Brits Dump "Red Ken" & Elect Tory As London Mayor
D. Spencer Hines
The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
important public office....
Just as the French elected a Real Frenchman and the Canadians elected a Real
Canadian as their Prime Ministers.
Rather Then These Sniffling, Scruffy, Ragamuffin Little Socialists...
Stay Tuned...
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
-------------------------------------------------
BBC News
Johnson wins London mayoral race
Boris Johnson has won the race to become the next mayor of London - ending
Ken Livingstone's eight-year reign at City Hall.
The Conservative candidate won with 1,168,738 first and second preference
votes, compared with Mr Livingstone's 1,028,966 on a record turnout of 45%.
He paid tribute to Mr Livingstone and appeared to offer him a possible role
in his new administration.
Lib Dem Brian Paddick came third and the Greens' Sian Berry came fourth.
Mr Johnson is expected to stand down as MP for Henley, triggering a
by-election.
'Exuberant nerve'
After signing his official declaration of office at City Hall, he urged
people to help build upon the "very considerable achievements of the last
mayor of London".
In his victory speech, he described Mr Livingstone as "a very considerable
public servant".
FIRST AND SECOND PREFERENCE VOTES
Boris Johnson: 1,168,738
Ken Livingstone: 1,028,966
He added: "You shaped the office of mayor. You gave it national prominence
and when London was attacked on 7 July 2005 you spoke for London."
Mr Johnson also paid tribute to his "courage and the sheer exuberant nerve
with which you stuck it to your enemies, especially in New Labour".
Hilarious! -- DSH
Mr Johnson told Mr Livingstone he hoped to "discover a way in which the
mayoralty can continue to benefit from your transparent love of London".
He said he would work to earn the trust of those that had opposed him, or
who had hesitated before voting for him.
"I will work flat out to repay and to justify your confidence. We have a new
team ready to go into City Hall.
"Where there have been mistakes we will rectify them, where there are
achievements we will build on them, where there are neglected opportunities
we will seize on them."
Livingstone 'sorry'
He promised to focus on crime by promoting 24-hour policing, transport,
including promoting cycling, green spaces, affordable homes and getting
value for money for taxpayers.
Excellent! -- DSH
Mr Johnson's victory crowns the Conservative Party's May Day local election
wins in England and Wales.
FIRST PREFERENCE VOTES
Boris Johnson (Tory): 1,043,761
Ken Livingstone (Lab): 893,877
Brian Paddick (Lib Dem): 236,685
Sian Berry (Green): 77,374
Richard Barnbrook (BNP): 69,710
Alan Craig (Christian Choice): 39,249
Gerard Batten (UKIP): 22,422
Lindsey German (Left List): 16,796
Matt O'Connor (Eng Democrats): 10,695
Winston McKenzie (Ind): 5,389
He said he hoped it showed the party had changed "into a party that can be
trusted after 30 years with the greatest, most cosmopolitan, multi-racial
generous hearted city on earth".
Mr Livingstone's defeat ended what Gordon Brown called a "bad" day for
Labour, in which it suffered its worst council results for 40 years.
Asked by the BBC what his views were on the poor Labour showing, Mr Johnson
said: "The smart thing for Labour to do would be to quietly to remove Gordon
Brown and install [Foreign Secretary David] Miliband, is my view, but I
don't think they'll do it."
In his speech after the result was declared at City Hall, Mr Livingstone
thanked the Labour Party for all its help with his campaign.
Ken Livingstone accepts electoral responsibility
"There is absolutely nothing that I could have asked from the Labour Party
that it didn't throw into this election, from Gordon Brown right the way
down to the newest recruit, handing out leaflets on very wet, cold days.
"I'm sorry I couldn't get an extra few points that would take us to victory
and the fault for that is solely my own. You can't be mayor for eight years
and then if you don't at third term say it was somebody else's fault. I
accept that responsibility and I regret that I couldn't take you to
victory."
However, Justice Secretary Jack Straw said Labour as a whole should shoulder
the blame for Mr Livingstone's loss.
He told BBC News: "I disagree with Ken in one particular only, that we all
share the responsibility for the defeat that he suffered yesterday."
Mr Straw admitted that the row over the 10p tax rate had left some voters
"understandably very upset".
The government would get behind Londoners' decision at the polls, he added.
Conservative Party leader David Cameron praised Mr Johnson for a "serious
and energetic campaign" and said his party was "winning the battle of
ideas".
Indeed! Conservatives ARE the Party with Ideas & ideas. -- DSH
Liberal Democrat candidate Brian Paddick paid tribute to Ken Livingstone as
"an amazing mayor" and indicated that he would not be interested in working
with Mr Johnson.
He said he would be talking to Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg about his future
and what he could do for the party.
D. Spencer Hines
chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly elected Mayor of London,
on the campaign trail in 2004
-----------------------------------
Capital!
A Real Brit Indeed...
Tory ---- Eton & Oxford.
Member of the Bullington Club...
However he is somewhat scruffy and overweight...
Needs to lose 20 pounds and cut his hair...
Plus -- Get A Better Tailor...
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
J A
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:dR3Tj.509$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> Sterling!
>
> The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
> important public office....
That is good news.
The last PM they had, let an obvious fool drag them into participating in a
war with no idea of how to handle the aftermath.
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your
>chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly elected Mayor of London,
>on the campaign trail in 2004
>-----------------------------------
>
>Capital!
>
>A Real Brit Indeed...
>
>Tory ---- Eton & Oxford.
>
>Member of the Bullington Club...
>
>However he is somewhat scruffy and overweight...
>
>Needs to lose 20 pounds and cut his hair...
>
>Plus -- Get A Better Tailor...
Another profound comment from the king of superficiality.
James
James Hogg
>
>"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
>news:dR3Tj.509$v91....@eagle.america.net...
>> Sterling!
>>
>> The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
>> important public office....
>
>That is good news.
>
>The last PM they had, let an obvious fool drag them into participating in a
>war with no idea of how to handle the aftermath.
Let's hope Boris Johnson won't be dragging London into any wars.
James
Ray O'Hara
"J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
news:9JWdnSSk0OXyT4HV...@earthlink.com...
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
> news:dR3Tj.509$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> > Sterling!
> >
> > The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
> > important public office....
>
> That is good news.
>
> The last PM they had, let an obvious fool drag them into participating in
a
> war with no idea of how to handle the aftermath.
the chimperor couldn't have done it without his limey lackey's help.
William Black
"James Hogg" <Jas.H...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6anp14d459q24g6a2...@4ax.com...
One assumes we are talking about Boris?
You know, the quarter Turkish, eighth Jewish old Etonian who was born in
New York and a US citizen until a few years ago when he took British
Citizenship.
I somehow doubt that there is a better tailor than his...
I do have to add that he comes across a buffoon, but in his defence he was
Chairman of the Oxford Union and is an extremely successful, if
controversial, journalist.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your
>chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly elected Mayor of London,
>on the campaign trail in 2004
Boris seems to have missed the fact that women (most of whom do not
have a wife) have had the vote for a few decades now.
Mind you, Boris has been very entertaining on "Have I Got News For
You". I trust you have purchased the DVDs, David. Essential if you
want to keep up with British current affairs.
James
deem...@aol.com
> "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9JWdnSSk0OXyT4HV...@earthlink.com...
>
>
>
> >news:dR3Tj.509$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> > > Sterling!
>
> > > The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
> > > important public office....
>
> > That is good news.
>
> > The last PM they had, let an obvious fool drag them into participating in
> a
> > war with no idea of how to handle the aftermath.
>
> the chimperor couldn't have done it without his limey lackey's help.
