A sanity check
Frogwatch
people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly rants about how
evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He gives a
talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be decapitated
and burnt. He asks for advice about how not to get deployed to Iraq
due to religion. Before he begins shooting he yells, "Allahuh
Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious nuts doing similar
things in the USA.
Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be related
to religion"?
La N
ALLEGEDLY. If all of this is true, why did the military and/or FBI not have
the cojones to weed him out. EH??? Are the military so desperate for
shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in charge of
counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
Do you not think anything out, Froggie?
Or is the US military establishment that dumb and desperate and stupid to
keep someone like that on their rolls.
- nilita
Frogwatch
Cuz he did nothing illegal. THINK LaN, neither the Army nor the FBI
can say anything about his disagreement with the wars. Supposedly
nothing bad about being a muslim. Calling himself a Palestinian is
not bad. Telling people what he thinks the Koran says about
unbelievers is protected speech. So, find one thing he could have
been "weeded out" for in these PC times?
Remember, there are muslim members of the US army and they need
counselors too so perhaps the Army thought he was of value.
La N
In your words: "He constantly rants about how
>>> evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He gives a
>>> talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be
>>> decapitated and burnt. "
You know? To most civilized (Western) countries, that would be a
no-brainer. At the very least the guy is a nut bran; at the most he's
dangerous. You pull him out of his position of authority. PERIOD. If the
Army knew all this was happening behind the scenes, then they have a lot to
answer for, putting young men and women at risk at the hands of this (at the
very least, unprofressional) Major.
- nilita
Frogwatch
Think about it even more:
"Muslim shrink in the US Army" otherwise known as "Seriously Good
Asset" for getting into the heads of people in Iraq. Even if he did
not want to go he could be very useful. Many people who were against
the war in Iraq went there and sucked it up and have really tried to
be helpful. Even considering his poor ratings, I'd have hesitated to
get rid of him simply because of his potential usefulness.
La N
If he was, as you say, making unprofessional and violent posts on the
internet, the Army should have questioned his "usefulness". The Army has a
lot to answer for if it comes out in the wash that they were covering up
this man's behaviour and slow meltdown. In Canada, someone like that would
have been pulled from his position for a long debriefing/investigation. Are
you yanks that thick and desperate for army shrinks????!!!! I then would
charge you with negligence to perform your duty to your young men and women
in uniform to provide the best medical/mental health services that they
deserve. Shame, shame, shame ....
- nilita
Frogwatch
LaN does a great job of blaming the victim while holding blameless the
PC mindset that makes removing him very difficult. If he had been
removed, the Army would have been blamed for cultural insensitivity
toward muslims. LaN, the real blame lies with people like yourself
who are unable to think clearly about what is relatively "more evil"
so end up allowing evil to flourish in the name of cultural
sensitivity. I repeat, people like yourself are responsible for the
Army not being able to remove him (yes I know you are not in the USA
but the point remains true).
La N
There is a universal tenet in the medical/mental health world. If a person
is engaging in unprofessional conduct, and at the very least an
investigation is not performed, then the powers-that-be are negligent. Do
you think these young men and women would have willingly accepted the help
of an anti-American (Muslim) shrink who advocated beheading of infidels? DO
YOU???!!!! Is that how little you think of those who serve in uniform? I,
for one, believe that those in uniform deserve treatment and medical
insurance that would be afforded by/to the most wealthy of your nation
instead of having to attend decrepit VA institutions and rat infested
hospitals. I think they deserve the best shrinks/hospitals (i.e. Mayo),
that your country can give them. I WOULD HAVE REMOVED THAT NUT BRAN IN A
NEW YORK MINUTE. You wouldn't. I believe Armed Forces personnel on active
duty and retired deserve the best of treatment facilities and professionals.
You obviously don't.
- nilita
Ray O'Hara
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sjiJm.50946$Db2.42000@edtnps83...
he attracted the FBI with internet rants. defending suicide bombers.
it shows how desperate the military is to keep people.
La N
Sounds like the military needs to re-think and re-build then. I doubt that
this incident is going to enhance recruitment efforts.
Ray O'Hara
there will be a lot of fall out and maybe a ruined career or two before this
is concluded.
Jack Linthicum
La N
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/07/us/politics/AP-US-Fort-Hood-Stressed-Out-Psychiatrists.html
*****************
I have to take off for a bit now, so I'll read it later. The topic doesn't
surprise me in the least, though.
