A gun goofball "truth" ;-)
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
Mr. Albritton
news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>
> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED) citizens.
Mr. Albritton
"Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The ONCE AGAIN proven fallacy of gun free zones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xPLEKZovzQ
W.T.S.
news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
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Save lives, visit today!
Bill Smith
<dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:
>
>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
What idiot said that?
Bill Smith
W.T.S.
news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
surprised at the constant training and precautions police persons take to
protect their weapons from falling into the wrong hands.
Look over this history of Tombstone and Dodge. Everyone carried weapons,
plenty of robbing and stealing, not to mention cattle rustling, was done.
Also, criminals don't carry calling cards or send advanced notifications.
But, people do have a right to be concerned about ineffective law
enforcement, repeat offenders, poorly run courts, prisons with high return
rates, massive illegal immigration, and the constant need for reform which
never seems to happen. Perhaps it's time to start voting out incumbent
legislatures and governors, and keep voting them out until needed reforms
occur.
But, if you just must "blast away" in the meantime, please make sure you
have a clear target and a clean background, actual criminals sure don't!
Scotius
<dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:
>
>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
robberies fell to near-nothing.
But don't let the facts get in your way. You don't like people
owning guns because you wouldn't trust yourself with one, isn't that
true? Fine. Just don't expect others to give them up because you're
not to be trusted.
SaPeIsMa
"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
> Yes, just like in Tombstone and Dodge.
> --
Tombstone and Dogde were places where to people in charge tried to DISARM
those they didn't approve of..
You would be more creduble if you had a glimmer about what you were talking
about .
SaPeIsMa
"Bill Smith" <quan...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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The idiot using the nym " "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
SaPeIsMa
"Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East Coast
during the same period of time.
Mr. Albritton
>
> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>
> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
> robberies fell to near-nothing.
Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a different
community.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
William Black
What about Afghanistan?
Everyone has a gun there and it isn't what you'd call peaceful...
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
William Black
And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a violent
world... NOT
Tommy Shannon
>
> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
If everyone claims to be a "DR." then all those are idiotic PH.Ds!
Mr. Albritton
>> during the same period of time.
>>
>>
>
> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a violent
> world... NOT
<cough>
Afghanistan has unequivocally proven that it doesn't need guns in order to
kill.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
Once again...
GUNS don't kill people...
PEOPLE kill people!
What's next? Outlawing the possession of a rock?
Trevor Wilson
"Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
**You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in your
argument:
1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to ensure
that bad people have restricted access to guns. In the US, there is zero
impediment.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
William Black
>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
>>> Coast during the same period of time.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a
>> violent world... NOT
>
> <cough>
> Afghanistan has unequivocally proven that it doesn't need guns in order
> to kill.
> http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
>
> Once again...
> GUNS don't kill people...
> PEOPLE kill people!
And Afghans seem very good at it.
It's the logical extension of the society you try to make everyone part of.
tankfixer
willia...@hotmail.co.uk says...
>
> SaPeIsMa wrote:
> >
> > "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
> >>>
> >>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
> >>
> >> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
> >> legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED) citizens.
> >
> > Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
> > Coast during the same period of time.
> >
> >
>
> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a violent
> world... NOT
Different culture.. is it not ?
tankfixer
tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au says...
>
> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> > news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
> >
> > If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
> > legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED) citizens.
>
> **You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in your
> argument:
>
> 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
So you deal with those few who do.
> 2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to ensure
> that bad people have restricted access to guns. In the US, there is zero
> impediment.
Another lie...
William Black
But...
An armed society should be a polite and crime free and peaceful society.
Are you saying that the problems in any society are cultural?
How Socialist of you...
David E. Powell
> In article <7p555iFkd...@mid.individual.net>,
> tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au says...
>
>
>
> > "Mr. Albritton" <albritto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> > >news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>
> > >> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>
> > > If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
> > > legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED) citizens.
>
> > **You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in your
> > argument:
>
> > 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
>
> So you deal with those few who do.
Agreed. Which is easier of some of the actual good people have the
needed means to do so.
> > 2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to ensure
> > that bad people have restricted access to guns. In the US, there is zero
> > impediment.
