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Archimedes Plutonium
Jan 30, 2012, 2:27:57 PM1/30/12
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It is easy to disqualify both the Cavendish experiment and the Casimir
Experiment because neither experiment aims to separate out mechanical
gravity with that of electrostatics. Both Cavendish and Casimir make
no allowances for the effects of EM force in their experiment and both
of these experiments are generalized under the Electroscope.
Reading Wikipedia on the crudeness of Cavendish experiment:
"Actually, the rod was never at rest; Cavendish had to measure the
deflection angle of the rod while it was oscillating."
That crudeness has not be eliminated from the Cavendish Experiment
even to this day, as one modern day set up of the Cavendish Experiment
still does not differentiate a torque caused by ambient static
electricity or caused by "alleged mass attraction". Cavendish could
have worn a silk coat and repeated the experiment to where the torque
rod goes in the opposite direction of a repulsion.
Here is a website that pictures the Cavendish experiment.
http://physics-animations.com/Physics/English/top_ref.htm
Now both the Cavendish Experiment and Casimir were not well done
experiments for they focused on a preconception-- gravity is mass
attraction, and both failed to eliminate gravity as a EM effect.
One can set up the Cavendish Experiment and leave the lead balls
(sorry I called them iron balls), totally out of the experiment and
have only the measuring torque rod remaining. And where the
experimenter is asked to wear different clothing for static
electricity so that he wears silk or rabbit fur.
And as he comes close to the torque rod, the static electricity turns
the entire experiment into not gravity but an Electroscope.
--- quoting Wikipedia on electroscope ---
An electroscope is an early scientific instrument that is used to
detect the presence and magnitude of electric charge on a body. It was
the first electrical measuring instrument. The first electroscope, a
pivoted needle called the versorium, was invented by British physician
William Gilbert around 1600.[1] The pith-ball electroscope and the
gold-leaf electroscope are two classical types of electroscope that
are still used in physics education to demonstrate the principles of
electrostatics. A type of electroscope is also used in the quartz
fiber radiation dosimeter.
--- end quote ---
Now as for the Casimir experiment and its very recent repeat
experiments
such as where one experimenter, in order to achieve precision makes
only one plate. The trouble with all of these Casimir experiments is
that they also deny that static electricity has more of a role than
their thoughts of an end result of the plates attracting. For in the
electroscope, the leafs repel and as soon as you touch the top plate
and discharge the electrode, that the leafs come together. Likewise,
for the Casimir plates, in that no attention for detail was given to
eliminate the fact that two plates is more likely to be a Electricity
Magnetism experiment and not that of a gravity like attraction of
plates.
The Casimir Experiment then reduces to the utter disgrace of a
distortion of the Electroscope experiment, where instead of the gold
leaves of the electroscope, those leafs are hypothesized to be long
leafs, no ambient electricity or magnetism, which is silly and
ludicrous.
Both the Cavendish Experiment and the Casimir Experiment are side
experiments of the electroscope.
The torque exists in the Cavendish Experiment, but the important
question is whether that torque was caused by electricity magnetism
and not be the illusion that mass attracts mass in Newtonian gravity.
As I said, we eliminate the lead balls altogether and perform the
experiment and due to ambient static electricity, we make the rod
deflect as if the lead balls were still there, yet they are absent.
The trouble with the Cavendish and Casimir experiments is that often,
scientists are looking for something and focused only on getting that
something and ignoring everything else which cannot be ignored.
Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Experiment because neither experiment aims to separate out mechanical
gravity with that of electrostatics. Both Cavendish and Casimir make
no allowances for the effects of EM force in their experiment and both
of these experiments are generalized under the Electroscope.
Reading Wikipedia on the crudeness of Cavendish experiment:
"Actually, the rod was never at rest; Cavendish had to measure the
deflection angle of the rod while it was oscillating."
That crudeness has not be eliminated from the Cavendish Experiment
even to this day, as one modern day set up of the Cavendish Experiment
still does not differentiate a torque caused by ambient static
electricity or caused by "alleged mass attraction". Cavendish could
have worn a silk coat and repeated the experiment to where the torque
rod goes in the opposite direction of a repulsion.
