Simple Proof of Standdown on 9/11
Swedish Scat Team
*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and military.
A standdown.
Pooh Bear
> *All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and military.
>
> A standdown.
OMG - whatever next ?
P.B.
=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN=
news:4042DBF9...@hotmail.com:
More idiotic replies from you, I'm guessing.
Pooh Bear
Or more idiotic assertions from you ?
Planes *were not* grounded. Planes in flight over the USA and also certainly
transatlantic flights ( never heard about pacific flights ) were instructed
to land ASAP at some point. Down to the crew to select a suitable airport.
Halifax was very busy as a a result.
Where did you get the idea that military planes were included ?
P.B.
Andrew Chaplin
>
> Planes *were not* grounded. Planes in flight over the USA and also certainly
> transatlantic flights ( never heard about pacific flights ) were instructed
> to land ASAP at some point. Down to the crew to select a suitable airport.
> Halifax was very busy as a a result.
For trans-Atlantic flights, I believe Boston and Moncton came up with
the deviation plan. Gander, Newfoundland, a town of about 11,000 and
less than about one thirtieth the size of Slackers, had comparatively
more dropped on it. Gander has a small strip of hotels, but they
generally serve air cargo and aircraft ferry services. It's a real
eye-opener to suddenly find 747s and Airbuses on your doorstep.
Consequently, passengers wound up crashing out in school gyms and
church basements, or wherever townsfolk could billet them.
> Where did you get the idea that military planes were included ?
As I understood it, all non-essential military a/c missions, e.g.
training and routine transport, in both Canada and the U.S. were
ordered terminated or suspended by NORAD *after* the strikes on the
WTC and the Pentagon, i.e., after they had reason to believe there was
a terrorist action underway.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Pooh Bear
> Pooh Bear wrote:
> >
> > Planes *were not* grounded. Planes in flight over the USA and also certainly
> > transatlantic flights ( never heard about pacific flights ) were instructed
> > to land ASAP at some point. Down to the crew to select a suitable airport.
> > Halifax was very busy as a a result.
>
> For trans-Atlantic flights, I believe Boston and Moncton came up with
> the deviation plan. Gander, Newfoundland, a town of about 11,000 and
> less than about one thirtieth the size of Slackers, had comparatively
> more dropped on it. Gander has a small strip of hotels, but they
> generally serve air cargo and aircraft ferry services. It's a real
> eye-opener to suddenly find 747s and Airbuses on your doorstep.
> Consequently, passengers wound up crashing out in school gyms and
> church basements, or wherever townsfolk could billet them.
Yup, figures.
I heard something similar re: Halifax too. I believe it took a day or two to find
accomadation for the pax on some flights !
Doesn't bear thinking about what it must have been like in the plane !
I have a jpg of Halifax taken from above that shows one hell of an air park.
Anyone got one for Gander ?
> > Where did you get the idea that military planes were included ?
>
> As I understood it, all non-essential military a/c missions, e.g.
> training and routine transport, in both Canada and the U.S. were
> ordered terminated or suspended by NORAD *after* the strikes on the
> WTC and the Pentagon, i.e., after they had reason to believe there was
> a terrorist action underway.
That sounds sensible.
It's interesting to note just how long it must have taken for the *land order* to
disseminate.
I have an ATC recording re United 93 that has the controller using other traffic
to keep tabs on them.
Graham
=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN=
Right. Fuck the fighter jets... let's tail them with commercial aircraft.
>
> Graham
>
>
Pooh Bear
"=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN=" wrote:
> Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:40438521...@hotmail.com:
>
> > I have an ATC recording re United 93 that has the controller using
> > other traffic to keep tabs on them.
>
> Right. Fuck the fighter jets... let's tail them with commercial aircraft.
Yeah ! Funny that Executive 956 and American 1060 didn't see those fighter
jets isn't it ?
Graham
=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN=
What fighter jets?
--
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age...@justicemail.com
wrote:
>
>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and military.
Not military.
>A standdown.
After the crashes.
age...@justicemail.com
<g...@buh.cuh> wrote:
>Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:4043AAEA...@hotmail.com:
>
>>
>> "=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN=" wrote:
>>
>>> Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:40438521...@hotmail.com:
>>>
>>> > I have an ATC recording re United 93 that has the controller using
>>> > other traffic to keep tabs on them.
>>>
>>> Right. Fuck the fighter jets... let's tail them with commercial
>>> aircraft.
>>
>> Yeah ! Funny that Executive 956 and American 1060 didn't see those
>> fighter jets isn't it ?
>>
>> Graham
>
>
>What fighter jets?
The ones that weren't there, Jason.
=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN=
news:uvg740pm19v3vpk4q...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team <g...@buh.cuh>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and military.
>
> Not military.
Bull fucking shit. Liar.
>>A standdown.
>
> After the crashes.
And before. Or did they defend us that day?
=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN=
No shit. Standdown.
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
news:1047jlj...@news.supernews.com:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:43:18 -0000, "=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN="
<g...@buh.cuh>
> wrote:
>
>>Goddamn Freemason Occultist age...@justicemail.com wrote in
>>news:uvg740pm19v3vpk4q...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team <g...@buh.cuh>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
military.
>>>
>>> Not military.
>>
>>
>>Bull fucking shit. Liar.
>
> Why does anyone bother trying to reason with this prick?
Do I have to smack you around with a cite? This is basic, common
knowledge stuff, guy.
> If ever a golden killfile candidate roamed usenet, this guy is it.
>
> Jerry
>
>
Run away, Jerry, Far and fast.
--
Troll my message board and I will beat your ass
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Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:40:06 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>
>>JL Grasso <jerry_...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>news:1047jlj...@news.supernews.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:43:18 -0000, "=Ö§âmâ ßíñ GORTICIAN="
>><g...@buh.cuh>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Goddamn Freemason Occultist age...@justicemail.com wrote in
>>>>news:uvg740pm19v3vpk4q...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team
>>>>> <g...@buh.cuh> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
>>military.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not military.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bull fucking shit. Liar.
>>>
>>> Why does anyone bother trying to reason with this prick?
>>
>>
>>
>>Do I have to smack you around with a cite? This is basic, common
>>knowledge stuff, guy.
