Freemen, Fighting For The Blessings Of Liberty For Ourselves & Others
D. Spencer Hines
this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember
officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the
blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and
that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
-- George Washington (General Orders, 23 August 1776)
Reference: Maxims of George Washington, Schroeder, ed. (86)
John Briggs
A bit tactless to mention slavery, don't you think?
--
John Briggs
William Black
"John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I'm still wondering exactly what liberties they were fighting for.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Raymond O'Hara
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>
> "John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>> "The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of
>>> this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember
>>> officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the
>>> blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and
>>> that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
>>>
>>> -- George Washington (General Orders, 23 August 1776)
>>>
>>> Reference: Maxims of George Washington, Schroeder, ed. (86)
>>
>> A bit tactless to mention slavery, don't you think?
>
> I'm still wondering exactly what liberties they were fighting for.
>
>
the liberty to get rid of the limeys and to be masters in out own land.
we didn't need no stinkin royal governors forced on us, nor mercantilism.
if the u.s. had remained under the english thumb we'd be a third (4th?} rate
power like the rest of the commonwealth nations are today.
William Black
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Right.
Just words and some cash...
Nothing actually worth dying for...
Vincent
Instead they fought for the right to reduce others to slavery
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several
States which may be included within this Union, according to their
respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole
Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of
Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
At best
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws
thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or
Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall
be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may
be due.
Vince
Vincent
That is autonomy, not liberty
Vince
D. Spencer Hines
Pogue Brannigan
--------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------------------
[Referring to General George Washington and his Army.]
Pogue Brannigan is a charter member of the:
Blame America First Crowd...
Like Many Academics.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Vincent" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
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> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>> "The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of
>> this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember
>> officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the
>> blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and
>> that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
>>
>> -- George Washington (General Orders, 23 August 1776)
>>
>> Reference: Maxims of George Washington, Schroeder, ed. (86)
>>
> Instead they fought for the right to reduce others to slavery.
Vincent
>> Instead they fought for the right to reduce others to slavery.
>
> Pogue Brannigan
>
> --------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------------------
>
> [Referring to General George Washington and his Army.]
>
> Pogue Brannigan is a charter member of the:
>
> Blame America First Crowd...
>
> Like Many Academics.
Hines cut the citations to the US Constitution
clearly a selective memory
Vince
Jack Linthicum
There were "Free men of Color" who fought with Jackson in New Orleans.
They were responsible for much of the mixture that is New Orleans
culture, blacks, French etc.
http://www.frenchquarter.com/history/freepeople.php
Jean-Louis Dolliole, 19th century builder and community leader, was
the son of a Provencal Frenchman and Genevieve Laronde, a mother of
African heritage. As a French-speaking free person of color or homme
de couleur libre, Dolliole played an important role in developing and
maintaining the culture and traditions of New Orleans. Serving also as
testamentary executor, legal tutor or sponsor for friends and
relatives, he helped to maintain the family lives and stature of the
free black community. Best known as a talented builder along with his
brother Joseph, Dolliole applied his skills to the creation of homes
built and framed in the "French-style." Using local materials like
orange-red country brick and wood of cypress or pine, he drew largely
on French building methods such as the triangular roof truss, half-
timber construction, and the use of shingle, slate, or hook tile
roofing or over lathing strips to fashion rooflines. Dolliole's home
in the French Quarter at 933 St. Philip represents the best of
vernacular architecture. Built in 1805 and owned by Dolliole for a
half century, it was rescued from near ruin by a skilled local
architect and his wife, an historian and educator. And steps from
Esplanade, Dolliole's masterpiece at 1440 Bourbon stands on an
irregular lot that reflects the crazy-quilt angles of the Faubourg
Marigny. Here in 1819, Dolliole assembled the haunting lines of a
softly-colored plastered brick cottage with a kaleidoscopic, double-
pitched hipped roof of enduring flat tiles. To this day, the house is
one of the most picturesque in the city.
Jean-Louis Dolliole was one of thousands of free people of color whose
legacies survive in neighborhoods, church life, business, politics,
music, writing and Francophone culture. Their records abound in local
archives, dating from the 18th century until the Civil War and later.
Among important builders were Pablo Cheval, Paul Mandeville, Bazile
Dédé, August Philippe, Francois Darby, Charles Dupard, Manuel Moreau,
Francois Boisdoré, Louis Barthelemy Rey, the Dollioles, Toby
Dominique, Mytille Courcelle, Francois Fils, Florville Foy, Pierre
Rillieux, and Joseph Chateau.
