter these buildings until authorities of these
>> organizations would say at media about their rejection and ban of the
>> experiment.
>> 3. The 29-th of November, that is a day before the first planned
>> collisions, we�ll perform another action. The essence of this action
>> we�ll be expounded additionally.
>>
>> This plan will be canceled any day, if CERN leaders we�ll refuse the
YOU ARE A SPAMMER
jdawe
> "jdawe" <mrjd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fa06b5a9-799f-4fa7...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 6:51 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
> >> A call to reasonable people all over the world.
>
> >> In a several days the first high energy collisions of protons will be
> >> implemented by CERN at Large Hadron Collider. This can lead to the
> >> explosion of our planet and to extermination of our humankind.
> >> We, citizens of Russia, Byelorussia and Ukraine, are planning to
> >> fulfill several actions. We call you to make the same in your
> >> countries.
>
> >> order to say people about the real deadly danger of the LHC
> >> experiment.
> >> Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow State University and so on. No one
> >> person can enter these buildings until authorities of these
> >> organizations would say at media about their rejection and ban of the
> >> experiment.
> >> 3. The 29-th of November, that is a day before the first planned
> >> we’ll be expounded additionally.
>
> >> This plan will be canceled any day, if CERN leaders we’ll refuse the
>
> - Show quoted text -
Woops forgot to mention:
"first high energy collisions of protons will be implemented"
Will not result in a greater amount of attraction force on the centre
of the earth.
So there will be no repulsion ( explosion ) from the earths centre.
Therefore the earth will remain intact.
-Josh.
eric gisse
> spiritual energy wrote:
>>
>> The LHC is the only thing which can bring another breakthrough in
>> science and further humanity another step further up the road.
> [snip crap]
>
> 1) Identifying the "intelligent human being" gene cluster during
> fetal development - and controlling it.
> 2) Repairing somatic telomeres.
> 3) Finding a viable non-rocket exit of Earth's gravity.
> 4) Ending all mandated charity and all insurance.
> 5) Putting a brothel on every high school and college campus.
> 6) Ending cheese food products.
Is #6 the part of the "spot that which does not belong" exercise?
Or is there a darker, more sinister, truth behind cheese which that I have
been previously unaware?
> 7) idiot
>
Juan R.
> A call to reasonable people all over the world.
Can reasonable people just ignore the call?
--
http://www.canonicalscience.org/
BLOG:
http://www.canonicalscience.org/en/publicationzone/canonicalsciencetoday/canonicalsciencetoday.html
Magnetic
> the LHC have collided with earth and its atmosphere vastly more often than the
> beams in the LHC will do. None of them have destroyed the earth or its inhabitants.
> Tom Roberts
Another crude error, made in the CERN’s safety documentation, is in
equating of the consequences of protons collisions at LHC with
collisions of cosmic particles with atmospheric ones.
To see the drastic difference between such consequences, let’s make
two thought experiments.
There are two 10 kg bottles with neutrons.
Additional requirements, used in the model: 1. free neutrons do not
decay; 2. proton do not capture neutron; 3. any nuclei, heavier than
proton, can capture free neutron; 4. neutrons do not interact with
the
matter of bottle; 5. the density of neutrons in the bottle is the
same
as of water.
A. Let somebody put one slowly moving nucleus into the bottle.
Neutrons will begin to be captured by the growing and dividing
nuclei.
In a couple of moments this laboratory will be exploded a town will
look like Hiroshima after the nuclear attack.
B. If somebody will bombard the same bottle by nuclei, having the
kinetic energy about several TeV, he will see that nuclei are ruined
in collisions and formed a cloud of protons and neutrons.
A. Approximate way of reactions can look like this dividing chain:
He3+n -> He4;
He4+n -> He5;
He5+n -> He6 -> Li6+e;
Li6+n -> Li7;
Li7+n -> Li8 -> Be8+e;
Be8+n -> Be9;
Be9+n -> Be10;
...
U235+n -> X+Y+2n
X+n ->...; Y+n ->...
two branches;
...
four branches;
...
eight branches;
...
Collaptical explosion!
B. Nuclei with TeV kinetic energy will be ruined by high energy
collisions with neutrons in the backward order in crude
approximation.
Nuclear collapse is impossible because the repulsive electrostatic
forces of protons. That is way, I named nuclei by “nuclear quasi-
holes”.
Magnetic collapse has no limit. Magnetic hole will grow till there is
the food, - the matter of planet or star.
The biggest error of CERN physicists is in the equating the
consequences of A and B.
