Is John McCain Stupid?
D. Spencer Hines
By DANIEL HENNINGER
The Wall Street Journal
Is John McCain Stupid?
July 31, 2008
Is John McCain losing it?
On Sunday, he said on national television that to solve Social Security
"everything's on the table," which of course means raising payroll taxes. On
July 7 in Denver he said: "Senator Obama will raise your taxes. I won't."
This isn't a flip-flop. It's a sex-change operation.
He got back to the subject Tuesday in Reno, Nev. Reporters asked about the
Sunday tax comments. Mr. McCain replied, "The worst thing you could do is
raise people's payroll taxes, my God!" Then he was asked about working with
Democrats to fix Social Security, and he repeated, "everything has to be on
the table." But how can . . .? Oh never mind.
Yesterday he was in Aurora, Colo., to wit: "On Social Security, he [Sen.
Obama] wants to raise Social Security taxes. I am opposed to raising taxes
on Social Security. I want to fix the system without raising taxes."
What I'm asking is, does John McCain have the mental focus, the intellectual
discipline, to avoid being out-slicked by Barack Obama, if he isn't
abandoned by his own voters?
It's not just taxes. Recently the subject came up of Al Gore's assertion
that the U.S. could get its energy solely from renewables in 10 years. Sen.
McCain said: "If the vice president says it's doable, I believe it's
doable." What!!?? In a later interview, Mr. McCain said he hadn't read "all
the specifics" of the Gore plan and now, "I don't think it's doable without
nuclear power." It just sounds loopy.
Then this week in San Francisco, in an interview with the Chronicle, Sen.
McCain called Nancy Pelosi an "inspiration to millions of Americans."
Notwithstanding his promises to "work with the other side," this is a
politically obtuse thing to say in the middle of a campaign. Would Bill
Clinton, running for president in 1996 after losing control of the House,
have called Newt Gingrich an "inspiration"? House Minority Leader John
Boehner, facing a 10-to-20 seat loss in November, must be gagging.
The one thing -- arguably the only thing -- the McCain candidacy has going
for it is a sense among voters that they don't know what Barack Obama stands
for or believes. Why then would Mr. McCain give voters reason to wonder the
same thing about himself? You're supposed to sow doubt about the other guy,
not do it to yourself.
Yes, Sen. McCain must somehow appeal to independents and blue-collar Hillary
Democrats. A degree of pandering to the center is inevitable. But this stuff
isn't pandering; it's simply stupid. Al Gore's own climate allies separated
themselves from his preposterous free-of-oil-in-10-years whopper. Sen.
McCain saying off-handedly that it's "doable" is, in a word, thoughtless.
Pelosi heads a House with a 9% approval. To let her off the hook before the
election reflects similar loss of thought.
The forces arrayed against Sen. McCain's candidacy are formidable: an
unpopular president, the near impossibility of extending Republican White
House rule for three terms, the GOP trailing in races at every level, a
listless fundraising base, doubtful sentiments about the war, a flailing
economy.
The generic Democratic presidential candidate should win handily. Barack
Obama, though vulnerable at the margin, is a very strong candidate. This
will be a turnout election. To win, Mr. McCain needs every Republican vote
he can hold.
Why make it harder than it has to be? Given such statements on Social
Security taxes, Al Gore and the "inspirational" Speaker Pelosi, is there a
reason why Rush Limbaugh should not spend August teeing off on Mr. McCain?
Why as well shouldn't the Obama camp exploit all of this? If Sen. Obama's
"inexperience" is Mr. McCain's ace in the hole, why not trump that by
asking, "Does Sen. McCain know his own mind?"
* * *
In this sports-crazed country, everyone has learned a lot about what it
takes to win. They've heard and seen it proven repeatedly that to achieve
greatness, to win the big one, an athlete has to be ready to "put in the
work."
John McCain isn't doing that, yet. He's competing as if he expects the other
side to lose it for him. Sen. McCain is a famously undisciplined politician.
Someone in the McCain circle had better do some straight talking to the
candidate. He's not some 19-year-old tennis player who's going to win the
U.S. presidential Open on raw talent and the other guy's errors. He's not
that good.
There is a reason the American people the past 100 years elevated only two
sitting senators into the White House -- JFK and Warren Harding.
And BOTH were disappointments. GOVERNORS do FAR better, for obvious
reasons.-- DSH
It's because they believe most senators, adept at compulsive compromise,
have no
political compass and will sell them out.
VERY PERCEPTIVE. But this time they will HAVE to elect a sitting
Senator. -- DSH
Now voters have to do what they prefer not to. Yes, Sen. McCain has honor
and country. Another month of illogical, impolitic remarks and Sen. McCain
will erase even that. Absent a coherent message for voters, he will be
one-on-one with Barack Obama in the fall. He will lose.