Here is a website that pictures the Cavendish experiment.
http://physics-animations.com/Physics/English/top_ref.htm
Now both the Cavendish Experiment and Casimir were not well done
experiments for they focused on a preconception-- gravity is mass
attraction, and both failed to eliminate gravity as a EM effect.
One can set up the Cavendish Experiment and leave the lead balls
(sorry I called them iron balls), totally out of the experiment and
have only the measuring torque rod remaining. And where the
experimenter is asked to wear different clothing for static
electricity so that he wears silk or rabbit fur.
And as he comes close to the torque rod, the static electricity turns
the entire experiment into not gravity but an Electroscope.
--- quoting Wikipedia on electroscope ---
An electroscope is an early scientific instrument that is used to
detect the presence and magnitude of electric charge on a body. It was
the first electrical measuring instrument. The first electroscope, a
pivoted needle called the versorium, was invented by British physician
William Gilbert around 1600.[1] The pith-ball electroscope and the
gold-leaf electroscope are two classical types of electroscope that
are still used in physics education to demonstrate the principles of
electrostatics. A type of electroscope is also used in the quartz
fiber radiation dosimeter.
--- end quote ---
Now as for the Casimir experiment and its very recent repeat
experiments
such as where one experimenter, in order to achieve precision makes
only one plate. The trouble with all of these Casimir experiments is
that they also deny that static electricity has more of a role than
their thoughts of an end result of the plates attracting. For in the
electroscope, the leafs repel and as soon as you touch the top plate
and discharge the electrode, that the leafs come together. Likewise,
for the Casimir plates, in that no attention for detail was given to
eliminate the fact that two plates is more likely to be a Electricity
Magnetism experiment and not that of a gravity like attraction of
plates.
The Casimir Experiment then reduces to the utter disgrace of a
distortion of the Electroscope experiment, where instead of the gold
leaves of the electroscope, those leafs are hypothesized to be long
leafs, no ambient electricity or magnetism, which is silly and
ludicrous.
Both the Cavendish Experiment and the Casimir Experiment are side
experiments of the electroscope.
The torque exists in the Cavendish Experiment, but the important
question is whether that torque was caused by electricity magnetism
and not be the illusion that mass attracts mass in Newtonian gravity.
As I said, we eliminate the lead balls altogether and perform the
experiment and due to ambient static electricity, we make the rod
deflect as if the lead balls were still there, yet they are absent.
The trouble with the Cavendish and Casimir experiments is that often,
scientists are looking for something and focused only on getting that
something and ignoring everything else which cannot be ignored.
Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Archimedes Plutonium
Jan 31, 2012, 2:57:21 AM1/31/12
to
On Jan 30, 1:27 pm, Archimedes Plutonium
There are a lot of bad images on the Internet of the Cavendish
Experiment that lulls
people into thinking that the torsion bar twisting is easily seen.
From what I recall of
accounts of the experiment is that the twist is so tiny that the air
in the room had to
be controlled for a air fan would damage the reading.
Now I looked to see what materials the experiment was composed of and
there are steel
wire and steel rods and lead weights.
So what I am saying is that no caution was given to the Cavendish
Experiment that
avoided electricity and magnetism as what is measured.
For example, suppose we built the Experiment in a room where we had a
shag carpet and
wore shoes that created static electricity and wore a coat that
created static electricity and the walked up to the apparatus. Some of
that charge would, like an electroscope charge the ends of the rod
with the lead weight and even charge the reeds of torque measuring.
And I see no attempt in the modern repeat experiments to eliminate
electricity and magnetism
from making the torque twist.
In fact, I can envision a mock experiment where we have eliminated one
set of the weights and due to static electricity, still observe a
twist in the torsion bar. Perhaps we can have an experiment that
eliminates all the weights of Cavendish Experiment and walk up to the
measuring device and still see a torque twist due to the static
electricity.