A. Collisions of protons at LHC;
B. Collisions of cosmic protons with atmospheric protons.
Similarity: Energies in A and B are sufficient in order to make
microscopic magnetic holes.
Difference: Velocities of created holes relatively surrounding matter
are drastically great.
A. Magnetic holes, made on LHC, can have very small velocities, such
as slow nucleus entered into the neutron-bottle, and exploded the
town.
B. According to conservation law of 4-momentum, cosmic holes have
relativistic velocities, such as TeV nuclei, destructed in the
neutron-
bottle.
Result:
A. LHC’s holes will capture slowly moving particles and grow. The
bigger hole becomes – the bigger its rate of growth.
B. Atmosphere particles move relatively holes with relativistic
velocities and, correspondingly, they have TeV kinetic energy,
relatively holes. As a result, magnetic holes will be ruined almost
immediately. Such collisions lead to creation of showers of secondary
particles. Physicists observe such showers.
In our upper model with two neutron-bottles we could see that
bombardment of bottle by eV-nuclei can lead to Hiroshima-like
explosion, but TeV-nuclei bombardment are safe. Correspondingly LHC-
collisions can destroy the Earth; cosmic-atmospheric particle
collisions occur constantly and safe.
Magnetic
implemented by CERN at Large Hadron Collider. This can lead to the
explosion of our planet
> Hey fuckwad - The Earth's gravitational binding energy is 2.24x10^32
> joules. That happens to be (E=mc^2) 2.49 quadrillion kilograms of
> mass-equivalent potential well. Ain't nothin' goin' nowhere, jackass.
Listen, egg-headed.
At magnetic collapse 1/3 of rest energy of Earth will be released in
the form of kinetic energy of Earth’s shell and radiation. That is
about 10^41 joules. You will come in icy comet to neighbor star system
quite quickly.
eric gisse
> In a several days the first high energy collisions of protons will be
> implemented by CERN at Large Hadron Collider. This can lead to the
> explosion of our planet
And the reason comic rays which have kinetic energies ten orders of
magnitude greater have not done this yet is because....?
I only ask because you've been spamming this chicken little nonsense for 6
months and I'd like it to stop.
>
>> Hey fuckwad - The Earth's gravitational binding energy is 2.24x10^32
>> joules. That happens to be (E=mc^2) 2.49 quadrillion kilograms of
>> mass-equivalent potential well. Ain't nothin' goin' nowhere, jackass.
>
> Listen, egg-headed.
> At magnetic collapse 1/3 of rest energy of Earth will be released in
> the form of kinetic energy of Earth?s shell and radiation. That is
Igor
It's a massive plot by the Velveeties to take over the universe.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <9d992e6b-99bc-41f8...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>:
> To see the drastic difference between such consequences, let?s make
> two thought experiments.
> There are two 10 kg bottles with neutrons.
Oh, shit, we've already destroyed that one. *DO* keep up at the back!
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Schoenfeld
> Magnetic wrote:
> > [...]
>
> This is polemic written by idiots who understand neither physics nor history.
No, it's written by CERN themselves to promote the false notion that
they are "doing something" and that the LHC "has value", when in fact,
neither are true.
Remember the "micro black-hole" nonsense when LHC was completed? They
had affiliate scientists doing the rounds on radio stations rabble
rousing the public into believing blackholes were going to destroy the
world.
True or false, the subconsious impression resulting from that
propaganda is that the LHC is "cutting edge" and that the letters-
after-your-name scientists "know somethnig", when in fact, neither are
true.
The truth is modern physics is an ABJECT FAILURE and expense
contraptions like the LHC have revealed nothing new.
After billions of their tax dollars was wasted on the LHC, the public
got to walk away with "phew! thank god that Black Hole never
happened".
[..]
Inertial
news:12be2313-14e8-4153...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
What a load of crap. Physics is in no way a failure .. perhaps you failed at
physics .. or think your pet project should get the money that is being put
into furthering scientific knowledge.
PD
You must be visiting from the future.
The LHC is not yet operational, and so the "contraption" is not
expected to have revealed *anything* yet, let alone anything new.
Nor has there been any statement of "phew, the black holes never
happened", because the accelerator has not yet had the chance to not
make them.
But good of you to know well in advance that nothing ever came of the
LHC, looking back on it from 50 years from now.
PD
PD
You're a nutjob, you know that, right?
eric gisse
> On Nov 17, 7:29 am, Tom Roberts <tjrob...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Magnetic wrote:
>> > [...]
