Terrorism: The next wave?
David E. Powell
This is a problem, as many previous infiltrators "twigged"
investigators and customs people, like the 1999 "Millenium bomber."
People with experience in the country they are being sent into make it
harder to track them down.
La N
> http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18065
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Good gawd. Jack, look what you started!
Jack Linthicum
I once read a novel in which the bad guys, Moslems, spent time finding
Anglo-Saxon look-alikes in their areas. In this case they picked a
very disgruntled Kurd, with blue eyes and blonde hair to infiltrate
Boston (!) and perform some nefarious deed.
That is the next level I guess.
La N
Anyway, it's only you Americans who read the "canada free press". Lots of
good info in there on how to bring down the Obama administration.
Sheesh.
- nilita
William Black
The major problem with all this stuff is finding someone who can get
papers to fly.
These days this is not a trivial matter.
The days of a forged passport with a visa printed in it being sold on
London street corners for a thousand quid are long gone...
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
David E. Powell
I got linked to the story by the "Jawa Report" blog. Has anyone heard
of a similar Wall Street Journal story? I have seen mention of it
today but have not been able to track it down. I did find this site
however.
Sadly home grown terrorism is a worry. Wasn't familiar with the rest
of the CFP site though.
David E. Powell
> Jack Linthicum wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 4:46 pm, "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> David E. Powell wrote:
> >>>http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18065
> >> < snip >
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> >> Good gawd. Jack, look what you started!
>
> > I once read a novel in which the bad guys, Moslems, spent time finding
> > Anglo-Saxon look-alikes in their areas. In this case they picked a
> > very disgruntled Kurd, with blue eyes and blonde hair to infiltrate
> > Boston (!) and perform some nefarious deed.
>
> > That is the next level I guess.
In "Executive Orders" by Tom Clancy there was a guy who called himself
"Movie Star" who made a point to be able to blend in a lot of places.
As an Iranian with light hair he looked European (Clancy even
mentioned that the "Aryan" links were actually in Iran and India, not
Europe.)
> The major problem with all this stuff is finding someone who can get
> papers to fly.
>
> These days this is not a trivial matter.
>
> The days of a forged passport with a visa printed in it being sold on
> London street corners for a thousand quid are long gone...
Agreed. Someone with US citizenship wouldn't have a problem getting
back into the US though. Unless they were on a watch list, but the guy
who tried the Christmas attack was on a list as well and still got on
the plane.
La N
Well, here's a hint for the future ... anything that links to the CFP site
is worth about the same as a link to Weekly World News featuring the ongoing
adventures of Bat Boy ...;)
- nil
Jack Linthicum
There are means to create new personalities. The Soviets used to use
the deaths of infants to create a "legend" that would fit someone they
wanted to bring into the West. I just saw an article where one sailor
had used the birth certificate of a child who died in Oregon in 1980
for 22 years. The "legend" can live if it is "saved" ie not used
immediately. Someone who was created ten or more years ago in
anticipation of a need for a "real" person to be brought into the
United States.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1401942.html
tankfixer
says...
Funny but some feel the same way about DailyKos and Huffington Post..
La N
Maybe so .... maybe so .... But, at least the DailyKos and Huffington Post
have huge readerships. The so-called "Canada Free Press" is beyond nutty.
I think even most Conservatives would find it loopy.
- nilita
tankfixer
says...
I would submit that a greater number of readers doesn't imply a lack of
nuttyness..
All it may mean is those sites cater to a particular brand of nut...
La N
What would *you* suggest are the best news sources, eh Tanky? Where would
*I*, a non Blog reader, get fair and balanced reporting ....
Eh?
- nilita
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<MPG.25a9b02...@news.bytemine.n
et>,
tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I would submit that a greater number of readers doesn't imply a lack of
> nuttyness..
>
> All it may mean is those sites cater to a particular brand of nut...
Which explains newsgroups?
Richard
Does the backwoods fella from the Carolinas a few months back fit this
description?
At first glance it sounds so.
Richard
> In article <F6T%m.58305$Db2.43950@edtnps83>, nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com
> says...
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> > > In article <CEP%m.60062$PH1.23824@edtnps82>,
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Hell yes; look at the NYT as an example.
Seems to cater to guilt ridden liberals who must apologise constantly
for having money...and come up with endless ways to spend everyone
else's 'doing-good' as well.
Jack Linthicum
Cite?
Richard
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Jack Linthicum
I would question whether they fit the pattern. We will be getting more
and more of the type though, I hates the guvmint, they is taxin me but
I have my guns to exercise my rights.