Joseph Chateau was one of the most prolific free black builders of the
ante bellum period. His work has significance in a number of areas.
New Orleans notaries of the 1840s recorded seventeen contracts
documenting his building activities. Chateau's stock-in-trade was the
Creole cottage with a façade that was scored or floché to resemble
stone, with decorative, red-hued painting. He also worked in other
genres, building townhouses, renovating a store on Chartres St., and
making innovations to the vernacular cottage. He responded creatively
to his clients’ needs, such as getting a workable house built on a
extra narrow lot, creating attractive rental property, tweaking space
and a deeper footprint out of the traditional gable-sided cottage, and
keeping up with fashion trends while preserving tradition. Chateau
could also do drafting. While less than one per cent of building
contracts have plans attached, over half of his have drawings, mainly
floor plans that he executed with sophistication, and several with
elevations.
Another profession, one called "merchant tailor," was a niche and
springboard for free men of color. Importing luxurious ells of silk,
linen and Belgian Limbourg cloths, they fashioned high-style frock
coats, cravats, vests, and pants for fastidious gentlemen, maintaining
well-appointed storefronts with numerous employees. Several turned
their profits into real estate investments. While still in their
thirties Chartres Street merchant tailors Julien Colvis and Joseph
Dumas owned 5 houses in the French Quarter, 21 in Tremé, 3 in the
Marigny, 11 in the St. Mary Faubourg, and one in the town of
Mandeville. On the same street, tailors Etienne Cordeviolle and Julien
and Francois Lacroix amassed a fortune, and citywide holdings. Bourbon
St. tailor Louis Barthelemy Rey formed a partnership with the land
developer Victoria Lecesne. Victoria was wife of a man named Chazal
Thomas, but identified her separate property in business dealings. It
was not uncommon for free women of color to engage in business or
build their own homes. Francoise Fusillé, Marie Laveau, Modest
Foucher, Madeline Oger, Charlotte Morand, Rosette Rochon, Eulalie
Mandeville, and Helene Toussaint, were among the many who records show
built homes or engaged in business.
Today the spiritual heirs of the likes of Jean-Louis Dolliole, and
Joseph Chateau celebrate their accomplishments. The old French names
live on in their communities. Their legacy lives in the city's fabric.
Raymond O'Hara
>
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:g8cgiq$55g$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e9jqk.99728$7f3....@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>>>> "The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of
>>>>> this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember
>>>>> officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the
>>>>> blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and
>>>>> that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
>>>>>
>>>>> -- George Washington (General Orders, 23 August 1776)
>>>>>
>>>>> Reference: Maxims of George Washington, Schroeder, ed. (86)
>>>>
>>>> A bit tactless to mention slavery, don't you think?
>>>
>>> I'm still wondering exactly what liberties they were fighting for.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> the liberty to get rid of the limeys and to be masters in out own land.
>> we didn't need no stinkin royal governors forced on us, nor mercantilism.
>> if the u.s. had remained under the english thumb we'd be a third (4th?}
>> rate power like the rest of the commonwealth nations are today.
>
> Right.
>
> Just words and some cash...
>
> Nothing actually worth dying for...
>
something very worth dying for and killing for too.
America would be a third world continent today with a much larger but still
dysfunctional mexico and probably a very poor indian state or states.
by getting rid of england we got rid of the proprietor families that owned
most of the land, maybe you are understand the great social revolution that
was
but trust me it was huge. farmers went from tennants to owners, and masses
of europeans were able to escape that backwards land and create a new place
with the best ideas europe had to offer but not bound by the old social
constraints.
Raymond O'Hara
it was both. its sad you can't judge those times and the social advance the
american revolution created by those times.
no america didn't become instantly a perfect paradise, it still isn't and
never will be. but it is still a damn sight better than other places.
rich people live well anywhere but regular folks live well here.
Raymond O'Hara
> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>> "The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of
>> this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember
>> officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the
>> blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and
>> that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
>>
>> -- George Washington (General Orders, 23 August 1776)
>>
>> Reference: Maxims of George Washington, Schroeder, ed. (86)
>>
>
> Instead they fought for the right to reduce others to slavery
>
actually vince there already were slaves.
slavery started in 1619 when england was still in control.
>
>
> Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several
> States which may be included within this Union, according to their
> respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole
> Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of
> Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
>
>
> At best
>
> No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof,
> escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation
> therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered
> up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.