>>
>> This is polemic written by idiots who understand neither physics nor
>> history.
>
> No, it's written by CERN themselves to promote the false notion that
> they are "doing something" and that the LHC "has value", when in fact,
> neither are true.
>
> Remember the "micro black-hole" nonsense when LHC was completed? They
> had affiliate scientists doing the rounds on radio stations rabble
> rousing the public into believing blackholes were going to destroy the
> world.
>
> True or false, the subconsious impression resulting from that
> propaganda is that the LHC is "cutting edge" and that the letters-
> after-your-name scientists "know somethnig", when in fact, neither are
> true.
>
> The truth is modern physics is an ABJECT FAILURE and expense
> contraptions like the LHC have revealed nothing new.
So when, in your mind, did physics start being an 'abject failure' ?
jmfbahciv
There are going to be a lot more of them. Coast-to-Coast keeps
broadcasting its show that tried to panic people about this
device. "End of the world" phrase is used often.
/BAH
Schoenfeld
> Schoenfeld wrote:
> > On Nov 17, 7:29 am, Tom Roberts <tjrob...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Magnetic wrote:
> >> > [...]
>
> >> This is polemic written by idiots who understand neither physics nor
> >> history.
>
> > No, it's written by CERN themselves to promote the false notion that
> > they are "doing something" and that the LHC "has value", when in fact,
> > neither are true.
>
> > Remember the "micro black-hole" nonsense when LHC was completed? They
> > had affiliate scientists doing the rounds on radio stations rabble
> > rousing the public into believing blackholes were going to destroy the
> > world.
>
> > True or false, the subconsious impression resulting from that
> > propaganda is that the LHC is "cutting edge" and that the letters-
> > after-your-name scientists "know somethnig", when in fact, neither are
> > true.
>
> > The truth is modern physics is an ABJECT FAILURE and expense
> > contraptions like the LHC have revealed nothing new.
>
> So when, in your mind, did physics start being an 'abject failure' ?
When it started asserting the existence of entities beyond the
empirical scope.
If I say an electron is a blue fairy when you aren't looking at it and
that it waves it's wand and becomes a point particle when you do look
at it is no different to saying it is a probability cloud when you
aren't looking at it and collapses to a point when you do.
Be it a blue fairy or a probability cloud or an effect of unobservable
parallel universes or <fill interpretation here> they are ALL beyond
the empirical scope and NOT PHYSICS.
I'd bet you a can of coke you wouldn't give me 100 billion dollars to
build an enourmous contraption to detect my blue fairies, would you.
Schoenfeld
If person B believes person A is a nutjob and person B responds to
person A's posts attempting to engage person A in conversation then
person B is necessarily MORE of a nutjob. However, person B only only
BELIEVED person A was a nutjob so person B only managed to prove
person B was a nutjob, not necessarily person A. :-)
note: person A is allowed at least 1 rebuttal.
Inertial
> On Nov 18, 1:24 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Schoenfeld wrote:
>> > On Nov 17, 7:29 am, Tom Roberts <tjrob...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> Magnetic wrote:
>> >> > [...]
>>
>> >> This is polemic written by idiots who understand neither physics nor
>> >> history.
>>
>> > No, it's written by CERN themselves to promote the false notion that
>> > they are "doing something" and that the LHC "has value", when in fact,
>> > neither are true.
>>
>> > Remember the "micro black-hole" nonsense when LHC was completed? They
>> > had affiliate scientists doing the rounds on radio stations rabble
>> > rousing the public into believing blackholes were going to destroy the
>> > world.
>>
>> > True or false, the subconsious impression resulting from that
>> > propaganda is that the LHC is "cutting edge" and that the letters-
>> > after-your-name scientists "know somethnig", when in fact, neither are
>> > true.
>>
>> > The truth is modern physics is an ABJECT FAILURE and expense
>> > contraptions like the LHC have revealed nothing new.
>>
>> So when, in your mind, did physics start being an 'abject failure' ?
>
> When it started asserting the existence of entities beyond the
> empirical scope.
Which entities are they?
> If I say an electron is a blue fairy when you aren't looking at it and
> that it waves it's wand and becomes a point particle when you do look
> at it is no different to saying it is a probability cloud when you
> aren't looking at it and collapses to a point when you do.
No .. its always an electron. It doesn't turn into a cloud or a fairy
> Be it a blue fairy or a probability cloud or an effect of unobservable
> parallel universes or <fill interpretation here> they are ALL beyond
> the empirical scope and NOT PHYSICS.