I think he would've found a way.
deem...@aol.com
You do realize that UK conservatives are somewhere to the left of
our Democrats?
I do have one question for the Brits.....the winner didn't get a
majority. Over here, that would usually result in a run-off between
the two top vote-getters. Are there any elections in the UK where it
takes 50% + 1 to win?
J A
"Ray O'Hara" <mary.p...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:8a-dnQCJU-omfIHV...@rcn.net...
Sure he could have, he's got jesus...
It just would have hastened scepticism.
>
>
J A
Whent that big Antarctic ice sheets slides off into the ocean, raising sea
level and backing up coastal city sewer systems, he'll need all his skills.
>
> James
Martin
> news:dR3Tj.509$v91....@eagle.america.net...
>> Sterling!
>>
>> The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
>> important public office....
>
> That is good news.
>
> The last PM they had, let an obvious fool drag them into participating in
> a war with no idea of how to handle the aftermath.
Just look what he's been replaced with....
James Hogg
On Sat, 3 May 2008 21:22:05 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>Sterling!
>
>The Brits are beginning to wake up to reality and elect real Brits to
>important public office....
>
>Just as the French elected a real Frenchman and the Canadians elected a real
>Canadian as their Prime Ministers.
>
>Rather Then [sic] These Sniffling, Scruffy, Ragamuffin Little Socialists...
The difference between "then" and "than" is almost as tricky for some
people as that between "lie" and "lay".
Or perhaps it was a Freudian slip for:
Rather, then, these sniffling, scruffy, ragamuffin little
socialists...
James
La N
And, this is the sad outcome of the No Hines-Child Left Behind educational
system in the U.S. One embarrassing faux pas after another posted for the
world to see and correct.
- nilita
J A
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:xl4Tj.510$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your
> chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly elected Mayor of
> London, on the campaign trail in 2004
McCain should try that out instead of the gas tax refund thing - which is
obviously not sensible...
James Hogg
I thought Boris had only been elected for four years.
James
deem...@aol.com
> "James Hogg" <Jas.Hogg...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
Everyone has to have someone to look down upon.
D. Spencer Hines
He was PRESIDENT of the Oxford Union Society.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fvio1l$l2u$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> I do have to add that he comes across a buffoon, but in his defence he was
> Chairman [sic] of the Oxford Union and is an extremely successful, if
> controversial, journalist.
James Hogg
Yes, the London mayoral election works that way in practice. On your
ballot paper you can vote for two candidates, numbered in order of
preference. Instead of a "run-off" they count the second-preference
votes. Wiki:
"Voters whose first choice has been eliminated but whose second choice
is one of the top two candidates have their second preference vote
added to the first-round totals for the leading candidates. This gives
a result whereby the winning candidate may be able to claim majority
support, although it is not guaranteed."
Boris Johnson had 53.2% of the first and second preference votes
combined. Much to the relief of Chelsea Tractor drivers and Daily Mail
readers.
James
D. Spencer Hines
Boris Johnson
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
As I was saying...
Boris Johnson...
Real Brit.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
-------------------------------------------------
"It is time to reassert British values…That means disposing of the first
taboo, and accepting that the problem is Islam. Islam is the problem. To any
non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a
natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to
provoke. Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is
preached in the mosques — it is the most viciously sectarian of all
religions. The trouble with this disgusting arrogance and condescension is
that it is widely supported in Koranic texts, and we look in vain for the
enlightened Islamic teachers and preachers who will begin the process of
reform. What is going on in these mosques and madrasas? "When is someone
going to get 18th century on Islam’s mediaeval ass?"
Boris Johnson in _The Spectator_ shortly after the 7 July 2005 bombings
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>No...
>
>He was PRESIDENT of the Oxford Union Society.
Indeed, just like Tariq Ali, Tony Benn, Worzel Gummidge
(aka Michael Foot) and Woy Jenkins, all former presidents of the
Oxford Union.
James
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
-----------------------------------------------------------
"If gay marriage was OK - and I was uncertain on the issue - then I saw no
reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men,
as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog."
Boris Johnson
_Friends, Voters, Countrymen_ (2001)
William Black
<deem...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:504fbdc4-ad71-4952...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
You do realize that UK conservatives are somewhere to the left of
our Democrats?
-------------------------
And Boris is somewhat over to the left of the Tory Party.
He's well to the left of Hilary.
I suppose if Obama would actually tell us what his policies will be we could
work out where he'd sit in respect to British politics, but all that has
been reported here is that:
1. He's black
2. He would get the troops out of Iraq double quick
3. His local vicar is stark bonkers. (But there's no shortage of slightly
deranged clerical gentlemen here either)
So we're obviously not going to find out until he gets elected, if he
does...
William Black
> Boris Johnson had 53.2% of the first and second preference votes
> combined. Much to the relief of Chelsea Tractor drivers and Daily Mail
> readers.
I doubt the mail readers will be that happy.
Have you read Boris's comments on immigrants?
deem...@aol.com
wrote:
> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:504fbdc4-ad71-4952...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> You do realize that UK conservatives are somewhere to the left of
> our Democrats?
>
> -------------------------
>
> And Boris is somewhat over to the left of the Tory Party.
>
> He's well to the left of Hilary.
>
> I suppose if Obama would actually tell us what his policies will be we could
> work out where he'd sit in respect to British politics, but all that has
> been reported here is that:
>
> 1. He's black
>
> 2. He would get the troops out of Iraq double quick
>
> 3. His local vicar is stark bonkers. (But there's no shortage of slightly
> deranged clerical gentlemen here either)
>
> So we're obviously not going to find out until he gets elected, if he
> does...
Obama and Hillary are really very close on the issues. Right now,
they're nit-picking and making personal attacks....well, to be
accurate, their people are making most of the personal attacks. The
only one winning right now is McCain.
deem...@aol.com
Well, leave off the dog, and he's correct. (Now you get to bring
up the incest thing)
D. Spencer Hines
Obama's being smoked out on his policies at present -- by both Hillary and
McCain.
His feet are being held to the fire...
First Issue...
Obama is ANTI a Gas-Tax Holiday. [Petrol]
Both Hillary and McCain are FOR it.
DSH
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fvirnv$492$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fvirqn$4er$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
J A
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:hT6Tj.515$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> Not Really...
>
> Obama's being smoked out on his policies at present -- by both Hillary and
> McCain.
>
> His feet are being held to the fire...
>
> First Issue...
>
> Obama is ANTI a Gas-Tax Holiday. [Petrol]
>
> Both Hillary and McCain are FOR it.
And so are you, no doubt.
D. Spencer Hines
nose. In fact, I may have been doing icing sugar."
Boris Johnson - after being questioned on _Have I Got News for You_ about
drug use
--------------------------------
Much more imaginative and entertaining than Bill Clinton's answer about
weed.
D. Spencer Hines
is an inverted pyramid of piffle"
Boris Johnson - on press reports of his relationship with Ms. Wyatt
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<G>
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Britannicus Traductus Sum
D. Spencer Hines
Boris Johnson - after suggesting the country was known for "chief-killing
and cannibalism"
John Briggs
>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 21:52:45 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
>> <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and
>>> increase your chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly
>>> elected Mayor of London,
>>> on the campaign trail in 2004
>>>
>>> Capital!
>>>
>>> A Real Brit Indeed...
>>>
>>> Tory ---- Eton & Oxford.
>>>
>>> Member of the Bullington Club...
>>>
>>> However he is somewhat scruffy and overweight...
>>>
>>> Needs to lose 20 pounds and cut his hair...
>>>
>>> Plus -- Get A Better Tailor...
>>
>>
>
> One assumes we are talking about Boris?
>
> You know, the quarter Turkish, eighth Jewish old Etonian who was
> born in New York and a US citizen until a few years ago when he took
> British Citizenship.