Alan Lothian
<bb6c8e2d-3577-4587...@3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
David E. Powell <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
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> In "Executive Orders" by Tom Clancy there was a guy who called himself
> "Movie Star" who made a point to
Well, let me make a counter-point. Just because Tom Clancy writes
something does not mean that it is true.
--
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun
If you wish to email me, try putting a dot between alan and lothian.
Blueyonder is a thing of the past.
Richard
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Yeah, that's a big concern. The nuttiness of the Tim McVeighs +
intifada + the outlier extremist mentality (i.e., Repub & Dem whackos)
= terrorism &/or a gradual balkanization of the US.
Fortunately most of us can carry concealed. ;-)
Jack Linthicum
There you go again. Just an ordinary American citizen, fully armed and
asking for trouble.
tankfixer
From ONE news source ?
'Taint possible...
Use many.
Trust none.
tankfixer
atlas-...@invalid.invalid says...
Ding..
You'd get a Christmas cookie, if there were any left..
dott.Piergiorgio
>>> Does the backwoods fella from the Carolinas a few months back fit this
>>> description?
>>> At first glance it sounds so.
>> Cite?
> http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/2009/ce072709.htm
Mh... I notice mainly the existence of a dissemination facility, at
least (if I have understand well the meaning of that ISAAC...)
(sorry, but as everyone known, is my stance that US major weakness lies
in the rather questionable manglement & handling of intelligence)
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
dott.Piergiorgio
> Yeah, that's a big concern. The nuttiness of the Tim McVeighs +
> intifada + the outlier extremist mentality (i.e., Repub & Dem whackos)
> = terrorism &/or a gradual balkanization of the US.
You can explain your meaning of balkanization ? here (that is, the major
power bordering the actual Balkan) balkanization means at least four or
five factions warring each other, with really fluid frontlines & borders...
Bestregards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
La N
I agree with you on this.
- nilita
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<MPG.25aa690...@news.bytemine.n
> In article <atlas-bugged-1C32...@aries.ka.weretis.net>,
> atlas-...@invalid.invalid says...
> >
> > In article
> > <MPG.25a9b02...@news.bytemine.n
> > et>,
> > tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would submit that a greater number of readers doesn't imply a lack of
> > > nuttyness..
> > >
> > > All it may mean is those sites cater to a particular brand of nut...
> >
> > Which explains newsgroups?
>
> Ding..
> You'd get a Christmas cookie, if there were any left..
Timing is everything
tankfixer
>
> In article
> <MPG.25aa690...@news.bytemine.n
> et>,
> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > In article <atlas-bugged-1C32...@aries.ka.weretis.net>,
> > atlas-...@invalid.invalid says...
> > >
> > > In article
> > > <MPG.25a9b02...@news.bytemine.n
> > > et>,
> > > tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would submit that a greater number of readers doesn't imply a lack of
> > > > nuttyness..
> > > >
> > > > All it may mean is those sites cater to a particular brand of nut...
> > >
> > > Which explains newsgroups?
> >
> > Ding..
> > You'd get a Christmas cookie, if there were any left..
>
> Timing is everything
When it comes to Chirstmas goodies a cutlass comes in handy around
here..
David E. Powell
That's the pattern of Nichols and McVeigh and the Kehoe brothers.
http://www.eyeonhate.com/mcveigh/mcveigh8.html
Except this is a different ideology. The FBI and others have had mixed
success infiltrating the hate groups out there, this has the added
dimension of being based on twisted Islam as opposed to twisted
Christianity. I wonder if the FBI could get a Donnie Brasco type mole
in there, the international travel would make it tough. They'd have to
go real deep cover for quite some time to get close to anyone big.
There is the argument there that there could be a connection between
terror cells with different "backgrounds" or motivation, though the
differing ideology would be tough. Different religions can be tougher
to organize than "fellow travelers" with common political ends.
The worry would be something like the 1970s or so when common ideology
caused European, Middle Eastern and Japanese cells to coordinate and
cooperate on attacks.
David E. Powell
A religion doesn't have to make social background or racial
distinctions. Anyone can join. Ironically that might make them less
palatable to the McVeigh types out there. Though the Nation of Islam
went that route, part of why Malcolm X turned against Elijah Muhammad
after Malcolm went to Mecca and saw Muslims of all races together.
Unfortunately Malcolm was killed shortly after. Also there are racist
groups that have used "Christian" in their name, much to the annoyance
of other Christians.