>
>
> Vince
and slavery wasn't legal everywhere and it was ended.
like blackguard you lack any perspective.
slvery was pretty much legal everywhere in those days.
england still had its slaves in the west indies and what were the india
indians but slaves,
the U.S. was an improvement over its contemporaries.
William Black
It is sad that you don't seem to realise that the American revolutionaries
were fully aware of the Putney Debates and 'The Agreement of the People' and
knew exactly what 'Liberty' was.
William Black
we got rid of the proprietor families that owned
> most of the land, maybe you are understand the great social revolution
> that was
Advancement by theft...
Vincent
Nothing like stealing the land from the natives to kick start the economy
But to be proud of it?
Vince
Vincent
and law regarding nation on Earth so that they could reap the benefits.
no problem but don't sugar coat it
as to the rest Better define rich and regular
In my experience as a dual national the "rich" e.g. the top 10 percent
are much richer in the USA than Germany or the UK. The next 50 percent
live similar lives in both places. The bottom 40 percent are poorer in
the USA and the bottom 20 percent of the USA has a poverty that is
unimaginable to most Europeans
Vince
Renia
> "John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:e9jqk.99728$7f3....@newsfe23.ams2...
>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>> "The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of
>>> this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember
>>> officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the
>>> blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and
>>> that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
>>>
>>> -- George Washington (General Orders, 23 August 1776)
>>>
>>> Reference: Maxims of George Washington, Schroeder, ed. (86)
>> A bit tactless to mention slavery, don't you think?
>
> I'm still wondering exactly what liberties they were fighting for.
Money.
Renia
New social constraints were invented.
The American Dream. It really is a dream, isn't it?
Renia
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> we got rid of the proprietor families that owned
>> most of the land, maybe you are understand the great social revolution
>> that was
>
> Advancement by theft...
And a spot of ethnic cleansing.
Renia
Only because the rich people think the regular folk live well. Try
asking the regular folk, or the poorer folk themselves.
D. Spencer Hines
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Raymond O'Hara
>
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_ZKdnQ9Ek4GafDTV...@rcn.net...
>
> we got rid of the proprietor families that owned
>> most of the land, maybe you are understand the great social revolution
>> that was
>
> Advancement by theft...
>
it was england that started the theivery.
and what was all that colonialism in places like india and oz and africa and
ireland but "theft"
hell you stole canada twice, from the french and the indians.
Raymond O'Hara
>
> Nothing like stealing the land from the natives to kick start the economy
>
> But to be proud of it?
>
> Vince
our ancestors had it happen to them too vince.
its the way of the world,
western civilization wasn't created in western europe it is something that
happened to it.
well it happened to the indians here too.
the stone age is long over, one gets with the program or gets crushed.
Raymond O'Hara
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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better than what you have.
Raymond O'Hara
> It is sad that you don't seem to realise that the American revolutionaries
> were fully aware of the Putney Debates and 'The Agreement of the People'
> and knew exactly what 'Liberty' was.
>
right, why weren't we happy to bow and scrape to our betters, to say "yes
mi'lord"
and bask in the glory of cromwell's "protectorate" and what do you call the
restoration.
no thank you, we are better off without you.
maybe you should use successful attempts as examples rather than ideas that
failed and which were never applied to anybody.
Renia
Not to us, it isn't.
Renia
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:g8coeg$4fh$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> It is sad that you don't seem to realise that the American revolutionaries
>> were fully aware of the Putney Debates and 'The Agreement of the People'
>> and knew exactly what 'Liberty' was.
>>
>
> right, why weren't we happy to bow and scrape to our betters, to say "yes
> mi'lord"
Because you wanted to create a different set of "betters" to scrape to.
Raymond O'Hara
>>>
>>> Vince
>>
>>
>> it was both. its sad you can't judge those times and the social advance
>> the american revolution created by those times.
>> no america didn't become instantly a perfect paradise, it still isn't and
>> never will be. but it is still a damn sight better than other places.
>> rich people live well anywhere but regular folks live well here.
>>
>>
> however they were fighting against what was arguably the most "liberal"
> and law regarding nation on Earth so that they could reap the benefits.
>
"the most liberal at the time"
talk about damning with faint praise.,
> no problem but don't sugar coat it
>
damn why weren't they perfect. they didn't solve all the worlds problems so
it was a total failure ?
if you were back then would you have been arguing for the big land owners
like the penns and oglethorpes?
would you have told the people, "hey you're better off than the serfs in
russia and the peasants in germany?
