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Weatherlawyer

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Oct 6, 2012, 3:36:27 PM10/6/12
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Just having an argument with a Spanish speaker about the hymn Eternal
Father strong to save.

Is it only a well known ditty in certain countries?
I had the impression even heathens sang it when the weather got rough.

Andrew Chaplin

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Oct 6, 2012, 4:18:43 PM10/6/12
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Weatherlawyer <weathe...@gmail.com> wrote in news:a261caaa-72cc-4e93-
bc84-7d7...@z8g2000yql.googlegroups.com:
It's very WASP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Father,_Strong_to_Save.
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Andrew Chaplin
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Weatherlawyer

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Oct 6, 2012, 6:25:56 PM10/6/12
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On Oct 6, 9:18 pm, Andrew Chaplin <ab.chap...@yourfinger.rogers.com>
wrote:
> Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote in news:a261caaa-72cc-4e93-
> bc84-7d7d0b86e...@z8g2000yql.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Just having an argument with a Spanish speaker about the hymn Eternal
> > Father strong to save.
>
> > Is it only a well known ditty in certain countries?
> > I had the impression even heathens sang it when the weather got rough.
>
> It's very WASP:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Father,_Strong_to_Save.

Good grief if I was god and heard some of that crap I'd become an
heathen too. The first two verses were OK but he should have quit
while he was ahead.


dott.Piergiorgio

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Oct 7, 2012, 7:50:29 AM10/7/12
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Il 06/10/2012 22:18, Andrew Chaplin ha scritto:

>> Just having an argument with a Spanish speaker about the hymn Eternal
>> Father strong to save.
>>
>> Is it only a well known ditty in certain countries?
>> I had the impression even heathens sang it when the weather got rough.
>
> It's very WASP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Father,_Strong_to_Save.

I (a Latin!) strongly disagree.

The original 1860 Anglican version is definitively Christian, not WASP,
and aconfessional (save perhaps for the few Nestorians...) and the
"triservice" 1940 version has nothing whose refer to specific countries,
and also I point to a fine detail of the US Naval general variant:

"And all who for their country stand"

whose is encompassing friends and foes...

I start to suspect that WL's interlocutor is a bit bigot, or with a
spray of "Latin salt", has issues with R. Yehoshua's witticism about
eyes, motes and beams ;)

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.




Andrew Chaplin

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Oct 7, 2012, 9:03:59 AM10/7/12
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"dott.Piergiorgio" <chied...@ask.me> wrote in
news:90ecs.214513$GZ3....@tornado.fastwebnet.it:

> Il 06/10/2012 22:18, Andrew Chaplin ha scritto:
>
>> It's very WASP:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Father,_Strong_to_Save.
>
> I (a Latin!) strongly disagree.

You can disagree all you like, dottore, but Anglicanism is, in essence,
Anglo-Saxon, Protestant and predominantly white, and the origin of the
hymn is in that culture.

> The original 1860 Anglican version is definitively Christian, not WASP,
> and aconfessional (save perhaps for the few Nestorians...) and the
> "triservice" 1940 version has nothing [that refers] to specific
> countries, and also I point to a fine detail of the US Naval general
> variant:

(Which was unknown to me until I read the Wikipedia article. I only knew
of the version in the Book of Common Praise.)

> "And all who for their country stand"
>
> [Which encompasses] friends and foes...
>
> I start to suspect that WL's interlocutor is a bit bigot, or with a
> spray of "Latin salt", has issues with R. Yehoshua's witticism about
> eyes, motes and beams ;)

That's quite plausible.
--
Andrew Chaplin
The only good Anglican is a bad Anglican
"We be not worthy so much as to gather up the crumbs from under thy
Table."
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