Now I myself have some 50 lbs steel weights on wires that have been
placed near one another
to see if the one was a perceptible attraction to the other, due to
Newtonian gravity, but I failed to ever perceive it. On the other
hand, I used to have silk shirt for bed and when I moved around in
bed, the static electricity was almost like a electric thunderstorm of
bolts of electricity that it was like a flashlight in bed.
Now I never wore my silk shirt with those two 50 lb steel weights near
one another and then cause some static electricity on my shirt and put
my hands near the two weights and see if it affect the weights. Maybe
I should.
My contention is that in the Casimir Effect and in the Cavendish
Experiment, that both of those devices function as electroscopes with
ambient electricity or magnetism in the environment, then they are
experiments of mass attracting mass in Newtonian gravity. Both of
those experiments are at a level of precision that they cannot
separate out the ambient electricity/magnetism of the materials
involved or the environment of the device.
So I offer an advice or opinion. Use the Electroscope itself as a
Cavendish Experiment. Let the leafs touch each other as close as
possible, then see how much electricity it takes to separate the leafs
by a tiny measurable amount. So we tabulate the smallest amount of
electricity that moves the leaves apart the smallest measureable
distance. Now we remove the current, and see if Newtonian gravity or
General Relativity can again close that tiny distance of separation of
the two leafs involved. My guess is that the leafs can never get any
closer, because gravity of mass attracting other mass is a nonexistent
force. Gravity is EM-gravity.
If I take my 50 lb weights and suspend them to a measurable small
distance apart, and then
rub on a silk shirt near the weights, then I move them.
In the case of the Cavendish Experiment, we have no way of knowing
with the electricity magnetism inherent in the materials used or in
the prescence of the persons measuring the twist of the torsion bar
imparted some electricity and thus ruined any reading.
Now some modern day Cavendish Experiments use laser light beams, but
those gadgets are
electric powered and thus they impart a very tiny current or magnetic
field onto the torsion bar
itself and how are we to know that the torque was created from that
laser gadget itself.
Experiment that lulls
people into thinking that the torsion bar twisting is easily seen.
From what I recall of
accounts of the experiment is that the twist is so tiny that the air
in the room had to
be controlled for a air fan would damage the reading.
Now I looked to see what materials the experiment was composed of and
there are steel
wire and steel rods and lead weights.
So what I am saying is that no caution was given to the Cavendish
Experiment that
avoided electricity and magnetism as what is measured.
For example, suppose we built the Experiment in a room where we had a
shag carpet and
wore shoes that created static electricity and wore a coat that
created static electricity and the walked up to the apparatus. Some of
that charge would, like an electroscope charge the ends of the rod
with the lead weight and even charge the reeds of torque measuring.
And I see no attempt in the modern repeat experiments to eliminate
electricity and magnetism
from making the torque twist.
In fact, I can envision a mock experiment where we have eliminated one
set of the weights and due to static electricity, still observe a
twist in the torsion bar. Perhaps we can have an experiment that
eliminates all the weights of Cavendish Experiment and walk up to the
measuring device and still see a torque twist due to the static
electricity.
Now I myself have some 50 lbs steel weights on wires that have been
placed near one another
to see if the one was a perceptible attraction to the other, due to
Newtonian gravity, but I failed to ever perceive it. On the other
hand, I used to have silk shirt for bed and when I moved around in
bed, the static electricity was almost like a electric thunderstorm of
bolts of electricity that it was like a flashlight in bed.
Now I never wore my silk shirt with those two 50 lb steel weights near
one another and then cause some static electricity on my shirt and put
my hands near the two weights and see if it affect the weights. Maybe
I should.
My contention is that in the Casimir Effect and in the Cavendish
Experiment, that both of those devices function as electroscopes with
ambient electricity or magnetism in the environment, then they are
experiments of mass attracting mass in Newtonian gravity. Both of
those experiments are at a level of precision that they cannot
separate out the ambient electricity/magnetism of the materials
involved or the environment of the device.