> as to the rest Better define rich and regular
>
> In my experience as a dual national the "rich" e.g. the top 10 percent are
> much richer in the USA than Germany or the UK. The next 50 percent live
> similar lives in both places. The bottom 40 percent are poorer in the USA
> and the bottom 20 percent of the USA has a poverty that is unimaginable to
> most Europeans
you mean those extra stifling socialistic euro states where people are
getting tired of carrying a growing underclass?
even sweden that socialist paradise is getting tired of its systm
belgium is on the verge of splitting because the "neds" of flanders are
tired of carrying the "homers" of wallonia.
or england and france where they can't seem to assimilate a growing influx
of third worlders?
everybody complains about "hispanics here" but once they lose the spanish
accent they just become regular folks.
dual national.
you can't serve two masters, pck one and live with it{hopefully the other}
Raymond O'Hara
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
.
>>>
>>> The American Dream. It really is a dream, isn't it?
>>
>>
>> better than what you have.
>
> Not to us, it isn't.
then explain why so many of you keep moving here to join us?
Raymond O'Hara
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
anybody can be a better here, one is not born into it.
Raymond O'Hara
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
i don't need to ask regular folks , i am one, a postal worker for 25 years,
my grandfather drove a truck for the town{and the army in WWI} my father
worked at the Boston Navy yard, my brother is a retired auto mechanic and my
sisters are a postal clerk and a legal secretary respectively.
Raymond O'Hara
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
>>
>> I'm still wondering exactly what liberties they were fighting for.
>
> Money.
there own money.
Les Cargill
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_ZKdnQ9Ek4GafDTV...@rcn.net...
>
> we got rid of the proprietor families that owned
>> most of the land, maybe you are understand the great social revolution
>> that was
>
> Advancement by theft...
>
If self-ownership is theft...
It's only been 232 years. You should be over it by now....
Also in 1776, a book was published by one Adam Smith, explaining
why colonies, all colonies are an economic disaster for the
colonizers....
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
Those "betters" scrape mainly to the rank and file, either
by making stuff* to sell to 'em or by being voted
for by 'em.
*inclusive of "stuff" is services...
--
Les Cargill
D. Spencer Hines
Raymond O'Hara
----------------------------------------
Quite True...
Look at Senator Barack Hussein Obama.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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D. Spencer Hines
Even a shyster lawyer should understand that.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Vincent" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines
Hilarious!
And Renia has moved to Greece.
She tells us she and her husband were not happy with MANY things in
Britain -- so it was not JUST that his job moved to Athens and he had to
move with it.
She was HAPPY to move -- and her sons, who couldn't afford to buy homes --
could live in their home in Hove.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
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J A
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>> Instead they fought for the right to reduce others to slavery.
>
> Pogue Brannigan
>
> --------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------------------
>
> [Referring to General George Washington and his Army.]
>
> Pogue Brannigan is a charter member of the:
>
> Blame America First Crowd...
>
> Like Many Academics.
The most brutal, lethal, widespread form of slavery ever practiced, was by
their cherished Soviet Union.
And to add insipidness to huge injury, many of the slave labor projects were
misdesigned, misplanned and useless.
Fred J. McCall
:
:Just words and some cash...
:
:Nothing actually worth dying for...
So just what was it that all those British boys died for, again?
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
Raymond O'Hara
"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> :
> :Just words and some cash...
> :
> :Nothing actually worth dying for...
> :
>
> So just what was it that all those British boys died for, again?
>
well at the graves of the unkown redcoats {3}at the North River Bridge in
Concord Massachusetts
it gives this reason.
"They came three thousand miles and died,
to keep the past upon its throne:
Unheard, beyond the ocean tide,
their English Mother made her moan."
they were buried where they fell on
April 19, 1775 .
.in 1975 at the Peoples Bicentennial I watched the Queen of England lay a
wreath there.
Raymond O'Hara
>> anybody can be a better here, one is not born into it.
>
> Raymond O'Hara
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Quite True...
>
> Look at Senator Barack Hussein Obama.
> --
like clinton he is a self made man who came from as low on the social scale
as possiible
it is disgusting how republicans try to bring him down.
Raymond O'Hara
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it pales next to what mao did.
William Black
> :
> :Just words and some cash...
> :
> :Nothing actually worth dying for...
> :
>
> So just what was it that all those British boys died for, again?
Their pay.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Peter Skelton
That would be something of a shock to the Bush's, Kennedys,
DuPonts and so on.
