OT - 1914 to 1918 British Medal ribbons and Edmund Blackadder
Eugene Griessel
time paid some attention to the medal ribbons worn by some of the
characters:
Edmund Blackadder has the 1899-1902 Queen's South Africa medal, the
1901-1902 King's South Africa medal, the 1914-1915 Star and a strange
ribbon of dark vertical bars on an even darker background (possibly
dark green on dark brown). Any idea what this device is?
Lieutenant George appears to wearing the Military Cross(?) the
1914-1915 Star and the same ribbon of vertical bars that Blackadder
has.
Haven't looked carefully at Melchett, Flashhart and Darling's ribbons
yet.
Eugene L Griessel
Almost all loan officers have artificial hearts.
Jack Linthicum
WWI British War Medal?
http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/wwi_medals.htm
Malcolm
Linthicum <jackli...@earthlink.net> writes
That seems to be fairly bright. What about the Delhi Durbar medal?
http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/the_delhi_durbar_medal_191
1.htm
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Regards
Malcolm
Eugene Griessel
Not very likely - George, if you recall, signed up for the war
straight from Cambridge. No prior military service. Which is why I
wonder about the MC ribbon - if indeed it is. George was far too
thick to have won something like that. The British War Medal ribbon
is a light blue stripe, followed by a dark blue stripe, followed by a
white stripe with a broad khaki band then the stripes repeated in
reverse. Some were in watered colour others solid. Dunno why - the
later ones seems to have been watered.
The funny striped ribbon I want to find out about is not, I think, an
official British medal award - I have Spinks here and there is nothing
like that in it. It was possibly a ribbon denoting something like
efficiency, marksmanship, etc.etc.
I'll see if I can get a decent vidcap of the thing at some stage.
Eugene L Griessel
History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.
- James Joyce
Weatherlawyer
Never mind the fiddly bit, where did you get 1914 - 1918 from?
Is it when the British and the French began the war and the year the
US and A left it?
WW I ended some time in the 1920's IIRC. Was it 1921? I haven't
looked.
Eugene Griessel
Ok - I have a couple of fairly decent vidcaps - anyone want to see
them please email - 2 of about 25kb each.
Eugene Griessel
Perhaps you should look. It would save you from ridicule.
Eugene L Griessel
A Smith & Wesson beats four aces every time.
Nik Simpson
>> Haven't looked carefully at Melchett, Flashhart and Darling's ribbons
>> yet.
>
> Never mind the fiddly bit, where did you get 1914 - 1918 from?
>
> Is it when the British and the French began the war and the year the
> US and A left it?
What are you blithering about, WW1 was a war with Germany/Austria
Hungary and Turkey (plus a few other states) vs.
Britain/France/Russia/Italy and somewhat belatedly the US, it started in
1914 and finished in 1918
>
> WW I ended some time in the 1920's IIRC.
Huh.
> Was it 1921? I haven't looked.
>
That much is obvious.
--
Nik Simpson
Justin
Griessel) wrote:
>Watching "Blackadder goes Forth" again last night and for the first
>time paid some attention to the medal ribbons worn by some of the
>characters:
>
>Edmund Blackadder has the 1899-1902 Queen's South Africa medal, the
>1901-1902 King's South Africa medal, the 1914-1915 Star and a strange
>ribbon of dark vertical bars on an even darker background (possibly
>dark green on dark brown). Any idea what this device is?
The Croix de Guerre? The ribbon was green with thin red lines. It was
roughly the French equivalent to Mention in Dispatches and fairly
common in all the Allied forces in France.
--Justin
Eugene Griessel
>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:20:00 GMT, eugene@dynagen..co..za (Eugene Griessel)
>wrote:
>
>>Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
><snip>
>
>>>WW I ended some time in the 1920's IIRC. Was it 1921? I haven't
>>>looked.
>>
>>Perhaps you should look. It would save you from ridicule.
>
>Not _entirely_ ridiculous.
>
>There's a Scottish town that had a similar late date on their war memorial.
>Best I recall the story, their city charter allowed then to declare their own
>war, but they forgot to vote to end it on 11/11/18.
In other words we should forget the vast majority of consensus and go
with your Scottish town (unnamed and unsubstantiated)?
Eugene L Griessel
Every animal leaves traces of what it was;
man alone leaves traces of what he created.