One-eighth Turkish - unless there is another eighth I don't know about...
(We've had this conversation before!)
--
John Briggs
D. Spencer Hines
journalist, was briefly interior minister in the government of Ahmed Tevfik
Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire. His grandfather Osman Ali
settled in the UK in the 1920s and changed his name to Wilfred Johnson."
-- BBC News
If Ali Kemal married a Turkish woman and they were the parents of Boris
Johnson's Turkish grandfather, Osman Ali, then Boris is perhaps ONE-QUARTER
Turkish.
If Boris's great-grandmother who married Ali Kemal and bore Osman Ali was
NOT Turkish then Boris is perhaps ONE-EIGHTH Turkish.
Although if Osman Ali married a Turkish WOMAN...Boris could possibly be
ONE-HALF Turkish... <G>
And so forth...
Who is his MOTHER?
What's HER background?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
------------------------------------------------------
"John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:xs7Tj.97417$h65....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
D. Spencer Hines
journalist, was briefly interior minister in the government of Ahmed Tevfik
Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire. His grandfather Osman Ali
settled in the UK in the 1920s and changed his name to Wilfred Johnson."
-- BBC News
If Ali Kemal married a Turkish woman and they were the parents of Boris
Johnson's Turkish grandfather, Osman Ali, then Boris is perhaps ONE-QUARTER
Turkish.
If Boris's great-grandmother who married Ali Kemal and bore Osman Ali was
NOT Turkish then Boris is perhaps ONE-EIGHTH Turkish.
Although if Osman Ali married a Turkish WOMAN...Boris could possibly be
ONE-HALF Turkish... <G>
And so forth...
Who is his MOTHER?
What's HER background?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
------------------------------------------------------
"John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:xs7Tj.97417$h65....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> William Black wrote:
D. Spencer Hines
place to learn his trade.
He was already known for his sense of humour and his bumbling "old-duffer"
persona - but he also displayed a ruthless streak in his pursuit of his
political aims.
He even briefly spurned his Conservative allegiances in favour of the then
fashionable SDP as part of his successful campaign to be president of the
Oxford Union.
He was also elected to the elite Bullingdon Club, famed for its
hard-drinking, riotous behaviour.
Fellow members included his close friend Charles Spencer, younger brother of
Diana, Princess of Wales, plus the future Tory leader David Cameron.
In one group photograph - which would later come back to haunt him - Mr
Johnson is pictured lounging decadently in his £1,200 Bullingdon Club
tailcoat, alongside Mr Cameron.
The Bullingdon Club was infamous for trashing local restaurants, before
handing over a cheque to cover the damage.
BBC News
--------------------------------
Charming...
He should get along just fine with Bush and McCain...
And Sarkozy...
And Harper.
On his travels...
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Britannicus Traductus Sum
Billzz
news:xs7Tj.97417$h65....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
I am an eighth Turkish (that'd be the coffee) and another eighth Jewish
(that'd be the lox and bagels) and another eighth Irish (that'd be the
Guinness Stout) and another eighth Scots (that'd be the Cutty Sark - I have
rough tastes) and another eighth Chinese (that'd be the Moo Goo Gai Pan) and
another eighth Hawaiian (that'd be Captain Cook) and another eighth American
Indian (that'd be the buffalo burger) and another eighth Indian from India
(that'd be the curry - and would explain the unending heartburn.) So
genealogy, and eugenics, are such exact sciences, that I am sure that this
makes exquisite sense, and explains everything about myself, and the Mayor
of London.
D. Spencer Hines
Charlotte Johnson Wahl, the daughter of Sir James Fawcett, a prominent
barrister and president of the European Commission of Human Rights.
[Wikipedia]
So, if that's true -- he's probably all Brit [English?] on his mother's
side.
But born in New York in 1964.
Deeeeeeeelightful!
He goes Winston one better -- as Winston only had an American mother.
What are the chances this chap could become PM someday not too far away?
Of course there is Cameron...
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Britannicus Traductus Sum
--------------------------------------------
Jamie Oliver
Johnson was criticised at the 2006 Conservative party conference for his
comments regarding the campaign for healthier school dinners headed by
celebrity TV chef Jamie Oliver. He stated, "I say let people eat what they
like. Why shouldn't they push pies through the railings? I would ban
sweets from school – but this pressure to bring in healthy food is too
much."
Earlier at the conference, David Cameron, the Tory party leader, had lauded
Oliver's campaign as an example of "social responsibility in action".
Johnson has since described Oliver as a "national saint" and a
"messiah". [Wikipedia]
D. Spencer Hines
editorship of The Spectator. He was still only 35 but this prize was far
from the limits of his ambition. As a youngster, he once confided to a
friend that he would like to be President of the United States. (His birth
in New York made this possible, albeit ludicrous)."
He'd no doubt be a far better CANDIDATE than many we've seen in recent
years.
He's welcome to try...
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
-----------------------------------------
From The Times
May 3, 2008
How Boris Johnson finally grew up to grasp his shot at redemption
Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor
Shortly before Christmas, David Cameron phoned Boris Johnson at his home in
North London. It was not a social call.
The Tory leader had been unsure from the start about Mr Johnson as a mayoral
candidate. With three months to go before the start of the formal campaign
there was little sign of progress. How, Mr Cameron inquired, did Boris
intend to take the fight to Ken Livingstone?
The two men have known each other for almost 25 years. At Eton, at Oxford,
in the media and in politics their lives have touched, diverged and touched
again. Now their fates have became wound together in the most extraordinary
fashion.
For the majority of their acquaintanceship, Mr Cameron has bobbed in the
older man’s wake. Boris Johnson was enjoying fame even as David Cameron,
then a 13-year-old new boy, first saw that blond mop. Honours fell to the
young Boris almost in inverse proportion to the amount of effort he made to
secure them. He was considered brilliant at Eton: Cameron was not for most
of his school career.
Boris was elected to Pop, a pupil-selected elite: the schoolboy Cameron was
not. It is not clear whether Johnson helped to elect his younger peer to the
Bullingdon. It seems almost certain that he helped to trash Mr Cameron’s
room at Brasenose College, the ritual welcome to Oxford’s most notorious
dining club.
<G> -- DSH
By the time that Mr Cameron joined Conservative Central Office his
near-contemporary was already making his name as a journalist, most notably
as The Daily Telegraph’s Brussels correspondent. It was said that Mr Johnson
was Margaret Thatcher’s favourite journalist. Mr Cameron has admitted that
his own encounters with Mrs Thatcher while she was Prime Minister were
unlikely to have left her with a favourable impression, if indeed any
impression at all.
<G> -- DSH
The 1990s were a decade of brilliance for Boris, capped in 1999 with the
editorship of The Spectator. He was still only 35 but this prize was far
from the limits of his ambition. As a youngster, he once confided to a
friend that he would like to be President of the United States. (His birth
in New York made this possible, albeit ludicrous).
By now Messrs Johnson and Cameron were joined by a third combatant, George
Osborne. The three were asked by Iain Duncan Smith to help him to prepare
for Prime Minister’s Questions. It was a demanding brief but one that Mr
Cameron performed dutifully despite enduring a very difficult time after the
birth of his disabled son, Ivan. While Mr Cameron arrived punctually at his
party leader’s office at 7am, despite sometimes having spent the night on a
hospital floor, Boris Johnson would breeze in hours later and contribute
little of use.
For men such as Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne, veterans of the party machine, it
would have been hard not to share in the whips’ view that their colleague
lacked both seriousness and application. It was an opinion that Michael
Howard barely bothered to conceal. When he took over as party leader he
first left Mr Johnson out of his Shadow Cabinet and then sacked him from the
front bench. Given that Mr Cameron was part of the Howard inner circle it
seems likely that he had some part in this dismissal.