>
> I hear 'common knowledge' around here quite a bit. It almost always
> translates to fantasy. In your case, I'd bet the farm on it.
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/5-17-03/discussion.cgi.26.html
The FAA has said that it alerted military authorities in Colorado at the
first signs of a hijacking. Yet we know that a few aircraft were
scrambled and that all others were grounded and prohibited from reacting
according to standing procedures. One of my subscribers is friends with
an air traffic controller at McGuire AFB in New Jersey. His friend
confided to him that "he was on duty at the time of the crashes into the
towers. They got a phone call in between the first and second 'hit'. His
superior told him that 'NO take-off's were permitted ... NONE at all.'"
This was too early to be a direct result of shutting down all flights
nationwide--which only affected private and commercial flights--not
military. Here we have evidence of the US military acting in direct
opposition to national defense--acting on orders from above. These
orders couldn't have come from Bush, who was engaged at an elementary
school, so higher military officials were either taking orders from
someone else at the White House or acting on predetermined orders.
http://cjonline.com/stories/091201/kst_travelhalt.shtml
Not all military flights are being allowed in the air. Several Fort Riley
training flights scheduled to leave Forbes over the next few days have
been canceled by the military post, Stremming said. Across the United
States, he said, only military flights with specific missions were
allowed off the ground Tuesday.
Etc.
>>
>>> If ever a golden killfile candidate roamed usenet, this guy is it.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>
>>Run away, Jerry, Far and fast.
>
> I've been here uninterrupted since you ran away the last time, you
> leg-humping pussy boi.
>
> Jerry
>
>
Jerry's little feelings are hurt.
age...@justicemail.com
<g...@buh.cuh> wrote:
>
>>>What fighter jets?
>>
>> The ones that weren't there, Jason.
>>
>
>No shit. Standdown.
They were over Washington and New York, Jason.
age...@justicemail.com
<g...@buh.cuh> wrote:
>>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and military.
>>
>> Not military.
>
>
>Bull fucking shit. Liar.
Prove it, Jason.
>>>A standdown.
>>
>> After the crashes.
>
>
>And before. Or did they defend us that day?
There was no military standdown on 9/11.
age...@justicemail.com
<jerry_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why does anyone bother trying to reason with this prick?
Reason with him? I'm just being annoying.
age...@justicemail.com
>>>>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
>military.
>>>>
>>>> Not military.
>>>
>>>
>>>Bull fucking shit. Liar.
>>
>> Why does anyone bother trying to reason with this prick?
>
>
>
>Do I have to smack you around with a cite? This is basic, common
>knowledge stuff, guy.
Not to people who deal in reality, Jason.
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
4ax.com:
I posted two links. There are more, of course.
Dumbfuck.
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:09:57 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> Yes, you've slain me, mr. pothead.
>
> http://gortician.50megs.com/jasonchristie.html
>
> Bwaaaaaahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahw!
>
> Jerry
>
>
Are you a fan?
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:21:15 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> No, but that explained alot. You just wanna be different, right?
>
> Jerry
>
>
And what makes you assume I created that abomination?
It was a fanboy. Like you.
Michael Williamson
>
> http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/5-17-03/discussion.cgi.26.html
>
> The FAA has said that it alerted military authorities in Colorado at the
> first signs of a hijacking. Yet we know that a few aircraft were
> scrambled and that all others were grounded and prohibited from reacting
> according to standing procedures. One of my subscribers is friends with
> an air traffic controller at McGuire AFB in New Jersey. His friend
> confided to him that "he was on duty at the time of the crashes into the
> towers. They got a phone call in between the first and second 'hit'. His
> superior told him that 'NO take-off's were permitted ... NONE at all.'"
> This was too early to be a direct result of shutting down all flights
> nationwide--which only affected private and commercial flights--not
> military. Here we have evidence of the US military acting in direct
> opposition to national defense--acting on orders from above. These
> orders couldn't have come from Bush, who was engaged at an elementary
> school, so higher military officials were either taking orders from
> someone else at the White House or acting on predetermined orders.
>
And this order prevented the launching of masses of C-141's, KC-10s
and KC-135s which would have then been able to... do what, exactly? You
are aware that McGuire AFB is an Air Mobility Command base, aren't you?
Given that McGuire AFB is located within 75 (driving) miles of the
site of the crash, and with the amount of traffic flowing through NY
airspace on any given day, stopping takeoffs until such time as the
situation could be assessed doesn't seem all that unwise- leadership
at McGuire could well have expected to be called on to provide
support and assistance for rescue/recovery operations in the near
future (or perhaps not- I'm not familiar with the disaster response
plans that the area has). This of course is presuming that this
heresay is at all true - 'a friend of a subscriber of yours' doesn't
exactly sound like a sworn deposition to me.
>
> http://cjonline.com/stories/091201/kst_travelhalt.shtml
>
> Not all military flights are being allowed in the air. Several Fort Riley
> training flights scheduled to leave Forbes over the next few days have
> been canceled by the military post, Stremming said. Across the United
> States, he said, only military flights with specific missions were
> allowed off the ground Tuesday.
>
>
>
> Etc.
>
>
Well, duh. With the airspace closed for an air defense emergency,
military training sorties, and as noted all military flights without
a specific, necessary mission, (such as, for example, AWACS air
surveillance and fighter CAP) were cancelled. You seem to indicate
that you have a problem with this- perhaps you could explain what
you think ought to have been done instead?
Mike
running with scissors
been sniffing chemtrails?
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
news:4043EF83...@coxNO.netSPAM:
I would have appreciated it if the MILITARY FUCKING DEFENDED OUR
AIRSPACE.
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
in news:d0fe9d08.04030...@posting.google.com:
Have you been huffing the farts of AIDS patients?
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:37:45 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> I assume your parents created the abomination that I was referring to.
>
> Jerry
>
>
Well, you'd be wrong again, you fucking gimp.
Ralph Nesbitt
"Don Dirk of Dowdawee" <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote in message
news:Xns949FD094A4B...@216.168.3.44...
defended our air space from a threat that had never occurred previously.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
$mX4....@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com:
A few sidewinders would have been nice.