La N
>
> "Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:a832604e-d010-4db9...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> *****************
>
> I have to take off for a bit now, so I'll read it later. The topic
> doesn't surprise me in the least, though.
>
>
>
Okay, I've read it. It's about the shortage of therapists for the military
and the amount of compassion fatigue suffered by the overworked/overstressed
therapists that are on board. This is also a no-brainer (for me and many
others at least). When you spend much of your life listening to tragedy
after tragedy after tragedy and at times feel helpless and ineffective to
make it better for the person who is in pain, it does get to you, especially
if you yourself - as the therapist - do not have balance in other aspects of
your life.
I am not interested in giving cred to those "brave" armchair warriors who
think that soldiers should just "suck it up" and who believe that those who
have not been personally involved in combat, but are "support staff", should
not be "allowed" to suffer a post traumatic syndrome.
- nilita
William Black
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :Frogwatch wrote:
> :> OooooooooK, we have a serious Muslim born in the USA but who tells
> :> people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly rants about how
> :> evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He gives a
> :> talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be decapitated
> :> and burnt. He asks for advice about how not to get deployed to Iraq
> :> due to religion. Before he begins shooting he yells, "Allahuh
> :> Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious nuts doing similar
> :> things in the USA.
> :>
> :> Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be related
> :> to religion"?
> :
> :ALLEGEDLY. If all of this is true, why did the military and/or FBI not have
> :the cojones to weed him out. EH??? Are the military so desperate for
> :shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in charge of
> :counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
>
> You can't cashier an officer just because you don't like his opinions,
> Nilita. Not in this country, you can't.
>
Don't they have a crime that is like 'Actions prejudicial to good order
and discipline'.
Something that is used by the British army to stop serving officers,
for example, writing letters highly critical of operations or
personalities or policies?
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
Frogwatch
Back to the original question, who thinks the killings were unrelated
to him being a muslim?
La N
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hd4rlt$eqt$6...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> :Frogwatch wrote:
>> :> OooooooooK, we have a serious Muslim born in the USA but who tells
>> :> people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly rants about how
>> :> evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He gives a
>> :> talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be decapitated
>> :> and burnt. He asks for advice about how not to get deployed to Iraq
>> :> due to religion. Before he begins shooting he yells, "Allahuh
>> :> Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious nuts doing similar
>> :> things in the USA.
>> :>
>> :> Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be related
>> :> to religion"?
>> :
>> :ALLEGEDLY. If all of this is true, why did the military and/or FBI not
>> have :the cojones to weed him out. EH??? Are the military so desperate
>> for :shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in charge of
>> :counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
>> :
>>
>> You can't cashier an officer just because you don't like his opinions,
>> Nilita. Not in this country, you can't.
>>
> Don't they have a crime that is like 'Actions prejudicial to good order
> and discipline'.
>
> Something that is used by the British army to stop serving officers, for
> example, writing letters highly critical of operations or personalities
> or policies?
Or even an "offer of assistance" if you see one of your [men] is going off
the deep end?
If those who were under treatment by this doctor had *known* of this
doctor's prejudices, they would not have chosen his "help". Therefore,
their own treatment was compromised.
- nililta
La N
None of us know, do we. Each person has his/her own theory.
Jack Linthicum
He killed several medical/psychiatric personnel. Were they killed
because he was a Muslim?
La N
btw, if a civilian had been tracked for such postings, as allegedly this
doctor had, that civilian would no doubt be put on the DO NOT FLY list.
Looks like they were going to send Doc off to Afghanistan where he could
continue to be "of service" [hating America and advocating beheading of
infidels].
- nilita
La N
Watch. Froggie is going to say that the killer voted for Obama, and that
has something to do with it.
<rolling eyes>
Frogwatch
Wait a minute, I gotta digest this.............LaN "doesnt know" if
the killings were related to religion? OK. lets try this. Do you see
any relationship between it being light outside and the sun being in
the sky? Too hard? OK, we;ll make it easy. Do you see any
relationship between being thirsty and drinking water?
La N
It could be related to a *lot* of things, Froggy, including religion. If it
were all about religion, I don't suppose that he would have enlisted in the
US military to help the infidels, ya think? Or. It might have also had
something to do with his mental health distintegrating. And./or it might
have had something to do with not getting along with his peers at [whatever
institute].
