Turkish Navy vs Russian Navy in the Black Sea - Who Wins!

[Jonathan]

According to this Russian war game Turkey wins hands down
without Nato help.



The Turkish Navy Superior To The Russian Black Sea Fleet?


The Turkish Navy has a clear numerical superiority over the
Russian Black Sea Fleet. The condition of the Turkish warships
are also better than the Russian ships.

Synthesis of the two forces

Therefore, the opponent of the Russian Black Sea Fleet may be only the
Turkish Navy, which has 15 submarines, 19 frigates, 25 missile boats and
20 minesweepers. These forces are likely to be supported by regular air
forces. Of the approximately 440 aircraft of the Turkish Air Force that
could impact undertake missions against ships and establishments of the
Russian Navy in the Black Sea, can be used in 100 or maybe more of these
aircraft.

Operational Strategic formation of the (Russian) Black Sea Fleet in
early 2013, according to open sources, including two submarines and 41
surface ships. However, 20% to 50% of ships in need of repair.

The Naval Air consists of 34 aircraft and 40 helicopters of various
applications.Specifically, it has 18 attack aircraft Su-24M (actually –
bombers) Su-24M, four to seven seaplanes submarine role Be-12, an
aircraft An-12PP EW recognition and four Su-24 MR.The helicopter fleet
consists of 30 ASW Ka-27PL and eight helicopters based EW project Mi-8.
All aeromesa of Naval Aviation is not functional.

Within the submarine forces, the Black Sea Fleet has only two submarines
– one class and one class 877 641B. On surface vessels including a heavy
cruiser, a large anti-submarine ship, three frigates, four small
pyraflofora ships, seven small anti-submarine ships race, 11
minesweepers, seven large amphibious ships, six missile boats.

The aviation arm of the Black Sea Fleet may be lined up to race for 12
Su-24, three seaplanes Be-12 and two Su-24MR recognition, 18 Ka-27PL and
five helicopters EW.



http://turkishnavy.net/2013/01/27/the-turkish-navy-superior-to-the-russian-black-sea-fleet/

[David E. Powell]

The main Russian Advantage is the range of their Cruise missiles, as seen in the Syria attacks. Unless Turkey has Tomahawks, the Klubs outrange them. Klubs can be launched from Submarines, Surface Ships, Aircraft and Shore bases. They are an excellent first strike weapon. Also, the Russians could use Caspian Sea ships to launch them, as seen in the Syria strikes recently, or use bomber aircraft from other regions of Russia. Russia also has SAMs there.

On Turkey's side, they have naval numbers (Trying to think of how they deal with Subs, though) and their air force is packed with F-16s. The main thing they have going for them is that they are a NATO member. Assuming Russia initiates contact, they can call on that alliance. Hopefully that is the main deterrence to things getting really bad there.

If Turkey can deal with Klubs, and we don't have much knowledge of their countermeasures, things look better for them. Subs are still a concern for both sides. Russia has their various submarines, and Turkey has a force of German-built Type 209 submarines. Those Submarines do have an optional Harpoon launch capability, along with their torpedoes. I would believe that, as a NATO member, Turkey would have that capability on those submarines. They would also be quite capable in the Black Sea or the Bosporus. Wikipedia lists Turkey as being in possession of 14 of these vessels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine>

Here's hoping this discussion remains academic. Thank you for bringing it up though, Jonathan. It makes for interesting study.