> from a threat that had never occurred previously.
Bojinka? Egypt? The White House? Tom Clancy? Payne Stewart?
Ever hear of any of those?
> Ralph Nesbitt
> Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Why don't you continue to act like a mindless fuckhead?
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 03:51:27 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>
>>Bojinka? Egypt? The White House? Tom Clancy? Payne Stewart?
>>
>>Ever hear of any of those?
>
> I, for one, will never forget the day we were mercilessly attacked by
> Payne Stewart. And only shortly after we were invaded by Tom Clancy
> and Nancy Drew.
>
> Ever hear of Christine? We should set up appropriate defenses now in
> case a bunch more vintage Chevy sedans come after us. It's just a
> matter of time, you know...
>
> They already totaled the Pentagon!
>
> Jerry
>
>
You're a failure as a humorist and a conspiracy theory debunker.
Ralph Nesbitt
"Don Dirk of Dowdawee" <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote in message
news:Xns949FC5C2F8A...@216.168.3.44...
> age...@justicemail.com wrote in news:00o740d4bihjrpj9ojo94d7l995mhch8dv@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:40:06 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> > <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
> >>military.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not military.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Bull fucking shit. Liar.
> >>>
> >>> Why does anyone bother trying to reason with this prick?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Do I have to smack you around with a cite? This is basic, common
> >>knowledge stuff, guy.
> >
> > Not to people who deal in reality, Jason.
> >
>
> I posted two links. There are more, of course.
>
>
> Dumbfuck.
>
> --
Ralph Nesbitt
specify the rules of engagement authorizeing this action you would have
endorsed.
>
> > from a threat that had never occurred previously.
>
>
> Bojinka? Egypt? The White House? Tom Clancy? Payne Stewart?
>
> Ever hear of any of those?
>
>
> > Ralph Nesbitt
> > Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
>
>
> Why don't you continue to act like a mindless fuckhead?
> --
comprehend/understand.
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
In a thing called a 'post'.
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
How about after a few have plunged into buildings?
Please learn to spell.
>> > from a threat that had never occurred previously.
>>
>>
>> Bojinka? Egypt? The White House? Tom Clancy? Payne Stewart?
>>
>> Ever hear of any of those?
>>
> In what context?
In the context of planes crashing into buildings.
>>
>> > Ralph Nesbitt
>> > Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
>>
>>
>> Why don't you continue to act like a mindless fuckhead?
>> --
> I would not want to embaress you by responding in a manner you could
> not comprehend/understand.
> Ralph Nesbitt
> Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
>
>
You're doing great, Ralphie. Have a drink on me.
Pooh Bear
> I would have appreciated it if the MILITARY FUCKING DEFENDED OUR
> AIRSPACE.
NORAD was set up to defend US airspace from the ruskies. Their systems were
never designed to counter internal terrorism. That's why their radars point
out not in !
Thank you for listening, Graham
Pooh Bear
Don Dirk of Dowdawee wrote:
> You're a failure as a humorist and a conspiracy theory debunker.
Jerry will beat you on the humour front any day.
You'll win the sad b*gg*r prize naturally.
Graham
copertopkiller
"Ralph Nesbitt" <ralph-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_dT0c.26006$mX4....@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
> "Don Dirk of Dowd...@216.168.3.44...
> > I would have appreciated it if the MILITARY FUCKING DEFENDED OUR
> > AIRSPACE.
> > --
> Please elaborate as to details & specifics how the military should have
> defended our air space from a threat that had never occurred previously.
<snicker>
Ralphie boy said you cannot defend airspace from a threat because it has
never happened before.
copertopkiller
You can't just shoot down civilian airliners. bwahahahahahah
>
> > from a threat that had never occurred previously.
>
>
> Bojinka? Egypt? The White House? Tom Clancy? Payne Stewart?
>
> Ever hear of any of those?
Ugh, uh huh. But it wasn't on that durn TeeeVeeee.
>
>
> > Ralph Nesbitt
> > Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
>
>
> Why don't you continue to act like a mindless fuckhead?
He can sleep easier?
copertopkiller
"Ralph Nesbitt" <ralph-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:yUU0c.7064$Bu3....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Don Dirk of Dowdawee" <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns949FDF4C075...@216.168.3.44...
> >
> So pre 9/11 you would advocate "Shooting Down" Any hijacked Pax A/C?
Please
> specify the rules of engagement authorizeing this action you would have
> endorsed.
Why not? After intercept <snicker> there is proceeeeedure ralphieboy. When
the errant thought to be/known to be HJ AC would not respond to air
superiority the authorization was simple. I suppose you want to claim that
"no one had any idea" <cough> and that this was anything but the traditional
"take me to Guantanamo Bay" even though someone aboard stated that they were
going to return to BOS and yet started following the Hudson. And the evil
doers even stated they had bombs on board. Oh my, flying bombs just as we
were being told and hearing for ourselves. Bwahahahahah.
Yes, few people are sacrificed for many all the time. Someone got to make
the tough decisions ralphie boy <sobbing>. Think of the money we as a nation
would have saved if we only had to pay off the family members of these few
in contrast to the many now getting compensation. Think of all those nice
buildings that wouldn't have been damaged needing clean up at staggering
costs. Oh ralphie boy, such a dim cunt of bulb you are.
copertopkiller
"z" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c21guc$i1m$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
> http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/dayof911.html
One of my favorite coincidence theory debunking sites.
copertopkiller
"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4044256D...@hotmail.com...
So graham explain how much of the continental USA can NORAD Monitor? I ask
because you seem to be suggesting that NORAD radar's are located on shore
looking outward having no capabilities of functioning within the continental
USA.
copertopkiller
"Bàidh Stidean" <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in message
news:gbe840doeha27t1r1...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team <g...@buh.cuh>
>
> >
> >*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and military.
> >
>
> Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see Oklahoma ANG and
> USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You remember
> Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried rearranging our
> entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of your bullshit
> conspiracies.
