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ohar...@mindspring.com
May 16, 2013, 9:00:56 PM5/16/13
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So far we know that the administration lied to us in order to not make Obama look bad over Benghazi before the election. Maybe not illegal but sufficiently dishonest as to make the election nearly a fraud.
We know that "Somebody" kept any rescue operation from even getting started. If that person(s) happen to be Obama or Clinton, still not illegal, just bad judgement.
Then we know that the IRS was used as a wing of the Democratic party suppressing the vote for Romney and seriously discouraging any political activity by Obama opponents with the threat of audits. I knew this was happening so you know Obama did too. So basically, the civil rights of half the population were ignored giving us a fraudulent election.
Can this be fixed? Not by firing a couple of low level people, not even by firing Holder, not even by throwing Hillary under the bus. The knowledge that our elections have become a sham will obviously lead to political violence unless serious steps are taken.
The Obama regime can crack down and further impose a police state leading to civil war or Obama can resign in shame. Even impeachment won't solve the problem as his believers would not accept an impeachment and those of us who voted against him will not accept anything short of his removal.
Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
We know that "Somebody" kept any rescue operation from even getting started. If that person(s) happen to be Obama or Clinton, still not illegal, just bad judgement.
Then we know that the IRS was used as a wing of the Democratic party suppressing the vote for Romney and seriously discouraging any political activity by Obama opponents with the threat of audits. I knew this was happening so you know Obama did too. So basically, the civil rights of half the population were ignored giving us a fraudulent election.
Can this be fixed? Not by firing a couple of low level people, not even by firing Holder, not even by throwing Hillary under the bus. The knowledge that our elections have become a sham will obviously lead to political violence unless serious steps are taken.
The Obama regime can crack down and further impose a police state leading to civil war or Obama can resign in shame. Even impeachment won't solve the problem as his believers would not accept an impeachment and those of us who voted against him will not accept anything short of his removal.
Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
Scott M. Kozel
May 16, 2013, 10:22:29 PM5/16/13
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ohar...@mindspring.com
May 16, 2013, 10:40:49 PM5/16/13
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Unless Obama resigns, things will get violent.
Not even any of the wild tinfoil hat conspiracy theories were this bad. Obama voters will give us civil war because the rest of us have no choice. Fight them or be allowed to die from no health care.
ohar...@mindspring.com
May 16, 2013, 10:41:37 PM5/16/13
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On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:00:56 PM UTC-4, ohar...@mindspring.com wrote:
jonathan
May 16, 2013, 11:01:44 PM5/16/13
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<ohar...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> So far we know that the administration lied to us in order to not make
> Obama look bad over >Benghazi before the election.
happened to ...their station, and gave the bogus story
to the State Dept to spin. And the State Dept takes the
fall for all the CIA mistakes. Heads should roll in the CIA
imo.
s
Arved Sandstrom
May 17, 2013, 5:26:23 AM5/17/13
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contemplating? Obviously, if the very small minority of Americans who
think like you decided to take up arms and disrupt society then we'd
have an insurrection, no question. There's also always the possibility
that professional agitators like you could capture the attention of the
larger mass of mainstream Americans with real concerns about their
economic well-being, and pervert that unrest into a rebellion.
But any way you look at it the average mainstream American doesn't give
a flying fuck about anything you just mentioned. "Benghazi where?" "When
was that again?" Probably at least half the population would agree with
me that the major factor that suppressed the vote for Romney was
actually Romney. And I dare say that quite a few Americans interpret the
whole IRS business the same way I do, which is, if you're a political
organization that has tax avoidance as a platform *and* you are
officially applying to avoid taxes, don't be surprised if you get
audited. Hell, speaking as a taxpayer, I'd love it if the IRS were even
more ferocious about discouraging this kind of tax avoidance.
Political activity by Obama opponents _suppressed_? What planet do you
live on? Have you completely stopped reading anything in the last 6 or 7
years? I guess in your world all the criticism and vilification of Obama
is an elaborate scam by Democratic operatives like Palin and Bachmann
and Boehner etc etc etc to provide a pretext for a mass crackdown.