Peter Skelton
Andrew Swallow
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> we got rid of the proprietor families that owned
>> most of the land, maybe you are understand the great social revolution
>> that was
>
>
You did not think revolutions were about honesty did you?
Andrew Swallow
Renia
> "Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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>>>> The American Dream. It really is a dream, isn't it?
>>>
>>> better than what you have.
>> Not to us, it isn't.
>
> then explain why so many of you keep moving here to join us?
Brits move all over the world. It's a nation of explorers. They don't
only go to the States.
Renia
Same in the UK.
Renia
And as much of it as possible.
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:> :
:> :Just words and some cash...
:> :
:> :Nothing actually worth dying for...
:> :
:>
:> So just what was it that all those British boys died for, again?
:
:Their pay.
:
So they didn't even get 'just words'; only 'some cash'?
Nothing actually worth dying for, to quote that great sage, Wee
Willie, so what did they die for, again?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Peter Skelton
<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>:
>:"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>:news:t9mka45l4o4kfc265...@4ax.com...
>:> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>:> :
>:> :Just words and some cash...
>:> :
>:> :Nothing actually worth dying for...
>:> :
>:>
>:> So just what was it that all those British boys died for, again?
>:
>:Their pay.
>:
>
>So they didn't even get 'just words'; only 'some cash'?
>
>Nothing actually worth dying for, to quote that great sage, Wee
>Willie, so what did they die for, again?
The great leader said "Go finght this unwinnable, unnecessary war
whose results will almost certainly be undesirable". And they
went. Sound familliar?
Peter Skelton
D. Spencer Hines
The secret dream of many Brits is to come to America.
Even Christopher Hitchens, who used to pretend to despise us, when he was in
his Communist Period, admits that Primordial Truth.
--
DSH
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Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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Carl Alex Friis Nielsen
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> The secret dream of many Brits is to come to America.
Actually its pretty easy for Brits to go to the US, so why should it be just
a dream ?
They don't need a VISA, travel is cheap and the US dollar is cheap.
Carl Alex Friis Nielsen
Love me ! Take me as I think I am
erilar
headers to the group you're in. I've cut mine OUT to point this out to
the rest of you.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
Renia
> Hilarious!
>
> The secret dream of many Brits is to come to America.
Brits love to go to America on holiday but not necessarily to settle there.
tankfixer
willia...@hotmail.co.uk says...
>
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_ZKdnQ9Ek4GafDTV...@rcn.net...
>
> we got rid of the proprietor families that owned
> > most of the land, maybe you are understand the great social revolution
> > that was
>
> Advancement by theft...
Sore looser
--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.
tankfixer
> Raymond O'Hara wrote:
> > "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:g8cheb$fvk$1...@registered.motzarella.org...> >> news:eM-dnSTYTbAUWzTV...@rcn.net...
> >>>> "John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:e9jqk.99728$7f3....@newsfe23.ams2...
> >>>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> >>>>>> "The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of
> >>>>>> this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember
> >>>>>> officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the
> >>>>>> blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and
> >>>>>> that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- George Washington (General Orders, 23 August 1776)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reference: Maxims of George Washington, Schroeder, ed. (86)
> >>>>> A bit tactless to mention slavery, don't you think?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> we didn't need no stinkin royal governors forced on us, nor mercantilism.
> >>> if the u.s. had remained under the english thumb we'd be a third (4th?}
> >>> rate power like the rest of the commonwealth nations are today.
> >>
> >> Just words and some cash...
> >>
> >> Nothing actually worth dying for...
> >>
> >
> > America would be a third world continent today with a much larger but still
> > dysfunctional mexico and probably a very poor indian state or states.
> > was
> > of europeans were able to escape that backwards land and create a new place
> > with the best ideas europe had to offer but not bound by the old social
> > constraints.
> >
> >
>
> Nothing like stealing the land from the natives to kick start the economy
Take it up with the English/Dutch/French/Spanish
>
> But to be proud of it?
If the idea bothers you that much you don't need to stay.
tankfixer
skel...@cogeco.ca says...
Yeah, somebody better tell Bill Gates and Steven Jobs.
D. Spencer Hines
They see many more financial, economic, cultural and political opportunities
here in America -- a truly Meritocratic Society.
I know over 150 of them here in Hawai'i and Kalifornia.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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tankfixer
dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
> If you must reply to cross-posting idiots, you could at least trim the
> headers to the group you're in. I've cut mine OUT to point this out to
> the rest of you.
being whiney only makes you look silly.
tankfixer
oh...@hotmail.com says...
