Mystified by results
Chris Eccles
but the interest shown by subscribers to this group (reflected in the
pile of email I have received) has made me reserve some more lab time
for further investigations.
To the many who wrote to me (rightly sceptical) I have to say
unequivocally that this is NOT some kind of hoax. It's nowhere near
April 1st and I am 50 years old, a serious researcher with a healthy
career in mainstream electronic physics, and not given to the kind of
tom-foolery that belongs in the student common-room during rag-week.
What we are talking about here is the possibility of some kind of
hitherto-unknown relationship between dynamically-changing tensor
fields. Magnetism, particularly intrinsic, remanent magnetism, is one
of the few phenomena that remain relatively badly delineated by
current quantum theory and I, for one, am prepared to admit that there
are huge holes in my own fundamental understanding of it. If a simple,
but rarely-occuring-in-nature, juxtaposition of non-scalar fields is
capable of either creating (or destroying) spin-2, zero mass mediating
particles, then there is the real possibility of manipulating and
engineering the gravitational field. It becomes an exciting prospect
but not one which should lead any of us into assuming that the Sinclaire
device actually manifests such an effect.
The secondary EM effects are quite interesting. Has anyone else built
anything which comes close to displaying the same anomalies ?
Please feel free to email me direct and suggest guidelines for a
concerted research pathway on this. There is too much indiscipline and
disorganisation in "fringe" physics for anyone to feel secure about such
work. Lack of published matter in mainstream journals (for obvious and
valid reasons) gives rise to the feeling that one is trying to "swim
through treacle" even commencing such a programme of research.
It is, I think, fundamentally important to distinguish between a
mass-shielding effect (where a device purports to alter the measured
strength of the Earth's [or any] grav field "above" the device), and an
effect which indicates that an entire, physically-linked, chunk of
equipment can be made to behave as though it has shed grav mass. The
one case illustrates that a tensor field can be manipulated vectorally
(and few would find fault with the math of this); the other possibly is
suggesting that a property of matter which we have all believed to be
sacrosanct and writ-in-stone for several centuries is, in fact, a deal
more woolly than we believed it to be.
I remain very puzzled.
Chris
Peter Heckert
I´m not a physics-scientist or engineer.
However, I am interested to understand the facts.
Chris Eccles schrieb in Nachricht
<1dh29h7.19v...@dialup-001.ennis.iol.ie>...
>Since the first test of the device, we have not done a great deal
>but the interest shown by subscribers to this group (reflected in the
>pile of email I have received) has made me reserve some more lab time
>for further investigations.
>
>To the many who wrote to me (rightly sceptical) I have to say
>unequivocally that this is NOT some kind of hoax. It's nowhere near
>April 1st and I am 50 years old, a serious researcher with a healthy
>career in mainstream electronic physics, and not given to the kind of
>tom-foolery that belongs in the student common-room during rag-week.
>
>The secondary ___EM effects___ are quite interesting. Has anyone else
built
>anything which comes close to displaying the same anomalies ?
>
My question would be of common interest to all people which really want to
know whats going on here:
From the previous message:
>(3.85%) and every ____computer terminal___ and ___fluorescent lamp___
in the lab went
>ape !
I would like to know this:
Terminals (picture beam tubes) and fluorescent lamps have something in
common,they are emmiting fluorescent light.
They can react to (strong) magnetic fields.
Did the motor not go ape?
Did non fluorescent devices (for example computers) go ape?
Was the mains voltage monitored? Did it go ape?
I would be glad to have a picture and a more complete description of the
experiment.
I would be glad to have a picture and a more complete description of the
experiment as you made it.
Can you also give the URL of the original description?
Thanks in advance.
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Best Wishes. Peter Heckert ph...@z.zgs.de
Die Dummheit der Menschen ist die,dass jeder klüger sein will.
Das hat einer gesagt,der besonders klug sein wollte.
Chris Eccles
built is nearly a replica of something called the Searl Levi-Disk. It
is exceedingly difficult to get any sound and reliable information from
anyone on this device !
I appreciate the email from Mr Sterniman; it seems well-reasoned and I
am replying soon when I have attempted to set the math of it straight in
my own terms.
I am unused to newsgroups and their etiquette, and I hope regular
readers will forgive the inevitable confusion of a novitiate ?
It seems that we can summarise as follows:
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When the flux of an N-pole cuts the flux of an S-pole such that the
tensor fields experience the maximum tendency to repel (pi/2), we create
an electric field in whatever gap exists between the sources of the
flux. We will also, a priori, because of the fact that the disk does
not rotate its magnets in concentricity with those on the outer wall, be
setting up a variation of transfer of angular momentum of the
electromagnetic field associated with the electric field cutting flux
all the time the disk is turning. This eccentricity has an interesting
locus and traces out a cylindrical path of wall-thickness equal to twice
the original eccentricity of the magnet ring on the disk (when
stationary).
We are going to run the device again soon, using a remote spring balance
to ascertain the apparent mass loss so that there is no chance of an
interaction between the pan balance and the device. Also, in answer to
many queries, "No, it's not electromagnetic interference from the motor
which caused the strange effects." Running the motor free is fine. It
came from a vacuum pump which had been running in the lab for ages !
Anyway, after thirty years in physics, I've yet to encounter a 50Hz
mains induction motor that could dim-out flu-tubes and blow up LCD's.
More news when we have it.
Please keep ideas flowing in - this device threatens to prevent me from
building the HV/HF switches which we are supposed to be producing !!!!!