>
> Another lie...
Agreed.
The Swiss require most citizens to own guns for instance. Israel is
kind of open to private carrying of arms too.
SaPeIsMa
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hgjogn$9p8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
>>>> Coast during the same period of time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a violent
>>> world... NOT
>>
>> <cough>
>> Afghanistan has unequivocally proven that it doesn't need guns in order
>> to kill.
>> http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
>>
>> Once again...
>> GUNS don't kill people...
>> PEOPLE kill people!
>
> And Afghans seem very good at it.
>
> It's the logical extension of the society you try to make everyone part
> of.
>
You are unable to "logically extend" even a finger
So doing so for a concept is way beyond your ken
SaPeIsMa
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25970d7...@news.bytemine.net...
Actually MULTIPLE lies
But who am I to quibble...
SaPeIsMa
> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>> Yes, just like in Tombstone and Dodge.
>>> --
>>
>> Tombstone and Dogde were places where to people in charge tried to DISARM
>> those they didn't approve of..
>> You would be more creduble if you had a glimmer about what you were
>> talking about .
>>
>
> What about Afghanistan?
>
> Everyone has a gun there and it isn't what you'd call peaceful...
>
Feel free to provide PROOF that "everyone has a gun in Afghanistan"
Take as many screens as you need
(This is scuttle time, you cockroach)
SaPeIsMa
And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected the
right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere in the
State.
And lo and behold, Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates in all the
States of the Union
Ray O'Hara
> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
>>>> Coast during the same period of time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a violent
>>> world... NOT
>>
>> <cough>
>> Afghanistan has unequivocally proven that it doesn't need guns in order
>> to kill.
>> http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
>>
>> Once again...
>> GUNS don't kill people...
>> PEOPLE kill people!
>
> And Afghans seem very good at it.
>
> It's the logical extension of the society you try to make everyone part
> of.
>
It should be "People with GUNS Kill people"
Mr. Albritton
That statement directly implies that ALL people with guns kill people.
Horribly inaccurate statement.
Want proof?
I've been carrying a gun for YEARS, (both professionally and on personal
time) and have yet to "kill" anyone.....
Self-defense or otherwise.
Andrew Swallow
{snip}
>
> What's next? Outlawing the possession of a rock?
Shhh. Do not give them the idea.
Andrew Swallow
Mr. Albritton
>
> Shhh. Do not give them the idea.
>
> Andrew Swallow
Screw it. Nothing surprises me anymore.
I can see it now....
"Convicted drug dealer arrested for felon in possession of a rock."
Ray O'Hara
"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
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Vermont's low crime rate has nothing to do with people being allowed to
carry guns, the fact is 99% of them don't carry.
Vermont is the most rural state and it has almost no urban enviroment that
has more to do with things there.
and for the Fla county cited, what were the crime stats previously?
Scout
"Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:7p555i...@mid.individual.net...
Really? So those 20,000 laws don't actually exist?
I will call you a liar on this Trevor, because there are numerious
impediments.
Scout
"Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
> news:S82dna3XH8ro6rDW...@posted.cpinternet...
>>
>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hgjloi$k4q$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>
>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>
>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
>>>> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
>>>> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
>>>> robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>
>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a different
>>> community.
>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>
>> And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected the
>> right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere in
>> the State.
>> And lo and behold, Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates in all the
>> States of the Union
>>
>
>
> Vermont's low crime rate has nothing to do with people being allowed to
> carry guns, the fact is 99% of them don't carry.
And on the flip side of THAT coin, you also have to admit that the low crime
rate of the UK has nothing to do with being not being allowed to carry guns,
much less owning them.
Can't have it both ways.
> Vermont is the most rural state and it has almost no urban enviroment that
> has more to do with things there.
So what exactly is it about an urban enviroment which you think makes it
impossible to carry guns safely?
DockScience
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:oyiXm.90358$We2....@newsfe09.iad...
> And on the flip side of THAT coin, you also have to admit that the low
> crime
> rate of the UK has nothing to do with being not being allowed to carry
> guns,
> much less owning them.
>
> Can't have it both ways.
Except that the UK has an extremely high crime rate, much higher than the US
for all categories except for murder.