Tiger
Social security is the topic nobody wants to discuss. The AARP votes
and votes a lot. The baby boomers are close to collection ( my dad turns
63 in Oct.). At 37 I have doubts of getting any in 30 years. We can
raise taxes. Cut benefits; or raise the age so high, we all die before
we get paid. Pick your poison?
erilar
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
J A
the ball.
Past the rah rah, can do, he comes up empty.
Here's what he's doing in all his recent contradictory statements -
unthinking "feel good dummy button" pushing.
Pelosi's a woman - talk nice to get the womens' vote; taxes bad, social
security good, different dummy button statements; and so forth.
Like Bush, he's in over his head.
Unlike Bush, he won't be "handled", unless his energy gives out, he's fairly
old, and these campaigns and the Presidency are constant high stress.
If he gets elected, we could be in for a really interesting 4 years.
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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David E. Powell
hard on energy, and the Congress taking a powder in the middle of the
summer driving season is helping him, but hey - if the Dems make a
slip he will take it.
Dennis
> yes
>
What about DSH?
Dennis
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
Gas is down 30 cents locally, oil nearly at the next "crisis" point of
$121 a barrel. By November everyone will be praising Bush for his
management of the problem.
Jack Linthicum
Well, he seems to have volunteered his multi-millionaire wife for a
minimally topless and oftimes full frontal beauty contest at the
biggest biker rally in the States.
Raymond O'Hara
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:30008f91-1f84-43b8...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
funny how his wife being a mega-millionaire isn't the issue the way Theresa
Heinz was for Kerry.
and at a biker rally you'd think she'd be the star
Vincent Brannigan
McCain dumped his crippled wife and married rich
Those are Solid Republican values
no problem
Vince
J A
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:M_CdnW-FEom8WQXV...@rcn.net...
Nah.
She's a geriatric barby doll with caked on make-up.
Jack Linthicum
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:30008f91-1f84-43b8...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 5:07 pm, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >> yes
>
> >> --
> >> Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
>
> >> You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
> >> that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
>
> >> Erilar's Cave Annex:http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
>
> > Well, he seems to have volunteered his multi-millionaire wife for a
> > minimally topless and oftimes full frontal beauty contest at the
> > biggest biker rally in the States.
>
>
> funny how his wife being a mega-millionaire isn't the issue the way Theresa
> Heinz was for Kerry.
>
> and at a biker rally you'd think she'd be the star
There is a difference between Heinz tomato sauce and Budweiser.
Billzz
But not much....
So the head of Anheuser-Busch, Coors, and Guinness were at the beer
convention, and at lunch found themselves at the same table.
The waiter asked for drinks, and the head of Anheuser said he'd have a Bud
Light. The head of Coors said he'd have a Coors lite, and the head of
Guinness said he'd have a Coke.
"A Coke?" Asked the waiter.
"Well," said the head of Guinness, "I thought as long as the two gentlemen
were not drinking beer, I wouldn't either."
william boyd
--
Posted by HOPPIE, 30 Years Active Duty ,11 Campaigns Vietnam, 100% DAV,
Life Member; Am.Lgn,DAV,VFW,AFSA,VVA.
Raymond O'Hara
that's why i said the bikers would love her. she's the "beer lady"
Raymond O'Hara
"Vincent Brannigan" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
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"family values"
Raymond O'Hara
"J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
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>> funny how his wife being a mega-millionaire isn't the issue the way
>> Theresa Heinz was for Kerry.
>>
>> and at a biker rally you'd think she'd be the star
>
> Nah.
>
> She's a geriatric barby doll with caked on make-up.
>
>
>
she has one of the largest beer distributorships in america.
bikers, beer , see the connection.
J A
Not unless she's giving the brown tooths freebies.
>
>
frank
torresD
torresD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORsn2pKe1TE&feature=user
Why don't the authorities just put a stop to it?
Locking up the sexual predators and providing the
children with a safe haven with responsible, caring adults,
would go a long way to putting a stop to this horrendous
behaviour.
_ Prof. Jonez _
Then where would the Repugnikkkans get their thrills ?
Charlie Wolf
<fir...@firelaw.us> wrote:
>
>McCain dumped his crippled wife and married rich
I guess we would need to have you post your credentials citing your
expertise on John McCains first marriage. Do you know something we
don't? Are you some kind of expert in the McCains marital affairs?
Do you have access to family counseling records that would lead you to
side with McCains ex-wife? HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: What if - and
this is pure conjecture - What if the first Mrs. McCain was unfaithful
during McCains captivity in Vietnam? I'm only proposing a scenario
here that might provide some fodder for fucking idiots like you to
butt out of McCain's personal life.
It occurs to me that McCains ex has been suspiciously silent about the
Senator's bid for the Presidency. If she had something juicy - don't
you think she'd be screaming from the mountain tops about now?
I applaud Mrs. McCain #1 for having the decency to remain silent. I
also applaud her for the agony she must have gone through while her
husband was in the hands of brutal communist socialists (like you).
