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Socrates said homosexual acts are disgraceful.
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They Voted To Molest Children
Apr 12, 2014, 5:47:33 PM4/12/14
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2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
Eugene Griessel
Apr 13, 2014, 5:42:00 AM4/13/14
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Op Sat, 12 Apr 2014 23:47:33 +0200 (CEST), "They Voted To Molest
Socrates also said that people who post inappropriate messages to
newsgroups (spamming) deserve to be dosed with hemlock.
Eugene L Griessel
Socrates also said that people who post inappropriate messages to
newsgroups (spamming) deserve to be dosed with hemlock.
Eugene L Griessel
george152
Apr 13, 2014, 4:25:33 PM4/13/14
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Dennis
Apr 20, 2014, 1:56:53 AM4/20/14
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They Voted To Molest Children wrote:
> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
??? Read Plato's "Symposium". Socrate's male lover Alcibiates shows at the
> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
end, and complains that his and Socrate's relationship was purely platonic
(seriously).
AIRC, though, Plato did ban homosexual relations in his final work, the
"Laws". Note though that Socrates does not appear at all in the "Laws".
Dennis
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Byker
Apr 20, 2014, 5:16:36 AM4/20/14
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"Dennis" <tsalagi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA3159A472FBDts...@130.133.4.11...
orator, and general. I first heard of him when I read a magazine article
entitled, "Alcibiades, the Phallus Smasher", which described his
party-animal life when he wasn't on a battlefied. Seems that the night
before he was to set off on a military campaign, he and his friends got
totally wasted and went around Athens smashing the genitals off of religious
statues, and when the Athenian elders saw the vandalism the next morning,
they called for his head, but by that time he'd already sailed off to fight
Sparta.
Here's a little something from "Badass of the Week":
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alcibiades was the biggest jerk to ever live in the Classical
Age. Born near Athens, Greece, Alcibiades earned a reputation growing up as
one of the most attractive men ever in history. I mean, you know that when
the local histories from your era make extra-special sure that they mention
how hot you are there's got to be something to it. As a result, naturally,
Alcibiades was getting laid more than Wilt Chamberlain in a New Jersey
bordello. Chicks (and dudes) pretty much threw themselves at him every time
he walked out the front door of his super-fly bachelor swinger's pad, and he
even hooked up with the legendary Greek philosopher Socrates; an
achievement that even the most archconservative gay-bashing bible thumper
has to concede is pretty damn impressive. Before Socrates swigged that shot
of hemlock, he actually wrote a couple works about how freaking hot
Alcibiades was, calling him pretty much the most attractive man ever to live
in all of history. Alcibiades made sure to dress the part of an eccentric
millionaire superstar as well: His golden shield was studded with diamonds
and jewels, and was pretty much the Ancient Greek equivalent of Lil Jon's
Pimp Chalice. He was pimpin' before it was pimpin'.
Alcibiades was pretty handy in battle, proving himself so well
at the Battle of Delium in 424 BCE that the Athenian Commander give his
daughter to Alcibiades in marriage. Alcibiades lived with her until she
died from cancer or something and then he continued to go about his wild
ways of hooking it up with Republic courtesans and such.
When the Peloponnesian War broke out between Athens and Sparta
Alcibiades was appointed commander of the Athenian Naval Forces. He was so
pumped up about being in charge of this campaign that the night before he
was going to ship out he got totally wasted and ran around downtown Athens
screaming and pulling the schlongs off of every statue in the town square.
When the Athenian government woke up the next morning and found a pantheon
of dong-less gods lining the streets, they issued an arrest warrant for
Alcibiades and stripped him of his command.
Alcibiades didn't give a crap though. He ditched the Athenian
Army and went over to Sparta, where he helped the Spartan king fortify the
town of Decelea since he knew there would be an Athenian attack there. The
King of Sparta did this and the Spartans won a tremendous victory over the
Athenians. Alcibiades was livin' large until the King found out that his
daughter had been impregnated out of wedlock by his newest General. Oops.
The Spartan King flipped out and Alcibiades had the good sense
to get the piss out of Dodge before he had his balls chopped off, so he fled
to Persia. Alcibiades lived in Persia for a while and befriended the
Sultan, but eventually defected back to Athens where he was received as a
hero. He fought with the Athenians as a lesser military officer until their
final defeat at Aegospotami in 405 BCE, when he then fled back to Persia.