Start a new thread.
running with scissors
and in a one line response, you show your true self. why would anyone
listing to the shreiking of someone who makes a post like that.
congratulations on destroying your own credibility.
running with scissors
why dont you fuck off back off to your little consiparcy groups where
you can shreik like the little child you are.
no one is listening to you. you are a cunt.
running with scissors
cunt.
running with scissors
> JL Grasso <jerry_...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:10481jn...@news.supernews.com:
>
> > On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 03:51:27 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> > <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Bojinka? Egypt? The White House? Tom Clancy? Payne Stewart?
> >>
> >>Ever hear of any of those?
> >
> > I, for one, will never forget the day we were mercilessly attacked by
> > Payne Stewart. And only shortly after we were invaded by Tom Clancy
> > and Nancy Drew.
> >
> > Ever hear of Christine? We should set up appropriate defenses now in
> > case a bunch more vintage Chevy sedans come after us. It's just a
> > matter of time, you know...
> >
> > They already totaled the Pentagon!
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
>
> You're a failure as a humorist and a conspiracy theory debunker.
and, funnily enough, you are a cunt.
running with scissors
cunt
running with scissors
why dont you go back to the ward. cunt.
running with scissors
bwahahahhahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahhahhahaha
>
> > from a threat that had never occurred previously.
>
>
> Bojinka? Egypt? The White House? Tom Clancy? Payne Stewart?
bwahahahahahhahahahhahhahhahhahahahhahahhahhahah
>
> Ever hear of any of those?
>
>
> > Ralph Nesbitt
> > Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
>
>
> Why don't you continue to act like a mindless fuckhead?
cunt.
running with scissors
you still alive ?
shame.
cunt.
running with scissors
you still alive ?
shame.
cunt.
running with scissors
> "Ralph Nesbitt" <ralph-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:yUU0c.7064$Bu3....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > "Don Dirk of Dowdawee" <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns949FDF4C075...@216.168.3.44...
> > > A few sidewinders would have been nice.
> > >
> > So pre 9/11 you would advocate "Shooting Down" Any hijacked Pax A/C?
> Please
> > specify the rules of engagement authorizeing this action you would have
> > endorsed.
>
> Why not?
you still alive ?
shame.
cunt.
running with scissors
> "z" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c21guc$i1m$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/dayof911.html
>
> One of my favorite coincidence theory debunking sites.
who cares what you favorites are.
cunt.
running with scissors
> "Bŕidh Stidean" <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in message
why dont you cunt ?
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
You're a pretty shitty liar...
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team <g...@buh.cuh>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and military.
>>
>>A standdown.
>
> Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see Oklahoma ANG and
> USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You remember
> Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried rearranging our
> entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of your bullshit
> conspiracies.
>
Is that why you spanked off and ran away?
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
How does one "cunt?
Col. RSJ
<abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:
>Pooh Bear wrote:
>>
>> Planes *were not* grounded. Planes in flight over the USA and also certainly
>> transatlantic flights ( never heard about pacific flights ) were instructed
>> to land ASAP at some point. Down to the crew to select a suitable airport.
>> Halifax was very busy as a a result.
>
>For trans-Atlantic flights, I believe Boston and Moncton came up with
>the deviation plan. Gander, Newfoundland, a town of about 11,000 and
>less than about one thirtieth the size of Slackers, had comparatively
>more dropped on it. Gander has a small strip of hotels, but they
>generally serve air cargo and aircraft ferry services. It's a real
>eye-opener to suddenly find 747s and Airbuses on your doorstep.
>Consequently, passengers wound up crashing out in school gyms and
>church basements, or wherever townsfolk could billet them.
Those folks took people into their homes and all the town helped to
arrange for food etc. Bless them all.
>
>> Where did you get the idea that military planes were included ?
>
>As I understood it, all non-essential military a/c missions, e.g.
>training and routine transport, in both Canada and the U.S. were
>ordered terminated or suspended by NORAD *after* the strikes on the
>WTC and the Pentagon, i.e., after they had reason to believe there was
>a terrorist action underway.
--
Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor,
make him pay cash.
(Robert A. Heinlein)
age...@justicemail.com
<michael.NOwi...@coxNO.netSPAM> wrote:
>Don Dirk of Dowdawee wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/5-17-03/discussion.cgi.26.html
>>
>> The FAA has said that it alerted military authorities in Colorado at the
>> first signs of a hijacking. Yet we know that a few aircraft were
>> scrambled and that all others were grounded and prohibited from reacting
>> according to standing procedures. One of my subscribers is friends with
>> an air traffic controller at McGuire AFB in New Jersey. His friend
>> confided to him that "he was on duty at the time of the crashes into the
>> towers. They got a phone call in between the first and second 'hit'. His
>> superior told him that 'NO take-off's were permitted ... NONE at all.'"
>> This was too early to be a direct result of shutting down all flights
>> nationwide--which only affected private and commercial flights--not
>> military. Here we have evidence of the US military acting in direct
>> opposition to national defense--acting on orders from above. These
>> orders couldn't have come from Bush, who was engaged at an elementary
>> school, so higher military officials were either taking orders from
>> someone else at the White House or acting on predetermined orders.
>>
>
> And this order prevented the launching of masses of C-141's, KC-10s
>and KC-135s which would have then been able to... do what, exactly? You
>are aware that McGuire AFB is an Air Mobility Command base, aren't you?
>
> Given that McGuire AFB is located within 75 (driving) miles of the
>site of the crash,
And don't forget that the ground stop order was given in the Northeast
corridor maybe 30 minutes before the national order was given.
Don Dirk of Dowdawee
age...@justicemail.com
<sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>> And don't forget that the ground stop order was given in the Northeast
>> corridor maybe 30 minutes before the national order was given.
>>
>
>A standdown, in other words.
Nope, not at all. Not for fighters.
running with scissors
> "Ralph Nesbitt" <ralph-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:_dT0c.26006$mX4....@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
>
> > "Don Dirk of Dowd...@216.168.3.44...
> > > I would have appreciated it if the MILITARY FUCKING DEFENDED OUR
> > > AIRSPACE.
> > > --
> > Please elaborate as to details & specifics how the military should have
> > defended our air space from a threat that had never occurred previously.
>
> <snicker>
>
you want se a doctor about that nervous tic.
now fuck off.
Ralph Nesbitt
>
> "z" <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c21guc$i1m$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/dayof911.html
>
> One of my favorite coincidence theory debunking sites.