She has obviously decided that her first marriage is just that - a
first marriage. And she has obviously moved on - I would hope, to a
happier existance.
>Those are Solid Republican values
>no problem
And Clinton fucked an intern in the Oval Office. While he was working
as a US government employee... In a federally owned building. Your
point is??? It was NOT his own personal business. Any other
government employee would have been immediately FIRED for doing what
Clinton did. They also would have been charged with aggravated sexual
harrassment.
That - you fucking idiot - is what I call "a problem".
Regards,
>
>Vince
!Jones
Sheep, I suppose.
Jones
D. Spencer Hines
news:fi2k941dk99ptju4e...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:26:00 GMT, Vincent Brannigan
> <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote:
>
>>McCain dumped his crippled wife and married rich
> I guess we would need to have you post your credentials citing your
> expertise on John McCains first marriage. Do you know something we
> don't? Are you some kind of expert in the McCains marital affairs?
> Do you have access to family counseling records that would lead you to
> side with McCains ex-wife? HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: What if - and
> this is pure conjecture - What if the first Mrs. McCain was unfaithful
> during McCains captivity in Vietnam? I'm only proposing a scenario
> here that might provide some fodder for fucking idiots like you to
> butt out of McCain's personal life.
>
> It occurs to me that McCains ex has been suspiciously silent about the
> Senator's bid for the Presidency. If she had something juicy - don't
> you think she'd be screaming from the mountain tops about now?
She's quite openly said she is a strong supporter of John McCain in his
Presidential race.
Brannigan is just bloviating again... Shyster Lawyer Tactics.
Raymond O'Hara
> <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>McCain dumped his crippled wife and married rich
> I guess we would need to have you post your credentials citing your
> expertise on John McCains first marriage. Do you know something we
> don't? Are you some kind of expert in the McCains marital affairs?
> Do you have access to family counseling records that would lead you to
> side with McCains ex-wife? HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: What if - and
> this is pure conjecture - What if the first Mrs. McCain was unfaithful
> during McCains captivity in Vietnam? I'm only proposing a scenario
> here that might provide some fodder for fucking idiots like you to
> butt out of McCain's personal life.
The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind
By Sharon Churcher
Last updated at 1:45 AM on 08th June 2008
McCain likes to illustrate his moral fibre by referring to his five years as
a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam. And to demonstrate his commitment to family
values, the 71-year-old former US Navy pilot pays warm tribute to his
beautiful blonde wife, Cindy, with whom he has four children.
But there is another Mrs McCain who casts a ghostly shadow over the Senator's
presidential campaign. She is seldom seen and rarely written about, despite
being mother to McCain's three eldest children.
And yet, had events turned out differently, it would be she, rather than
Cindy, who would be vying to be First Lady. She is McCain's first wife,
Carol, who was a famous beauty and a successful swimwear model when they
married in 1965.
She was the woman McCain dreamed of during his long incarceration and
torture in Vietnam's infamous 'Hanoi Hilton' prison and the woman who
faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously
for news.
But when McCain returned to America in 1973 to a fanfare of publicity and a
handshake from Richard Nixon, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in
a terrible car crash three years earlier. Her car had skidded on icy roads
into a telegraph pole on Christmas Eve, 1969. Her pelvis and one arm were
shattered by the impact and she suffered massive internal injuries.
When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving
surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it
her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to
use a catheter.
Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain
came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little
resemblance to her old self.
Today, she stands at just 5ft4in and still walks awkwardly, with a
pronounced limp. Her body is held together by screws and metal plates and,
at 70, her face is worn by wrinkles that speak of decades of silent
suffering.
For nearly 30 years, Carol has maintained a dignified silence about the
accident, McCain and their divorce. But last week at the bungalow where she
now lives at Virginia Beach, a faded seaside resort 200 miles south of
Washington, she told The Mail on Sunday how McCain divorced her in 1980 and
married Cindy, 18 years his junior and the heir to an Arizona brewing
fortune, just one month later
J A
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
Personally, I would cut McCain some slack on this.
He didn't divorce his injured first wife for 7 years.
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HY6dnehq_fINzgfV...@rcn.net...
D. Spencer Hines
she agreed to talk to The Mail on Sunday only because she wanted to
publicise her support for the man who abandoned her."
"Indeed, the old Mercedes that she uses to run errands displays both a
disabled badge and a sticker encouraging people to vote for her ex-husband.
‘He’s a good guy,’ she assured us. ‘We are still good friends. He is the
best man for president.’"
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Raymond O'Hara
> You left off the last half that does make him look pretty bad.
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
>
> Personally, I would cut McCain some slack on this.
>
> He didn't divorce his injured first wife for 7 years.
>
>
7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just 1
month.
J A
Yeh, who doesn't fuck around?
Raymond O'Hara
jimmy carter.{and ironically who had more reason}
D. Spencer Hines
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
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tankfixer
oh...@hotmail.com says...