Hmmmmmmmm... -- DSH
It must have stung deeply when Mr Cameron left him out of his first Shadow
Cabinet on being made leader. Mr Johnson had been one of only 14 MPs to
back him from the start in the 2005 leadership election. When mild
criticism of Jamie Oliver by Mr Johnson provoked a media storm that
threatened to overshadow Mr Cameron’s first speech as leader to a party
conference in 2006, fears that Brand Boris was too big and dangerous
increased.
Whatever he might say now, it is clear that Mr Cameron was not enthusiastic
about a Boris candidature when it was first floated. For Mr Johnson it was
a shot at redemption. “There is no doubt that there has been a growing-up
process,” said an insider. “This was something where charm alone would
never be enough.” By December Mr Johnson feared that his campaign was not
equal to the task. “He started to worry, I think, that he couldn’t win it,”
an observer said. Mr Cameron and, more particularly, Mr Osborne, who was
handling the London mayoral campaign at Tory HQ, had come to the same
conclusion.
The result was the arrival of Lynton Crosby. The Australian political
consultant is credited with turning the campaign around. It was decided to
pursue a strategy that concentrated on Tory-leaning boroughs.
Today Mr Cameron is full of praise, both in public and private, for his
candidate.
Victory has a hundred fathers while defeat is an orphan. -- DSH
[Oft credited to JFK, who used it, without accreditation, after his fiasco
at the Bay of Pigs but actually filched by Ted Sorensen from the Fascist
leader and son-in-law of Mussolini, Count Ciano, who filched it from
Tacitus, who may have filched it from Euripides. <g>] -- DSH [La victoria
trova cento padri, a nessuno vuole riconoscere l'insuccesso. -- Ciano]
The final credit for a Johnson victory would have to go to the candidate.
He has laundered his reputation as a gaffe-prone, lightweight idler with a
campaign of energy and discipline. Homer’s Iliad is Johnson’s central text.
Part of the charm of Boris Johnson is that he invites his public to see his
life in heroic terms.
<G> -- DSH
Even if his campaign were to end in defeat it would be cast as an heroic
failure. But Boris thinks he is better than that. Flawed but brilliant, he
wants to take his place in the field of honour where he has always thought
that he belonged.
Ascent of Boris
— Born June 19, 1964
— School: Eton College (captain of school)
— College: Balliol College, Oxford University, 2:1 in classics
— Media CV: The Times (sacked) The Daily Telegraph, The Spectator
— Elected MP for Henley 2001, appointed to front bench 2004
allan connochie
"Billzz" <billzz...@starband.net> wrote in message
news:27751$481d16f6$9440b19b$86...@STARBAND.NET...
Ah but the Captain Cook bit would increase your Scottish eighth slightly as
he was half Scots :-) Confusing stuff indeed .
Allan
Mats Peterson
>
> The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
> important public office....
>
> Just as the French elected a Real Frenchman and the Canadians elected a Real
> Canadian as their Prime Ministers.
>
> Rather Then These Sniffling, Scruffy, Ragamuffin Little Socialists...
>
> Stay Tuned...
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> BBC News
>
> Johnson wins London mayoral race
>
> Boris Johnson has won the race to become the next mayor of London - ending
> Ken Livingstone's eight-year reign at City Hall.
>
> The Conservative candidate won with 1,168,738 first and second preference
> votes, compared with Mr Livingstone's 1,028,966 on a record turnout of 45%.
>
> He paid tribute to Mr Livingstone and appeared to offer him a possible role
> in his new administration.
>
> Lib Dem Brian Paddick came third and the Greens' Sian Berry came fourth.
>
> Mr Johnson is expected to stand down as MP for Henley, triggering a
> by-election.
>
> 'Exuberant nerve'
>
> After signing his official declaration of office at City Hall, he urged
> people to help build upon the "very considerable achievements of the last
> mayor of London".
>
> In his victory speech, he described Mr Livingstone as "a very considerable
> public servant".
>
> FIRST AND SECOND PREFERENCE VOTES
>
> Boris Johnson: 1,168,738
> Ken Livingstone: 1,028,966
>
> He added: "You shaped the office of mayor. You gave it national prominence
> and when London was attacked on 7 July 2005 you spoke for London."
>
> Mr Johnson also paid tribute to his "courage and the sheer exuberant nerve
> with which you stuck it to your enemies, especially in New Labour".
>
> Hilarious! -- DSH
>
> Mr Johnson told Mr Livingstone he hoped to "discover a way in which the
> mayoralty can continue to benefit from your transparent love of London".
>
> He said he would work to earn the trust of those that had opposed him, or
> who had hesitated before voting for him.
>
> "I will work flat out to repay and to justify your confidence. We have a new
> team ready to go into City Hall.
>
> "Where there have been mistakes we will rectify them, where there are
> achievements we will build on them, where there are neglected opportunities
> we will seize on them."
>
> Livingstone 'sorry'
>
> He promised to focus on crime by promoting 24-hour policing, transport,
> including promoting cycling, green spaces, affordable homes and getting
> value for money for taxpayers.
>
> Excellent! -- DSH
>
> Mr Johnson's victory crowns the Conservative Party's May Day local election
> wins in England and Wales.
>
> FIRST PREFERENCE VOTES
>
> Boris Johnson (Tory): 1,043,761
> Ken Livingstone (Lab): 893,877
> Brian Paddick (Lib Dem): 236,685
> Sian Berry (Green): 77,374
> Richard Barnbrook (BNP): 69,710
> Alan Craig (Christian Choice): 39,249
> Gerard Batten (UKIP): 22,422
> Lindsey German (Left List): 16,796
> Matt O'Connor (Eng Democrats): 10,695
> Winston McKenzie (Ind): 5,389
>
> He said he hoped it showed the party had changed "into a party that can be
> trusted after 30 years with the greatest, most cosmopolitan, multi-racial
> generous hearted city on earth".
>
> Mr Livingstone's defeat ended what Gordon Brown called a "bad" day for
> Labour, in which it suffered its worst council results for 40 years.
>
> Asked by the BBC what his views were on the poor Labour showing, Mr Johnson
> said: "The smart thing for Labour to do would be to quietly to remove Gordon
> Brown and install [Foreign Secretary David] Miliband, is my view, but I
> don't think they'll do it."
>
> In his speech after the result was declared at City Hall, Mr Livingstone
> thanked the Labour Party for all its help with his campaign.
>
> Ken Livingstone accepts electoral responsibility
>
> "There is absolutely nothing that I could have asked from the Labour Party
> that it didn't throw into this election, from Gordon Brown right the way
> down to the newest recruit, handing out leaflets on very wet, cold days.
>
> "I'm sorry I couldn't get an extra few points that would take us to victory
> and the fault for that is solely my own. You can't be mayor for eight years
> and then if you don't at third term say it was somebody else's fault. I
> accept that responsibility and I regret that I couldn't take you to
> victory."
>
> However, Justice Secretary Jack Straw said Labour as a whole should shoulder
> the blame for Mr Livingstone's loss.
>
> He told BBC News: "I disagree with Ken in one particular only, that we all
> share the responsibility for the defeat that he suffered yesterday."
>
> Mr Straw admitted that the row over the 10p tax rate had left some voters
> "understandably very upset".
>
> The government would get behind Londoners' decision at the polls, he added.
>
> Conservative Party leader David Cameron praised Mr Johnson for a "serious
> and energetic campaign" and said his party was "winning the battle of
> ideas".