So I offer an advice or opinion. Use the Electroscope itself as a
Cavendish Experiment. Let the leafs touch each other as close as
possible, then see how much electricity it takes to separate the leafs
by a tiny measurable amount. So we tabulate the smallest amount of
electricity that moves the leaves apart the smallest measureable
distance. Now we remove the current, and see if Newtonian gravity or
General Relativity can again close that tiny distance of separation of
the two leafs involved. My guess is that the leafs can never get any
closer, because gravity of mass attracting other mass is a nonexistent
force. Gravity is EM-gravity.
If I take my 50 lb weights and suspend them to a measurable small
distance apart, and then
rub on a silk shirt near the weights, then I move them.
In the case of the Cavendish Experiment, we have no way of knowing
with the electricity magnetism inherent in the materials used or in
the prescence of the persons measuring the twist of the torsion bar
imparted some electricity and thus ruined any reading.
Now some modern day Cavendish Experiments use laser light beams, but
those gadgets are
electric powered and thus they impart a very tiny current or magnetic
field onto the torsion bar
itself and how are we to know that the torque was created from that
laser gadget itself.
Szczepan Bialek
Jan 31, 2012, 3:37:30 AM1/31/12
to
"Archimedes Plutonium" <plutonium....@gmail.com> napisal w
wiadomosci
news:f66d6c2c-ef48-4010...@c13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> It is easy to disqualify both the Cavendish experiment and the Casimir
> Experiment because neither experiment aims to separate out mechanical
> gravity with that of electrostatics. Both Cavendish and Casimir make
> no allowances for the effects of EM force in their experiment and both
> of these experiments are generalized under the Electroscope.
>
> Reading Wikipedia on the crudeness of Cavendish experiment:
> "Actually, the rod was never at rest; Cavendish had to measure the
> deflection angle of the rod while it was oscillating."
>
> That crudeness has not be eliminated from the Cavendish Experiment
> even to this day, as one modern day set up of the Cavendish Experiment
> still does not differentiate a torque caused by ambient static
> electricity or caused by "alleged mass attraction". Cavendish could
> have worn a silk coat and repeated the experiment to where the torque
> rod goes in the opposite direction of a repulsion.
>
> Here is a website that pictures the Cavendish experiment.
>
> http://physics-animations.com/Physics/English/top_ref.htm
"The experiment was popularly known as weighing the Earth because
> Experiment because neither experiment aims to separate out mechanical
> gravity with that of electrostatics. Both Cavendish and Casimir make
> no allowances for the effects of EM force in their experiment and both
> of these experiments are generalized under the Electroscope.
>
> Reading Wikipedia on the crudeness of Cavendish experiment:
> "Actually, the rod was never at rest; Cavendish had to measure the
> deflection angle of the rod while it was oscillating."
>
> That crudeness has not be eliminated from the Cavendish Experiment
> even to this day, as one modern day set up of the Cavendish Experiment
> still does not differentiate a torque caused by ambient static
> electricity or caused by "alleged mass attraction". Cavendish could
> have worn a silk coat and repeated the experiment to where the torque
> rod goes in the opposite direction of a repulsion.
>
> Here is a website that pictures the Cavendish experiment.
>
> http://physics-animations.com/Physics/English/top_ref.htm
determination of G permitted calculation of the Earth's mass."
"the Cavendish Experiment still does not differentiate a torque caused by
ambient static electricity or caused by "alleged mass attraction".
the Earth is wrong.
But thank this we have fantastic theory on the iron core of the Earth.
surface and know the real mass of the Earth.
S*
Archimedes Plutonium
Jan 31, 2012, 4:40:57 AM1/31/12
to
On Jan 31, 2:37 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
> "Archimedes Plutonium" <plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> napisal w
> wiadomoscinews:f66d6c2c-ef48-4010...@c13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
(snipped)
upon. That we actually
do not have a good way of measuring the true mass of Earth, or any
other astro body.
So I do not know if there is some more accurate way of mass measure. I
would guess that
with EM-gravity, the measure is close enough. One would think that
accurate measure of size
and then average mass per unit volume, then multiply.