You make assumptions
--
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.
Renia
> yes
>
Who is John McCain? Do Brits care?
Renia
> Particularly after 5 1/2 years in a stinking Vietnamese prison.
You'd know, would you?
Moishe Oysher
<paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote:
>In article <-ZWdnYVegdg48gfV...@rcn.net>, raymond-
>oh...@hotmail.com says...
>>
>> "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
>> news:68OdnUij2tRfxAfV...@earthlink.com...
>> > You left off the last half that does make him look pretty bad.
>> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
>> >
>> > Personally, I would cut McCain some slack on this.
>> >
>> > He didn't divorce his injured first wife for 7 years.
>>
>> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just 1
>> month.
>
>You make assumptions
It's what he does best, after all.
Jack Linthicum
> In <MPG.2304a4facfa8007e989...@nntp.earthlink.net>, tankfixer
>
>
>
> <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote:
> >In article <-ZWdnYVegdg48gfVnZ2dnUVZ_tbin...@rcn.net>, raymond-
> >oh...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >> "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
> >>news:68OdnUij2tRfxAfV...@earthlink.com...
> >> > You left off the last half that does make him look pretty bad.
>
> >> > Personally, I would cut McCain some slack on this.
>
> >> > He didn't divorce his injured first wife for 7 years.
>
> >> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just 1
> >> month.
>
> >You make assumptions
>
> It's what he does best, after all.
It was about 15 months
Jack Linthicum
His favorite song is "Bomb-bomb-bomb Iran"
D. Spencer Hines
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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Horvath
>
>> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just 1
>> month.
>
>Yeh, who doesn't fuck around?
Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
Or iffen yo an Obama supportuh. "He nevuh had sex wif dat womman."
::)
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
Vincent Brannigan
my goodness another racist republican
how unsurprising
Vince
La N
"Vincent Brannigan" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
news:XGXmk.520$T91.68@trnddc04...
Yup. There are a couple or so of them in the vietnam group. Heaven forbid
they would ever have to serve in the military with a "Negro."
- nilita
tankfixer
You know they have drugs for those knee jerks now.
tankfixer
says...
For all you know those making the comment ARE....
!Jones
<Hor...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote:
>Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
It doesn't count if she didn't swallow.
>Or iffen yo an Obama supportuh. "He nevuh had sex wif dat womman."
Drop that. It's offensive to any sentient being.
Jones
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Vincent Brannigan" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
:news:XGXmk.520$T91.68@trnddc04...
:>
:> my goodness another racist republican
:>
:> how unsurprising
:>
:
:Yup. There are a couple or so of them in the vietnam group. Heaven forbid
:they would ever have to serve in the military with a "Negro."
:
My goodness, another couple 'non-racist' liberals who overcompensate
for their own racism by using it as an accusation against people whose
politics they don't like.
How unsurprising. Play the race card some more...
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
La N
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
news:MPG.2305f5bba...@nntp.earthlink.net...
> In article <MWXmk.5397$nu6.724@edtnps83>, nilita20...@yahoo.com
> says...
>>
>> "Vincent Brannigan" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
>> news:XGXmk.520$T91.68@trnddc04...
>> > Horvath wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:52:21 -0700, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote this crap:
>> >>
>> >>>> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just
>> >>>> 1
>> >>>> month.
>> >>> Yeh, who doesn't fuck around?
>> >>
>> >> Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>> >>
>> >> Or iffen yo an Obama supportuh. "He nevuh had sex wif dat womman."
>> >>
>> >> ::)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hor...@Horvath.net
>> >>
>> >> My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
>> >> ultimate power in the universe."
>> >
>> >
>> > my goodness another racist republican
>> >
>> > how unsurprising
>> >
>>
>> Yup. There are a couple or so of them in the vietnam group. Heaven
>> forbid
>> they would ever have to serve in the military with a "Negro."
>
> For all you know those making the comment ARE....
>
>
Hoppy is white (seen his photo), and Horvath is hungarian white.
- nilita, of a mixed black and white family
La N
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:A_Ymk.5407$nu6.3039@edtnps83...
And, btw, Tanky, I don't know of any Stepin Fetchit type blacks. That's a
30s American stereotype that some whites tend to drag up for cheap laughs.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:A_Ymk.5407$nu6.3039@edtnps83...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.2305f5bba...@nntp.earthlink.net...
> >> In article <MWXmk.5397$nu6.724@edtnps83>, nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com
> >> says...
>
> >>> "Vincent Brannigan" <fire...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
> >>>news:XGXmk.520$T91.68@trnddc04...
> >>> > Horvath wrote:
> >>> >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:52:21 -0700, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >>> >>>> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after
> >>> >>>> just 1
> >>> >>>> month.
> >>> >>> Yeh, who doesn't fuck around?