>
> Indeed! Conservatives ARE the Party with Ideas & ideas. -- DSH
>
> Liberal Democrat candidate Brian Paddick paid tribute to Ken Livingstone as
> "an amazing mayor" and indicated that he would not be interested in working
> with Mr Johnson.
>
> He said he would be talking to Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg about his future
> and what he could do for the party.
PLONK
--
Mats Peterson
http://www.geocities.com/matsp888/
Billzz
news:3sdTj.97730$h65....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
Aye. Now I have to recalculate. This genealogy stuff gets very confusing.
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>"When is someone going to get 18th century on Islam’s mediaeval ass?"
>
>Boris Johnson
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>As I was saying...
>
>Boris Johnson...
>
>Real Brit.
Here is some footage of Boris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRRYDVaXdaA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIUp19bBoA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcgrZs4GXv4&feature=related
James
a.spencer3
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:dR3Tj.509$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> Sterling!
>
> The Brits are beginning to WAKE UP to REALITY and elect REAL BRITS to
> important public office....
>
> Just as the French elected a Real Frenchman and the Canadians elected a
Real
> Canadian as their Prime Ministers.
>
> Rather Then These Sniffling, Scruffy, Ragamuffin Little Socialists...
>
> Stay Tuned...
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> -------------------------------------------------
>
Politics aside, you obviously haven't even read Boris's personal and
political biography.
I think you'd better, before praising him!
He was in the election for the publicity. The last thing he wanted was to
win it, and now have to do a day-to-day proper job for the next 4 years!
Did you not see his face drop at the election announcement?
Twit!
Surreyman
a.spencer3
>
> "James Hogg" <Jas.H...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6anp14d459q24g6a2...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 3 May 2008 21:52:45 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
> > <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase
your
> >>chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly elected Mayor of
> >>London,
> >>on the campaign trail in 2004
> >>-----------------------------------
> >>
> >>Capital!
> >>
> >>A Real Brit Indeed...
> >>
> >>Tory ---- Eton & Oxford.
> >>
> >>Member of the Bullington Club...
> >>
> >>However he is somewhat scruffy and overweight...
> >>
> >>Needs to lose 20 pounds and cut his hair...
> >>
> >>Plus -- Get A Better Tailor...
> >
> >
> > Another profound comment from the king of superficiality.
>
> One assumes we are talking about Boris?
>
> You know, the quarter Turkish, eighth Jewish old Etonian who was born in
> New York and a US citizen until a few years ago when he took British
> Citizenship.
>
>
> I do have to add that he comes across a buffoon, but in his defence he was
> Chairman of the Oxford Union and is an extremely successful, if
> controversial, journalist.
>
And educated in Belgium, which is probably the most damning.
Surreyman
a.spencer3
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:AP7Tj.521$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> "He is of Turkish descent. His great-grandfather, Ali Kemal, a Turkish
> journalist, was briefly interior minister in the government of Ahmed
Tevfik
> Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire. His grandfather Osman Ali
> settled in the UK in the 1920s and changed his name to Wilfred Johnson."
>
> -- BBC News
>
> If Ali Kemal married a Turkish woman and they were the parents of Boris
> Johnson's Turkish grandfather, Osman Ali, then Boris is perhaps
ONE-QUARTER
> Turkish.
>
> If Boris's great-grandmother who married Ali Kemal and bore Osman Ali was
> NOT Turkish then Boris is perhaps ONE-EIGHTH Turkish.
>
> Although if Osman Ali married a Turkish WOMAN...Boris could possibly be
> ONE-HALF Turkish... <G>
>
> And so forth...
>
> Who is his MOTHER?
>
> What's HER background?
>
>
equation!
Surreyman
William Black
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:AP7Tj.521$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> "He is of Turkish descent. His great-grandfather, Ali Kemal, a Turkish
> journalist, was briefly interior minister in the government of Ahmed
> Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire. His grandfather Osman
> Ali settled in the UK in the 1920s and changed his name to Wilfred
> Johnson."
>
> -- BBC News
>
> If Ali Kemal married a Turkish woman and they were the parents of Boris
> Johnson's Turkish grandfather, Osman Ali, then Boris is perhaps
> ONE-QUARTER Turkish.
>
> If Boris's great-grandmother who married Ali Kemal and bore Osman Ali was
> NOT Turkish then Boris is perhaps ONE-EIGHTH Turkish.
>
> Although if Osman Ali married a Turkish WOMAN...Boris could possibly be
> ONE-HALF Turkish... <G>
>
> And so forth...
Nobody actually cares.
> Who is his MOTHER?
>
> What's HER background?
Dunno.
I think his wife's half Indian.
Not sure though.
This is the UK.
Nobody but the bigots and the racists care.
Which are you?
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
William Black
> What are the chances this chap could become PM someday not too far away?
>
> Of course there is Cameron...
The Tory party is notoriously ruthless when dealing with failure.
Cameron will last until he makes a major mistake and becomes unpopular and
then it's an open bet who gets in.
Boris is fun, but he was put up for London because at the time he was seen
as having no real chance of success. Nobody though Brown would show all the
political deftness of a senile slug suffering from some ghastly disease.
Still, the next four years should be fun.
And Boris will get to get the blame for the Olympics when it all inevitably
goes horribly wrong, or at least, goes horribly expensive...
William Black
> "The 1990s were a decade of brilliance for Boris, capped in 1999 with the
> editorship of The Spectator. He was still only 35 but this prize was far
> from the limits of his ambition. As a youngster, he once confided to a
> friend that he would like to be President of the United States. (His
> birth in New York made this possible, albeit ludicrous)."
>
> He'd no doubt be a far better CANDIDATE than many we've seen in recent
> years.
>
> He's welcome to try...
I'd actually contribute to his campaign fund.
The idea of Boris as leader of the free world is both terrifying and
entertaining.
It's a reasonably safe assumption that he wouldn't have any journalists
tortured.
James Hogg
Given Spencer's constant talk about Real Brits, one suspects
his sympathies lie with the British National Party.
The Japanese, one of whom he married, have always been
counted as honorary Aryans.
James
William Black
What?
You mean they think the Japanese come from Northern India?
<No, I'm not being serious>
John Dallman
willia...@hotmail.co.uk (William Black) wrote:
> The Tory party is notoriously ruthless when dealing with failure.
>
> Cameron will last until he makes a major mistake and becomes
> unpopular and then it's an open bet who gets in.
Well, it's bit interesting. Cameron has been presenting a modernised,
small-l liberal Conservative Party. It's anyone's guess how much he
believes in this, but for sure there are a lot of MPs and party members
who want to get back to the old days. So when the general election
happens, he has several possible fates:
If he looses, he's probably chopped liver on toast. There will be a lot
of his party that draw the lesson he was doing the wrong thing, and that
they lost because they weren't right-wing enough. Yes, this is similar
to the wing of the Labour party of the eighties that claimed they had
lost to Thatcher because they weren't left-wing enough. Some kinds of
delusion are just those of idea-driven politicians in general, not of
any particular school.
If he wins with a big majority, a lot of the party will be going "Right!
Chop taxes, dump this green nonsense, and squeeze the poor!" He hasn't
been able to remake large parts of the party in his own image, as Blair
did with Labour, because (a) A large part of the point of being a
Conservative is to resist change, (b) Conservative MPs tend to be much
less dependent on their positions as MPs for a living than Labour ones
are, (c) Labour's policies - in finance and defence, at least - of the
last 11 years have been sufficiently similar to what they'd do that they
have been able to maintain their self-image as the natural party of
government and (d) Cameron hasn't had long enough for a through reform,
since the other three post-Major leaders (Hague, Duncan Smith, Howard)
had a very different approach. By contrast, Kinnock started throwing out
ultra-leftists in the eighties, about 15 years before Labour returned to
power. So the internal fight within the Conservative party is likely to
be quite spectacular.
