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anon...@noserver.com

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Aug 9, 2008, 4:16:52 PM8/9/08
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I have been experimenting with a triode valve oscillator with a tube of low
pressure hydrogen inside the coil.

The power is only about 10 watt but I can light a fluorescent tube placed
inside the coil. I have to touch the end for it to strike.

I am attempting to repeat Tesla's result where he puts a tube of low
pressure gas inside an induction coil and found that some gasses gave off
more power than he put in and became self sustaining.

He found the power increased as the pressure went down until a certain point
in the pressure curve when the power fell away as the pressure was decreased
still further.

He said hydrogen was the most poweful but that oxygen and nitrogen did it
too but neon and argon did not give the effect.

I'm using a valve instead of the interrupter wired as a radio frequency
oscillator.

I'm hoping I will get power out of the coil once I can ionise the hydrogen.
I will be using a tube hydrogen at 1 microbar with electrodes inserted at
each end.

If I get power out of the coil then I will be tapping the energy of hot
fusion of protons.

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Chris

Vince Morgan

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Aug 10, 2008, 9:02:57 PM8/10/08
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I didn't know Tesla did such experiments. Where did you read this?
Others have experimented with electrical dishcharges in gases of varying
pressures (Langmuir; Papp) with very interesting results, but I was unaware
that Tesla did also.
As for what they discovered (inadvertantly sometimes) I can't see how it
could be fusion. There are no fusion products observed or reported that I
have seen, and Papp would certainly have looked for them I think even if
earlier researchers did not.
I wouldn't be disapointed that it isn't fusion however. If it were you
would need to constantly supply fuel.
Vince


anon...@noserver.com

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Aug 13, 2008, 9:39:43 AM8/13/08
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There is some info on my experiments on:

http://www.newelectricity.co.uk/

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Chris

Chris

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Sep 10, 2008, 4:26:53 PM9/10/08
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I failed to ionise the hydrogen.

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Chris
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Chris

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Oct 13, 2008, 1:54:23 PM10/13/08
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The tube I used was found to have helium in it afterwards and it emitted
gamma at the positron-electron anhiliation energy during the test.


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Vince Morgan

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Oct 14, 2008, 4:10:32 AM10/14/08
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"Chris" <an...@noserver.com> wrote in message
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> The tube I used was found to have helium in it afterwards and it emitted
> gamma at the positron-electron anhiliation energy during the test.
>
>
> "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> > <anon...@noserver.com> wrote in message
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> >> I have been experimenting with a triode valve oscillator with a tube of
> > low
> >> pressure hydrogen inside the coil.
[snip]

> >> If I get power out of the coil then I will be tapping the energy of hot
> >> fusion of protons.
> >
> > I didn't know Tesla did such experiments. Where did you read this?
> > Others have experimented with electrical dishcharges in gases of varying
> > pressures (Langmuir; Papp) with very interesting results, but I was
> > unaware
> > that Tesla did also.
> > As for what they discovered (inadvertantly sometimes) I can't see how it
> > could be fusion. There are no fusion products observed or reported that
I
> > have seen, and Papp would certainly have looked for them I think even
if
> > earlier researchers did not.
> > I wouldn't be disapointed that it isn't fusion however. If it were you
> > would need to constantly supply fuel.
> > Vince

Well, what can I say?
This is very interesting indeed Chris.
I've had a look at your site and I'll keep doing so I think.
You didn't explain the setup though. The last time I looked at your site
you hadn't managed to get the hydrogen to ionize IIRC.
May I ask what the working arrangement is?
Regards,
Vince

Chris

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Oct 20, 2008, 3:34:07 PM10/20/08
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It is a tuned circuit excited by a valve with the hydrogen tube inside the
coil.


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Vince Morgan

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Oct 20, 2008, 7:57:37 PM10/20/08
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> It is a tuned circuit excited by a valve with the hydrogen tube inside the
> coil.
I noticed electrodes in either end of the tubes you were using on your site,
in addition to the coil around the tube.
Are these elctrodes wired into the circuit of the working device?
Vince


Chris

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Oct 26, 2008, 6:09:05 AM10/26/08
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The tube with electrodes is a test device. The working device has no
electrodes.

The idea is that the radio frequency current in the coil ionized the low
pressure hydrogen and then compresses the resulting plasma into a small area
near the axis of the coil. This conducting gas then gets very hot as the
result of ohmic heating. The heating effect is highest near the axis because
the current density is highest there. When a very small volume near the
centre of the coil gets hot enough the fusion reaction reactions and this
causes the gas to expand against the containg magnetic field making current
in the coil that then maintains oscillations and delivers power.


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Chris

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Oct 26, 2008, 6:10:51 AM10/26/08
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> The tube I used was found to have helium in it afterwards and it emitted
> gamma at the positron-electron anhiliation energy during the test.
This was in a test done 40 years ago. In the present tests I have been
unable to ionise the hydrogen.

Vince Morgan

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Oct 27, 2008, 4:14:00 AM10/27/08
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"Chris" <an...@noserver.com> wrote in message
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> The tube with electrodes is a test device. The working device has no
> electrodes.
>
> The idea is that the radio frequency current in the coil ionized the low
> pressure hydrogen and then compresses the resulting plasma into a small
area
> near the axis of the coil. This conducting gas then gets very hot as the
> result of ohmic heating. The heating effect is highest near the axis
because
> the current density is highest there. When a very small volume near the
> centre of the coil gets hot enough the fusion reaction reactions and this
> causes the gas to expand against the containg magnetic field making
current
> in the coil that then maintains oscillations and delivers power.
>
I might be confused. Nope, that's a certainty.
Without electrodes I can't see how a current can exist within such an
arrangement, unless the changing flux in the coil is creating an E field?
However, as you have stated in a more recent post that in the original
experiment there was found both helium and gamma corresponding to electron
positron anihilation it's hard not to accept that fusion was taking place.
After perusing your site I can see you are certainly no beginner, and I see
no reason to disbeleive you whatsoever, so this interests me very much
indeed!
Vince


Chris

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Nov 8, 2008, 5:56:32 PM11/8/08
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Thank you, Vince.
I'm now awaiting the delivery of some lower presure hydrogen tubes that I
hope will ionise in my coil.

Yes it is the E-field of the electromagnetic radiation inside the tube that
ionises the hydrogen and then the same radiation heats the plasma and also
the radiation pressure compresses the ionised gas towards the axis.


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