They are perfectly valid physics, because the theory behind it is based on
experimental evidence, and it makes predictions which are testable.
> I'd bet you a can of coke you wouldn't give me 100 billion dollars to
> build an enourmous contraption to detect my blue fairies, would you.
Of course not .. you have no physics theory that predicts them and no
properties one can observe to test the hypothesis that they exist.
It sounds like you are one of those who are bitter that you failed at
physics, and rather than taking responsibility for failing, you says its all
the fault of physics.
PD
> On Nov 18, 1:24 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Schoenfeld wrote:
> > > On Nov 17, 7:29 am, Tom Roberts <tjrob...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >> Magnetic wrote:
> > >> > [...]
>
> > >> This is polemic written by idiots who understand neither physics nor
> > >> history.
>
> > > No, it's written by CERN themselves to promote the false notion that
> > > they are "doing something" and that the LHC "has value", when in fact,
> > > neither are true.
>
> > > Remember the "micro black-hole" nonsense when LHC was completed? They
> > > had affiliate scientists doing the rounds on radio stations rabble
> > > rousing the public into believing blackholes were going to destroy the
> > > world.
>
> > > True or false, the subconsious impression resulting from that
> > > propaganda is that the LHC is "cutting edge" and that the letters-
> > > after-your-name scientists "know somethnig", when in fact, neither are
> > > true.
>
> > > The truth is modern physics is an ABJECT FAILURE and expense
> > > contraptions like the LHC have revealed nothing new.
>
> > So when, in your mind, did physics start being an 'abject failure' ?
>
> When it started asserting the existence of entities beyond the
> empirical scope.
OK, this is an interesting point and a sentiment that is common among
novices and cranks.
The sentiment is basically this: Nature needs to make sense according
to your rational world view, which in turn is constructed on our
empirical experience from direct sensory input.
But the fact is, our sensory empirical scope is of but a tiny fraction
of the universe -- that which is needed and tuned for our survival on
evolutionary scales -- hundreds of thousands of years. And our
"rational world view" -- that is, the intuitive concept set and the
general rules of predictable behavior -- is tied to that empirical
scope. What we understand intuitively well is nature that is
comparable to our size scale and our temporal scale.
However, evolution cannot keep up with our observational ingenuity.
What we've learned in the last 125 years or so is that the universe as
a whole is generally much different than the thin slice we get through
our senses. Most of the universe behaves NOTHING LIKE what we see at
our spatial and temporal scales. Moreover, many of the rules of
behavior that we have inferred appear not to be general rules, but
only convenient approximations to much different rules; those rules
work very well at our spatial and temporal scales, but are in fact
only approximations, and they break down outside that domain.
>
> If I say an electron is a blue fairy when you aren't looking at it and
> that it waves it's wand and becomes a point particle when you do look
> at it is no different to saying it is a probability cloud when you
> aren't looking at it and collapses to a point when you do.
No, that's not what's said. What's said is that an electron is a NEW
kind of object, which is in a category OUTSIDE the two we are familiar
and comfortable with (particles and waves). For some people, it's
uncomfortable to learn that the exhaustive and mutually exclusive
categorization once held is neither exhaustive nor mutually exclusive,
but that's not nature's problem -- it's ours.
>
> Be it a blue fairy or a probability cloud or an effect of unobservable
> parallel universes or <fill interpretation here> they are ALL beyond
> the empirical scope and NOT PHYSICS.
But they aren't tested until they DO make predictions that are in the
empirical scope. That's the point.
>
> I'd bet you a can of coke you wouldn't give me 100 billion dollars to
> build an enourmous contraption to detect my blue fairies, would you.
It doesn't cost 100 billion dollars, for starters. Please check facts.
Secondly, if you can have a set of theories that make quantitative
predictions of phenomena not yet tested, and which serve to account
for a bunch of things already in the observational catalog, then yes,
it is defensible to spend a lot of money to see if which of the
theories pans out. That's kind of what was done to justify the work,
you see.
PD
Why would you say that? Nutjobs can be encouraged to get help, and
often are.
Psychiatrists don't make their living by ignoring people that
desperately need help.
> However, person B only only
> BELIEVED person A was a nutjob so person B only managed to prove
> person B was a nutjob, not necessarily person A. :-)
This sure was an arcane way to say "I'm rubber and your glue, and
whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!"
>
> note: person A is allowed at least 1 rebuttal.