What is disgusting is he did it to himself.
Renia
> Thousands of Brits HAVE decided to stay here.
>
> They see many more financial, economic, cultural and political opportunities
> here in America -- a truly Meritocratic Society.
>
> I know over 150 of them here in Hawai'i and Kalifornia.
Sure, A Place in The Sun. Retirees, mostly, I'll warrant.
I'm not going to comment on Kalifornia.
D. Spencer Hines
Many of them are still active in business.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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Billzz
Well, I have a minute. I was the US rep. to the Australian, British,
Canadian, and American (ABCA) treaty organization, and know a lot of
English-speaking peoples. In addition I worked for Rockwell, which had both
contracts with, and hired British talent. In a lot of cases, when the
contract ended, the whole family elected to stay (and in Dallas!) I was
told they loved the sunshine, they loved the wide-open spaces, they loved
Tex-Mex! Gadzooks! Another person had to leave engineering, found a place
automating a branch, then he became the branch manager of what?? American
Express! Gadzookers again. I met researchers at the University of Texas
(may have been Dallas I've forgotten) who had the same experience. Came for
a project, never wanted to leave. My son, the actor, lived in LA, said
there are a lot of stealth Brits in the industry. But he worked with Mel
Gibson on a movie (said that Mel was the nicest, kindest person you would
want to meet, and patient with everybody) but I told my son that all those
people may have been Aussies - he would have not known the dif. Now we live
in the Sierra Nevada range, close to Lake Tahoe, and the brewery, down in
Camino, is named the Jack Russell Brewing Company, and they fly the Union
Jack, because the brewer, and most of the help are from - guess where?
Okay, you already know. He brews India Pale Ale, and has to explain to
everyone why they just have to make the alcoholic content high - because
they may have to ship it to India! Well it makes a good story. Down at the
Sequoia restaurant, in Placerville, the lady who greets us has a familiar
accent, because she is from the same town in England as the Nut Brown Ale,
but I can't remember the name. I want to say Nottingham, but that's not it.
I remember Nottingham because my singing group sang at the Annual Butterfly
Festival (called The Butterfly in Sherwood Forest) and backed up a troupe
that sang the stage show, "Heart of a Lion," about - well you can imagine -
and they spoke very good English - much nicer than we expect in the
foothills of the Sierra Nevada. So they are here. All around us here in
the mountains. Even the lady who sells the wedding dresses, and her friend
next door, selling antiques. We have a veritable hotbed of Brits where we
are, and we are most fortunate. Don't tell anyone!
La N
"Billzz" <billzz...@starband.net> wrote in message
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The Brits are the pale ones who walk around Florida in the winter.
- nilita
J A
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't know that it "pales".
Also, we're talking about slavery, whereas the Chairman instituted certain
agricultural and industrial plans that cripled their production and casued
many millions to die. Then, of course, he unleashed the brainwashed youth
on real and imagined "anti-revolutionaries"..
I'm not sure they had slave labor camps like the Soviets did - maybe they
hadn't reached that advanced a stage.
Although, the N Koreans have,,, anybody know of Chinese slave labor camps?
Billzz
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Umm. Not exactly. The Brits that we know, in Texas, and California, are
not tourists, and are not going back, and have nicely tanned complexions. I
didn't say anything about Florida, did I? I've been there, and no one walks
around Florida. I assume you mean Miami. That is very dangerous.
D. Spencer Hines
You know YOU want to live in the United States too.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Billzz" <billzz...@starband.net> wrote in message
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> "Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
John Briggs
William Henry Gates III (recte IV)?
--
John Briggs
Jack Linthicum
> "Billzz" <billzzstr...@starband.net> wrote in message
My neighbor two doors down is from Plymouth, works or worked at a
local aerospace operation. I got interviewed by one of those four foot
tall sergeants in weird civilian clothes because Mrs Moriss, also
English, was up for a sensitive job.
Space Coast is filled with Eurps of all designs.
Peter Skelton
You don't know much about Gates background do you? One could make
a case for Jobs coming for a humble background (it is less
advanced that Gates, his dad could probably not have protected
him from the consequences of Gates act with CDC, for example) but
not after he was adopted.
Peter Skelton
La N
I've been to Florida a few times. The people who live in Florida say they
can pick out the Brit tourists a mile away - they rarely get a tan. Lots of
tourists go to Florida, particularly Orlando - Disney World.