In any case, speak for yourself. If you are dying for a civil war, why
don't *you* start one? Don't wait for some white supremacists to start
one for you. Just barricade yourself in your house with lots of weapons
and ammo, and start taking shots. Hand out leaflets to your neighbours
explaining all of the above, and let's see how many armed supporters you
get.
AHS
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
May 17, 2013, 5:54:38 AM5/17/13
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ohar...@mindspring.com wrote:
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> Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his
> resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
Civil war? Gee you tea baggers are so nuts.
>
> Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his
> resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
;-)
Bill
May 17, 2013, 7:40:47 AM5/17/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT), ohar...@mindspring.com
wrote:
>So far we know that the administration lied to us in order to not make Obama look bad over Benghazi before the election.
That one is a direct lie.
>We know that "Somebody" kept any rescue operation from even getting started.
That one is also a direct lie.
> The knowledge that our elections have become a sham will obviously lead to political violence unless serious steps are taken.
Off you go then, the Chinese will provide guns if you need them...
>The Obama regime
Whoops...
>Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
Take more water with it son.
wrote:
>So far we know that the administration lied to us in order to not make Obama look bad over Benghazi before the election.
>We know that "Somebody" kept any rescue operation from even getting started.
> The knowledge that our elections have become a sham will obviously lead to political violence unless serious steps are taken.
>The Obama regime
Whoops...
>Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
Bill
May 17, 2013, 7:41:46 AM5/17/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 19:40:49 -0700 (PDT), ohar...@mindspring.com
wrote:
>Are you ready to have an arm of the Democratic National Committee making health care decisions for you? Remember, it will be the IRS micro-managing who pays what. What you pay will be determined by your political loyalty. They will have the power to deny care based on how you vote AND THEY WILL DO SO.
>Unless Obama resigns, things will get violent.
>Not even any of the wild tinfoil hat conspiracy theories were this bad. Obama voters will give us civil war because the rest of us have no choice. Fight them or be allowed to die from no health care.
You really have lost the plot haven't you.
Look son, it isn't a film, it's just politics.
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>Are you ready to have an arm of the Democratic National Committee making health care decisions for you? Remember, it will be the IRS micro-managing who pays what. What you pay will be determined by your political loyalty. They will have the power to deny care based on how you vote AND THEY WILL DO SO.
>Unless Obama resigns, things will get violent.
>Not even any of the wild tinfoil hat conspiracy theories were this bad. Obama voters will give us civil war because the rest of us have no choice. Fight them or be allowed to die from no health care.
Look son, it isn't a film, it's just politics.
willshak
May 17, 2013, 7:43:53 AM5/17/13
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Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @
Bill
May 17, 2013, 7:44:21 AM5/17/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:01:44 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It seems that the CIA had a large station in theatre that was actually
trying to get intelligence on the people who eventually turned out to
be doing the shooting.
The CIA therefore released information to the Whitehouse that the
locals doing the shooting couldn't possibly be al Quadah. This was
because they were looking for them and couldn't find them.
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trying to get intelligence on the people who eventually turned out to
be doing the shooting.
The CIA therefore released information to the Whitehouse that the
locals doing the shooting couldn't possibly be al Quadah. This was
because they were looking for them and couldn't find them.
Bill
May 17, 2013, 7:58:53 AM5/17/13
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ohar...@mindspring.com
May 17, 2013, 10:26:09 AM5/17/13
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On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:00:56 PM UTC-4, ohar...@mindspring.com wrote:
As far as being a "professional agitator", if you'll give me two cents, it'' be more'n I ever made posting stuff.
Bill
May 17, 2013, 11:20:18 AM5/17/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:26:09 -0700 (PDT), ohar...@mindspring.com
wrote:
>On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:00:56 PM UTC-4, ohar...@mindspring.com wrote:
>> So far we know that the administration lied to us in order to not make Obama look bad over Benghazi before the election. Maybe not illegal but sufficiently dishonest as to make the election nearly a fraud.
>>
>> We know that "Somebody" kept any rescue operation from even getting started. If that person(s) happen to be Obama or Clinton, still not illegal, just bad judgement.