There is an unanswered comment by me to your previous post. Perhaps
you could focus your attention there.
eric gisse
> On Nov 18, 1:24 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Schoenfeld wrote:
>> > On Nov 17, 7:29 am, Tom Roberts <tjrob...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> Magnetic wrote:
>> >> > [...]
>>
>> >> This is polemic written by idiots who understand neither physics nor
>> >> history.
>>
>> > No, it's written by CERN themselves to promote the false notion that
>> > they are "doing something" and that the LHC "has value", when in fact,
>> > neither are true.
>>
>> > Remember the "micro black-hole" nonsense when LHC was completed? They
>> > had affiliate scientists doing the rounds on radio stations rabble
>> > rousing the public into believing blackholes were going to destroy the
>> > world.
>>
>> > True or false, the subconsious impression resulting from that
>> > propaganda is that the LHC is "cutting edge" and that the letters-
>> > after-your-name scientists "know somethnig", when in fact, neither are
>> > true.
>>
>> > The truth is modern physics is an ABJECT FAILURE and expense
>> > contraptions like the LHC have revealed nothing new.
>>
>> So when, in your mind, did physics start being an 'abject failure' ?
>
> When it started asserting the existence of entities beyond the
> empirical scope.
Such as?
Be careful when answering. You wouldn't want to make a fool out of yourself
by claiming physics asserts something that only you believe.
>
> If I say an electron is a blue fairy when you aren't looking at it and
> that it waves it's wand and becomes a point particle when you do look
> at it is no different to saying it is a probability cloud when you
> aren't looking at it and collapses to a point when you do.
>
> Be it a blue fairy or a probability cloud or an effect of unobservable
> parallel universes or <fill interpretation here> they are ALL beyond
> the empirical scope and NOT PHYSICS.
>
> I'd bet you a can of coke you wouldn't give me 100 billion dollars to
> build an enourmous contraption to detect my blue fairies, would you.
Classic argument by reduction to absurdity.
We know you don't like physics. Hope you don't ever need a MRI, PET, CT
scan, use something that requires a SQUID, a line secured by quantum
cryptography, etc.
eric gisse
What happens if person B simply calls you a nutjob and then walks away?
Schoenfeld
[..]
> There is an unanswered comment by me to your previous post. Perhaps
> you could focus your attention there.
I did. :-)
Have a good day (and thanks for the laughs).
PD
I was referring to this one:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e5a517891b86a872
which you have not responded to.
tadchem
> A call to reasonable people all over the world.
...<crickets chirping>
and nobody answers...
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
Mahipal7638
There are 17 authors responding in this, now, 37 posts thread. Not
counting initiator Magnetic, that's still 16 independent authors. Then
your crickets start chirping. Are you stating your judgement -- which
perhaps I'll share for the most %age part -- regards the other
authors? No?! You just have no sense of comedic timing!
chirp... chirp...
Enjo(y)...
--
Mahipal
eric gisse
None of them take the fruitloop or his arguments seriously.
Androcles
"Mahipal7638" <mahip...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cfea48d3-30ef-498f...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
chirp... chirp...
Enjo(y)...
--
Mahipal
===============================================
Can I have some money for my hare-brained scheme to extract energy
from the seabed?
http://www.tidalenergyltd.com/
Can I, can I?
Oh, and please be scared of CO2. Scare lots of other people too,
raise taxes and give lots of money to me.
chirp... chirp...
===============================================
Don Stockbauer
wrote:
> "Mahipal7638" <mahipal7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
In this modern day and age it should be "tweet, tweet."
Magnetic
Today I phoned to Russian Academy of Sciences and said that we
(GRCRBU) are preparing the series of actions against Official Science.
First collisions at LHC can be performed about 1-3 of December. That
can lead to magnetic collapse and to the explosion of Earth.
Note 1: Physicists neglected the possibility of magnetic collapse
Note 2: LHC safety documents contain at least three crude errors and
one lie assertion.
eric gisse
And when nothing happens, you are going to do what?
Marvin the Martian
> I am smart stupid.
>
> Mitch Raemsch
Yeah. But you're not obligated to show how the world will be destroyed.
You don't have to be the least bit "reasonable" there.
Which brings up the problem, reasonable people, by definition, would
dismiss fear mongering as an emotional appeal fallacy.
spiritual energy
synchrotron radiation which will make some people sick. At worst it
will create a small earthquake in Switzerland.
Richard Tobin
That's half right.
-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
Marvin the Martian
REASONABLE PEOPLE!!
There has been so much junk science and nonscience being spewed about, it
is a danger to humanity!!
