ZSU-30
LEYTE C
From UNB.CA!A7QA (LEYTE C)
Is there really a ZSU-30 self propelled anti-aircraft gun system ?
If so, how does it compare to the venerable ZSU-23-4 Shilka ?
Thanks. C. Leyte.
"peace through superior firepower".
Grant N Rogers
From astro.ocis.temple.edu!rogers (Grant N Rogers)
It's not called the ZSU-30, but yes, there is a new Soviet
SPAAG (Self propelled Anti-Aircraft gun). The exact designation
escapes me, I can't find my Jane's guide, I think it is the 2S8(?).
It has four 30mm cannons mounted mickey mouse style (ala the Gepard)
and two anit-aircraft missile racks that hold four missiles (SA14's ?).
The chasis used is the T-72. I haven't heard too much about them, but
I think India bought some a while back.
ROG
Allen Thomson
From netcom.com!thomsona (Allen Thomson)
Fallible memory has it that the ZSU-30 Tunguska is pretty much
like the -23, but more so (bigger cannon, better radar/IR/optical
tracker, maybe a box or two of light SAMs). I'd imagine Janes' All
the World's Killing Machines has its basic specifics.
DanK798
From aol.com!dank798 (DanK798)
Not really. this was an erroneous evaluation of the 2S6 gun/missile
system.
(hope this pastes ok)
SHILKA.This decision was based on the growing threat
posed by combat helicopters armed with long-range (4-
5km) anti-tank missiles. Given the limitations to the
practical range of medium-calibre automatic cannons,
this requirement drove Soviet designers to the bold and
innovative decision of adopting a combined
(guns/missiles) armament configuration, despite the
quite considerable technical, operational and training
problems it entails.
The
system, developed and manufactured by the Ulianovsk
Engineering Works entered service in 1986. Operational
deployment with the then Soviet Army Group directly
facing NATO started in 1988. The original version,
designated 2S6, was armed with four surface-to-
air missiles, while the .current 2S6M (M =
"modified") version has double this figure.
The 2S6M TUNGUSKA SPAAG is part of the overall
2K22M air defence system, which also includes a
number of logistic support vehicles (as detailed
later). The system is intended to provide AA escort
to motorised infantry and armoured regiments,
replacing both the SHILKA and the STRELA-
1/STRELA-10M3 (SA-9 GASKIN/SA-13 GOPHER) SAM
system in the air defence batteries of those
regiments. In standard Russian practice, a battery
(one 2K22M system) is comprised of six 2S6M
SPAAGs, six reloading vehicles and five different
support/maintenance vehicles. Within the framework
of the new generation of Russian air-defence
systems, the TUNGUSKA occupies the niche between
MANPADS and the TOR vertical-launch land-mobile
SAM system (SA-15 GAUNTLET).
The following technical description refers mostly to
the 2S6M proper.
The GM-352M Chassis
The 2S6M SPAAG is based on the GM-352M lightly-
armoured tracked chassis, modified versions of
which are also used for the BUK and TOR land-
mobile SAM systems.
as MILTECH so eloquently put it.
MLDHOC
From aol.com!mldhoc (MLDHOC)
There are photos of the 2S6 and 2S6M Tunguska in the Concord books volume
on the ZSU 23-4. These photos show it armed with 2 30mm guns and up to 4
SA-19 missiles, on either turret side. Total armament consists of 4 30mm
guns and 8 SA-19 missiles
The chassis is listed as related to the chassis for the Buk (SA-11
Gadfly), Tor( SA-15) and Sa-17 air defence missile system. The current
production version (the M) is distinguished by small detail changes and
by the use of dish wheels as opposed to the earlier spoked wheels , as
found on the GM-100 series.
The Concord book is mainly a modelers photo reference, available from VLS
in St Louis 1-314-281-5700
Paul L. Suh
From econ.sas.upenn.edu!plsuh (Paul L. Suh)
A while back, this appeared on sci.military in response to a question I
had. I'm reposting it with thanks to Alex.
>From Alexander Velovich <ale...@ravis.msk.su>
>
>The decision to develop a new self-propelled AA system (SPAAS) to replace
>ZSU-23-4 Shilka was made in mid-1970s. The need arouse to counter combat
>helicopters with long-range (4-5km) antitank missiles. The 2S6 system was
>developed and is manufactured by Ulianovsk Engineering Plant and enetered
>service in 1986. It was deployed to the Soviet Army Group in Germany in 1988.