People commit all sorts of crimes in the name of God, insisting that God
directed them thus. How about that women in Texas who drowned all her
kiddies in the bathtub. A very religious woman. Andrea Yates was her name.
Do we blame Christianity for her unraveling? Do we blame Christianity for
the fellow who killed an abortion doctor a few months ago in the name of
God?
Frogwatch
> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Watch. Nilita can't address any of the real issues, so she'll keep
> trying to talk about Obama.
>
> <your eyes wouldn't roll like that if there was anything behind them>
>
> --
> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
> territory."
> --G. Behn
I have not mentioned Obama but LaN somehow brings him into this, an
obsession maybe?
La N
Whether you like it or not, those of you who suffer from Obama Derangement
Syndrome (ODS), he *is* the Commander-in-Chief. Only partisans such as
yourself(ves) would try to sever him from that role.
- nilita
La N
btw, I wish Obama well. I wish for him strength and courage as the
Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces through all its trials, unlike y'all
and your talking nutheads from FOX News who are rooting for his failure.
- nilita
Ray O'Hara
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ctsbf59rokpple1on...@4ax.com...
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> :news:BkjJm.50957$Db2.15225@edtnps83...
> :>
> :> Sounds like the military needs to re-think and re-build then. I doubt
> :> that this incident is going to enhance recruitment efforts.
> :
> :there will be a lot of fall out and maybe a ruined career or two before
> this
> :is concluded.
> :
>
> Jesus, what a pair of fuckwits! The 'ruined careers' are those of the
> people this bastard murdered.
>
heads will roll.
Ray O'Hara
> :it shows how desperate the military is to keep people.
> :
>
> Oh, horseshit. You can't cashier an officer because you don't like
> his opinions, Ray. I'm sure if they had you would be first in line
> screaming about how it was prejudice because he was a Muslim.
>
> Here comes the Loony Left, and so the spin begins.
>
being a muslim is one thing, publicly defending suicide bombers is
something else.
La N
I never said careers would be ruined or even that heads would roll.
Dennis
>> Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be related
>> to religion"?
>
> ALLEGEDLY.
I like the way the press talks about the "suspected shooter."
The cartoonist Rodrigues had a cartoon representing a TV image of a
politician up on a platform before a crowd, a crazed man in the crowd
firing a pistol at him, the bullet going out the other side of the
politician's head - and on the TV image, an arrow points to the crazed man
with a pistol; the arrow says, "ALLEGED ASSASSIN."
Sorry, I couldn't resist. :-)
> If all of this is true, why did the military and/or FBI
> not have the cojones to weed him out. EH??? Are the military so
> desperate for shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in
> charge of counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
Possibly so. The Catholic Church was so desperate for priests that
they didn't weed out child molesters, after all. :-(
> Do you not think anything out, Froggie?
Don't ask stupid questions, Nili. :-)
> Or is the US military establishment that dumb and desperate and stupid
> to keep someone like that on their rolls.
Yup.
Dennis
Dennis
> Or even an "offer of assistance" if you see one of your [men] is going
> off the deep end?
>
> If those who were under treatment by this doctor had *known* of this
> doctor's prejudices, they would not have chosen his "help".
> Therefore, their own treatment was compromised.
I believe he was receiving supervision, though maybe not most
recently.
I don't know about the military, but I know that under Louisiana USA
law, a therapist is obliged to break client confidentiality if someone is
displaying homicidal fantasies, etc. that are serious, just like similar
suicidal fantasies.
Dennis
La N
There is such a "big picture" involved, but there is a tendency for people
to focus on one thing, one person to blame. The assassin of course is
culpable for murder, but how was this even allowed to happen. The priest
analogy is a good one, btw. I know alot of adult survivors of priestly
"love" in their childhood who many times through their lives had wished they
were dead.
- nilita
Ray O'Hara
>
> Has anyone pointed out that you're insane, Mr O'Hara?
>
> It's the only explanation I can find for that remark. One more time:
> You cannot cashier an officer for their opinions.
>
>
yes you can . being in the military deprives you are several rights. and
advocating attacks on Americans is not cool.
criticizing your superiors in public will get you bounced too.
Andrew Swallow
{snip}
>
> Cuz he did nothing illegal. THINK LaN, neither the Army nor the FBI
> can say anything about his disagreement with the wars. Supposedly
> nothing bad about being a muslim. Calling himself a Palestinian is
> not bad. Telling people what he thinks the Koran says about
> unbelievers is protected speech. So, find one thing he could have
> been "weeded out" for in these PC times?