>
> >>> >> Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>
> >>> >> Or iffen yo an Obama supportuh. "He nevuh had sex wif dat womman."
>
> >>> >> ::)
>
>
> >>> >> My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
> >>> >> ultimate power in the universe."
>
> >>> > my goodness another racist republican
>
> >>> > how unsurprising
>
> >>> Yup. There are a couple or so of them in the vietnam group. Heaven
> >>> forbid
> >>> they would ever have to serve in the military with a "Negro."
>
> >> For all you know those making the comment ARE....
>
> > Hoppy is white (seen his photo), and Horvath is hungarian white.
>
> > - nilita, of a mixed black and white family
>
> And, btw, Tanky, I don't know of any Stepin Fetchit type blacks. That's a
> 30s American stereotype that some whites tend to drag up for cheap laughs.
>
> - nilita
Then they find the guy is Morgan Fairchild and worth several hundred
million bucks.
Jack Linthicum
>
> news:A_Ymk.5407$nu6.3039@edtnps83...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.2305f5bba...@nntp.earthlink.net...> >>> "Vincent Brannigan" <fire...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
> >>>news:XGXmk.520$T91.68@trnddc04...
> >>> > Horvath wrote:
> >>> >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:52:21 -0700, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >>> >>>> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after
> >>> >>>> just 1
> >>> >>>> month.
> >>> >>> Yeh, who doesn't fuck around?
>
> >>> >> Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>
> >>> >> Or iffen yo an Obama supportuh. "He nevuh had sex wif dat womman."
>
> >>> >> ::)
>
>
> >>> >> My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
> >>> >> ultimate power in the universe."
>
> >>> > my goodness another racist republican
>
> >>> > how unsurprising
>
> >>> Yup. There are a couple or so of them in the vietnam group. Heaven
> >>> forbid
> >>> they would ever have to serve in the military with a "Negro."
>
> >> For all you know those making the comment ARE....
>
> > Hoppy is white (seen his photo), and Horvath is hungarian white.
>
> > - nilita, of a mixed black and white family
>
> And, btw, Tanky, I don't know of any Stepin Fetchit type blacks. That's a
> 30s American stereotype that some whites tend to drag up for cheap laughs.
>
> - nilita
Sorry, hit the send before I put this on:
Stepin Fetchit was the stage name of American comedian and film actor
Lincoln Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry (May 30, 1902–November 19, 1985).
Perry parlayed the Fetchit persona into a successful film career,
eventually becoming a millionaire, the first black actor in history to
do so.
La N
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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**************************************
Yup. I know the history.
- nilita
La N
Morgan Fairchild ... hmmm ... lovely blonde "C" actress .. heheheeh:
http://www.morganfairchild.com/
- nilita
Raymond O'Hara
> Then they find the guy is Morgan Fairchild and worth several hundred
> million bucks.
I think you mean morgan freeman
La N
I think Jack was thinking with the wrong head ...;p
- nil
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:c35a6fc9-c520-4af2-b6c5->
>
> > Then they find the guy is Morgan Fairchild and worth several hundred
> > million bucks.
>
> I think you mean morgan freeman
Whatever
Andrew Swallow
John McCain is the Republican Party (right wing) candidate for the U.S.
presidency. Brits care if he wins - after all he then becomes Gordon
Browns new best friend.
Andrew Swallow
Raymond O'Hara
there is a slight difference, freeman hasn't had a nose and boob job,{yet}
D. Spencer Hines
what-me-care reports from Athens, is a complete, vacuous naïf when it comes
to International Politics and National Security issues....
Don't expect too much from her.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Horvath
<fir...@firelaw.us> wrote this crap:
>Horvath wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:52:21 -0700, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>>>> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just 1
>>>> month.
>>> Yeh, who doesn't fuck around?
>>
>> Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>>
>> Or iffen yo an Obama supportuh. "He nevuh had sex wif dat womman."
>>
>> ::)
>
>my goodness another racist republican
>
>how unsurprising
>
>Vince
What's racist about supporting Obama?
Horvath
tankfixer
says...
> On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:04:37 -0400, in alt.war.vietnam Horvath
> <Hor...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote:
>
> >Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>
> It doesn't count if she didn't swallow.
He didn't have sex with "that" woman and he smoked pot but didn't
inhale, crist folks why would anyone elect someone THAT freeking dumb ?
tankfixer
tankfixer
says...
Where did I say you did ?
I know it's an old stereotype, it's been used by comedians for years.
tankfixer
34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, jackli...@earthlink.net says...
> Perry parlayed the Fetchit persona into a successful film career,
> eventually becoming a millionaire, the first black actor in history to
> do so.
Didn't know that bit, thanks
Darn you jack, you made me learn something today.
Renia
> He MAY be the next Leader of the Free World.
I'd rather have Bartlet.
Renia
Won't matter. Gord won't be there.