>
saying. No wonder it is a favorite of yours.
What time is used for all flight/flight related activity? 1 clue, everyone
is on same time.
copertopkiller
No comment you fucking half a fag phoney patriotic American.
copertopkiller
Terrorist Supporters Anonymous is waiting, ralphieboy.
running with scissors
bwahahhahahhahahhahha
fucking moron.
fuck back to Broadmoor, cunt.
Step Three: Profit
4ax.com:
Did they...defend us?
Step Three: Profit
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:57:31 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>
>>Bàidh Stidean <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in
>>news:gbe840doeha27t1r1...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team <g...@buh.cuh>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
military.
>>>>
>>>>A standdown.
>>>
>>> Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see Oklahoma ANG
and
>>> USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You remember
>>> Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried rearranging our
>>> entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of your bullshit
>>> conspiracies.
>>>
>>
>>Is that why you spanked off and ran away?
>
> Actually, that was you, after claiming the YMCA was "across the
> street" from the Murrah Building, amongst other lies. Do try to lay
> off the smoke and keep your claims straight.
>
Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
Why all the reports of other bombs?
Etc.
Or quibble over a minor, pointless, point.
running with scissors
> age...@justicemail.com wrote in news:upda409dnf0u3tbbbnnt47e3h15ls1csal@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:17:48 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
> > <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
> >
> >>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
> >>news:se4a40po1997j64lj...@4ax.com:
>
> >>> And don't forget that the ground stop order was given in the Northeast
> >>> corridor maybe 30 minutes before the national order was given.
> >>>
> >>
> >>A standdown, in other words.
> >
> > Nope, not at all. Not for fighters.
> >
>
> Did they...defend us?
stupid cunt.
age...@justicemail.com
<sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
When did it do that?
>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down the
street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much devastated.
Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
Journal Record Building.
>Why all the reports of other bombs?
There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true. When one
is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across something
that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb until
proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these reports
turned out to be false.
copertopkiller
"running with scissors" <aabbcc_running...@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:d0fe9d08.04030...@posting.google.com...
You need a tissue you hysterical flaghead?
copertopkiller
"running with scissors" <aabbcc_running...@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:d0fe9d08.04030...@posting.google.com...
Half O'fag cannot answer the question.
running with scissors
ahh the typical loon resolve. gay lames.
stupid cunt.
running with scissors
ahhh patriot lames too ! who do you suppose i am flaghead for ? you
dont even know what nationaility i am, where i live, what religion i
am.
as for hysterical, nope. wrong person. if you cnat face the fact
that you are stupid cunt, fuck off back to neverland.
stupid cunt.
running with scissors
stupid cunt.
copertopkiller
Silence is deafening.
copertopkiller
No pithy refutes TSA Flaghead.
Captain Pissy
4ax.com:
> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>
>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>
> When did it do that?
Very early on.
>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>
> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down the
> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much devastated.
> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
> Journal Record Building.
So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>
> There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true. When one
> is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across something
> that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb until
> proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these reports
> turned out to be false.
And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the terrorists?
Ralph Nesbitt
around your head.
age...@justicemail.com
wrote:
>age...@justicemail.com wrote in news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>
>> When did it do that?
>
>Very early on.
So you should be able to provide citations then?
>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>
>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down the
>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much devastated.
>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>> Journal Record Building.
>
>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
Yep, they were.
>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
Nope, there wasn't.
>>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>>
>> There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true. When one
>> is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across something
>> that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb until
>> proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these reports
>> turned out to be false.
>
>And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the terrorists?
And who exactly has said that?
Supernews is SuperSHIT
> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>
>>Bàidh Stidean <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in
>>news:rkoa40hg97n17tm3e...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:57:31 -0000, Don Dirk of Dowdawee
>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bàidh Stidean <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in
>>>>news:gbe840doeha27t1r1...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 06:18:34 -0000, Swedish Scat Team <g...@buh.cuh>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*All* planes were grounded on 9/11, civilian, commercial and
>>military.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A standdown.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you are absolutely right, Jason! I didn't see Oklahoma ANG
>>and
>>>>> USAF aircraft operating over Oklahoma City on 9/11. You remember
>>>>> Oklahoma City, don't you? You should, you tried rearranging our
>>>>> entire downtown area about a year ago to fit another of your
bullshit
>>>>> conspiracies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is that why you spanked off and ran away?
>>>
>>> Actually, that was you, after claiming the YMCA was "across the
>>> street" from the Murrah Building, amongst other lies. Do try to lay
>>> off the smoke and keep your claims straight.
>>>
>>
>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>
> Explained ad nauseum.
Nope. Never.
Cite?
>
>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>
> There were no buildings directly across the street, all that was
> there was a parking lot.
>
And the cars were heavily damaged, as the building was?
>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>
> Explained ad nauseum.
Weak lies.
Supernews is SuperSHIT
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 23:17:20 -0000, Captain Pissy <piss.right@off>
> wrote:
>
>>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>>4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>>
>>> When did it do that?
>>
>>Very early on.
>
> You are correct about that, but it was a misreporting based upon the
> amount of debris in the crater.
Debris made it wider?
>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>
>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down the
>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much devastated.
>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>> Journal Record Building.
>>
>>
>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>
> Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the paper,
> totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
> mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same area as I
> did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly visible
> in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint" drove
> all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a few
> times, and then planted it in the lot?
Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit cars.
You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?
>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>
> Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you know...
Right...
So why no exploding cars?
>>>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>>>
>>> There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true. When one
>>> is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across something
>>> that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb until
>>> proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these reports
>>> turned out to be false.
>>
>>
>>And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the
terrorists?
>
> Some news reports did, all later proven to be without any factual
> basis to them. Media speculation - as I've said before, I watched the
> local media coverage as it happened, there was a lot of wild shit
> said. The media here more or less blamed some poor Jordanian guy
> because he supposedly "left home quickly" after the bombing for the
> airport. Turned out all he was guilty of was making an emergency trip
> home on a family matter. That was a major fuck-up on the part of the
> media and law enforcement - who all but had the guy lynched before 5
> o'cock on the 19th.