Some EM-gravity can be excessive such as in rigid body rotation, and
then some can be a
minimum such as in an asteroid with its moon.
When we shift from Newtonian-gravity to EM-gravity we shift to making
volume more important
and then an average density over that volume.
We maybe surprised about the Moon, in that we relied on Newtonian
gravity to predict the mass of the Moon, and found it to be rather
less dense, but with EM-gravity, we may have that mass very much
wrong, and that the Moon may have a dense core as the Earth has. I
feel and would not be surprised to find that data from the Moon is
different than that which we have come to believe is true.
I want to talk about disqualifying the Casimir Effect Experiment. It
is believed there is a attraction between the two plates. But any
attraction, I suspect is only a uneven distribution of the charges in
the two plates. And that would also suggest that there be a repulsion
and bending outwards of some Casimir plates. Here again, I suspect an
electroscope can model the Casimir effect and show that repulsion does
occur. But far worse for the Casimir Effect than the Cavendish
Experiment, is that I believe there is no Casimir effect at all. I
believe that the Casimir Effect relies on ideas of assumptions that
are unwarranted. The assumption of a vacuum and of "pieces of the EM
wave". I think that if Casimir himself was given the idea that the
Maxwell Equations the 6 equations as axioms of physics, that physics
has no Casimir Effect.
My main objection to the Casimir Effect is that it assumes that two
plates can have their charges idealized away. The vacuum itself is an
idealization. The idea that a EM wave can be
"pieced" is an idealization. So I have mentioned three "idealizations"
which have no basis given the 6 Maxwell Equations. The worst one of
those idealizations is to think that the charges embedded in the
plates can be eliminated or ignored in the effect. And thus, since the
charges cannot be eliminated or ignored, that we can never have an
effect of less EM inside the plates versus, outside the plates. In
other words, there is nothing in the Maxwell Equations to support a
Casimir Effect, but rather the reverse, there are a lot of assumptions
that are counter to the Maxwell Equations.
Let me give two examples from common day experience that relates to
Casimir Effect. I have a woodstove in winter and sometimes the soot or
ash finds its way into the ambient air and especially on the TV
screen, since the screen is charged. What I want to point out is that
two materials near one another form plates but we can never remove the
basic charge of the atoms in those plates. Another experience is at
grocery store checkout are those thin plastic bags and sometimes hard
to separate, because of the electric charge between them.
So in the Casimir Effect, there is no physics there, because what we
end up measuring is not a
density of EM between the plates versus outside the plates, but the EM
of the atoms in the plates themselves, for which we cannot
distinguish. There is one fact in Quantum Mechanics that contradicts
the Casimir Effect-- the Quantum Well.
And another poignant bit of information, whether the Casimir Effect is
true or not true, nothing else in physics depends on it, which
logically indicates it was never true. If it were true that Mars had a
lot of water, has important consequences, but if true that Casimir
Effect exists has no consequences. In mathematics we often have
examples of this, for it does not matter if the
Fermat's Last Theorem is true or false because nothing else in math is
dependent on it, which indicates that there is a deep misunderstanding
of the elements that make up FLT-- such as what is finite versus
infinite. If I were to say that the mass of the Sun was gray and
called it the Gray Effect, that some may think such a statement is
worthy of endeavor and experiment, when all it is, is a bit of
nonsense.
The Casimir Effect simply can never measure anything, without
measuring what the atoms of the two plates are and what those atoms
are doing. To talk about the EM between two close plates is not
physics but muddle headed philosophy. I wish I could be kinder to the
Casimir Effect but afraid it is nonsense all along. It was a relic of
a time in which everyone accepted Newtonian gravity and General
Relativity. In a time in which we know gravity to be EM-gravity, then
the Casimir Effect is wreckage to throw in the dust bin.
> "Archimedes Plutonium" <plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> napisal w
> wiadomoscinews:f66d6c2c-ef48-4010...@c13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
(snipped)
>
> > The trouble with the Cavendish and Casimir experiments is that often,
> > scientists are looking for something and focused only on getting that
> > something and ignoring everything else which cannot be ignored.