>>
>> Then we know that the IRS was used as a wing of the Democratic party suppressing the vote for Romney and seriously discouraging any political activity by Obama opponents with the threat of audits. I knew this was happening so you know Obama did too. So basically, the civil rights of half the population were ignored giving us a fraudulent election.
>>
>> Can this be fixed? Not by firing a couple of low level people, not even by firing Holder, not even by throwing Hillary under the bus. The knowledge that our elections have become a sham will obviously lead to political violence unless serious steps are taken.
>>
>> The Obama regime can crack down and further impose a police state leading to civil war or Obama can resign in shame. Even impeachment won't solve the problem as his believers would not accept an impeachment and those of us who voted against him will not accept anything short of his removal.
>>
>> Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
>
>I dont even own a gun.
Better buy one then, and don't get one of those silly AR-15 things,
they're only any use if you also have friends with proper support
weapons...
wrote:
>On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:00:56 PM UTC-4, ohar...@mindspring.com wrote:
>> So far we know that the administration lied to us in order to not make Obama look bad over Benghazi before the election. Maybe not illegal but sufficiently dishonest as to make the election nearly a fraud.
>>
>> We know that "Somebody" kept any rescue operation from even getting started. If that person(s) happen to be Obama or Clinton, still not illegal, just bad judgement.
>>
>> Then we know that the IRS was used as a wing of the Democratic party suppressing the vote for Romney and seriously discouraging any political activity by Obama opponents with the threat of audits. I knew this was happening so you know Obama did too. So basically, the civil rights of half the population were ignored giving us a fraudulent election.
>>
>> Can this be fixed? Not by firing a couple of low level people, not even by firing Holder, not even by throwing Hillary under the bus. The knowledge that our elections have become a sham will obviously lead to political violence unless serious steps are taken.
>>
>> The Obama regime can crack down and further impose a police state leading to civil war or Obama can resign in shame. Even impeachment won't solve the problem as his believers would not accept an impeachment and those of us who voted against him will not accept anything short of his removal.
>>
>> Unless a miracle happens to make Obama look good, his resignation looks like the only way to avoid civil war.
>
>I dont even own a gun.
they're only any use if you also have friends with proper support
weapons...
ohar...@mindspring.com
May 17, 2013, 11:29:09 AM5/17/13
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On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:00:56 PM UTC-4, ohar...@mindspring.com wrote:
You think this is absurd? The IRS actively suppressed any political activity by opponents of Obama and gave favorable treatment to Obama allies. Opponents of Obama were selectively audited and threatened with audits and this was a nationwide effort by the IRS coordinated from the very top. Under Obamacare, the IRS will control who gets fined for unapproved health care plans and who gets subsidized. We can guarantee that the Dems will use this to cause the demise of their opponents just as they have used the IRS in this election. The message is "Vote for Obama or Die". Many people will choose to fight instead and they will have my support.
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La N.
May 18, 2013, 1:43:25 AM5/18/13
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"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I've been having trouble of late up here in the Republic of Canuckistan
keeping up with all the American conspiracy theories flowing from the Dems,
GOP and Libertarians. Might as well just sit my popcorn and see how this all
plays out .. :). Good to see you, Bill, one of the more intelligent Usenet
posters. You have waaaaaay more patience than *moi*.
- nilita
Eugene Griessel
May 18, 2013, 3:28:55 AM5/18/13
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Op Fri, 17 May 2013 22:43:25 -0700, "La N."
Eugene L Griessel
<nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Good to see you, Bill, one of the more intelligent Usenet
>posters. You have waaaaaay more patience than *moi*.
It also helps that he is a masochist.
>Good to see you, Bill, one of the more intelligent Usenet
>posters. You have waaaaaay more patience than *moi*.
Eugene L Griessel
Bill
May 18, 2013, 8:37:37 AM5/18/13
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right keeps twisting itself into to justify their positions.
Uncle Steve
May 18, 2013, 9:08:18 AM5/18/13
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largest big lies to stand unquestioned. Your own base hypocricy is
equal to any of "the right".