Chris
Peter Heckert
Chris Eccles schrieb in Nachricht
>I have just been told by someone in the lab that what we actually have
>built is nearly a replica of something called the Searl Levi-Disk. It
>is exceedingly difficult to get any sound and reliable information from
>anyone on this device !
You can get information about the "Searl effect" at this Site:
http://www.servtech.com/~discjt/index.html
Most of the Information presented there is not free.
Membership is required.
Citate:
*Our membership fee is $50.00 yearly (the cost of just one book from Prof.
*Searl's "The Law of the Squares" series.) This membership fee will help in
*the very costly efforts in progress to recreate a working SEG, and in
*return, we will share with you our progress and updates in doing so. If you
*would like additional information about membership, you may contact John
*Thomas.
Professor Searl is investigating free energy and levitation devices since
the late 1940s.
He claims to have build working flying saucers.
If this where true,he would have a good chance for the nobel price :-).
Don´t know if he has discovered something new.
However,it seems that he has discovered a better way to make money.
>More news when we have it.
You should already have more news.
Do you want to publish them?
How does the force correlate to rotation speed.?
"Go ape" is a very unscientific description.
Can you describe more precisely what happened and to which objects
id happened/didn´t happen?
Is there a chance for this device to make a human brain "go ape" ??
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Best Wishes. Peter Heckert ph...@z.zgs.de
Die Dummheit der Menschen ist die,dass jeder schlauer sein will.
Das hat einer gesagt,der besonders schlau sein wollte.
Peter Heckert
http://www.euronet.nl/users/jeavo/HOMEPAGE1.htm
Be prepared that you will be confronted with magic squares,scientology and a
lot of other stuff.
However,one wouldn´t need to investigate this further.
The company D.I.S.K. is trying to build a real flying saucer.
They want to go public if they succeed.
So, we all will hear from this in a short time.
Maybe, someday they publish it and they can´t show anything because
the disk was flying away and didn´t come back :-)
I think, they are not only seeking for antigravity and free energy.
They are seeking for free money too. :-)
Peter.
JLSEM
>The company D.I.S.K. is trying to build a real flying saucer.
>They want to go public if they succeed.
I have a homunculus in my basement if they're looking for a test pilot.
John
Eduardo S. Prado
What happens if you spin the other direction ??
Is the same effect in both ??
I would like to make the experiments myself also
Eduardo
Peter Heckert
I want to give a public answer to some email I got.
>Hello Mr. Heckert, I hope that I am not wrong in presuming that this
>discussion is on the anomalies that arise in configuring
electromagnetic
>fields.
>Please respond and also send any spooled background on this discussion.
>Like you I am also very interested in the facts and would enjoy a
>clearer representation.
Hello Mr. ...,
Mr. Eccles said,that it is difficult to get serious information about
the "Searl Effekt".
So I presented the URL
http://www.servtech.com/~discjt/index.html
This link is from Professor Searls Institute. If you read the contents
of it,you would see,
that there is no serious Information about this Effekt therein. And
Prof.Searl had investigated
this for about 50 years. There are some unserious claims made therein.
Mr. Eccles tried to explain the effect in mathematical terms.
As a scientist he would know,that it is impossible to explain this
"antigravity" force
basing on existing EM theory. No matter how sophisticated his
mathematical methods were,its just
impossible.
There are two possibilities to explain the effect:
1: There is an unknown Side Effekt. Examples: Air movement. Simple to
check,just put the apparatus inside a closed plastic bag. Uncorrect
readings
of an electronic balance due to vibrations. If the vibration would be
equal
to the sampling frequency of the ADC in an balance,there would be
incorrect
readings. Simple to detect. Just try another balance and compare the
results.Extremely strong magnetic fields induced by currents in the
alloy
fence. This would be easy to detect. It would be a new discovery wich
cannot
be explained by current EM theory. I dont believe this,but if there
would
be an good documented experiment and reliable arguments,then I would try
to verify it.
If this all holds for untrue,and _only_ then, we come to
possibility Nr. 2:
2. There could be indeed a new physical effect. (for example scalar
waves)
I have readed some texts of Tom Bearden. He gave arguments for scalar
waves and other
things. There are a lot of incredible things claimed,for example,cancer
healing.
There are a lot of other theories which are mathematically correct and
have philosophicaland religous contents in them. However,they can´t be
verified by experiments.
Science without measurements and experiments is not science,it is
speculation.
I love scientific speculations.
Speculation is not the case here,we are talking about an experiment.
Therefore only scientific methods can give results we can rely on.
Therefore it would be most important to collect facts about this:
Correlation between rotation speed and rotation direction to the effect?
Has variing the number of magnets an effect? Which?
How strong are the magnets? (I dont know what a "button magnet" is)
Has variing the polarity of the magnets an effect? Wich?
If there is some new physical principle discovered,then you would need
as
much as possible
facts in terms of measurement values and correlations.
Developing new theories would then be much easier and less error prone.
I cannot develop theories,I´m not a scientist.
In the posting of Mr. Eccles I cannot see much effort to investigate
this in a scientific way,as I described it here.
Therefore I cannot understand why he is posting this to a scientific
newsgroup.
If he wants to keep his discovery secret,then he shouldnt post it here.
I am in doubt if this story is true or if it was presented here just to
test the reactions....
Thank you for answering.
I hope you can understand my unperfect english and you understood what I
wanted to say.
Best Regards.
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