> Remember, there are muslim members of the US army and they need
> counselors too so perhaps the Army thought he was of value.
Look for him calling for democracy to be replaced by an Islamic
form of government. That is unconstitutional.
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
> :news:BkjJm.50957$Db2.15225@edtnps83...
> :>
> :> Sounds like the military needs to re-think and re-build then. I doubt
> :> that this incident is going to enhance recruitment efforts.
> :
> :there will be a lot of fall out and maybe a ruined career or two before this
> :is concluded.
> :
>
> Jesus, what a pair of fuckwits! The 'ruined careers' are those of the
> people this bastard murdered.
>
The second group are their friends and relations.
The third group are the people around the major who did not get rid of
him.
The fourth group are the civil servants and military people suspected
of being believers in Islam who get asked "Are you now are have you ever
been a Muslim?".
Andrew Swallow
La N
I am reminded of why F*** has been in my killfile for years. I have never
suggested "ruined careers". Furthermore, there are Muslims serving
admirably in the American Armed Forces. You cannot DQ someone just for
being a Muslim. However, this Major's gradual meltdown should have set up
all sorts of red flags. I, for one, if I had to work with him and was
listening/reading to his (alleged) anti-American, pro decapitation of
infidels rhetoric, I would have felt a moral and legal (mind you I'm
speaking as a Canadian) obligation to report him to his superiors. Then at
least *my* conscience would be clear. What they did with the information
would be up to them.
- nilita
tankfixer
says...
>
> Frogwatch wrote:
> > OooooooooK, we have a serious Muslim born in the USA but who tells
> > people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly rants about how
> > evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He gives a
> > talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be decapitated
> > and burnt. He asks for advice about how not to get deployed to Iraq
> > due to religion. Before he begins shooting he yells, "Allahuh
> > Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious nuts doing similar
> > things in the USA.
> >
> > to religion"?
>
Due process ?
Sloppyness ?
Just two explinations..
> Are the military so desperate for
> shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in charge of
> counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
In charge of ?
I doubt this fellow was in charge of anything.
>
> Do you not think anything out, Froggie?
>
> Or is the US military establishment that dumb and desperate and stupid to
> keep someone like that on their rolls.
>
> - nilita
tankfixer
says...
Speaking of that role..
When will he start filling it ?
La N
> In article <I%hJm.50938$Db2.13635@edtnps83>,
> nilita20...@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> Frogwatch wrote:
>>> OooooooooK, we have a serious Muslim born in the USA but who tells
>>> people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly rants about
>>> how evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He
>>> gives a talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be
>>> decapitated and burnt. He asks for advice about how not to get
>>> deployed to Iraq due to religion. Before he begins shooting he
>>> yells, "Allahuh Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious
>>> nuts doing similar things in the USA.
>>>
>>> Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be related
>>> to religion"?
>>
>> ALLEGEDLY. If all of this is true, why did the military and/or FBI
>> not have the cojones to weed him out. EH???
>
> Due process ?
> Sloppyness ?
> Just two explinations..
That's a start ...
>
>> Are the military so desperate for
>> shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in charge of
>> counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
>
> In charge of ?
> I doubt this fellow was in charge of anything.
>
He was in charge of his case load. He was in charge of providing mental
health support and counselling including dispensation of psychotropic
medication, to his clients. That's a helluvalot to be in charge of.
Somebody(ies) authorized him to do that.
La N
Tanky, there is nothing Obama could do or say that would make you happy.
Kerryn Offord
> tankfixer wrote:
<SNIP>
>> Speaking of that role..
>> When will he start filling it ?
>
> Tanky, there is nothing Obama could do or say that would make you happy.
>
>
What about switching from being Democrat to being Republican? :^)
Jack Linthicum
There is some sort of law that says you have to say "suspected" until
the perp is convicted. Something tied to the "innocent until proven
guilty" concept. It sounds funny but prior to this interpretation the
press could rail on about the "guilty" party until the trial found him
or her innocent.
Eugene Griessel
We live in a crazy world where the current overriding sin seems to be
the causing of offence to anyone. I was recently reading that Wiccans
are upset by Halloween as they find it "offensive". Jawel no fine. I
am trying to propagate the concept that I find it offensive that woman
use the word "no" - so far with complete lack of success. Sigh.
Eugene L Griessel
If a mime gets arrested, does he have the right to remain silent?