If he wins with a small majority, or as the largest party in a hung
parliament, then he may be able to enforce discipline, long enough to
get his party into new habits. But it'll be challenging.
> Boris is fun, but he was put up for London because at the time he was
> seen as having no real chance of success. Nobody though Brown would
> show all the political deftness of a senile slug suffering from some
> ghastly disease.
It is really quite remarkable. Translation for Americans: our Prime
Minister seemed really quite organised as a cabinet minister. But since
becoming PM, he has abruptly become as accident-prone as Jimmy Carter
did in office, with far less visible reason for it.
> And Boris will get to get the blame for the Olympics when it all
> inevitably goes horribly wrong, or at least, goes horribly
> expensive...
I think he's slick enough to palm most of it off onto Tessa Jowell.
She's already suffering from that problem, and it will get worse; she
seems to be Labour's selected scapegoat for the Olympics, and joining in
on her is just easier.
--
John Dallman, j...@cix.co.uk, HTML mail is treated as probable spam.
John Briggs
> "He is of Turkish descent. His great-grandfather, Ali Kemal, a
> Turkish journalist, was briefly interior minister in the government
> of Ahmed Tevfik Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire. His
> grandfather Osman Ali settled in the UK in the 1920s and changed his
> name to Wilfred Johnson."
> -- BBC News
>
> If Ali Kemal married a Turkish woman and they were the parents of
> Boris Johnson's Turkish grandfather, Osman Ali, then Boris is perhaps
> ONE-QUARTER Turkish.
>
> If Boris's great-grandmother who married Ali Kemal and bore Osman Ali
> was NOT Turkish then Boris is perhaps ONE-EIGHTH Turkish.
>
> Although if Osman Ali married a Turkish WOMAN...Boris could possibly
> be ONE-HALF Turkish... <G>
>
> And so forth...
>
> Who is his MOTHER?
>
> What's HER background?
You have chosen to rely on an exceptionally inaccurate source. Osman
Wilfred Kemal was born in London, but his mother died shortly afterwards. He
remained with his grandmother when his father returned to Turkey (and later
remarried). He was given the surname "Johnson", which was his grandmother's
maiden name.
I realise that you have a short attention span, but is it syphilis or
alcoholism which has corroded your critical faculties? Don't you realise
that I am pathologically cautious about factual statements? Didn't you
wonder how Osman Kemal came to be called Wifred Johnson?
--
John Briggs
William Black
"John Dallman" <j...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.2008050...@jgd.compulink.co.uk...
> In article <fvk8lm$pdk$1...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> willia...@hotmail.co.uk (William Black) wrote:
> If he wins with a big majority, a lot of the party will be going "Right!
> Chop taxes, dump this green nonsense, and squeeze the poor!" He hasn't
> been able to remake large parts of the party in his own image, as Blair
> did with Labour, because (a) A large part of the point of being a
> Conservative is to resist change, (b) Conservative MPs tend to be much
> less dependent on their positions as MPs for a living than Labour ones
> are, (c) Labour's policies - in finance and defence, at least - of the
> last 11 years have been sufficiently similar to what they'd do that they
> have been able to maintain their self-image as the natural party of
> government and (d) Cameron hasn't had long enough for a through reform,
> since the other three post-Major leaders (Hague, Duncan Smith, Howard)
> had a very different approach. By contrast, Kinnock started throwing out
> ultra-leftists in the eighties, about 15 years before Labour returned to
> power. So the internal fight within the Conservative party is likely to
> be quite spectacular.
Except that if he's in power he'll be able to do mush as he wants.
The Tory 'men in suits' will stand for him doing exactly what he wants
because he wins elections.
His problem is one of time.
He won't have enough of it to both run the country and reform his party,
and when it all 'comes on top' and the old problems of them grinding the
faces of the poor, being nasty to immigrants and especially Europe all come
along he'll just get voted out
John Briggs
Not always - I am reminded of the story of the Australian prisoners of war
having to unload a German cargo ship in Tokyo harbour. While they were doing
this, a German sailor came up on deck (with his towel) and proceeded to lie
down to sunbathe. The Japanese guard turned round, saw a blond figure lying
down, and gave him a kick. The German sailor stood up, picked up the
Japanese guard, and threw him into the harbour!
--
John Briggs
John Briggs
Eton is in Belgium? (Something to do with the Duchy of Burgundy - or was
that "Passport to Pimlico"?)
--
John Briggs
D. Spencer Hines
Pogue Surreyman can't even recognize a Real Brit when one pops up in front
of him -- one such as Boris Johnson.
Why is it we get all the scruffy, ragamuffin, blaggard little Left-Wing,
Mugwump and Slutty Brits here in AHB and nary a Real Brit of Style, Grace,
Education and Savoir Faire?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
D. Spencer Hines
Brit.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"a.spencer3" <a.spe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:FtgTj.9589$EH2....@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> I do have to add that he comes across a [sic] buffoon, but in his defence
>> he was Chairman [sic] of the Oxford Union and is an extremely
>> successful, if controversial, journalist. [Pogue Black]
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"a.spencer3" <a.spe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:FtgTj.9589$EH2....@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> I do have to add that he comes across a [sic] buffoon, but in his defence
>> he was Chairman [sic] of the Oxford Union and is an extremely
>> successful, if controversial, journalist. [Pogue Black]
>>
> And educated in Belgium, which is probably the most damning.
>
> Surreyman
> And his wife is, of course, half-Indian - add that to his children's
> equation!
>
> Surreyman
D. Spencer Hines
Our Ragamuffin Leftist Brit Brigade [RLBB] seems to be trying to pretend
Boris Johnson, a Tory, wasn't actually elected Mayor of London by a free
vote of The People -- beating their favorite -- Red Ken.
How Sweet It Is!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
John D Salt
[Snips]
> Why is it we get all the scruffy, ragamuffin, blaggard little
> Left-Wing, Mugwump and Slutty Brits here in AHB and nary a Real Brit
> of Style, Grace, Education and Savoir Faire?
"Style, grace, education and savoir-faire"?
You'd never actually heard of Boris Johnson before this election, had you?
All the best,
John.
John Dallman
> > ... So the internal fight within the Conservative party is likely to
> > be quite spectacular.
>
> Except that if he's in power he'll be able to do much as he wants.
>
> The Tory 'men in suits' will stand for him doing exactly what he
> wants because he wins elections.
I'm not sure they are that disciplined. Say, Tebbit starts saying he's
not a real conservative, and the Daily Mail joins in. Then Tory MPs find
that they are getting different signals from sources that normally say
much the same. It's mostly a question of the entertainment value of a
Cameron government; the Tory MPs are most unlikely to be fool enough to
let his government fall until they have had their heads in the trough a
few years.
> His problem is one of time.
>
> He won't have enough of it to both run the country and reform his
> party, and when it all 'comes on top' and the old problems of them
> grinding the faces of the poor, being nasty to immigrants and
> especially Europe all come along he'll just get voted out
Very likely indeed. Especially since reforming the party will have to be
done by stealth.
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>"He is of Turkish descent. His great-grandfather, Ali Kemal, a Turkish
>journalist, was briefly interior minister in the government of Ahmed Tevfik
>Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire. His grandfather Osman Ali
>settled in the UK in the 1920s and changed his name to Wilfred Johnson."
>
>-- BBC News
>
>If Ali Kemal married a Turkish woman and they were the parents of Boris
>Johnson's Turkish grandfather, Osman Ali, then Boris is perhaps ONE-QUARTER
>Turkish.