Renia
> Renia Simmonds, our resident Brit Expatriatrix filing her cunniculan-pygan,
> what-me-care reports from Athens, is a complete, vacuous naïf when it comes
> to International Politics and National Security issues....
>
> Don't expect too much from her.
Do you honestly think I don't know who John McCain is? You're dumber
than I thought.
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:
As usual, Jack Linthicum gets it wrong.
Oddly, Nilita manages to correct him.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Charlie Wolf
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
>news:68OdnUij2tRfxAfV...@earthlink.com...
>> You left off the last half that does make him look pretty bad.
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
>>
>> Personally, I would cut McCain some slack on this.
>>
>> He didn't divorce his injured first wife for 7 years.
>>
>>
>
> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just 1
>month.
Hey ray - why do you seem to have a problem with adultery NOW. You
didn't seem to have any trouble with it when Clinton was fucking an
intern in the Oval Office while he was working???
Regards,
>
Fred J. McCall
:In article <5alo94hf73ejhujil...@4ax.com>, h...@there.org
:says...
:> On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:04:37 -0400, in alt.war.vietnam Horvath
:> <Hor...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote:
:>
:> >Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
:>
:> It doesn't count if she didn't swallow.
:
:He didn't have sex with "that" woman and he smoked pot but didn't
:inhale, crist folks why would anyone elect someone THAT freeking dumb ?
:
It could have been worse. He could have been having to claim that he
didn't inhale that woman when he 'smoked' her and didn't have sex with
that pot...
--
You are
What you do
When it counts.
!Jones
<paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote:
>> >Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>>
>> It doesn't count if she didn't swallow.
>
>He didn't have sex with "that" woman and he smoked pot but didn't
>inhale, crist folks why would anyone elect someone THAT freeking dumb ?
Clinton is not dumb; in fact, he is one of the more intelligent
presidents... morally reprobate, but highly intelligent.
Jones
D. Spencer Hines
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Charlie Wolf" <cw...@pleasenomail.net> wrote in message
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tankfixer
La N
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
> In article <7r2q9457334qnt8fk...@4ax.com>, h...@there.org
> says...
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:48:05 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam tankfixer
>> <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>> >>
>> >> It doesn't count if she didn't swallow.
>> >
>> >He didn't have sex with "that" woman and he smoked pot but didn't
>> >inhale, crist folks why would anyone elect someone THAT freeking dumb ?
>>
>> Clinton is not dumb; in fact, he is one of the more intelligent
>> presidents... morally reprobate, but highly intelligent.
>>
>
> Whoosh
>
What's with the "whoosh". He must be highly intelligent to have captured
the Office 2 times in a row and to leave Office with a high popularity
rating. So what makes him *not* intelligent? The fact that he lied?
Well, duh. Pretty much most, if not all, politicos lie. I invite you to
name an exception.
- nilita
La N
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
For some reason, I haven't seen it used *in* years.
btw, my black kin/friends would not be offended. They would just think your
buddies who crack these kinds of "jokes" are idiots.
- nilita
tankfixer
says...
Why is you assume anyone who doesn't agree with you is my buddie ?
If your black friends wouldn't be offended then why are you making such
a stink about an old joke ?
tankfixer
says...
I was attempting a joke that Clinton was so stupid he didn't know how to
smoke pot or have sex.
Sorry it all went over your ehads.
La N
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
What is this making a stink business. It's a stinky joke. The type you
might hear from a white Republican. In another group, a (white) Republican
thought he was making a funny when he said that Michelle Obama would look
better with a bone through her nose. Nobody laughed.
Anyway, Jonesy understands. You don't.
- nilita
Fred J. McCall
:
:"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
:news:MPG.2306bd6d8...@nntp.earthlink.net...
:> In article <7r2q9457334qnt8fk...@4ax.com>, h...@there.org
:> says...
:>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:48:05 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam tankfixer
:>> <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote:
:>>
:>> >> >Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
:>> >>
:>> >> It doesn't count if she didn't swallow.
:>> >
:>> >He didn't have sex with "that" woman and he smoked pot but didn't
:>> >inhale, crist folks why would anyone elect someone THAT freeking dumb ?
:>>
:>> Clinton is not dumb; in fact, he is one of the more intelligent
:>> presidents... morally reprobate, but highly intelligent.
:>>
:>
:> Whoosh
:>
:
:What's with the "whoosh".
:
This ('?') is a question mark. Your sentence above should have ended
with one.
Now let me help you out.
Posit, if you will, a fellow who, when confronted by a cute lass
wearing her "Presidential kneepads" and her mouth open, does NOT have
sex with the wench. Posit further this same fellow at a party where
everyone is having a good time and getting stoned and he doesn't
inhale.
Said fellow must be dead from the neck up...
You getting it yet, Knee Lita?
Fred J. McCall
:
:"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
Unless, of course, they too were black.
Now how racist is THAT?