Red Herring.
One of these videos:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/video.html
(9/11 - The Road to Tyranny?) has a TON of footage proving you are a
lying shit.
Supernews is SuperSHIT
4ax.com:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 23:17:20 -0000, Captain Pissy <piss.right@off>
> wrote:
>
>>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>>4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>>
>>> When did it do that?
>>
>>Very early on.
>
> So you should be able to provide citations then?
It was just confirmed by someone slightly smarter than you.
>
>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>
>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down the
>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much devastated.
>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>> Journal Record Building.
>>
>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>
> Yep, they were.
>
Cite? Pictures?
Liar...
>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>
> Nope, there wasn't.
>
Why not? Weren't the cars 'blown to shit'?
>>>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>>>
>>> There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true. When one
>>> is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across something
>>> that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb until
>>> proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these reports
>>> turned out to be false.
>>
>>And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the
terrorists?
>
> And who exactly has said that?
Again, you are out of your league, with these dumb questions.
age...@justicemail.com
wrote:
>Bŕidh Stidean <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in
>news:7o9l40tuiprd0ak9s...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 23:17:20 -0000, Captain Pissy <piss.right@off>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
>news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>>>4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>>>
>>>> When did it do that?
>>>
>>>Very early on.
>>
>> You are correct about that, but it was a misreporting based upon the
>> amount of debris in the crater.
>
>
>Debris made it wider?
When it was removed.
>>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>>
>>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down the
>>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much devastated.
>>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>>> Journal Record Building.
>>>
>>>
>>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>>
>> Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the paper,
>> totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
>> mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same area as I
>> did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly visible
>> in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint" drove
>> all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a few
>> times, and then planted it in the lot?
>
>
>Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit cars.
Hey, you're the genius at finding stuff on the internet. You just
said in another thread:
"Heh. You can't locate famous photos. You are in no position to call
anyone stupid..."
However, most of the better pictures have long since been taken down,
but there are a few left. Here's one looking out on the parking lot
from inside the Murrah building (it's the third one down):
http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/
Also the 26th photo in the presentation shows the parking lot.
Also:
http://members.tripod.com/~Tabler01/OKCBombing.html
>You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?
Who said it was shaped?
>>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>
>> Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you know...
>
>
>Right...
>
>So why no exploding cars?
Who said that there was no exploding cars?
age...@justicemail.com
wrote:
>>>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
>news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>>>4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>>>
>>>> When did it do that?
>>>
>>>Very early on.
>>
>> So you should be able to provide citations then?
>
>It was just confirmed by someone slightly smarter than you.
Then why can't you provide citations?
>>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>>
>>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down the
>>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much devastated.
>>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>>> Journal Record Building.
>>>
>>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>>
>> Yep, they were.
>
>Cite? Pictures?
Hey, you're the genius at finding stuff on the internet. You just
said in another thread:
"Heh. You can't locate famous photos. You are in no position to call
anyone stupid..."
However, most of the better pictures have long since been taken down,
but there are a few left. Here's one looking out on the parking lot
from inside the Murrah building (it's the third one down):
http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/
Also the 26th photo in the presentation shows the parking lot.
Also:
http://members.tripod.com/~Tabler01/OKCBombing.html
>Liar...
ROTFLMAO.
>>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>
>> Nope, there wasn't.
>
>Why not? Weren't the cars 'blown to shit'?
Yep.
>
>>>>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>>>>
>>>> There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true. When one
>>>> is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across something
>>>> that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb until
>>>> proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these reports
>>>> turned out to be false.
>>>
>>>And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the
>terrorists?
>>
>> And who exactly has said that?
>
>
>Again, you are out of your league, with these dumb questions.
Yep, they're so dumb that you can't answer them.
Supernews is SuperSHIT
4ax.com:
> On 8 Mar 2004 00:49:44 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Bàidh Stidean <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in
>>news:7o9l40tuiprd0ak9s...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 23:17:20 -0000, Captain Pissy <piss.right@off>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
>>news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>>>>4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>>>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>>>>
>>>>> When did it do that?
>>>>
>>>>Very early on.
>>>
>>> You are correct about that, but it was a misreporting based upon
the
>>> amount of debris in the crater.
>>
>>
>>Debris made it wider?
>
> When it was removed.
Oh, good one.
>>>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down
the
>>>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much
devastated.
>>>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>>>> Journal Record Building.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>>>
>>> Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the paper,
>>> totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
>>> mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same area as
I
>>> did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly visible
>>> in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint" drove
>>> all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a few
>>> times, and then planted it in the lot?
>>
>>
>>Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit cars.
>
> Hey, you're the genius at finding stuff on the internet. You just
> said in another thread:
>
> "Heh. You can't locate famous photos. You are in no position to call
> anyone stupid..."
These photos, however, don't exist...
Try again.
> However, most of the better pictures have long since been taken down,
> but there are a few left. Here's one looking out on the parking lot
> from inside the Murrah building (it's the third one down):
> http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/
http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/images/10930.jpg
Unimpressive. Why the asymmetrical damage?
>
> Also the 26th photo in the presentation shows the parking lot.
> Also:
> http://members.tripod.com/~Tabler01/OKCBombing.html
Zzzz.
>
>
>>You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?
>
> Who said it was shaped?
Check out the asymmetrical blast pattern.
>>>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>>
>>> Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you know...
>>
>>
>>Right...
>>
>>So why no exploding cars?
>
> Who said that there was no exploding cars?
The damage on the Murrah side far exceeds the damage across the street.
Explain.
Supernews is SuperSHIT
> On 8 Mar 2004 00:49:44 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Bàidh Stidean <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in
>>news:7o9l40tuiprd0ak9s...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 23:17:20 -0000, Captain Pissy <piss.right@off>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
>>news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>>>>4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>>>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>>>>
>>>>> When did it do that?
>>>>
>>>>Very early on.
>>>
>>> You are correct about that, but it was a misreporting based upon
the
>>> amount of debris in the crater.
>>
>>
>>Debris made it wider?
>
> When it was removed.
Oh, good one.
>>>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down
the
>>>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much
devastated.