Ray Fischer
>
>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
Yeah, that's worked real well, hasn't it?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>
>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>
>those they didn't approve of..
Having a gun seems to convice people that they're powerful enough to
get away with being assholes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>>>
>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>
>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
>>> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
>>> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
>>> robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>
>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a different
>> community.
>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>
>And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected the
>right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere in the
>State.
Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
W.T.S.
> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
> Tombstone and Dogde were places where to people in charge tried to DISARM
> those they didn't approve of..
> talking about .
newspapers of the era. Visit the local museums. I have.
You'd find it an education in actual history and facts.
P.S. The murder rate on the East Coast at the time was far, far higher than
in the Western areas. Anything else is a made up lie, something pro-gun
advocates are very good at.
--
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Save lives, visit today!
W.T.S.
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hgjlrp$kb7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>> Yes, just like in Tombstone and Dodge.
>>> DISARM those they didn't approve of..
>>> You would be more creduble if you had a glimmer about what you were
>>> talking about .
>> What about Afghanistan?
>> Everyone has a gun there and it isn't what you'd call peaceful...
> Feel free to provide PROOF that "everyone has a gun in Afghanistan"
> Take as many screens as you need
> (This is scuttle time, you cockroach)
the same rule. Both very peaceful places.
However, those areas do have one small advantage. Alcohol is not "socially
acceptable" there, although it can be obtained. So, alcohol fueled
"naughtiness" is far lower than in the U.S.
Alexander
> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>> Yes, just like in Tombstone and Dodge.
>> Tombstone and Dogde were places where to people in charge tried to DISARM
>> those they didn't approve of..
>
> get away with being assholes.
None of us were aware that you carried a gun.
>
Alexander
The proof is usually on the Naysayer, Ray. You seem to revelle in petty
retorts.
>
Alexander
Please post and explain those 20,000 laws to us humble citizens that
have always carried a gun. I certainly wish I owned a good gun store.
They are a gold mine.
>
>
>
>
William Black
lack of any content noted...
William Black
Visit Afghanistan...
Then you might get to shoot someone.
William Black
And firearms crime, and rape...
SaPeIsMa
Well there's your problem, you are ignorant enough to imagine that Dodge And
Tombstone are representative of the West at that time
Your ignorance and inability to make rational comparisons must be the
result of a "liberal edunucation" or something like that.
SaPeIsMa
"Alexander" <Alex...@thegreat.org> wrote in message
news:7p64rt...@mid.individual.net...
Probably a NERF gun
SaPeIsMa
The real issue, is why SHOULD I provide any such proof
I didn't make a claim that they did
I just metionned that Vermont has NO RESTRICTIONS
Idiots like ray can't seem to think their way from A to B without falling
into stupidity.
SaPeIsMa
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
> news:S82dnazXH8rr6rDW...@posted.cpinternet...
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hgjlrp$kb7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
>>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>> Yes, just like in Tombstone and Dodge.
>>>> Tombstone and Dogde were places where to people in charge tried to
>>>> DISARM those they didn't approve of..
>>>> You would be more creduble if you had a glimmer about what you were
>>>> talking about .
>>> What about Afghanistan?
>>> Everyone has a gun there and it isn't what you'd call peaceful...
>> Feel free to provide PROOF that "everyone has a gun in Afghanistan"
>> Take as many screens as you need
>> (This is scuttle time, you cockroach)
> Afghan law allows each male person one AK-47 and a 30 round clip. Iraq
> has the same rule. Both very peaceful places.
And naturally you have EVIDENCE that people are ACTUALLY CARRYING those AKs
?
Don't thnk so
Not to mention the silliness of the notion that just because there is a law
that allows OWNERSHIP, it automatically follows that:
a) people actually do own the item
b) it also proves to be some magical talisman against criminals like the
Taliban
> However, those areas do have one small advantage. Alcohol is not
> "socially acceptable" there, although it can be obtained. So, alcohol
> fueled "naughtiness" is far lower than in the U.S.
> --
How cute and even more how (ir) relevant
Like the rest of your silliness
Richard Casady
wrote:
>Please post and explain those 20,000 laws to us humble citizens that
>have always carried a gun. I certainly wish I owned a good gun store.