--
"This philosophy of hate, of religious and racial intolerance,
with its passionate urge toward war, is loose in the world.
It is the enemy of democracy; it is the enemy of all the
fruitful and spiritual sides of life. It is our responsibility,
as individuals and organizations, to resist this."
-- Mary Heaton Vorse
La N
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
This is so ripe. My late daddy used to have a joke about people being so
very "open minded", and it related to the busing situation.
Here it goes ....
So, once upon a time a bus driver was receiving passengers into his vehicle
when he heard a kerfuffle among the passengers, the whites insisting the
"negros" go to the back of the bus.
The driver, using the best of his conflict resolution skills, yelled to the
passengers: "Okay, that's it! For now on, there are no whites or blacks -
we're all greens!"
So, peace reigned for all of 2 minutes until the driver yelled, "Okay - the
dark greens go to the back and the light greens to the front!"
pa da bim!
- nilita
Fred J. McCall
:In article <ff9nk.4922$%b7.4116@edtnps82>, nilita20...@yahoo.com
:
Because for Leftards like Kneel Eata, it is impossible to conceive
that anyone who disagrees with them is not vile and evil, and hence
they must all be part of the same conspiracy against Truth, Justice,
and the Candahoovian Way.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
Horvath
wrote this crap:
>>
>> Hoppy is white (seen his photo), and Horvath is hungarian white.
>>
>> - nilita, of a mixed black and white family
>
>No one, IMHO is "white"
I am. 100%
William Black
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
> He didn't have sex with "that" woman and he smoked pot but didn't
> inhale, crist folks why would anyone elect someone THAT freeking dumb ?
He wasn't dumb. he was a liar.
The people who voted for him were dumb...
Or, just perhaps, it was so blindingly obvious that he was a head and
shoulders cleverer and more sophisticated than the man he was fighting and
people voted for him because he was obviously the best man for the job.
I mean, look at the current two, wouldn't you rather have Slick Willy
back?
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
William Black
"Horvath" <Hor...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote in message
news:ooqq94dmmbnstnv6l...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:49:06 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.comm>
> wrote this crap:
>
>>>
>>> Hoppy is white (seen his photo), and Horvath is hungarian white.
>>>
>>> - nilita, of a mixed black and white family
>>
>>No one, IMHO is "white"
>
>
> I am. 100%
Put the words 'mitochondrial eve' into a search engine near you and learn
something...
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> "Horvath" <Horv...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ooqq94dmmbnstnv6l...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:49:06 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.comm>
> > wrote this crap:
>
> >>> Hoppy is white (seen his photo), and Horvath is hungarian white.
>
> >>> - nilita, of a mixed black and white family
>
> >>No one, IMHO is "white"
>
> > I am. 100%
>
> Put the words 'mitochondrial eve' into a search engine near you and learn
> something...
>
> --
> William Black
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.
Get a DNA test made, the Native Americans use it to see if you can
share in the Casino wealth but you might learn something anyway.
Horvath
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote this crap:
>
>I mean, look at the current two, wouldn't you rather have Slick Willy
>back?
Fucking, Oh MY God! NO! NO!
NO! NO!
NO!
Horvath
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote this crap:
>>>
>>>No one, IMHO is "white"
>>
>>
>> I am. 100%
>
>Put the words 'mitochondrial eve' into a search engine near you and learn
>something...
should I put, "jibberish," next to that?
!Jones
<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>This ('?') is a question mark. Your sentence above should have ended
>with one.
I would have written it differently.
"This is a question mark: '?'; your sentence above should have ended
with one."
Actually, I probably wouldn't have written anything at all unless it
was an essay that it was my responsibility to grade; I would suggest
that your tone sounds a little pedantic.
Jones
William Black
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:16:00 +0100, "William Black"
> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote this crap:
>
>>
>>I mean, look at the current two, wouldn't you rather have Slick Willy
>>back?
>
>
> Fucking, Oh MY God! NO! NO!
>
> NO! NO!
>
> NO!
>
See what I mean.
As president he was a tremendous success.
As a person he had obvious flaws, as does every man.
You now have a choice between a geriatric with health problems who's
obviously far too old to even consider a job that is stressful and will last
at least four years and some slick academic lawyer with next to no
experience and some politically very dodgy acquaintances.
William Black
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:22:52 +0100, "William Black"
> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote this crap:
>
>>>>
>>>>No one, IMHO is "white"
>>>
>>>
>>> I am. 100%
>>
>>Put the words 'mitochondrial eve' into a search engine near you and learn
>>something...
>
>
> should I put, "jibberish," next to that?
>
Denial is not a river in Africa, although mitochondrial Eve lived there...
Or are you one of these stone bonkers who thinks the world was created about
five thousand years ago?
william boyd
> "Horvath" <Hor...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote in message
> news:pbtq941cnsn1d9ihj...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:16:00 +0100, "William Black"
>> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote this crap:
>>
>>> I mean, look at the current two, wouldn't you rather have Slick Willy
>>> back?