- nilita
La N
>
> "Billzz" <billzz...@starband.net> wrote in message
> news:15cc1$48abbaeb$9440b19b$23...@STARBAND.NET...
>>
>> California, are not tourists, and are not going back, and have nicely
>> tanned complexions. I didn't say anything about Florida, did I? I've
>> been there, and no one walks around Florida. I assume you mean Miami.
>> That is very dangerous.
>>
>
> I've been to Florida a few times. The people who live in Florida say they
> can pick out the Brit tourists a mile away - they rarely get a tan. Lots
> of tourists go to Florida, particularly Orlando - Disney World.
>
btw, I'd rather live in So Cal than Florida. In the winters anyway ... ;)
- nilita, who otherwise quite likes Canada
Carl Alex Friis Nielsen
> here in America -- a truly Meritocratic Society.
The US Meritocratic ?
HAH !
Money talks - merit walks.
tankfixer
@ntlworld.com says...
Is it your contention he got his piles of money because he has a "III"
behind his name ?
tankfixer
skel...@cogeco.ca says...
He came from one of the old money families ?
Last time I checked he made his piles of money on his own.
Jack Linthicum
> In article <45vna4lhffpdcnqg7v9ubndfhm940r0...@4ax.com>,
> skelt...@cogeco.ca says...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:39:56 -0700, tankfixer
>
> > >In article <qvcla45o76hqp4potd6de8r92huj9ul...@4ax.com>,
> > >skelt...@cogeco.ca says...
> > >> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:37:20 -0400, "Raymond O'Hara"
> > >> <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
> > >> >news:K5KdnVPjY6ULtTfV...@giganews.com...
> > >> >> Raymond O'Hara wrote:
> > >> >>>news:g8coeg$4fh$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> > >> >>>> It is sad that you don't seem to realise that the American
> > >> >>>> revolutionaries were fully aware of the Putney Debates and 'The
> > >> >>>> Agreement of the People' and knew exactly what 'Liberty' was.
>
> > >> >>> right, why weren't we happy to bow and scrape to our betters, to say "yes
> > >> >>> mi'lord"
>
> > >> >> Because you wanted to create a different set of "betters" to scrape to.
>
> > >> >anybody can be a better here, one is not born into it.
>
> > >> That would be something of a shock to the Bush's, Kennedys,
> > >> DuPonts and so on.
>
> > >Yeah, somebody better tell Bill Gates and Steven Jobs.
>
> > You don't know much about Gates background do you? One could make
> > a case for Jobs coming for a humble background (it is less
> > advanced that Gates, his dad could probably not have protected
> > him from the consequences of Gates act with CDC, for example) but
> > not after he was adopted.
>
> He came from one of the old money families ?
>
> Last time I checked he made his piles of money on his own.
>
> --
> Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
> Goode with Ketchup.
Yes, there are others who make their money the old fashioned way, they
borrow it from their parents. I seem to remember several others, like
Clint Murchison and other sons of oilianaires who "borrow" a million
or so and pretty soon its real money.
Peter Skelton
<paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote:
I did not say that, did I?
>Last time I checked he made his piles of money on his own.
He has certainly made big piles of money. His dad had sufficient
piles of money, was a significant player in the legal system and
protected him from nasty consequences.
Peter Skelton
tankfixer
skel...@cogeco.ca says...
So why imply he did ?
> >Last time I checked he made his piles of money on his own.
>
> He has certainly made big piles of money. His dad had sufficient
> piles of money, was a significant player in the legal system and
> protected him from nasty consequences.
Suposition on your part.
dapra
> In article <COWdnYg9urAT9jfV...@rcn.net>, raymond-
> oh...@hotmail.com says...
>
>>"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
>>news:R0sqk.864$AB3....@eagle.america.net...
>>
>>>>anybody can be a better here, one is not born into it.
>>>
>>>Raymond O'Hara
>>>----------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Quite True...
>>>
>>>Look at Senator Barack Hussein Obama.
>>>--
>>
>>like clinton he is a self made man who came from as low on the social scale
>>as possiible
>>it is disgusting how republicans try to bring him down.
>
>
> What is disgusting is he did it to himself.
>
There are some truth to that;
After winning the Democrats nomination, Obama managed to suck up to the
Religious Nuts and AIPAC. He voted for FISA immunity, effectively
codified lawlessness as the Law of the Land. Now he is trying to out
neocon McCain in the Georgian incident.