>
>If Boris's great-grandmother who married Ali Kemal and bore Osman Ali was
>NOT Turkish then Boris is perhaps ONE-EIGHTH Turkish.
>
>Although if Osman Ali married a Turkish WOMAN...Boris could possibly be
>ONE-HALF Turkish... <G>
Suppose you had a computer with an Internet connection and
possessed minimum skills in searching for information on your
own, instead of indulging in wild geneological speculations,
then you could have found the following at Wikipedia:
The woman Boris's great-grandfather married was Anglo-Swiss,
her maiden name being Winifred Brun (daughter of the
eponymous Margaret Johnson).
Therefore, Ali Kemal did not marry a Turkish woman, as
you idly speculate. Nor did Osman, Boris's English
paternal grandfather, marry a Turkish woman.
or do you think Irene Williams sounds Turkish?
>And so forth...
>
>Who is his MOTHER?
>
>What's HER background?
"Boris's mother, Charlotte, has an impeccable left-wing pedigree. Her
father, Sir James Fawcett, was a prominent barrister and a member of
the European Commission of Human Rights. The Fawcett Society, which
campaigns for equality for women, is named after a 19th-century
forebear, Millicent Garrett Fawcett, president of the National Union
of Women's Suffrage Societies and wife of the Radical MP Henry
Fawcett."
More at:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200803270025
James
La N
I find it creepy when Hines goes digging into people's backgrounds.
- nilita
John Briggs
I think you can be reassured that he does it incompetently.
--
John Briggs
Andrew Swallow
Many people in Britain think Boris Johnson is out of uniform - clowns
normaly wear big red noses and a flower that squirts water.
Andrew Swallow
William Black
> Hilarious!
>
> Pogue Surreyman can't even recognize a Real Brit when one pops up in front
> of him -- one such as Boris Johnson.
>
> Why is it we get all the scruffy, ragamuffin, blaggard little Left-Wing,
> Mugwump and Slutty Brits here in AHB and nary a Real Brit of Style, Grace,
> Education and Savoir Faire?
Boris!
Style!
Grace!
Savoir Faire!
Even Boris at his most self aggrandising wouldn't claim any of those.
Mind you, it'd give him a laugh...
William Black
> Hilarious!
>
> Our Ragamuffin Leftist Brit Brigade [RLBB] seems to be trying to pretend
> Boris Johnson, a Tory, wasn't actually elected Mayor of London by a free
> vote of The People -- beating their favorite -- Red Ken.
Oh I very much doubt that.
Boris won fair and square.
The only people bleating about the vote are you and the Nazi BNP.
Actually, you've a lot in common with them.
Like you they keep trying to pretend they're not racist bastards
Like you, it's particularly unconvincing...
William Black
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7OlTj.473$KB3.369@edtnps91...
No, what's scary is his claim to be the genealogist 'par excellence' and
his inability to access freely available information on the Internet.
Boris Johnson is a major public figure in the UK, he has several web pages
devoted to him and is the editor of one of the two major political
magazines.
He is not an obscure figure and his life is an open book.
That Hines, the great genealogist, can't find out who his mum was is
frightening.
William Black
> In article <fvkc57$b2h$1...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> willia...@hotmail.co.uk (William Black) wrote:
>> "John Dallman" <j...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > ... So the internal fight within the Conservative party is likely to
>> > be quite spectacular.
>>
>> Except that if he's in power he'll be able to do much as he wants.
>>
>> The Tory 'men in suits' will stand for him doing exactly what he
>> wants because he wins elections.
>
> I'm not sure they are that disciplined. Say, Tebbit starts saying he's
> not a real conservative, and the Daily Mail joins in. Then Tory MPs find
> that they are getting different signals from sources that normally say
> much the same. It's mostly a question of the entertainment value of a
> Cameron government; the Tory MPs are most unlikely to be fool enough to
> let his government fall until they have had their heads in the trough a
> few years.
Nope.
It's about power.
If Cameron wins elections, or even looks like winning them, they'll keep
him.
The nice thing about most Tories is that they'll sell anyone and anything in
their lust for power, including their grandmothers and any principles they
may once have had...
John Dallman
> Nope.
>
> It's about power.
>
> If Cameron wins elections, or even looks like winning them, they'll
> keep him.
>
> The nice thing about most Tories is that they'll sell anyone and
> anything in their lust for power, including their grandmothers and
> any principles they may once have had...
Well, barring miracles, we will find out in the autumn of 2010.
Explanatory note: UK general elections are held when the Prime Minister
wants them, but must be within five years of the last one - which was in
summer 2005. It looks unlikely, as of now, that the current PM will see
a good opportunity for an election before the cut-off date, so he'll
hold onto power for the full term - he has a large enough majority to do
that - and then loose the election. The UK House of Commons has about
640 members, and it is quite normal for 100+ seats to change hands at an
election: the advantages of incumbency, while real, are not as great as
in the US system.
James Hogg
wrote:
And carefully conceals his own, even though he thinks it is essential
for readers to know this kind of stuff in order to be able to judge
what a person writes.
Other people have provided some of this biographical information
about Hines, but the man himself usually refrains from commenting on
these revelations. I think all that we have about him from his own
posts is the claim that he was never a housing officer.
Oh yeah, and he recently bought a ploody Toyota Avalon.
James
James Hogg
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>That Hines, the great genealogist, can't find out who his mum was is
>frightening.
It would be frightening if he actually were a genealogist or ever had
anything to do with naval intelligence.
But for readers of these newsgroups who want their private lives to
remain private, it's immensely reassuring that his Internet skills are
restricted to finding pornographic pictures and right-wing columnists.
James
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>Hilarious!
>
>Our Ragamuffin Leftist Brit Brigade [RLBB] seems to be trying to pretend
>Boris Johnson, a Tory, wasn't actually elected Mayor of London by a free
>vote of The People -- beating their favorite -- Red Ken.
Have you got a cite for that astounding claim?
I've read the entire thread once again and can't find a single post
that comes even close to that description.
Is this another bait argument or are you really hallucinating?
James
Jim Watt
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>The nice thing about most Tories is that they'll sell anyone and anything in
>their lust for power, including their grandmothers and any principles they
>may once have had...
I think you are mixing them up with Peter Hain, and
Tony Blair. Except instead of selling them, they give
them a brown envelope marked HMSO.
When I joined the party nobody told be about grinding
the faces of the poor in the dirt, and all that good
stuff. What vivid imaginations you guys have.
Anyway when it comes it will be a landslide and by
2010 a change will be long overdue.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
Bryn
> "James Hogg" <Jas.Hogg...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6anp14d459q24g6a2...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 3 May 2008 21:52:45 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
> > <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your
> >>chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly elected Mayor of
> >>London,
> >>on the campaign trail in 2004
> >>-----------------------------------
>
> >>Capital!
>
> >>A Real Brit Indeed...
>
> >>Tory ---- Eton & Oxford.
>
> >>Member of the Bullington Club...
>
> >>However he is somewhat scruffy and overweight...
>
> >>Needs to lose 20 pounds and cut his hair...
>
> >>Plus -- Get A Better Tailor...
>
> > Another profound comment from the king of superficiality.
>
> One assumes we are talking about Boris?
>
> You know, the quarter Turkish, eighth Jewish old Etonian who was born in
> New York and a US citizen until a few years ago when he took British
> Citizenship.
>
> I somehow doubt that there is a better tailor than his...
>
> Chairman of the Oxford Union and is an extremely successful, if
> controversial, journalist.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
>
> - Show quoted text -
I understand he can still run for Prez...
Boris the Clown...
I love it....
Bryn
laughing his arse off....
D. Spencer Hines
Our Ragamuffin Leftist Brit Brigade [RLBB] seems to be trying to pretend
Boris Johnson, a Tory, wasn't actually elected Mayor of London by a free
vote of The People -- beating their favorite -- Red Ken....