Modern science and technology has kept stupid people alive long enough to
reproduce, and now there are growing hoards of stupid people. Stupidity
kills. Sooner or later our technological damn that keeps stupid people
alive will break and the River Styx will rise to flood level.
We can't save the stupid people, nor should we. The problem before us is
to get out of the flood plain and not be carried away as the lemmings run
for the sea.
PD
> A call to reasonable people all over the world.
>
> implemented by CERN at Large Hadron Collider. This can lead to the
> explosion of our planet and to extermination of our humankind.
> We, citizens of Russia, Byelorussia and Ukraine, are planning to
> fulfill several actions. We call you to make the same in your
> countries.
>
> 1. The 20-th of November 2009 we’ll start to distribute the Leaflet in
> order to say people about the real deadly danger of the LHC
> experiment.
> 2. The 23-rd of November we’ll try to block the entrances to the
> Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow State University and so on. No one
> person can enter these buildings until authorities of these
> organizations would say at media about their rejection and ban of the
> experiment.
> 3. The 29-th of November, that is a day before the first planned
> collisions, we’ll perform another action. The essence of this action
> we’ll be expounded additionally.
>
> This plan will be canceled any day, if CERN leaders we’ll refuse the
> LHC experiment.
> We were forced to go to these extreme measures. Previously, we have
> repeatedly made more loyal measures: appealed to the superior
> authorities, but CERN continues to go ahead and can kill us very soon.
> We can not sit silently for our execution.
>
> November 16, 2009.
>
> 1. Ivan Gorelik,http://darkenergy.narod.ru/biz.html
> 2. Vasiliy Golota,http://n-t.ru/tp/ng/ps.htm
> 3. Vladimir Acjucovskij,http://www.atsuk.dart.ru
> 4. Evgeniy Dovgel,http://dovgel.com/kvv.htm
> 5. Valentina Golovina.
> 6. Julia Polognjuk.
> 7. Sergey Vertinskij.
> 8. Tatiana Pravdina.
> 9. Vyacheslav Satane.
> 10. Nikolay Ermolajev.
Notice that the first collisions have been recorded at LHC.
And. We're. Still. Here.
Magnetic
Nov 20 2009: Official Press release of “conCERNed international”
Today, an international group of critics and experts filed a complaint
at the Human Rights Committee of the United Nations at Geneva
concerning risks and dangers of the planned experiments at the Large
Hadron Collider (LHC) operated by the European Organization of Nuclear
Research (CERN) in Switzerland. The group impeaches the CERN member
states, especially Switzerland, France and Germany, for not having
carried out their legal responsibilities to ensure citicens’ safety.
-------------------
But:
First collisions were implemented November 23.
Now CERN is ready to rise up the energy of collisions.
-------------------
Today, November 24, we'll try to organize a meeting of protest against
CERN and Russian Academy of Sciences.
Moscow, Zubovskij bulvar, 4. Near the Russian Informational Agency
"Novosti".
eric gisse
> http://www.lhc-concern.info/
> Nov 20 2009: Official Press release of ?conCERNed international?
> Today, an international group of critics and experts
Do any of these critics and 'experts' have a PhD in physics?
[...]
PD
Now I ask you a simple question: What happens when they ramp up the
energy and nothing bad happens?
Autymn D. C.
enourmous -> enormose
Coke < Pepsi
Magnetic
November 25,
People, tomorrow can be the Last Day our Earth.
Do not sit silently. Stop CERN.
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
http://www.lhc-concern.info/
Magnetic
> > People, tomorrow can be the Last Day our Earth.
> > Do not sit silently. Stop CERN.
> You said that a few days ago... what will you say this Friday?
CERN had made already 0.45 TeV collisions.
Now it can rise up the energy of collisions and luminosity.
The probability of magnetic trap creation will also grow.
I do not know the value of proper magnetic moment of x-boson, which is
a constituent part of magnetic hole.
Now I think that probability of Earth explosion, caused by growing
magnetic holes, are:
40% under 1.2 TeV;
60% under 3.5 TeV;
70% under 7 TeV.
Yesterday, November 24, we tried to organize a meeting of protest
against CERN and Russian Academy of Sciences. But in 10 minutes we
were dismissed by militia.
PD
Oooh, that's today!
zzbu...@netscape.net
> On Nov 24, 12:34 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.lhc-concern.info/
> > Nov 20 2009: Official Press release of “conCERNed international”
> > Today, an international group of critics and experts filed a complaint
> > at the Human Rights Committee of the United Nations at Geneva
> > concerning risks and dangers of the planned experiments at the Large
> > Hadron Collider (LHC) operated by the European Organization of Nuclear
> > Research (CERN) in Switzerland. The group impeaches the CERN member
> > states, especially Switzerland, France and Germany, for not having
> > carried out their legal responsibilities to ensure citicens’ safety.