Obama turned into a Republican-light. But that's what the democrats are
supposed to do. While the Republicans steadily march toward a police
state, the Democrats complaining, but follow the Republicans to Orwell's
Oceania.
Renia
Are you talking about Newcastle Brown Ale?
Renia
> Yep, I told you so, Renia.
>
> You know YOU want to live in the United States too.
I have never had a desire to live in the United States. Indeed, I wake
up every morning and thank God I'm not American.
tankfixer
re...@DELETEotenet.gr says...
Funny thing, so do we.....
D. Spencer Hines
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines
Renia's Awakening Regimen...
That would make a Great Cartoon.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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John Briggs
If you put it like that - yes.
--
John Briggs
D. Spencer Hines
So...
WILLIAM JEFFERSON BLYTHE IV [BILL CLINTON] must have been born to even
GREATER Wealth.
How Sweet It Is!
Pogues On The Run.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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tankfixer
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
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Right..
John Briggs
I am contending that Gates' privileged background enabled him to create
Microsoft's success.
Few people have the opportunity to be President - and very few have the
opportunity to be Chairman of Microsoft.
--
John Briggs
John Briggs
"Nut Brown Ale" is Samuel Smith's - so it would be Tadcaster.
--
John Briggs
Eric Stevens
In fact, as best I can recall, it was Gates' mother's long time
friendship with a key person in IBM which gave Gates the entre to IBM
from which MS-DOS and Windows grew.
>
>Few people have the opportunity to be President - and very few have the
>opportunity to be Chairman of Microsoft.
Eric Stevens
John Briggs
They asked him to suggest an operating system for the IBM PC. He recommended
CP/M :-)
--
John Briggs
Renia
Surely Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Brown Ale? (NUT acronym?)
John Briggs
No.
--
John Briggs
David Biddulph
> John Briggs wrote:
>> Renia wrote:
>>> Billzz wrote:
>>>> ... Down at the Sequoia restaurant, in Placerville, the lady who
>>>> greets us has a familiar accent, because she is from the same town
>>>> in England as the Nut Brown Ale, but I can't remember the name. I
>>>
>>> Are you talking about Newcastle Brown Ale?
>>
>> "Nut Brown Ale" is Samuel Smith's - so it would be Tadcaster.
>
> Surely Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Brown Ale? (NUT acronym?)
Surely not!
Nut Brown Ale is indeed Sam Smiths.
http://www.merchantduvin.com/pages/5_breweries/samsmith_nut_brown_ale.html
http://www.merchantduvin.com/pages/5_breweries/samuel_smith_family_productsheet.pdf
but there's also one from a microbrewery in Battle:
http://www.sussexandthecity.co.uk/englishmans-nut-brown-ale-8481-0.html
and a few others including a home brew.
Newcastle Brown Ale is simply that: Newcastle Brown Ale, (though now brewed
in Gateshead).
--
David Biddulph
William Black
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
> Surely Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Brown Ale? (NUT acronym?)
Well it was brewed by a company called 'Scottish and Newcastle' who I think
are now part of Heineken.
But most of the people I know call it 'dog'.
As in "I'll have a bottle of dog please".
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
J A
"Eric Stevens" <eric.s...@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
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That's interesting.
I remember reading that his basic DOS program was filched off another
company, and then he built on it.
John Briggs
QDOS (a sort of reverse-engineered CP/M). Not so much filched, as bought for
a very low price - the sort of distinction you can make if your father is a
wealthy lawyer.
--
John Briggs
Renia
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking about Newcastle Brown Ale?
>>>
>>> "Nut Brown Ale" is Samuel Smith's - so it would be Tadcaster.
>>
>> Surely Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Brown Ale? (NUT acronym?)
>
> No.
OK, thanks. Not really my department!
Eric Stevens
<john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm sets out some
of the background to that. Q-DOS was a Quick and Dirty Operating
System designed to enable software to be run on on the 16-bit 8086
CPU. CP/M (Control Program - Microprocessor) was written for the
8-bit 8080 CPU. Q-DOS was never intended to be a serious operating
system but its what PC-DOS (anyone remember that?) and MS-DOS were
built upon.
I can't find the reference to the part Bill Gates' mother played in
getting him in contact with IBM but
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/BillGates.html gives some ide of her
ability to do so:
"The mother of the Microsoft monopolist, Mary Maxwell Gates,
was on the board of directors of these corporations:
* Berkshire Hathaway
* First Interstate Bank
* Pacific Northwest Bell
* United Way (national board)"
Undoubtedly she had contacts at the highest levels.
Eric Stevens