Alcibiades tried to rally the Persians to attack the Spartans,
but by this point everyone had put up with enough of his crap. A bunch of
Spartans convinced the Persian Sultan that Alcibiades would hump his
daughter when he wasn't looking (which he would have), so Artaxerxes sent a
bunch of Persian warriors to attack Alcibiades while he was in the shower.
They set his house on fire while he was bathing, but he didn't even give a
crap. He grabbed his dagger and ran outside buck naked trying to stab
anyone that came near him. Eventually he was killed after he got nailed by
fifteen arrows.
Alcibiades was a badass because he was such a total douchebag to
everyone that supported him. He was a fierce warrior and also one of the
most attractive men of his era... not something that can be said about a
whole lot of people. He played the political games perfectly, led his
forces to military victory and spent the better part of his life getting
busy with anyone that would let him. In the end, that's pretty badass.
news:XnsA3159A472FBDts...@130.133.4.11...
> They Voted To Molest Children wrote:
>
>> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
>
> ??? Read Plato's "Symposium". Socrate's male lover Alcibiates shows at the
> end, and complains that his and Socrate's relationship was purely platonic
> (seriously).
I think you mean Alcibiades (450 BC - 404 BC), the Athenian statesman,
>
>> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
>
> ??? Read Plato's "Symposium". Socrate's male lover Alcibiates shows at the
> end, and complains that his and Socrate's relationship was purely platonic
> (seriously).
orator, and general. I first heard of him when I read a magazine article
entitled, "Alcibiades, the Phallus Smasher", which described his
party-animal life when he wasn't on a battlefied. Seems that the night
before he was to set off on a military campaign, he and his friends got
totally wasted and went around Athens smashing the genitals off of religious
statues, and when the Athenian elders saw the vandalism the next morning,
they called for his head, but by that time he'd already sailed off to fight
Sparta.
Here's a little something from "Badass of the Week":
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alcibiades was the biggest jerk to ever live in the Classical
Age. Born near Athens, Greece, Alcibiades earned a reputation growing up as
one of the most attractive men ever in history. I mean, you know that when
the local histories from your era make extra-special sure that they mention
how hot you are there's got to be something to it. As a result, naturally,
Alcibiades was getting laid more than Wilt Chamberlain in a New Jersey
bordello. Chicks (and dudes) pretty much threw themselves at him every time
he walked out the front door of his super-fly bachelor swinger's pad, and he
even hooked up with the legendary Greek philosopher Socrates; an
achievement that even the most archconservative gay-bashing bible thumper
has to concede is pretty damn impressive. Before Socrates swigged that shot
of hemlock, he actually wrote a couple works about how freaking hot
Alcibiades was, calling him pretty much the most attractive man ever to live
in all of history. Alcibiades made sure to dress the part of an eccentric
millionaire superstar as well: His golden shield was studded with diamonds
and jewels, and was pretty much the Ancient Greek equivalent of Lil Jon's
Pimp Chalice. He was pimpin' before it was pimpin'.
Alcibiades was pretty handy in battle, proving himself so well
at the Battle of Delium in 424 BCE that the Athenian Commander give his
daughter to Alcibiades in marriage. Alcibiades lived with her until she
died from cancer or something and then he continued to go about his wild
ways of hooking it up with Republic courtesans and such.
When the Peloponnesian War broke out between Athens and Sparta
Alcibiades was appointed commander of the Athenian Naval Forces. He was so
pumped up about being in charge of this campaign that the night before he
was going to ship out he got totally wasted and ran around downtown Athens
screaming and pulling the schlongs off of every statue in the town square.
When the Athenian government woke up the next morning and found a pantheon
of dong-less gods lining the streets, they issued an arrest warrant for
Alcibiades and stripped him of his command.
Alcibiades didn't give a crap though. He ditched the Athenian
Army and went over to Sparta, where he helped the Spartan king fortify the
town of Decelea since he knew there would be an Athenian attack there. The
King of Sparta did this and the Spartans won a tremendous victory over the
Athenians. Alcibiades was livin' large until the King found out that his
daughter had been impregnated out of wedlock by his newest General. Oops.
The Spartan King flipped out and Alcibiades had the good sense
to get the piss out of Dodge before he had his balls chopped off, so he fled
to Persia. Alcibiades lived in Persia for a while and befriended the
Sultan, but eventually defected back to Athens where he was received as a
hero. He fought with the Athenians as a lesser military officer until their
final defeat at Aegospotami in 405 BCE, when he then fled back to Persia.