Jacob Bronowski
Eugene Griessel
The ribbon is six dark green vertical stripes separated by five
slightly wider khaki bands. Melchett does not have it, but Kevin
Darling, Blackadder and George have it.
Melchett has an interesting collection of ribbons - including the
Second Afghan War Medal (1878 - 1880), Kabul to Kandahar Star (1880),
Egyptian Medal (1882-1889), Khedive's Egyptian Star (1882 -1891),
India General Service Medal (1895-1902), Queen's South Africa Medal
(1899 -1901), King's South Africa Medal (1901-1902), India General
Service Medal (1908 - 1935) and the 1914-1915 Star.
One or two others I haven't identified yet.
Ribbons are being worn in their correct order in all cases - it
appears that somebody in wardrobe took some care about the
authenticity of the things.
Eugene L Griessel
A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic one should
be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around
she deserved.
Brian Sharrock
"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
news:469da938...@news.uunet.co.za...
> Strobe <Str...@nyc.Beep!Beep!.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:20:00 GMT, eugene@dynagen..co..za (Eugene Griessel)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>>>WW I ended some time in the 1920's IIRC. Was it 1921? I haven't
>>>>looked.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you should look. It would save you from ridicule.
>>
>>Not _entirely_ ridiculous.
>>
>>There's a Scottish town that had a similar late date on their war
>>memorial.
>>Best I recall the story, their city charter allowed then to declare their
>>own
>>war, but they forgot to vote to end it on 11/11/18.
>
> In other words we should forget the vast majority of consensus and go
> with your Scottish town (unnamed and unsubstantiated)?
>
> Eugene L Griessel
>
But you can away with a lot by using the word _apocryphal_;
The 'story' ; - Scottish Town; 'declaration of War' forgot to declare an
end to the conflict .... sounds, awfully, like a Chinese-whispers* version
of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwick-upon-Tweed#State_of_war_with_Russia
briefly, Berwick (upon Tweed) is one of those border places that 's
sometimes in England- sometimes in Scotland .... did / didn't a state of War
exist between Berwick and 'Imperial Russia' from the conflict in the Crimea?
*Chinese-whispers = a game played by children (particularly the Cub Scouts)
where a circle is formed and a 'message' sent around the circle by one child
whispering a sentence into the ear of his/her neighbour - who whispers it
into the ear of the next child who repeats the process until the final child
declares the sentence to the group. The sentence will have been
transmogrified during its passage - sometimes negated.
--
Brian
Eugene Griessel
I was wondering if the Berwick on Tweed story had not got muddled into
this somehow. I've never actually bothered to find out if the tale
was based in truth or was an urban legend. One account I read was
that peace was declared between Berwick and Russia some time in the
late 20th century. Should perhaps do a spot of research - but what
the hell, often the lie is more picturesque than the truth!
Eugene L Griessel
Deja Fu: The feeling that somehow, somewhere, you've been kicked
in the head like this before.
R.C. Payne
> Weatherlawyer wrote:
>
>>> Haven't looked carefully at Melchett, Flashhart and Darling's ribbons
>>> yet.
>>
>> Never mind the fiddly bit, where did you get 1914 - 1918 from?
>>
>> Is it when the British and the French began the war and the year the
>> US and A left it?
>
> What are you blithering about, WW1 was a war with Germany/Austria
> Hungary and Turkey (plus a few other states) vs.
> Britain/France/Russia/Italy and somewhat belatedly the US, it started in
> 1914 and finished in 1918
The armistice (with Germany, on the Western Front) took effect at 11am
on 11 Nov. 1918, but a state of war continued to exist. Many of the war
memorials I have seen (around south east England) use the dates
1914-1919. This date would correspond with the signing of the Treaty of
Versaille, signed on 28th June 1919. Because of the breakup of the
Ottoman Empire, it was not possible to formally establish peace with
them until a little later, when they had a viable state to negotiate
with. Depends really whether you count a war ending when fighting stops
or when the peace treaty is agreed to. The trouble was, so many
different nations fought that each had to negotiate peace with all the
others.
Robin
Eugene Griessel
I think the generally accepted date for the end of World War 1 is the
11th November 1918 whatever the legal implication for the actual end
of the war meant. The end of hostilities in other words. For instance
the British War medal issued to troops who had been in the war has
"1914" and "1918" on it and the Victory Medal had as its requirement
"mobilization between 5th August 1914 and 11th November 1918".
