Ideal French anti-pirate forces for Somali region?
David E. Powell
handy. They have surface forces in the region, maybe one of those new
Frigates? Wonder what kind of choppers they have, certainly can carry
some kind of antisurface weapon, not sure about how many people they
can carry.
hcobb
Pirates don't ply the high seas anymore, so you need a fast small well
armed ship that can reach into their littoral hideaways.
-HJC
Christophe Chazot
<juergen.nieveler.nos...@arcor.de> wrote:
> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I would think at least one SSN with frogmen/assault forces would be
> > handy.
>
>
> Juergen Nieveler
> --
> "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as
> long as I'm the dictator..." George W. Bush -- Dec 18, 2000
More realistically, a A69 frigate without helo.
Christophe Chazot
Paul J. Adam
<ca593db9-06e8-4fcb...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
hcobb <henry...@gmail.com> writes
>The ideal anti-pirate ship is the LCS.
>
>Pirates don't ply the high seas anymore,
I think you may be misinformed.
--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides
paul<dot>j<dot>adam[at]googlemail{dot}.com
Eugene Griessel
>In message
><ca593db9-06e8-4fcb...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>hcobb <henry...@gmail.com> writes
>>The ideal anti-pirate ship is the LCS.
>>
>>Pirates don't ply the high seas anymore,
>
>I think you may be misinformed.
Henry is perpetually misinformed.
Eugene L Griessel
The three S's of bureaucracy - Sluggish, Secretive & Suspicious.
- I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
Jack Linthicum
> "Paul J. Adam" <n...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In message
> ><ca593db9-06e8-4fcb-b126-fb5badf26...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> >hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> writes
> >>The ideal anti-pirate ship is the LCS.
>
> >>Pirates don't ply the high seas anymore,
>
> >I think you may be misinformed.
>
> Henry is perpetually misinformed.
>
> Eugene L Griessel
>
> The three S's of bureaucracy - Sluggish, Secretive & Suspicious.
>
> - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
sacerdotal, somewhere else and somnolent
hcobb
> In message
> <ca593db9-06e8-4fcb-b126-fb5badf26...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> >The ideal anti-pirate ship is the LCS.
>
> >Pirates don't ply the high seas anymore,
>
> I think you may be misinformed.
Sorry, but modern day pirates operate close to their bases, which are
located in countries where the reign of the rule of law is weak or
nonexistent.
They do not sail thousands of kilometers out to sea to find targets.
Piracy is a littoral problem.
-HJC
Keith Willshaw
"hcobb" <henry...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:48dca08f-0aae-4cc7...@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 7, 9:50 am, "Paul J. Adam" <n...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message
>> <ca593db9-06e8-4fcb-b126-fb5badf26...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> writes
>> >The ideal anti-pirate ship is the LCS.
>>
>> >Pirates don't ply the high seas anymore,
>>
>> I think you may be misinformed.
>
> Sorry, but modern day pirates operate close to their bases, which are
> located in countries where the reign of the rule of law is weak or
> nonexistent.
>
It has always been so. The Barbary pirates operated out of frendly
ports in North Africa, the Caribbean pirates operated from lawless
places such as Tortuga. Sir James (Raja) Brooke occupied Sarawak in
the 19th century with the explicit purpose of suppressing piracy.
> They do not sail thousands of kilometers out to sea to find targets.
>
> Piracy is a littoral problem.
>
Attacks have taken place hundreds of kms from the coast.
With modern engines a pirate can sally hundreds of miles
from base and attack a ship relatively quickly.
Keith
Tiger
So where is your LCS going to operate from? While the bad gus may be
close to their base, your along way from yours???
Paul J. Adam
<48dca08f-0aae-4cc7...@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
hcobb <henry...@gmail.com> writes
They've attacked a hundred miles or more off the coast. (Not often, but
enough to cause alarm).
>Piracy is a littoral problem.
Not entirely: and do _you_ want to be the master who offers additional
proof that it's not so?
hcobb
> So where is your LCS going to operate from? While the bad gus may be
> close to their base, your along way from yours???
LCS is made for the away game deep in hostile territory.
Crew swap and module swap in just about any commercial port without
having to return to USA.
-HJC
TMOliver
"hcobb" <henry...@gmail.com> wrote ...
If only what sounded so easy in the proclaiming of it, turned out to be so
easy in application......
Two examples with which I was once exceedingly familiar....
"Swapping out" a fighter squadron in an air group immediately before an 8
month CVA Med deployment...VMF-251 departs replaced by VF-62. Same
airplanes F8As to F8As....
Sailors ought to be more comfortable with sailors than Jarheads, right?
Well, maybe so. but from LSOs to CCA folks to AirIntel to AICs and down in
the magazines, it was a difficult transition in a very brief - too brief -
period.
Then there's coming aboard a small vessel scheduled to be decommissioned,
yet "extended" for conveyance to an ally. All new folks, some never
previously at sea, and only one officer ever deployed in the same
type/class.
"Any commercial port" My sweet ass! I wouldn't want to try it in a naval
shipyard of a long time ally....
Then there's going to sea and making the module/sumbitch work.
TMO
tankfixer
juergen.nie...@arcor.de says...
> "David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I would think at least one SSN with frogmen/assault forces would be
> > handy.
>
>
Ouch
--
"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
- Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"
tankfixer
@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, David_Po...@msn.com says...
Why ?
And google is your friend, friend.
http://frenchnavy.free.fr/menus/menu_helicopters.htm
It appears from reports that both Gazelle and Panther helo's are in the
AO.
tankfixer
ne...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk says...
> In message
> <ca593db9-06e8-4fcb...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> hcobb <henry...@gmail.com> writes
> >The ideal anti-pirate ship is the LCS.
> >
> >Pirates don't ply the high seas anymore,
>
> I think you may be misinformed.
I disagree !
He IS misinformed...