>
> > -------------------
> > But:
> > First collisions were implemented November 23.
> > Now CERN is ready to rise up the energy of collisions.
> > -------------------
>
> > Today, November 24, we'll try to organize a meeting of protest against
> > CERN and Russian Academy of Sciences.
Well, that's impossile, since Russia doesn't have a department of
science,
they have a department of particles. Which is why the people who
understand science on self-replicating machines, topology,
holographics, and laser-guided phasors
rather than linear accelerators. And work on Cyber Batteries,
Hybrid-Electric Energy,
and Self-Assembling Robots, rather than Marxism.
And work on XML, rather than Chess, And work on Desktop
Publishing, USB, Optical Computers,
HDTV, Home Broadband, Atomic Clock Wristwatchs, Blue Ray, and
Rapid Prototyping,
rather than Pravda.
>
> > Moscow, Zubovskij bulvar, 4. Near the Russian Informational Agency
> > "Novosti".
>
> Now I ask you a simple question: What happens when they ramp up the
> energy and nothing bad happens?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Magnetic
next day is about 2-3%.
The probability that you will be killed by CERN till December 25 is
about 30%.
Say about these probabilities to your President.
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
Inertial
news:efacbea3-8be5-4bcc...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
The probability that you are a complete lunatic is 100%
eric gisse
And when nothing happens?
jmfbahciv
CERN faked it? I keep being astounded at people's gullibility; I
wonder how much money this OP forked over when he listened to
C-to-C.
/BAH
Marvin the Martian
Let's give thanks that the world is going to end. Then we won't have to
suffer this end of the world drivel anymore.
funkenstein
> > Over the past billions of years, cosmic rays with energies higher than that of
> > the LHC have collided with earth and its atmosphere vastly more often than the
> > beams in the LHC will do. None of them have destroyed the earth or its inhabitants.
> > Tom Roberts
>
> Another crude error, made in the CERN’s safety documentation, is in
> equating of the consequences of protons collisions at LHC with
> collisions of cosmic particles with atmospheric ones.
>
> To see the drastic difference between such consequences, let’s make
> two thought experiments.
> There are two 10 kg bottles with neutrons.
> Additional requirements, used in the model: 1. free neutrons do not
> decay; 2. proton do not capture neutron; 3. any nuclei, heavier than
> proton, can capture free neutron; 4. neutrons do not interact with
> the
> matter of bottle; 5. the density of neutrons in the bottle is the
> same
> as of water.
>
> A. Let somebody put one slowly moving nucleus into the bottle.
> Neutrons will begin to be captured by the growing and dividing
> nuclei.
> In a couple of moments this laboratory will be exploded a town will
> look like Hiroshima after the nuclear attack.
> B. If somebody will bombard the same bottle by nuclei, having the
> kinetic energy about several TeV, he will see that nuclei are ruined
> in collisions and formed a cloud of protons and neutrons.
>
> A. Approximate way of reactions can look like this dividing chain:
> He3+n -> He4;
> He4+n -> He5;
> He5+n -> He6 -> Li6+e;
> Li6+n -> Li7;
> Li7+n -> Li8 -> Be8+e;
> Be8+n -> Be9;
> Be9+n -> Be10;
> ...
> U235+n -> X+Y+2n
> X+n ->...; Y+n ->...
> two branches;
> ...
> four branches;
> ...
> eight branches;
> ...
> Collaptical explosion!
>
> B. Nuclei with TeV kinetic energy will be ruined by high energy
> collisions with neutrons in the backward order in crude
> approximation.
>
> Nuclear collapse is impossible because the repulsive electrostatic
> forces of protons. That is way, I named nuclei by “nuclear quasi-
> holes”.
> Magnetic collapse has no limit. Magnetic hole will grow till there is
> the food, - the matter of planet or star.
>
> The biggest error of CERN physicists is in the equating the
> consequences of A and B.
> A. Collisions of protons at LHC;
> B. Collisions of cosmic protons with atmospheric protons.
>
> Similarity: Energies in A and B are sufficient in order to make
> microscopic magnetic holes.
>
> Difference: Velocities of created holes relatively surrounding matter
> are drastically great.