>
> Some scientists have known the results of the measurements on the Moon
> surface and know the real mass of the Earth.
> S*
Szczepan, you bring up interesting idea I had not yet begun to reflect
> > The trouble with the Cavendish and Casimir experiments is that often,
> > scientists are looking for something and focused only on getting that
> > something and ignoring everything else which cannot be ignored.
>
> Some scientists have known the results of the measurements on the Moon
> surface and know the real mass of the Earth.
> S*
upon. That we actually
do not have a good way of measuring the true mass of Earth, or any
other astro body.
So I do not know if there is some more accurate way of mass measure. I
would guess that
with EM-gravity, the measure is close enough. One would think that
accurate measure of size
and then average mass per unit volume, then multiply.
Some EM-gravity can be excessive such as in rigid body rotation, and
then some can be a
minimum such as in an asteroid with its moon.
When we shift from Newtonian-gravity to EM-gravity we shift to making
volume more important
and then an average density over that volume.
We maybe surprised about the Moon, in that we relied on Newtonian
gravity to predict the mass of the Moon, and found it to be rather
less dense, but with EM-gravity, we may have that mass very much
wrong, and that the Moon may have a dense core as the Earth has. I
feel and would not be surprised to find that data from the Moon is
different than that which we have come to believe is true.
I want to talk about disqualifying the Casimir Effect Experiment. It
is believed there is a attraction between the two plates. But any
attraction, I suspect is only a uneven distribution of the charges in
the two plates. And that would also suggest that there be a repulsion
and bending outwards of some Casimir plates. Here again, I suspect an
electroscope can model the Casimir effect and show that repulsion does
occur. But far worse for the Casimir Effect than the Cavendish
Experiment, is that I believe there is no Casimir effect at all. I
believe that the Casimir Effect relies on ideas of assumptions that
are unwarranted. The assumption of a vacuum and of "pieces of the EM
wave". I think that if Casimir himself was given the idea that the
Maxwell Equations the 6 equations as axioms of physics, that physics
has no Casimir Effect.
My main objection to the Casimir Effect is that it assumes that two
plates can have their charges idealized away. The vacuum itself is an
idealization. The idea that a EM wave can be
"pieced" is an idealization. So I have mentioned three "idealizations"
which have no basis given the 6 Maxwell Equations. The worst one of
those idealizations is to think that the charges embedded in the
plates can be eliminated or ignored in the effect. And thus, since the
charges cannot be eliminated or ignored, that we can never have an
effect of less EM inside the plates versus, outside the plates. In
other words, there is nothing in the Maxwell Equations to support a
Casimir Effect, but rather the reverse, there are a lot of assumptions
that are counter to the Maxwell Equations.
Let me give two examples from common day experience that relates to
Casimir Effect. I have a woodstove in winter and sometimes the soot or
ash finds its way into the ambient air and especially on the TV
screen, since the screen is charged. What I want to point out is that
two materials near one another form plates but we can never remove the
basic charge of the atoms in those plates. Another experience is at
grocery store checkout are those thin plastic bags and sometimes hard
to separate, because of the electric charge between them.
So in the Casimir Effect, there is no physics there, because what we
end up measuring is not a
density of EM between the plates versus outside the plates, but the EM
of the atoms in the plates themselves, for which we cannot
distinguish. There is one fact in Quantum Mechanics that contradicts
the Casimir Effect-- the Quantum Well.
And another poignant bit of information, whether the Casimir Effect is
true or not true, nothing else in physics depends on it, which
logically indicates it was never true. If it were true that Mars had a
lot of water, has important consequences, but if true that Casimir
Effect exists has no consequences. In mathematics we often have
examples of this, for it does not matter if the
Fermat's Last Theorem is true or false because nothing else in math is
dependent on it, which indicates that there is a deep misunderstanding
of the elements that make up FLT-- such as what is finite versus
infinite. If I were to say that the mass of the Sun was gray and
called it the Gray Effect, that some may think such a statement is
worthy of endeavor and experiment, when all it is, is a bit of
nonsense.