Alcibiades tried to rally the Persians to attack the Spartans,
but by this point everyone had put up with enough of his crap. A bunch of
Spartans convinced the Persian Sultan that Alcibiades would hump his
daughter when he wasn't looking (which he would have), so Artaxerxes sent a
bunch of Persian warriors to attack Alcibiades while he was in the shower.
They set his house on fire while he was bathing, but he didn't even give a
crap. He grabbed his dagger and ran outside buck naked trying to stab
anyone that came near him. Eventually he was killed after he got nailed by
fifteen arrows.
Alcibiades was a badass because he was such a total douchebag to
everyone that supported him. He was a fierce warrior and also one of the
most attractive men of his era... not something that can be said about a
whole lot of people. He played the political games perfectly, led his
forces to military victory and spent the better part of his life getting
busy with anyone that would let him. In the end, that's pretty badass.
dott.Piergiorgio
Apr 20, 2014, 7:01:00 AM4/20/14
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Il 20/04/2014 07:56, Dennis ha scritto:
> They Voted To Molest Children wrote:
>
>> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
>
> ??? Read Plato's "Symposium". Socrate's male lover Alcibiates shows at the
> end, and complains that his and Socrate's relationship was purely platonic
> (seriously).
and some millennia later, the Holy See is seriously assessing platonic
> They Voted To Molest Children wrote:
>
>> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
>
> ??? Read Plato's "Symposium". Socrate's male lover Alcibiates shows at the
> end, and complains that his and Socrate's relationship was purely platonic
> (seriously).
same-sex relationship as exit strategy for their own mess on homosexuals...
(aside that seems that under the screens they're encouraging same-sex
relationship between priests and *adults* ...)
best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.
Keith Willshaw
Apr 21, 2014, 11:46:19 AM4/21/14
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On 20/04/2014 06:56, Dennis wrote:
> They Voted To Molest Children wrote:
>
>> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
>
> ??? Read Plato's "Symposium". Socrate's male lover Alcibiates shows at the
> end, and complains that his and Socrate's relationship was purely platonic
> (seriously).
>
The Symposium was allegoric rather than literal so it cannot reasonably
> They Voted To Molest Children wrote:
>
>> 2500 years later, he has been proven correct.
>
> ??? Read Plato's "Symposium". Socrate's male lover Alcibiates shows at the
> end, and complains that his and Socrate's relationship was purely platonic
> (seriously).
>
used as source material. It was as much about safeguarding the
reputation of Socrates. Alcibiades had led the disastrous expedition to
Sicily and then defected to Sparta so distancing him from Socrates was a
high priority for a devoted follower such as Plato.
> AIRC, though, Plato did ban homosexual relations in his final work, the
> "Laws". Note though that Socrates does not appear at all in the "Laws".
>
> Dennis
to modern liberal mores rather shocking. Homosexual relationships
between a man and boy were considered normal but such relationships
involving two adults were considered shameful. Men were expected to
marry and thus provide new citizens for the republic. two adult males
living together would not fulfill that duty.
Note also that while the Romans theoretically punished homosexuality
with death this did not prevent the use of slaves in such a way. Slaves
were not citizens and thus did not count.
Keith
Moramarth
Apr 21, 2014, 2:53:39 PM4/21/14
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On Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:16:36 AM UTC+1, Byker wrote:
> Alcibiades didn't give a crap though. He ditched the Athenian
>
> Army and went over to Sparta, where he helped the Spartan king fortify the
>
> town of Decelea since he knew there would be an Athenian attack there. The
>
> King of Sparta did this and the Spartans won a tremendous victory over the
>
> Athenians. Alcibiades was livin' large until the King found out that his
>
> daughter had been impregnated out of wedlock by his newest General. Oops.
>
Actually, it was King Agis wife, Timaea, he knocked up. ISTR it was actually a Spartan woman's duty to get herself with child if there was a particularly macho stud passing by (improving the warrior bloodline) and hubby was just supposed to take it on the chin, but probably this rule (like many others) didn't apply to either of the two Spartan royal families.
> Alcibiades didn't give a crap though. He ditched the Athenian
>
> Army and went over to Sparta, where he helped the Spartan king fortify the
>
> town of Decelea since he knew there would be an Athenian attack there. The
>
> King of Sparta did this and the Spartans won a tremendous victory over the
>
> Athenians. Alcibiades was livin' large until the King found out that his
>
> daughter had been impregnated out of wedlock by his newest General. Oops.
>
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