Regards,
Uncle Steve
--
There should be a special word in the English language to identify
people who create problems and then turn around and offer up their own
tailor-made bogus non-solutions designed to completely avoid the root
causes of the situation under consideration. 'Traitor' might be a
good choice, but lacks the requisite specificity. One of the problems
with contemporary English is it lacks many such words that would
otherwise categorically identify certain kinds of person, place, or
thing -- making it difficult or impossible to think analytically about
such objects. These shortcomings of the English lexicon are
representative of Orwellian linguistics at work in the real world.
Bill
May 18, 2013, 9:29:46 AM5/18/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:08:18 -0400, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 01:37:37PM +0100, Bill wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:28:55 +0200, Eugene Griessel
>> <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> >Op Fri, 17 May 2013 22:43:25 -0700, "La N."
>> ><nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Good to see you, Bill, one of the more intelligent Usenet
>> >>posters. You have waaaaaay more patience than *moi*.
>> >
>> >It also helps that he is a masochist.
>>
>> I'm not, but I'm endlessly amused by the dreadful contortions the
>> right keeps twisting itself into to justify their positions.
>
>Yet you provide tacit support to "the right" since you allow their
>largest big lies to stand unquestioned. Your own base hypocricy is
>equal to any of "the right".
Right, that's it.
Execute Operation WEATHER
Agent THUNDER will activate the mind control equipment.
Agent LIGHTENING will activate the telephone monitoring systems.
Agent RAIN will impose a complete surveillance regime, every move of
this one will be followed, videoed and filed away.
Agent WIND, all mail, physical and electronic, will be intercepted.
Agent HAIL, you will ensure that all operation security is in place,
although we can accept a short delay in mail reception.
Agent SNOW, you will emplace assassins with the appropriate long
range weapons in such location that the subject can be eliminated with
the minimum time delay if this proves necessary.
wrote:
>On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 01:37:37PM +0100, Bill wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:28:55 +0200, Eugene Griessel
>> <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> >Op Fri, 17 May 2013 22:43:25 -0700, "La N."
>> ><nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Good to see you, Bill, one of the more intelligent Usenet
>> >>posters. You have waaaaaay more patience than *moi*.
>> >
>> >It also helps that he is a masochist.
>>
>> I'm not, but I'm endlessly amused by the dreadful contortions the
>> right keeps twisting itself into to justify their positions.
>
>Yet you provide tacit support to "the right" since you allow their
>largest big lies to stand unquestioned. Your own base hypocricy is
>equal to any of "the right".
Execute Operation WEATHER
Agent THUNDER will activate the mind control equipment.
Agent LIGHTENING will activate the telephone monitoring systems.
Agent RAIN will impose a complete surveillance regime, every move of
this one will be followed, videoed and filed away.
Agent WIND, all mail, physical and electronic, will be intercepted.
Agent HAIL, you will ensure that all operation security is in place,
although we can accept a short delay in mail reception.
Agent SNOW, you will emplace assassins with the appropriate long
range weapons in such location that the subject can be eliminated with
the minimum time delay if this proves necessary.
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george152
May 18, 2013, 4:42:04 PM5/18/13
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On 19/05/13 00:37, Bill wrote:
> I'm not, but I'm endlessly amused by the dreadful contortions the
> right keeps twisting itself into to justify their positions.
>
Make that both sides and you wont be far wrong
> I'm not, but I'm endlessly amused by the dreadful contortions the
> right keeps twisting itself into to justify their positions.
>
Uncle Steve
May 27, 2013, 5:24:45 AM5/27/13
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one might be able to laugh at your evasion. Attempting to speak to
people like you about religion is a futile undertaking. Your
inability to discuss the matter in a reasoned, rational way is
reminiscent of classic Victorian prudishness regarding matters
pertaining to sex. Perhaps this is because the business of religion
is orders of magnitude filthier than the most prurient erotica
imaginable.
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Uncle Steve
May 27, 2013, 4:12:53 PM5/27/13
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> indeed difficult. Sort of by definition. If they were "reasoned" and
> "rational" you wouldn't be the paranoid loon you are.
Category error. Typical for your reasoning non-ability, though.
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