>The original version had only four SAMs on the turret, the current one
>2S6M, has eight.
>
>The 2S6M Tunguska is part of the integral 2K22M air defence system which also
>includes a number of logistic support vehicles. The system is intended to
>provide AA escort to motorised infantry and armoured regiments, replacing both
>the Shilka and the Strela-1/Strela-10M3 (SA-9 Gaskin/SA-13 Gopher) in air
>defence batteries of those regiments. In standard Russian practice, a battery
>(one 2K22M system) is comprised of six 2S6M SPAAS vehicles, six 2F77M reloading
>trucks (each carries eight missiles in their containers plus 32 30mm magazines
>with 3,808 rounds total) and five support vehicles: one each 1R10-1M, 2V110-1
>and ATG-M1 maintenance shop trucks, 2F55-1M maintenance shop trailer truck and
>9V921 missile test truck.
>
>2S6M is mounted on the GM-352M lightly-armoured tracked chassis. Buk and Tor
>mobile SAM systems use the same chassis with minor modifications. 2S6M data:
>Crew - 4
>Combat weight 34 tons
>Dimensions (L/W/H) 7.93/3.236/3.356m (search radar folded)
> 7.93/3.236/4.021 (search radar erected)
>Max road speed 65km/h
>Road range 500km
>Engine V-46-4 V12 turbo-diesel, output 522kW at 2,000rpm
>Ground clearance 450mm
>Vertical obstacle 1m
>Trench approx 2m
>Gradient approx 35 deg
>Side slope approx 25 deg
>Fording approx 0.8m
>
>1RL-144M radar system (NATO reprting name Hot Shot):
>E-band search radar: 18km range
>J-band tracking radar: 13km range
>IFF 1RL-138
>
>Gun system:
>2x2A38M 30mm twin-barrel automatic cannons
>Ammunition reserve 1,904 rounds
>Muzzle velocity 960m/s
>Cumulative rate of fire 5,000 rounds/min
>Arc of fire: Elevation -6 to +80 deg; Azimuth 360 deg
>Kill zone: Altitude 0-3,000m; Slant range 200-4,000m; Max fly-by range 2,000m
> Ground targets range 2,000m
>Reaction time 10s
>Kill probability 60%
>
>Missile system:
>8 ready-to-fire 9M311 (SA-19) missiles
>Missile speed max 900m/s, average 600m/s
>Kill zone: Altitude 15-3,500m; Range 2,500-8,000m; Max fly-by range 4,000m
>Max target speed 500m/s
>Impact/proximity fuse, fuse activation miss 5m
>Reaction time 10s
>Kill probability 65%
>Dimensions (in launch tube) 2.562/0.17/0.225m
>Weight with/without launch tube 57/42kg
>Warhead weight 9kg
>
>A combination of guns and missiles as well as optical and radar aiming modes
>make Tunguska very hard to jam by either radar or IR countermeasures. It is
>virtually the only operational system of its class in the world which can
>engage combat helicopters beyond the launch range of their antitank missiles.
--Paul
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Petteri Lalu
From snafu.muncca.fi!plalu (Petteri Lalu)
>Is there really a ZSU-30 self propelled anti-aircraft gun system ?
>If so, how does it compare to the venerable ZSU-23-4 Shilka ?
>Thanks. C. Leyte.
>"peace through superior firepower".
>
>
ZSU-30 --> TUNGUSKA
It is obvious that you have seen Russian AA system 2K22M, 2S6M TUNGUSKA.
Tunguska has been made by Ylyanovski manufacturies since 1987. This hybrid
AA-system is armed 8 9M311 missiles. Missiles technical data follows:
Weight 57 kg including launch tube
42 kg missile herself
9 kg explosive
Max speed 900 m/s
Crusing speed 600 m/s
Flight time 13-14 s
Tactical range (target speed 500 m/s)
Horizontal 2400 - 8000 m
Vertical 15 - 3000 m
For close targets Tunguska is armed with two twin 30 mm AA-cannons:
Range
Horizontal 200 - 4000 m
Vertical 3000 m
Ground fire 2000 m
Firing rate 1950 - 2500 r/min per barrel
Fire control unit contains two radars
Tracking radar that operates in D/E-area and Fire control radar
that operates in J/K area. Controlling system is SACLOS.
Also optical sighting is possible.
I you are willing too see image of this little beastie-boy look at
alt.binaries.pictures.misc Tunguska.
Petteri Lalu