> A. Magnetic holes, made on LHC, can have very small velocities, such
> as slow nucleus entered into the neutron-bottle, and exploded the
> town.
> B. According to conservation law of 4-momentum, cosmic holes have
> relativistic velocities, such as TeV nuclei, destructed in the
> neutron-
> bottle.
>
> Result:
> A. LHC’s holes will capture slowly moving particles and grow. The
> bigger hole becomes – the bigger its rate of growth.
> B. Atmosphere particles move relatively holes with relativistic
> velocities and, correspondingly, they have TeV kinetic energy,
> relatively holes. As a result, magnetic holes will be ruined almost
> immediately. Such collisions lead to creation of showers of secondary
> particles. Physicists observe such showers.
>
LOL Tom! I love the sneeze analogy, I am going to quote you on
that :)
As to the "relative velocity" magnetic.. the cosmic rays are coming
from all directions, and might hit atmospheric particles or even other
cosmic rays also moving in any direction. There are collisions with a
center of mass motion moving at almost any velocity you might want.
Sure they may be less frequent than 1 per second but still often
enough to know they have happened many times in the history of the
Earth.
Nothing new under the sun.
> In our upper model with two neutron-bottles we could see that
> bombardment of bottle by eV-nuclei can lead to Hiroshima-like
> explosion, but TeV-nuclei bombardment are safe. Correspondingly LHC-
> collisions can destroy the Earth; cosmic-atmospheric particle
> collisions occur constantly and safe.
spiritual energy
it has been proven wrong again and again. There is no such thing as
magnetic holes and his equations don't really describe nature.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?s=b76d8834d31ab5e452f0704ed438883f&showtopic=26582&st=0
Raymond Yohros
wrote:
> Ivan Gorelik (aka Magnetic) posted the same stuff in other forums and
> it has been proven wrong again and again. There is no such thing as
> magnetic holes and his equations don't really describe nature.
>
he should just let reasonable people do their jobs
and stop being crazy paranoid about it!
PD
> The probability that you will be killed by CERN in the period of the
> next day is about 2-3%.
> The probability that you will be killed by CERN till December 25 is
> about 30%.
Show your calculations.
Magnetic
performed in any of next days.
The probability that you will be killed by CERN under these collisions
is about 30%.
Contact CERN and demand to stop the global suicide:
European Organization for Nuclear Research
CERN CH-1211
Genève 23
Switzerland
Organisation Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire
F-01631
CERN Cedex France
Telephone Switchboard: +41 22 76 761 11
Central Fax: +41 22 76 765 55
CERN Phone and Email directory
Visitors Reception
Telephone number:+41 22 76 766 49
Email address: cern.re...@cern.ch
Opening hours: Monday - Friday from 08:00 to 18:00
Visits Service
Telephone number: +41 22 767 8484,
Fax: +41 22 767 8710 Website,
Email address: visits....@cern.ch
Press Office
Telephone number: 41 22 767 3432 / 2141
Fax: +41 22 785 0247
Email address: press....@cern.ch
PD
> Beams are already accelerated till 1180 GeV. Collisions can be
> performed in any of next days.
The collisions have been going on now for about a week.
> The probability that you will be killed by CERN under these collisions
> is about 30%.
Show this calculation.
>
> Contact CERN and demand to stop the global suicide:
>
> European Organization for Nuclear Research
> CERN CH-1211
> Genève 23
> Switzerland
>
> Organisation Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire
> F-01631
> CERN Cedex France
>
> Telephone Switchboard: +41 22 76 761 11
> Central Fax: +41 22 76 765 55
>
> CERN Phone and Email directory
>
> Visitors Reception
> Telephone number:+41 22 76 766 49
>
> Email address: cern.recept...@cern.ch
>
> Opening hours: Monday - Friday from 08:00 to 18:00
>
> Visits Service
> Telephone number: +41 22 767 8484,
> Fax: +41 22 767 8710 Website,
> Email address: visits.serv...@cern.ch
>
> Press Office
> Telephone number: 41 22 767 3432 / 2141
> Fax: +41 22 785 0247
> Email address: press.off...@cern.ch
Anti Vigilante
atmospheric particles or even other
cosmic rays also moving in any direction. There are collisions with a
> center of mass motion moving at almost any velocity you might want. Sure
> they may be less frequent than 1 per second but still often enough to
> know they have happened many times in the history of the Earth.
>
> Nothing new under the sun.
No they only go down so as to balance the infinite stack of turtles under
the Earth so that they don't fall over.
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Fuck the Enlightenment! Viva la Renaissance!