Eugene L Griessel
Who discovered one could get milk from a cow?
And what did he think he was doing at the time?
Eugene Griessel
alt.binaries.pictures.military. Whether it made it there I have no
clue as my usenet provider no longer carries that group. Would
someone care to look and let us know?
La N
"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
>I have attempted to post a graphic of this particular ribbon to
> alt.binaries.pictures.military. Whether it made it there I have no
> clue as my usenet provider no longer carries that group. Would
> someone care to look and let us know?
I don't see it, Eugene. Furthermore, google groups appears to be crapped up
still, so I don't see BlackBeard, Jack and the ilk ... :)
Andrew Chaplin
news:469df523...@news.uunet.co.za...
> alt.binaries.pictures.military. Whether it made it there I have no
> clue as my usenet provider no longer carries that group. Would
> someone care to look and let us know?
Not seen.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Eugene Griessel
Mmmm - I don't think Google carries that particular usenet group.
Anyway thanks for looking. Will have to figure out another way.
Anyone wanting it - or the vidcaps of Lt George and Cpt Blackadder
just drop me an email. eug...@dynagen.co.za
La N
"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
>>news:469df523...@news.uunet.co.za...
>>>I have attempted to post a graphic of this particular ribbon to
>>> alt.binaries.pictures.military. Whether it made it there I have no
>>> clue as my usenet provider no longer carries that group. Would
>>> someone care to look and let us know?
>>
>>I don't see it, Eugene. Furthermore, google groups appears to be crapped
>>up
>>still, so I don't see BlackBeard, Jack and the ilk ... :)
>
> Mmmm - I don't think Google carries that particular usenet group.
> Anyway thanks for looking. Will have to figure out another way.
> Anyone wanting it - or the vidcaps of Lt George and Cpt Blackadder
> just drop me an email. eug...@dynagen.co.za
>
Send it to me, Eugene. I'll host it on my website and post the link.
Eugene Griessel
>
>"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
>news:469e1b30...@news.uunet.co.za...
>> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
>>>news:469df523...@news.uunet.co.za...
>>>>I have attempted to post a graphic of this particular ribbon to
>>>> alt.binaries.pictures.military. Whether it made it there I have no
>>>> clue as my usenet provider no longer carries that group. Would
>>>> someone care to look and let us know?
>>>
>>>I don't see it, Eugene. Furthermore, google groups appears to be crapped
>>>up
>>>still, so I don't see BlackBeard, Jack and the ilk ... :)
>>
>> Mmmm - I don't think Google carries that particular usenet group.
>> Anyway thanks for looking. Will have to figure out another way.
>> Anyone wanting it - or the vidcaps of Lt George and Cpt Blackadder
>> just drop me an email. eug...@dynagen.co.za
>>
>
>Send it to me, Eugene. I'll host it on my website and post the link.
>
I don't think you'd want to be bothered by the probable copyright
issues but I'll see what I can do.
Eugene L Griessel
The Third Reich was perhaps the nearest thing we have seen to a fully
developed multinational corporation.
Andrew Chaplin
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
>>news:469e1b30...@news.uunet.co.za...
>>> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
>>>>news:469df523...@news.uunet.co.za...
>>>>>I have attempted to post a graphic of this particular ribbon to
>>>>> alt.binaries.pictures.military. Whether it made it there I have no
>>>>> clue as my usenet provider no longer carries that group. Would
>>>>> someone care to look and let us know?
>>>>
>>>>I don't see it, Eugene. Furthermore, google groups appears to be crapped
>>>>up
>>>>still, so I don't see BlackBeard, Jack and the ilk ... :)
>>>
>>> Mmmm - I don't think Google carries that particular usenet group.
>>> Anyway thanks for looking. Will have to figure out another way.
>>> Anyone wanting it - or the vidcaps of Lt George and Cpt Blackadder
>>> just drop me an email. eug...@dynagen.co.za
>>>
>>
>>Send it to me, Eugene. I'll host it on my website and post the link.
>>
>
> I don't think you'd want to be bothered by the probable copyright
> issues but I'll see what I can do.