The Casimir Effect simply can never measure anything, without
measuring what the atoms of the two plates are and what those atoms
are doing. To talk about the EM between two close plates is not
physics but muddle headed philosophy. I wish I could be kinder to the
Casimir Effect but afraid it is nonsense all along. It was a relic of
a time in which everyone accepted Newtonian gravity and General
Relativity. In a time in which we know gravity to be EM-gravity, then
the Casimir Effect is wreckage to throw in the dust bin.
Szczepan Bialek
Jan 31, 2012, 1:02:29 PM1/31/12
to
news:99e56a9c-415e-4e64...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
on the Mars.
If you measure the force between the known mass and the Moon and the Mars
you calculate the real masses.
It is also necessary to know the point where the Earth's gravity ends and
the Moon's starts.
It is now done. If you are reach enough you can buy the results from NASA.
S*
On Jan 31, 2:37 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
>>
>
> > The trouble with the Cavendish and Casimir experiments is that often,
> > scientists are looking for something and focused only on getting that
> > something and ignoring everything else which cannot be ignored.
>>
>
> > The trouble with the Cavendish and Casimir experiments is that often,
> > scientists are looking for something and focused only on getting that
> > something and ignoring everything else which cannot be ignored.
>The Earth has the excess of electrons and for this the calculated mass of
>the Earth is wrong.
>But thank this we have fantastic theory on the iron core of the Earth.
>
>the Earth is wrong.
>But thank this we have fantastic theory on the iron core of the Earth.
>
> Some scientists have known the results of the measurements on the Moon
> surface and know the real mass of the Earth.
> S*
<Szczepan, you bring up interesting idea I had not yet begun to reflect
upon. That we actually
do not have a good way of measuring the true mass of Earth, or any
other astro body.
We know. To do it it is necessery to go (or send the sondes) on the Moon and
> surface and know the real mass of the Earth.
> S*
<Szczepan, you bring up interesting idea I had not yet begun to reflect
upon. That we actually
do not have a good way of measuring the true mass of Earth, or any
other astro body.
on the Mars.
If you measure the force between the known mass and the Moon and the Mars
you calculate the real masses.
It is also necessary to know the point where the Earth's gravity ends and
the Moon's starts.
It is now done. If you are reach enough you can buy the results from NASA.
S*
G=EMC^2
Jan 31, 2012, 5:29:02 PM1/31/12
to
On Jan 31, 1:02 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
> "Archimedes Plutonium" <plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> napisal w
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> "Archimedes Plutonium" <plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> napisal w
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Casmir effect is an experiment that shows there are waves in space.
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Its very simple to understand. Force is small but very real.Plates in
reality are in away measuring density.Thus this difference in density
gives rise to a force pulling the plates together. More energy outside
the metal plates than between them. TreBert
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Jan 31, 2012, 5:57:10 PM1/31/12
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On 1/31/2012 5:29 PM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
> Casmir effect is an experiment that shows there are waves in space.
> Its very simple to understand. Force is small but very real.Plates in
> reality are in away measuring density.Thus this difference in density
> gives rise to a force pulling the plates together. More energy outside
> the metal plates than between them. TreBert
What kind or waves? Radio waves? Thought waves? Gravity waves?
> Casmir effect is an experiment that shows there are waves in space.
> Its very simple to understand. Force is small but very real.Plates in
> reality are in away measuring density.Thus this difference in density
> gives rise to a force pulling the plates together. More energy outside
> the metal plates than between them. TreBert
Probability waves? Zero point energy waves. Aether waves?
Jos Bergervoet
Feb 1, 2012, 1:26:00 AM2/1/12
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floating close to each other are pushed *closer*
to each other by random waves (if there are any).
The effect that Casimir meant was of course in empty
space, and the waves were EM waves. He used the
zero-point energy of the QED field so these waves
are always there. (In fact the force can be derived
from the energy density of the waves in a few lines,
the reader should try this! It's pretty simple.)