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
Jim Yanik
news:hd664c$273k$1...@adenine.netfront.net:
> La N wrote:
>> tankfixer wrote:
><SNIP>
>>> Speaking of that role..
>>> When will he start filling it ?
>>
>> Tanky, there is nothing Obama could do or say that would make you
>> happy.
He could resign.That would do it for me.
>>
>>
>
> What about switching from being Democrat to being Republican? :^)
>
What does that achieve?
He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist twit.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Jim Yanik
> La N wrote:
At least the Republicans know who our friends and enemies are;
who to support and who to oppose.
Obama supports our enemies and opposes our friends.
William Black
> He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist twit.
>
You don't know what a Marxist is do you.
If you did you wouldn't type such twaddle.
La N
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>> He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist twit.
>>
>
> You don't know what a Marxist is do you.
>
> If you did you wouldn't type such twaddle.
Ya think? And yet an incredible number of Americans believe that Obama is a
Marxist. It boggles the mind.
- nilita
Peter Skelton
wrote:
Like your hero ronnie raygun who supported Khomeni and had nuns
assasintated to ruin democracy in Latin America?
Your a bit on the disgusting side at times.
Peter Skelton
La N
The infamous "death squads". Yup.
Also, let us not forget their intervention in Chile which resulted in the
assassination of the democratically elected Salvador Allende and the
propping up of the thug Augusto Pinochet.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
One of the fun bits in the recent noise about unemployment is the
comparison: "this is the largest number of unemployed since 1983".
Guess who was "in charge" then?
William Black
I blame their system of education.
It seems to be very unsophisticated politically
Andrew Chaplin
news:hd6pi1$51r$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> La N wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>
>>>> He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist
>>>> twit.
>>>>
>>> You don't know what a Marxist is do you.
>>>
>>> If you did you wouldn't type such twaddle.
>>
>> Ya think? And yet an incredible number of Americans believe that
>> Obama is a Marxist. It boggles the mind.
>
> I blame their system of education.
>
> It seems to be very unsophisticated politically
AIUI, the systems in the U.S. and Canada don't deal with ideology until the
post-secondary level, and few students bother with poli-sci (I know I
didn't except for an intro course). Marxist analysis is d�mod� (post-
structuralism would seem to be the flavour of the age) and seems only to be
taught in seminars.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Ray O'Hara
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> :
> :> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :> :news:fmsbf5hbjnb5dfs66...@4ax.com...
> :> :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :> :>
> :> :> :
> :> :> : he attracted the FBI with internet rants. defending suicide
> bombers.
> :> :> :it shows how desperate the military is to keep people.
> :> :> :
> :> :>
> :> :> Oh, horseshit. You can't cashier an officer because you don't like
> :> :> his opinions, Ray. I'm sure if they had you would be first in line
> :> :> screaming about how it was prejudice because he was a Muslim.
> :> :>
> :> :> Here comes the Loony Left, and so the spin begins.
> :> :>
> :> :
> :> : being a muslim is one thing, publicly defending suicide bombers is
> :> :something else.
> :> :
> :>
> :> Has anyone pointed out that you're insane, Mr O'Hara?
> :>
> :> It's the only explanation I can find for that remark. One more time:
> :> You cannot cashier an officer for their opinions.
> :>
> :
> : yes you can .
>
> No, you can't.
>
> :
> :being in the military deprives you are several rights.
> :
>
> And you know this from your many years in the military, do you, Ray?
> Get back to me when you've worn some uniform other than 'fast food
> waiter'.
>
> :
> :and advocating attacks on Americans is not cool.
> :
>
> No, it's not, but it would take pretty specific circumstances for it
> to be actionable.
>
> :
> :criticizing your superiors in public will get you bounced too.
> :
>
> Don't be silly. The only person who ever tried that shit was Clinton.
>
Cite about Clinton.
and tell Billy Mitchell it was okay for him to mouth off, to name a famous
case.
La N
> La N wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>
>>>> He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist
>>>> twit.
>>> You don't know what a Marxist is do you.
>>>
>>> If you did you wouldn't type such twaddle.
>>
>> Ya think? And yet an incredible number of Americans believe that
>> Obama is a Marxist. It boggles the mind.
>
> I blame their system of education.