If it's not commercial use and contains only a few frames, it's considered
fair use in most North American jurisdictions.
La N
"Andrew Chaplin" <ab.ch...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote in message
news:9ZednXNJ-5GEvwPb...@giganews.com...
Attached are:
bar1.jpg - considerably lightened set of Blackadder's ribbons
bar2.jpg - considerably lightened set of George's ribbons
bar3.jpg - unenhanced vidcap of George's ribbons
bar4.jpg - my own drawing of unidentified ribbon
http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar1Blackaddersribbons.jpg
http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar2Blackaddersribbons.jpg
http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar3Georgesribbons.jpg
http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar4.jpg
Eugene Griessel
>
>http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar1Blackaddersribbons.jpg
>
>http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar2Blackaddersribbons.jpg
>
>http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar3Georgesribbons.jpg
>
>
>http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/nilita2004/?action=view¤t=bar4.jpg
Thanks - looks OK.
Eugene L Griessel
If At First You Don't Succeed...blame Someone Else And Seek Counseling.
Malcolm
<eugene@dynagen.?.co.?.za> writes
I've just checked, Eugene, and 'taint there that I can see.
--
Regards
Malcolm
Jack Linthicum
> In article <1184688815.809724.311...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Jack
> Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> writes
>
>
>
> >On Jul 17, 7:01 am, eugene@dynagen..co..za (Eugene Griessel) wrote:
> >> Watching "Blackadder goes Forth" again last night and for the first
> >> time paid some attention to the medal ribbons worn by some of the
> >> characters:
>
> >> Edmund Blackadder has the 1899-1902 Queen's South Africa medal, the
> >> 1901-1902 King's South Africa medal, the 1914-1915 Star and a strange
> >> ribbon of dark vertical bars on an even darker background (possibly
> >> dark green on dark brown). Any idea what this device is?
>
> >> Lieutenant George appears to wearing the Military Cross(?) the
> >> 1914-1915 Star and the same ribbon of vertical bars that Blackadder
> >> has.
>
> >> Haven't looked carefully at Melchett, Flashhart and Darling's ribbons
> >> yet.
>
> >> Eugene L Griessel
>
> >> Almost all loan officers have artificial hearts.
>
> >WWI British War Medal?
> >http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/wwi_medals.htm
>
> 1.htm
>
> --
> Regards
> Malcolm
two things, yours doesn't yield a working site and the ribbon is red
on blue
http://www.virtualmuseum.info/collections/object.asp?categoryid=4&row=2&ckid=11649
William Black
"Strobe" <Str...@nyc.Beep!Beep!.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:20:00 GMT, eugene@dynagen..co..za (Eugene Griessel)
> wrote:
>
>>Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>>looked.
>>
>>Perhaps you should look. It would save you from ridicule.
>
>
> There's a Scottish town that had a similar late date on their war
> memorial.
> Best I recall the story, their city charter allowed then to declare their
> own
> war, but they forgot to vote to end it on 11/11/18.
Not quite.
By the way, it's Berwick that has the odd relationship with Russia.
The war memorial for the local yeomanry in Helmsley in North Yorkshire has
a 1914-1919 date on it because they were sent to Russia and kept getting
killed until 1919.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Jack Linthicum
> Malcolm <malc...@clarkeassoc.com> wrote:
> >In article <1184688815.809724.311...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Jack
Perfect attendance?
Jack Linthicum
The medals were issued for conflicts after the Armistice.
British War Medal 1914-20
Obverse & reverse sides of the British War Medal
This medal commemorates some of the bloodiest battles that have ever
been fought by British & Commonwealth troops. The medal was instituted
by King George V in 1919 to mark the end of the First World War and
record the service given. Although the First World War ended in 1918,
the qualification period was extended to cover post-war mine clearance
and service in Russia during 1919-20.
A total of approximately 6,500,000 silver medals were issued. A total
of approximately 110,000 bronze versions of this medal were issued to
Chinese, Maltese, Indian and other native Labour Corps and also to
other native personnel who were mobilised for war service and received
pay at military rates.
ErrolC
> Watching "Blackadder goes Forth" again last night and for the first
> time paid some attention to the medal ribbons worn by some of the
> characters:
>
> Edmund Blackadder has the 1899-1902 Queen's South Africa medal, the
> 1901-1902 King's South Africa medal, the 1914-1915 Star and a strange
> ribbon of dark vertical bars on an even darker background (possibly
> dark green on dark brown). Any idea what this device is?