It does make a heck of a nightmare scenario, the thought that some of
those types might one day think that Iran had the right idea on what
to do about gays, Jews and gender politics, and hook up with an
Islamist cell to provide aid. Instant knowledge of the country and
possibly even technical help on explosives and the like.
That said, a member of a religious cult or splinter group doesn't have
to be any specific race or look. The Moonies get all types too.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<MPG.25aa964...@news.bytemine.n
> > > > > I would submit that a greater number of readers doesn't imply a lack
> > > > > of
> > > > > nuttyness..
> > > > >
> > > > > All it may mean is those sites cater to a particular brand of nut...
> > > >
> > > > Which explains newsgroups?
> > >
> > > Ding..
> > > You'd get a Christmas cookie, if there were any left..
> >
> > Timing is everything
>
> When it comes to Chirstmas goodies a cutlass comes in handy around
> here..
Maybe you could just put me on the short
list for next Christmas.
Richard
We tend to gather and collate (EINT at least) but fail to cross-index
properly (too much 'kingdom building' and turf war
compartmentalization I suspect) and so any review at a higher level
suffers...when and if the information is actually passed that far up
the pay grade scale.
Andrew Swallow
{snip}
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> Hell yes; look at the NYT as an example.
>
> Seems to cater to guilt ridden liberals who must apologise constantly
> for having money...and come up with endless ways to spend everyone
> else's 'doing-good' as well.
I suspect that you are being a little naive here. Social Security
is not a charity. Charities expect their workers to work for free.
Government departments *pay* people to help.
Andrew Swallow
Jim Yanik
news:8_GdnQPRB8J9ftzW...@bt.com:
As it's currently operated,Social Security is a pyramid scheme.
(with the funds never invested,thus earning NO interest....)
also,you have people receiving benefits,who never paid into SS.
Third,gov'ts never operate anything efficiently.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Jack Linthicum
> Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote innews:8_GdnQPRB8J9ftzW...@bt.com:
But think where SS would be if Bush had gotten his way and it had
become an investment in the stock market. Lots of poor old people
lining up to lynch him as he left the Capitol after Obama's
inauguration.
Jack Linthicum
Which government do you think runs Medicare? And how many people
screamed when the stock cant against the Health Care idea was "don't
touch my Medicare"? Oh, yes, ask the members of the House and Senate
how they like their government-run health plans. You know the ones
with the government run options.
To make this on topic how would you like a contractor-run Navy?
La N
>
> To make this on topic how would you like a contractor-run Navy?
That's an interesting concept. What do you think that Navy would look like?
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
Well, let's start with Pearl Harbor. There is no chance that
contractors would be working at 9 am on a Sunday. Once the bombing was
over, they would ask for a new contract to examine the damage done.
Then the possibility that there were ships under construction would
probably be another contractor or contractors.
I am working on how the ships would be painted. Once every ten years
or with changing billboard type advertisements?
I think by 1976, we might have defeated the Japanese.
La N
I would imagine that the contractors would bill some government agency for
their work?
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
There would be a contract with the obvious need for cost overruns
built in. Watch what happens to the Health Care Bill to see where this
would lead.
La N
Is the Dutch military still unionized? I don't know what made me think of
that ...
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
Unions and contractors only mix when the top level is the same. The
National Football League has run the NFL Players Association for the
last X years. Next year may see another attempt at breaking free.
frank
> Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote innews:8_GdnQPRB8J9ftzW...@bt.com:
Not true. They go into the Treasury and become T bills like every
other amount of money taken in. Of course China primarily buys them,
as does the Queen of England among others.
I agree, US Navy is not efficient.
Think of SS as any other debt incurred by the US government. Its going
to be paid, no matter how much ranting and railing you do.
frank
We had 24 hour shifts. Now, the Army, if THOSE guys were doing the
painting, they'd still be billing for the garbage scow, let along the
BBs and carriers.
They proposed $80k for a generator shed. In 1983 dollars. And we
already had the concrete pad. We just needed 4 walls and a roof over
the generator. Say 5 x 5 ft or so. Make it 10 x 10.
Could be worse. Had a leaky roof at Maui site. Had plastic sheeting to
keep the rain off the computers. Repairs were on Hawaiian time.
Tomorrow, tomorrow.....
dott.Piergiorgio
Or signed the Yohokama peace treaty, establishing the border between US
and Japanese Empire along the Missisippi & Missouri rivers..... ;)