>>>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>>>> Journal Record Building.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>>>
>>> Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the paper,
>>> totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
>>> mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same area as
I
>>> did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly visible
>>> in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint" drove
>>> all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a few
>>> times, and then planted it in the lot?
>>
>>
>>Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit cars.
>
> Hey, you're the genius at finding stuff on the internet. You just
> said in another thread:
>
> "Heh. You can't locate famous photos. You are in no position to call
> anyone stupid..."
These photos, however, don't exist...
Try again.
> However, most of the better pictures have long since been taken down,
> but there are a few left. Here's one looking out on the parking lot
> from inside the Murrah building (it's the third one down):
> http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/
http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/images/10930.jpg
Unimpressive. Why the asymmetrical damage?
>
> Also the 26th photo in the presentation shows the parking lot.
> Also:
> http://members.tripod.com/~Tabler01/OKCBombing.html
Zzzz.
>
>
>>You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?
>
> Who said it was shaped?
Check out the asymmetrical blast pattern.
>>>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>>
>>> Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you know...
>>
>>
>>Right...
>>
>>So why no exploding cars?
>
> Who said that there was no exploding cars?
The damage on the Murrah side far exceeds the damage across the street.
Explain.
age...@justicemail.com
wrote:
>>>Debris made it wider?
>>
>> When it was removed.
>
>Oh, good one.
As good as anything you can put up.
>>>>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>>>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down
>the
>>>>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much
>devastated.
>>>>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>>>>> Journal Record Building.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the paper,
>>>> totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
>>>> mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same area as
>I
>>>> did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly visible
>>>> in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint" drove
>>>> all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a few
>>>> times, and then planted it in the lot?
>>>
>>>
>>>Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit cars.
>>
>> Hey, you're the genius at finding stuff on the internet. You just
>> said in another thread:
>>
>> "Heh. You can't locate famous photos. You are in no position to call
>> anyone stupid..."
>
>These photos, however, don't exist...
You're right, photos of dead people from airplane crashes are hard to
find, aren't they?
>Try again.
Try what again, Jason?
>> However, most of the better pictures have long since been taken down,
>> but there are a few left. Here's one looking out on the parking lot
>> from inside the Murrah building (it's the third one down):
>> http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/
>
>http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/images/10930.jpg
>
>Unimpressive. Why the asymmetrical damage?
It isn't asymmetrical, Jason.
>> Also the 26th photo in the presentation shows the parking lot.
>> Also:
>> http://members.tripod.com/~Tabler01/OKCBombing.html
>
>
>Zzzz.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?
>>
>> Who said it was shaped?
>
>
>Check out the asymmetrical blast pattern.
It's not asymmetrical. Overhead photos available at the time showed a
nice round pattern, centered on the truck bomb.
>>>>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>>>
>>>> Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you know...
>>>
>>>
>>>Right...
>>>
>>>So why no exploding cars?
>>
>> Who said that there was no exploding cars?
>
>The damage on the Murrah side far exceeds the damage across the street.
>Explain.
There wasn't anything across the street, Jason.
copertopkiller
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> On 8 Mar 2004 23:16:05 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>Debris made it wider?
> >>
> >> When it was removed.
> >
> >Oh, good one.
>
> As good as anything you can put up.
<snicker>
age...@justicemail.com
ROTFLMAO
copertopkiller
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Sind Sie schmutzig von diesem.
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=35
Nr. drei.
age...@justicemail.com
<copp...@killer.net> wrote:
>Sind Sie schmutzig von diesem.
That is hardly the case, Bryan.
Ralph Nesbitt
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Ralph Nesbitt
"Bàidh Stidean" <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in message
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> On 8 Mar 2004 23:16:05 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> Building. You assume that the damage you see in that picture was
> caused by the bomb blowing up all nine stories - that's not what
> happened. The Murrah Building was built with a slight cantilever of
> the upper seven stories over the lower two. There was a transfer beam
> above the second floor that supported the seven above. What happened
> was that the bomb took out that transfer beam, and the upper seven
> stories fell down because their main support was gone. It's not hard
> to grasp this fact if you understand how the building was built. But
> you simply don't want to understand it, to understand it negates your
> conspiracies
>
He would have no clue/understanding of blast wave absorption/reflection
effects. In an open air blast the blast pressure wave would spread equally
in all directions until it encountered something To make it simple as a
blast wave encounters resistance, some of the pressure is absorbed & some
deflected. Effectively at some point in the Murrah building event a
reflective chaotic secondary blast pressure wave was created. Reflective
chaotic secondary blast pressure waves can cause unusual damage patterns in
the surrounding area.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Supernews is SuperSHIT
4ax.com:
> On 8 Mar 2004 23:16:05 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>Debris made it wider?
>>>
>>> When it was removed.
>>
>>Oh, good one.
>
> As good as anything you can put up.
And other schoolyard retorts.
Do they exist?
>>Try again.
>
> Try what again, Jason?
>
>>> However, most of the better pictures have long since been taken down,
>>> but there are a few left. Here's one looking out on the parking lot
>>> from inside the Murrah building (it's the third one down):
>>> http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/
>>
>>http://photos.newsok.com/bombing/images/10930.jpg
>>
>>Unimpressive. Why the asymmetrical damage?
>
> It isn't asymmetrical, Jason.
>
One side of the street has a destroyed building. The other side of the
street has nothing close to that sort of damage.
>>> Also the 26th photo in the presentation shows the parking lot.
>>> Also:
>>> http://members.tripod.com/~Tabler01/OKCBombing.html
>>
>>
>>Zzzz.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?
>>>
>>> Who said it was shaped?
>>
>>
>>Check out the asymmetrical blast pattern.
>
> It's not asymmetrical. Overhead photos available at the time showed a
> nice round pattern, centered on the truck bomb.
Cite?
>>>>>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you know...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Right...
>>>>
>>>>So why no exploding cars?
>>>
>>> Who said that there was no exploding cars?
>>
>>The damage on the Murrah side far exceeds the damage across the street.
>>Explain.
>
> There wasn't anything across the street, Jason.
I thought it was a parking lot?