So they are attempting to debunk, discredit, deface and strangle his nascent
administration in the crib by carrying out personal attacks on the man and
his background -- attacks sans a scintilla of substance.
How Sweet It Is!
Brit Politics is even funkier and more twisted than United States Politics.
William Black
"Bryn" <brianlo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:d61492d9-708c-4b16...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 3 May, 23:13, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> One assumes we are talking about Boris?
>
> You know, the quarter Turkish, eighth Jewish old Etonian who was born in
> New York and a US citizen until a few years ago when he took British
> Citizenship.
>
> I somehow doubt that there is a better tailor than his...
>
> I do have to add that he comes across a buffoon, but in his defence he was
> Chairman of the Oxford Union and is an extremely successful, if
> controversial, journalist.
>
>
I understand he can still run for Prez...
Boris the Clown...
I love it....
Bryn
laughing his arse off....
------------------------
I would pay good money to see it.
As he's out of the game for the next four years and almost certainly won't
stand next time he'll be about ready in 2016 when he'll be about 52.
It would be highly entertaining to see a real left wing Tory from the 'one
nation' wing of the party and with the sort of liberal credentials most
politicians can only dream of, run headlong into the US establishment.
D. Spencer Hines
Definitely a recipe for sterling Political Entertainment.
But totally implausible of course.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fvl0ub$rkl$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
D. Spencer Hines
Londoners yet NONE of them seems to have voted for Boris.
That just shows how far out of it our Left-Wing, Non-Representative Brits
here find themselves.
And Deceive Us...
That Is...
The More Gullible, Feckless & Callow Of Us.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
deem...@aol.com
> restricted to finding pornographic pictures and right-wing columnists.
>
> James
What's frightening is I read "and" as "of".
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>Hilarious!
>
>Our Ragamuffin Leftist Brit Brigade [RLBB] seems to be trying to pretend
>Boris Johnson, a Tory, wasn't actually elected Mayor of London by a free
>vote of The People -- beating their favorite -- Red Ken....
No, you nincompoop, you misunderstood once again. I asked for a cite.
I did not ask for a totally unnecessary repetition of your
preposterous claim.
Please try harder, and stop hiding in the long grass, avoiding the
issue.
James
James Hogg
Funny you should say that. I was tempted to write
"pornographic pictures and/of right-wing columnists"
but I thought it might be too much of a challenge to David's reading
comprehension skills.
James
William Black
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:UKnTj.534$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> Boris Running For POTUS...
>
> Definitely a recipe for sterling Political Entertainment.
>
> But totally implausible of course.
Why?
He meets the nationality requirement better than at least one of the current
candidates.
He's rich.
He can talk well.
He's very good on TV.
His only problem is that he's probably a bit too bright.
James Hogg
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
>news:UKnTj.534$v91....@eagle.america.net...
>> Boris Running For POTUS...
>>
>> Definitely a recipe for sterling Political Entertainment.
>>
>> But totally implausible of course.
>
>Why?
>
>He meets the nationality requirement better than at least one of the current
>candidates.
>
>He's rich.
>
>He can talk well.
>
>He's very good on TV.
>
>His only problem is that he's probably a bit too bright.
Another problem is that it's hard to envisage him ending every speech
with "God bless America", or thinking that abortion is a political
issue.
Boris's winning speech was very gracious and typically entertaining.
He said Livingstone had been "a very considerable public servant and a
very distinguished leader of this city... You shaped the office of the
mayor and you gave it national prominence."
He said that Livingstone had earned the thanks of Londoners "even if
they have a funny way of showing it today" and he said that he hoped
that the city would continue to benefit from Livingstone's
"transparent love of London".
James
William Black
> On Sun, 4 May 2008 21:51:45 +0100, "William Black"
> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
>>news:UKnTj.534$v91....@eagle.america.net...
>>> Boris Running For POTUS...
>>>
>>> Definitely a recipe for sterling Political Entertainment.
>>>
>>> But totally implausible of course.
>>
>>Why?
>>
>>He meets the nationality requirement better than at least one of the
>>current
>>candidates.
>>
>>He's rich.
>>
>>He can talk well.
>>
>>He's very good on TV.
>>
>>His only problem is that he's probably a bit too bright.
>
> Another problem is that it's hard to envisage him ending every speech
> with "God bless America", or thinking that abortion is a political
> issue.
In my opinion American political life needs some reality thrusting upon
them.
The one thing that nobody ever doubted about Boris is that he's very very
real...
The USA is drenched in hypocritical piety in its public life and needs a
good kick up the arse.
george
wrote:
snip
> His only problem is that he's probably a bit too bright.
And that's what pisses Hines the housing horfficer off.
D. Spencer Hines
Fairly?...
Sans Scandal?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fvl7kq$qs$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
D. Spencer Hines
today.
William Black
> How did he get rich?
>
> Fairly?...
>
> Sans Scandal?
For goodness sake, it's all on the net.
He's on TV a lot.
He writes books that sell well.
He's in huge demand as an after dinner speaker.
His family has shed loads of cash.
Renia
> "allan connochie" <connc...@noemail.com> wrote in message
> news:3sdTj.97730$h65....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>> "Billzz" <billzz...@starband.net> wrote in message
>> news:27751$481d16f6$9440b19b$86...@STARBAND.NET...
>>> "John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:xs7Tj.97417$h65....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...>>>>> news:6anp14d459q24g6a2...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 21:52:45 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
>>>>>> <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and
>>>>>>> increase your chances of owning a BMW M3." - Boris Johnson, newly
>>>>>>> elected Mayor of London,
>>>>>>> on the campaign trail in 2004
>>>>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Capital!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Real Brit Indeed...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tory ---- Eton & Oxford.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Member of the Bullington Club...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However he is somewhat scruffy and overweight...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Needs to lose 20 pounds and cut his hair...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus -- Get A Better Tailor...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another profound comment from the king of superficiality.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, the quarter Turkish, eighth Jewish old Etonian who was
>>>>> born in New York and a US citizen until a few years ago when he took
>>>>> British Citizenship.
>>>> about... (We've had this conversation before!)
>>>> --
>>>> John Briggs
>>> I am an eighth Turkish (that'd be the coffee) and another eighth Jewish
>>> (that'd be the lox and bagels) and another eighth Irish (that'd be the
>>> Guinness Stout) and another eighth Scots (that'd be the Cutty Sark - I
>>> have rough tastes) and another eighth Chinese (that'd be the Moo Goo Gai
>>> Pan) and another eighth Hawaiian (that'd be Captain Cook)
>> Ah but the Captain Cook bit would increase your Scottish eighth slightly
>> as he was half Scots :-) Confusing stuff indeed .
>>
>>
>> Allan
>
> Aye. Now I have to recalculate. This genealogy stuff gets very confusing.
Only if you're drinking all the stuff you're genetically-disposed towards.
D. Spencer Hines
La N
<deem...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:89ce6b77-a931-4e72...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
You were probably thinking of this:
http://www.dudehisattva.com/playboycoulter.jpg
La N
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
> news:jcqTj.537$v91....@eagle.america.net...
>> How did he get rich?
>>
>> Fairly?...
>>
>> Sans Scandal?
>
> For goodness sake, it's all on the net.
>
> He's on TV a lot.
>
> He writes books that sell well.
>
> He's in huge demand as an after dinner speaker.
>
> His family has shed loads of cash.
>
And it would probably creep him out to know that Hines is following him
around sniffing at his virtual drawers .....
Les Cargill
I am sure we could all stand to lose a few pounds, so... thanks
for that mental image.
--
Les Cargill