>
> Lieutenant George appears to wearing the Military Cross(?) the
> 1914-1915 Star and the same ribbon of vertical bars that Blackadder
> has.
>
> yet.
>
I was looking at my girlfriend's grandfather's (Australian) war
records (and associated useful websites) last night. He had the
1914-15 Star. I can see the logic behind the 1914 Star (in theatre for
the Race to the Sea), but what was the thinking behind the 1914-15
Star?
BTW, he was in the 3rd Light Horse. Showed great judgement by starting
his journey home with dysentery just before the unit got badly mauled
at the The Nek (Gallipoli). Was admitted (sick) to Beersheba Hospital
shortly after the famous charge.
Errol Cavit | Don't talk to me about the birth of a nation at
Gallipoli or the crucible of valour at the Somme. Talk instead of what
might have been without Gallipoli, without the trenches. Talk instead
of the knee-capping of a nation.
Ted Reynolds, _My side of the River_, 1995
Eugene Griessel
>
>"Strobe" <Str...@nyc.Beep!Beep!.com> wrote in message
>news:4l8r93hcmdo73uoft...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:20:00 GMT, eugene@dynagen..co..za (Eugene Griessel)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>WW I ended some time in the 1920's IIRC. Was it 1921? I haven't
>>>>looked.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you should look. It would save you from ridicule.
>>
>> Not _entirely_ ridiculous.
>>
>> There's a Scottish town that had a similar late date on their war
>> memorial.
>> Best I recall the story, their city charter allowed then to declare their
>> own
>> war, but they forgot to vote to end it on 11/11/18.
>
>Not quite.
>
>By the way, it's Berwick that has the odd relationship with Russia.
>
>The war memorial for the local yeomanry in Helmsley in North Yorkshire has
>a 1914-1919 date on it because they were sent to Russia and kept getting
>killed until 1919.
Which is why the British War Medal 1914-1918 kept getting awarded
until 1920 - service in Russia during 1919-1920.
Eugene L Griessel
Science is never certain. Scientific statements are merely approximates
with varying degrees of certainty. Evidence can increase the probability
that a statement is more likely to be true or false but it never makes it
absolutely certain one way or the other. - Richard Feynman
ken...@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Eugene Griessel) wrote:
> In other words we should forget the vast majority of consensus and go
> with your Scottish town (unnamed and unsubstantiated)?
Berwick on Tweed, as a result of the disputes between Scotland and
England over where the border ran it ended up semi-independent. I can't
remember when this status was ended though. The story is more likely to
date from the Napoleonic wars. I seem to remember that Liechtenstein was
technically still at war with Germany in the 1980s not being party to
the treaties that ended WW2.
However fighting by WW1 British troops continued to about 1920 with the
intervention in Russia.
Ken Young
TMOliver
"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote...
> Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 17, 12:01 pm, eugene@dynagen..co..za (Eugene Griessel) wrote:
>>> Watching "Blackadder goes Forth" again last night and for the first
>>> time paid some attention to the medal ribbons worn by some of the
>>> characters:
>>>
>>> Edmund Blackadder has the 1899-1902 Queen's South Africa medal, the
>>> 1901-1902 King's South Africa medal, the 1914-1915 Star and a strange
>>> ribbon of dark vertical bars on an even darker background (possibly
>>> dark green on dark brown). Any idea what this device is?
>>>
>>> Lieutenant George appears to wearing the Military Cross(?) the
>>> 1914-1915 Star and the same ribbon of vertical bars that Blackadder
>>> has.
>>>
>>> Haven't looked carefully at Melchett, Flashhart and Darling's ribbons
>>> yet.
>>
>>
>>Is it when the British and the French began the war and the year the
>>US and A left it?
>>
>>looked.
>
> Perhaps you should look. It would save you from ridicule.
>
I'm not sure, Eugene....
Start him "looking", and in time he might display something other than
simply blatant ignorance in some of the areas he so quickly renders
outlandish, even laughable opinion. His "space time continuum" does
indicate that either he's barely into adolescence or long locked there.
"Jesus wept!" would be a reasonable response to his post above....
TMO