>
> It seems to be very unsophisticated politically
If Obama is "Marxist", then Canada's current Conservative Party Prime
Minister is "Marxist". Sheesh. I don't know that is lack of education on
their part so much as fear. Americans tend to be conservative in their
mindset. With this conservatism comes fear of (dramatic) change. OTOH, I
keep hearing these conservative (right-wing) Americans utilizing the "Where
is the change Obama promised" mantra as among their justifications to bring
him down. From an outsider's POV, it's an interesting phenomenon.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
"Liberal" lost its punch, "Marxist" has a nice historical ring to it.
La N
Yes, it installs even *more* fear in the minds of those afraid of
"liberals".
Ray O'Hara
no, a vocal minority who listen to Faux news think that.
but they make for good TV bites so their effect and numbers are exagerated.
and as for Dithering, Cheney admitted at the same dinner he accused Obama of
taking too much time on Afghanistan that his administration didn't put much
thought into the war until the FALL OF 2008.
so who exactly were the ditherers?
republicans are liars. pure and simple.
>
Ray O'Hara
> Frogwatch <dbo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :Back to the original question, who thinks the killings were unrelated
> :to him being a muslim?
>
> I think they probably weren't related at all. However, when embarking
> on what is essentially 'suicide by cop', is it surprising that he
> would try to make himself right with his god?
everything about this guy relates to his being a Muslim.
if he was a Christian or an Athiest he wouldn't have had any of the issues
that pushed him over the edge.
Ray O'Hara
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :btw, if a civilian had been tracked for such postings, as allegedly this
> :doctor had, that civilian would no doubt be put on the DO NOT FLY list.
> :
>
> Oh, would they now? Cite for this rather preposterous claim?
>
> <loony remarks elided>
>
where have you been since 9/11 Fred.?
who do you think gets on do not fly lists?
La N
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OpBJm.51955$PH1.26037@edtnps82...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>
>>>> He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist
>>>> twit.
>>>
>>> You don't know what a Marxist is do you.
>>>
>>> If you did you wouldn't type such twaddle.
>>
>> Ya think? And yet an incredible number of Americans believe that
>> Obama is a Marxist. It boggles the mind.
>>
>> - nilita
>
> no, a vocal minority who listen to Faux news think that.
> but they make for good TV bites so their effect and numbers are
> exagerated.
FOX News is the No. 1 (read that: top rated) cable news network in the US.
That does not sound like a small "minority" of Americans.
- nilita
La N
There is no way to know. Unless he comes right out and tells you. And I
don't think he is prepared to do that.
- nilita
Ray O'Hara
> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> :Fred J. McCall wrote:
> :> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> :Frogwatch wrote:
> :> :> OooooooooK, we have a serious Muslim born in the USA but who tells
> :> :> people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly rants about
> how
> :> :> evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He gives a
> :> :> talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be
> decapitated
> :> :> and burnt. He asks for advice about how not to get deployed to Iraq
> :> :> due to religion. Before he begins shooting he yells, "Allahuh
> :> :> Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious nuts doing similar
> :> :> things in the USA.
> :> :> Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be related
> :> :> to religion"?
> :> :
> :> :ALLEGEDLY. If all of this is true, why did the military and/or FBI
> :> :the cojones to weed him out. EH??? Are the military so desperate for
> :> :shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in charge of
> :> :counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
> :>
> :> You can't cashier an officer just because you don't like his opinions,
> :> Nilita. Not in this country, you can't.
> :>
> :
> :Don't they have a crime that is like 'Actions prejudicial to good order
> :and discipline'.
>
> Yes, but expressing what are essentially political and religious
> opinions on your own time isn't considered to be such an action.
>
> :
> :Something that is used by the British army to stop serving officers,
> :for example, writing letters highly critical of operations or
> :personalities or policies?
>
> Given the list of people who have been critical of things here, I
> suspect our line for that is quite different from yours.
>
defending the acts of the enemy and advocating suicide bombings is not
expressing religious belief.
and Religious beliefs have limits, advocating human sacrifice or underage
sex gets you in trouble.
the fringe Mormon leader Rulon Jeffs was chased all over and his son Rulon
Jeffs was just sentenced to 10 years in prison for "ading and abetting"
underage sex with girls who were married to older men
they claim this is a religious right and biblically sanctioned. all
"rights" have limits.Property rights? hah! don't pay your taxwes and see
what you "own".
William Black
He could be a deep cover long term sleeper.