>>
>> Fucking, Oh MY God! NO! NO!
>>
>> NO! NO!
>>
>> NO!
>>
>
> See what I mean.
>
> As president he was a tremendous success.
>
> As a person he had obvious flaws, as does every man.
>
> You now have a choice between a geriatric with health problems who's
> obviously far too old to even consider a job that is stressful and will last
> at least four years and some slick academic lawyer with next to no
> experience and some politically very dodgy acquaintances.
>
>
exception of Clinton / Slick Willy being a good President. He was an
individual that had his priorities all mixed up and allowed his staff
and wife run the country, rather poorly at that.
--
Posted by HOPPIE, 30 Years Active Duty ,11 Campaigns Vietnam, 100% DAV,
Life Member; Am.Lgn,DAV,VFW,AFSA,VVA.
William Black
"william boyd" <willi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:489dac10$1...@newsgate.x-privat.org...
You mean he got his country embroiled in foreign wars after telling lies,
and then promptly started losing them...
Oh no, that was George...
Before Clinton was Bush Sr, the man who pardoned the 'Iran Contra'
plotters...
So, who would you rather have back?
william boyd
> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote in message
>> In article <MWXmk.5397$nu6.724@edtnps83>, nilita20...@yahoo.com
>> says...
>>> "Vincent Brannigan" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
>>> news:XGXmk.520$T91.68@trnddc04...
>>>> Horvath wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:52:21 -0700, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote this crap:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7 years of adultery, he didn't meet cindy and get married after just
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>> Yeh, who doesn't fuck around?
>>>>> Clinton. He never had sex with that woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or iffen yo an Obama supportuh. "He nevuh had sex wif dat womman."
>>>>>
>>>>> ::)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
>>>>> ultimate power in the universe."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> how unsurprising
>>>>
>>> Yup. There are a couple or so of them in the vietnam group. Heaven
>>> forbid
>>> they would ever have to serve in the military with a "Negro."
>> For all you know those making the comment ARE....
>>
>>
>
>
> - nilita, of a mixed black and white family
>
>
several years I enjoyed the best part of my life. It involved an
interracial marriage until she passed away with lung cancer.
My dislike of Obama has little to do with his skin pigment. Rather than
his very brief experience in congress as well as no experience in the
military. Along with his wealth, amounting to no visible means of
support, except portraying earnings from a book that has never been
heard of in the past, by me at least. And then there is the ties to one
of the most violent religions in existence.
And my daughter lives in Fort Worth and has a very beautiful daughter,
my granddaughter, both members of a black family. Making her blacker
than you portray your self to be. As if the skin pigment makes a
difference as you indicate it does.
I might say another thing that does seem to go along the lines of skin
pigment. The black panthers along with all other black militants have a
symbol of their color. That is the clinched fist held up, indicating
black power, as Omama's wife did on at least one occasion, that I
observed, now what does that tell you. Of course I'm sure you will deny
such a thing happened.
La N
You have made some very ignorant racist posts on the vietnam group as noted
by other people, not just myself. I know you despise Obama, but you have
posted crap about him, including racist crap; just about every one of your
articles have been debunked by snopes.com.
- nilita
william boyd
are quite ignorant. As I said before, ignorance does not become you, but
at the same time I have no idea what would.
La N
You assume you have been funny in your posts. I think most have failed to
see the humour. If that makes me "ignorant", so be it. I shall let you
have the last word because I have no use for these tit-for-tat arguments
that seem to be a guy thing and that go on forever.
- nilita
tankfixer
Whatever, I'm not the who is hung up on what color people are.
>
> Here it goes ....
>
> So, once upon a time a bus driver was receiving passengers into his vehicle
> when he heard a kerfuffle among the passengers, the whites insisting the
> "negros" go to the back of the bus.
>
> The driver, using the best of his conflict resolution skills, yelled to the
> passengers: "Okay, that's it! For now on, there are no whites or blacks -
> we're all greens!"
>
> So, peace reigned for all of 2 minutes until the driver yelled, "Okay - the
> dark greens go to the back and the light greens to the front!"
>
> pa da bim!
Old joke.
Arn't you offened to be telling it ?
tankfixer
Hor...@Horvath.nossepam.net says...
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:49:06 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.comm>
> wrote this crap:
>
> >>
> >> Hoppy is white (seen his photo), and Horvath is hungarian white.
> >>
> >> - nilita, of a mixed black and white family
> >
> >No one, IMHO is "white"
>
>
> I am. 100%
>
Unlikely.
Unless you kow your family tree for the last 10,000 years.
tankfixer
> Anyway, Jonesy understands. You don't.
What neither of you understand it seems it that people tell jokes.
Doesn't necessarily make them a racist.
But lots of folks are quick to try and paste that label, though they
will rarely paste it equally.