--
Jos
Archimedes Plutonium
Feb 1, 2012, 4:53:10 AM2/1/12
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On Jan 31, 4:29 pm, "G=EMC^2" <herbertglazi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 1:02 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
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> On Jan 31, 1:02 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
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> Casmir effect is an experiment that shows there are waves in space.
> Its very simple to understand. Force is small but very real.Plates in
> reality are in away measuring density.Thus this difference in density
> gives rise to a force pulling the plates together. More energy outside
> the metal plates than between them. TreBert
If you take just the Maxwell Equations with Lenz law, you cannot get a
> Casmir effect is an experiment that shows there are waves in space.
> Its very simple to understand. Force is small but very real.Plates in
> reality are in away measuring density.Thus this difference in density
> gives rise to a force pulling the plates together. More energy outside
> the metal plates than between them. TreBert
Casimir Effect, for it contradicts the Equations in that the EM wave
has
meaningful snippets. To take a light-wave and to have it cut in
pieces, so that
you have snippets of light waves is the implication of the Casimir
Effect. So you violate
the Maxwell Equations. And, there is no Casimir force from either the
Faraday law,
Ampere/Maxwell law nor the Lenz law.
Physics does have Parallel Plate Capacitors, and it would be
impossible to distinguish between
the physics of two plates in empty space, and whether the physics
going on around those two plates involves Capacitor physics, or
whether it involves some imagination of the waves inside the plate
versus waves outside the plate.
Maxwell Equations say nothing about waves inside and outside two
plates of a capacitor, but describe the capacitor.
The Casimir Effect is an example of imagination in physics, but a
violation of the Maxwell Equations.
No experiment has ever proven the Casimir Effect and none can, since
it asks for precision that is beyond the ability to ever measure. The
only reason it is accepted today, is because it has flooded the
literature of physics, but where no-one with a logical mind ever
sought to see if Casimir violates the Maxwell Equations.
People in Physics, can likely dream up a false effect by the week or
daily if they are highly imaginative and for which none of them has
any physical truth. Here is an effect that I dreamed up today, that
the Plate Tectonics of the continents can be measured by a Cavendish
Experiment set-up in a garage by measuring the constant vibration of
the torsion.
Physics has an awful problem with "effects" that are dreamed up often
and frequently, in that they sound plausible and reasonable, but never
checked against the Maxwell Equations to see if they are consistent.
In the case of Casimir Effect, there is nothing in the Maxwell
Equations to support it, but two laws that oppose it.
Archimedes Plutonium
G=EMC^2
Feb 1, 2012, 7:51:22 AM2/1/12
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On Feb 1, 1:26 am, Jos Bergervoet <jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
More energy> the reader should try this! It's pretty simple.)
>
> --
> Jos
Right now I go with Aether waves ?? No captains will park there
large ships next to each other out in the ocean That is the reason
they have the captain chair. Here is wave action in the macro realm.
TreBert
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> --
> Jos
Right now I go with Aether waves ?? No captains will park there
large ships next to each other out in the ocean That is the reason
they have the captain chair. Here is wave action in the macro realm.
TreBert
G=EMC^2
Feb 1, 2012, 7:42:51 AM2/1/12
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On Feb 1, 4:53 am, Archimedes Plutonium
> Archimedes Plutoniumhttp://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/
can detect the energy of ground state fluctuations by the Casimir
effect. Maxwell field which describes magnetism,electricity,and
light runs into problems when used in the QM realm. Best you keep that
in mind. I see the Casimir effect proving there is always some energy
even when we think of the ground state being zero(it can't be zero)
TreBert
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Why photon waves Casmir plates come together in complete darkness .One
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
can detect the energy of ground state fluctuations by the Casimir
effect. Maxwell field which describes magnetism,electricity,and
light runs into problems when used in the QM realm. Best you keep that
in mind. I see the Casimir effect proving there is always some energy
even when we think of the ground state being zero(it can't be zero)
TreBert
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