In which case he's performed admirably for his masters...
frank
> Kerryn Offord <ka...@ext.cantrbury.ac.nz> wrote innews:hd664c$273k$1...@adenine.netfront.net:
Yeah I like your concept of circular firing squads and how you're
eating your young. How about the NY race? or how the governorship is
shaping up in Texas. Jeez, that's going to be about as funny as Kinky
Freedman running for governor. And you know what, the state is in such
a mess I wished he would have won.
Dennis
>>There is some sort of law that says you have to say "suspected" until
>>the perp is convicted. Something tied to the "innocent until proven
>>guilty" concept. It sounds funny but prior to this interpretation the
>>press could rail on about the "guilty" party until the trial found him
>>or her innocent.
Point conceded. Innocent people get labeled by the press as guilty
all the time.
> We live in a crazy world where the current overriding sin seems to be
> the causing of offence to anyone. I was recently reading that Wiccans
> are upset by Halloween as they find it "offensive". Jawel no fine. I
> am trying to propagate the concept that I find it offensive that woman
> use the word "no" - so far with complete lack of success. Sigh.
Item 2 in Bill of Non-Rights:
"You do not have the right to never be offended. In this country,
freedom of speech is a constitutionally guaranteed right for everyone, not
just you. You may express a different opinion, change channels, leave the
room, etc.; but the world is full of idiots and probably always will be."
To which I add -
"Somedays you're the village, somedays you're the idiot!"
Dennis
Ray O'Hara
. you're talking at best 3% of TV viewers and Faux has the highest
negatives among all viewers.
all the nuts go to Faux while the rational people are split.among the
Broadcast networks MSNBC and CNN.
so number 1 cable news still doesn't get many viewers all the cable news
trail ESPN by a good margin.
Ray O'Hara
"frank" <dhssres...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:34232fa3-ef2b-479c...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
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Kinky would be an improvement over the clown Texass does have.
Ray O'Hara
a christian wouldn't believe that we are "making war on Islam"
they think we are making war on christmas.
tankfixer
says...
>
> tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <I%hJm.50938$Db2.13635@edtnps83>,
> > nilita20...@yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >> Frogwatch wrote:
> >>> OooooooooK, we have a serious Muslim born in the USA but who tells
> >>> people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly rants about
> >>> how evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are. He
> >>> gives a talk to other medical pros about how unbelievers should be
> >>> decapitated and burnt. He asks for advice about how not to get
> >>> deployed to Iraq due to religion. Before he begins shooting he
> >>> yells, "Allahuh Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious
> >>> nuts doing similar things in the USA.
> >>>
> >>> Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be related
> >>> to religion"?
> >>
> >> ALLEGEDLY. If all of this is true, why did the military and/or FBI
> >> not have the cojones to weed him out. EH???
> >
> > Sloppyness ?
> > Just two explinations..
>
> That's a start ...
>
> >
> >> Are the military so desperate for
> >> shrinks that they felt a need to maintain this MAJOR in charge of
> >> counselling people who were suffering from PTSD?
> >
> > I doubt this fellow was in charge of anything.
> >
>
> He was in charge of his case load. He was in charge of providing mental
> health support and counselling including dispensation of psychotropic
> medication, to his clients. That's a helluvalot to be in charge of.
> Somebody(ies) authorized him to do that.
He was responsable for the care he provided.
But he was not "in charge of" anything.
tankfixer
says...
>
> tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <I1oJm.50997$Db2.20741@edtnps83>,
> > nilita20...@yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >> Frogwatch wrote:
> >>> On Nov 7, 5:59 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>> On Nov 7, 5:19 pm, Frogwatch <dboh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 5:17 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Frogwatch wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> OooooooooK, we have a serious Muslim born in the USA but who
> >>>>>>>>>>> tells people his nationality is Palestinian. He constantly
> >>>>>>>>>>> rants about how evil he thinks the US wars in Iraq and
> >>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan are. He gives a talk to other medical pros about
> >>>>>>>>>>> how unbelievers should be decapitated and burnt. He asks for
> >>>>>>>>>>> advice about how not to get deployed to Iraq due to
> >>>>>>>>>>> religion. Before he begins shooting he yells, "Allahuh
> >>>>>>>>>>> Akbar". There is a history of muslim religious nuts doing
> >>>>>>>>>>> similar things in the USA.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Now the test: Who thinks the Fort Hood Incident "May not be
> >>>>>>>>>>> related to religion"?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ALLEGEDLY. If all of this is true, why did the military
> >>>>>>>>>> the military so desperate for shrinks that they felt a need
> >>>>>>>>>> to maintain this MAJOR in charge of counselling people who
> >>>>>>>>>> were suffering from PTSD?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> opinions, Nilita. Not in this country, you can't.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Don't they have a crime that is like 'Actions prejudicial to
> >>>>>>>> good order and discipline'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> officers, for example, writing letters highly critical of
> >>>>>>>> operations or personalities or policies?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> William Black
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Any number under six"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the
> >>>>>>>> Duke of Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men
> >>>>>>>> he could beat single handed with a quarterstaff.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> unrelated to him being a muslim?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> because he was a Muslim?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Watch. Froggie is going to say that the killer voted for Obama,
> >>>>> and that has something to do with it.