Supernews is SuperSHIT
> On 8 Mar 2004 00:49:44 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Bàidh Stidean <I.am.me.as...@the.walrus.com> wrote in
>>news:7o9l40tuiprd0ak9s...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 23:17:20 -0000, Captain Pissy <piss.right@off>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>age...@justicemail.com wrote in
>>news:p0vc40hiucd1t9j7uc19goufu071rdnnj4@
>>>>4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:30:26 -0000, "Step Three: Profit"
>>>>> <sp...@snuhco.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Tell us again how the 18 foot crater turned into a 28 foot crater.
>>>>>
>>>>> When did it do that?
>>>>
>>>>Very early on.
>>>
>>> You are correct about that, but it was a misreporting based upon
the
>>> amount of debris in the crater.
>>
>>
>>Debris made it wider?
>
> No, idiot, when the debris was cleared, it was wider than originally
> thought.
Hahahahahahaha. Yes, the more you dig in a hole, the bigger it gets.
Very good, Kris.
>>>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because there weren't any buildings across the street. It was a
>>>>> parking lot. The next closest building, a parking structure down
the
>>>>> street a bit from the truck bomb location was pretty much
devastated.
>>>>> Not to mention the damage to the Water Resources building and the
>>>>> Journal Record Building.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So all the cars across the street were blown to shit, then?
>>>
>>> Actually, they were. One of the cars I saw pictured in the paper,
>>> totally destroyed, was a yellow Miata that I used to see several
>>> mornings a week, as the woman who owned it lived in the same area as
I
>>> did at the time. I knew the car from the vanity tag clearly visible
>>> in the picture - "My Auta". I suppose you think the "Guv'mint" drove
>>> all the way up to far northwest OKC, stole her car, rolled it a few
>>> times, and then planted it in the lot?
>>
>>
>>Got a cite? I can't find any photos of damaged, blown to shit cars.
>
> It was in the Daily Oklahoman, you can access their archives at
> www.newsok.com - it's a pay service, so you'll have to pony up some
> cash.
So you have no cite.
>>You do know you can't shape a truck bomb charge, right?
>
> Of course, which is why cars were blown to shit in the lot across
> the street - the blast wave went in all directions.
Equivalent damage on both sides of the street?
>>>>Must have been a huge secondary explosion then, right?
>>>
>>> Nope,, same one - debris tends to fly and hit things, you know...
>>
>>
>>Right...
>
> Yeah, dude, debris only goes where it's told.
Debris flying OUTWARD from the Murrah building means the bomb was
internal to the building, Kris...
Please think about that.
>>So why no exploding cars?
>
> You watch too many movies - it's damn hard to blow a car up by
> dropping a hunk of concrete on it.
Why would concrete fly outward due to to a truck bomb, Kris?
>>>>>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>>>>>
>>>>> There were 3 IIRC, all of which turned out not to be true. When
one
>>>>> is crawling through a bombed out building and runs across something
>>>>> that looks like a bomb, the safe bet is to assume it is a bomb
until
>>>>> proven otherwise. In all cases at the Murrah building, these
reports
>>>>> turned out to be false.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And that's why they said these bombs could be used to ID the
>>terrorists?
>>>
>>> Some news reports did, all later proven to be without any factual
>>> basis to them. Media speculation - as I've said before, I watched
the
>>> local media coverage as it happened, there was a lot of wild shit
>>> said. The media here more or less blamed some poor Jordanian guy
>>> because he supposedly "left home quickly" after the bombing for the
>>> airport. Turned out all he was guilty of was making an emergency
trip
>>> home on a family matter. That was a major fuck-up on the part of the
>>> media and law enforcement - who all but had the guy lynched before 5
>>> o'cock on the 19th.
>>
>>Red Herring.
>
> No, xenophobia and hysteria. I don't know how many times that day
> that people - just average people, no media - were saying that the
> "Towelheads" did it, and that guy unfortunately got caught in the
> hysteria. America just didn't want to believe that white boys can be
> terrorists to. i don't see what's so hard about that - Britian has
> been dealing with the IRA for decades, is it so hard to accept that
> there are radicals within our society that would attack other
> Americans to further their cause?
This video proves you are clearly lying:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/120603roadtotyranny.html
'Confirmed by federal authorities", etc.
Supernews is SuperSHIT
> On 8 Mar 2004 23:16:05 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> Easy, you know nothing about the construction of the Murrah
> Building. You assume that the damage you see in that picture was
> caused by the bomb blowing up all nine stories - that's not what
> happened. The Murrah Building was built with a slight cantilever of
> the upper seven stories over the lower two. There was a transfer beam
> above the second floor that supported the seven above. What happened
> was that the bomb took out that transfer beam, and the upper seven
> stories fell down because their main support was gone. It's not hard
> to grasp this fact if you understand how the building was built. But
> you simply don't want to understand it, to understand it negates your
> conspiracies
But no equivalent damage across the street...?
Supernews is SuperSHIT
> On 8 Mar 2004 00:43:19 GMT, Supernews is SuperSHIT <sp...@snuhco.com>
> You already know where it is, you just deny what it says.
The only cite you can find costs money to read?
>>>>Why didn't the buildings across the street receive equal damage?
>>>
>>> There were no buildings directly across the street, all that was
>>> there was a parking lot.
>>>
>>
>>
>>And the cars were heavily damaged, as the building was?
>
> You obviously know *nothing* about the building's construction,
> which I explained in another post, the upper floors collapsed because
> the bomb took out the main transfer beam that held the cantilevered
> floors, 3-9 - the damage you see on the upper floors was caused by
> this, not a bomb tearing a hole in them. Furthermore, the entire
> north face of the building was glass on 3-9, the shockwave alone
> shattered all of that. Hell, it blew windows out on the upper floors
> of the 300' tall Bank of Oklahoma Plaza two blocks south...
So it was strong enough to blow apart concrete columns from a distance,
but it didn't do the same thing across the street?
>>>>Why all the reports of other bombs?
>>>
>>> Explained ad nauseum.
>>
>>Weak lies.
>
> Established fact.
>
You do know you can't easily mix diesel and fertilizer, and even if you
could, it wouldn't do anywhere near that much damage, don't you?
Ralph Nesbitt
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Are they amateurs?
> Ralph Nesbitt
> Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
> Posting From ADA
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>
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