> >>>>>
> >>>> :<rolling eyes>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Watch. Nilita can't address any of the real issues, so she'll keep
> >>>> trying to talk about Obama.
> >>>>
> >>>> <your eyes wouldn't roll like that if there was anything behind
> >>>> them>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
> >>>> territory."
> >>>> --G. Behn
> >>>
> >>> I have not mentioned Obama but LaN somehow brings him into this, an
> >>> obsession maybe?
> >>
> >> Whether you like it or not, those of you who suffer from Obama
> >> Derangement Syndrome (ODS), he *is* the Commander-in-Chief. Only
> >> partisans such as yourself(ves) would try to sever him from that
> >> role.
> >
> > Speaking of that role..
> > When will he start filling it ?
>
> Tanky, there is nothing Obama could do or say that would make you happy.
Sure there is, step up and do the job he got elected to do.
The campaign is over, he need to stop running around feuding with media
outlets and be the president.
Jack Linthicum
> In article <6rtJm.51061$Db2.41977@edtnps83>, nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > tankfixer wrote:
> > > In article <I%hJm.50938$Db2.13635@edtnps83>,
You know this?
tankfixer
@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, jackli...@earthlink.net says...
Fairly certain, given how medical units are organized..
La N
When you have designated patients, you are their case manager. You are in
charge of the cases that you handle. You are in charge of managing their
files, their treatment plans, and followup. Period.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
> In article <099d3d9f-219d-4e09-979e-6c2f88699ab8
> @f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, jacklinthi...@earthlink.net says...
You have organized medical units?
BlackBeard
> La N wrote:
> > William Black wrote:
> >> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> >>> He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist twit.
>
> >> You don't know what a Marxist is do you.
>
> >> If you did you wouldn't type such twaddle.
>
> > Ya think? And yet an incredible number of Americans believe that Obama is a
> > Marxist. It boggles the mind.
>
>
> It seems to be very unsophisticated politically
>
What you both are missing is that Marxist is a very dirty word here.
I doubt most people that use the term truly believe he is. Just as
those that call him a dirty c**k-sucker don't really profess to know
of any such encounters or the cleanliness of the moment...
BB
La N
I dunno. I'm willing to bet that Mr. Yanik really believes Obama is a
Marxist.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
But not what a Marxist is.
Jim Yanik
news:Xns9CBD725B0C...@216.196.109.144:
> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
> news:hd6pi1$51r$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> La N wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He would still be the same non-existant leadership and Marxist
>>>>> twit.
>>>>>
>>>> You don't know what a Marxist is do you.
>>>>
>>>> If you did you wouldn't type such twaddle.
>>>
>>> Ya think? And yet an incredible number of Americans believe that
>>> Obama is a Marxist. It boggles the mind.
>>
>> I blame their system of education.
>>
>> It seems to be very unsophisticated politically
>
> AIUI, the systems in the U.S. and Canada don't deal with ideology
> until the post-secondary level, and few students bother with poli-sci
> (I know I didn't except for an intro course). Marxist analysis is
> d�mod� (post- structuralism would seem to be the flavour of the age)
> and seems only to be taught in seminars.
I find it humorous that some folks quibble about the definition.
Nitpicking.
Also,one must remember that Obama's father was a Marxist,Obama was mentored
by a Communist,is an Alinsky master,put in 20 yrs in the radical Black
Liberation Theology of Rev.Wright,selected Van Jones for a "Czar"
position,along with Cass Sunstein,and other Communist admirers.
some folks just can't(or won't) connect the dots.
La N
And a helluvalot of people have called you a loon, a kook, and a wingnut.
Doesn't necessarily make you one, does it?