>They are a gold mine.
Fifty states with an average of 400 towns each, with a ordinance
forbidding outdoor discharge of a firearm, would cover it.
Casady
SaPeIsMa
> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hgjogn$9p8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
>>>>>> Coast during the same period of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a
>>>>> violent world... NOT
>>>>
>>>> <cough>
>>>> Afghanistan has unequivocally proven that it doesn't need guns in order
>>>> to kill.
>>>> http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
>>>>
>>>> Once again...
>>>> GUNS don't kill people...
>>>> PEOPLE kill people!
>>>
>>> And Afghans seem very good at it.
>>>
>>> It's the logical extension of the society you try to make everyone part
>>> of.
>>>
>>
>> You are unable to "logically extend" even a finger
>> So doing so for a concept is way beyond your ken
>>
>
> lack of any content noted...
>
Yes
We have noted your lack of content whenever you try to redirect
I'm surprised that you finally noticed
Just shows that there is always hope, even for losers
SaPeIsMa
> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>> It should be "People with GUNS Kill people"
>>
>> That statement directly implies that ALL people with guns kill people.
>> Horribly inaccurate statement.
>> Want proof?
>> I've been carrying a gun for YEARS, (both professionally and on personal
>> time) and have yet to "kill" anyone.....
>> Self-defense or otherwise.
>
> Visit Afghanistan...
>
> Then you might get to shoot someone.
>
It's always funny to read the hidden hoplophobe come to the surface
And it's usually in a statemetn where they suggest some other party go
kill someone, anyone.
William Black
I would have said all those soldiers coming home with 7.62 mm holes in
them is proof that enough people there have them to make being a soldier
from a foreign country reasonably hazardous.
In a society where blood feuds are common and can last up to 300 years a
prudent man carries a gun.
William Black
>
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hgl41h$sfd$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>> It should be "People with GUNS Kill people"
>>>
>>> That statement directly implies that ALL people with guns kill people.
>>> Horribly inaccurate statement.
>>> Want proof?
>>> I've been carrying a gun for YEARS, (both professionally and on
>>> personal time) and have yet to "kill" anyone.....
>>> Self-defense or otherwise.
>>
>> Visit Afghanistan...
>>
>> Then you might get to shoot someone.
>>
>
> It's always funny to read the hidden hoplophobe come to the surface
I thought, and I have a first edition of the book where the term occurs
for the first time, that this was an irrational fear of guns.
As I keep guns in the house and both my wife and I shoot this is a touch
unlikely.
Richard Casady
>Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
>Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
Feel free to prove it is legal to ride a bicycle in your jurisdiction.
Next, provide proof that everyone rides one. Duh.
Casady
SaPeIsMa
So now you're claiming that it's the law-abiding citizens who are shooting
our soldiers and NOT the Taliban ?
Or are you trying to conflate the two groups to make your (dishonest) point
?
William Black
I can't tell the difference between them, and neither can anyone else
so far...
Jim Yanik
news:7p655s...@mid.individual.net:
> Scout wrote:
>> "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:7p555i...@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will
>>>> be legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
>>>> citizens.
>>> **You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in
>>> your argument:
>>>
>>> 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
all the greater reason for the rest to have the means to stop them.
Example;"gun-free" schools;a target-rich environment,with all the potential
victims KNOWN to be unarmed.Perfect for terrorists. Then look at Israel and
their terrorist/school problem;they allowed armed citizens and school
employees,and no more school shootings.
>>> 2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to
>>> ensure that bad people have restricted access to guns.
and that STILL don't work.
Also,your argument doesn't consider cultural differences,which are more of
the reason UK and Japan "gun crime" is lower than that of the US.
UK and Japanese people have been conditioned over centuries to not have
arms,to be subjects of their Lords,to defer to their "betters".
Mexico has very strict gun control,yet is awash in gun crime.
Switzerland is "awash in guns",yet has low gun crime.
>>>In the US,
>>> there is zero impediment.
Hyperbole,ignorance,or willful blindness.
Most likely the latter,since Trev has been "educated" on this many
times,but continues with his incorrect claim.
>>
>> Really? So those 20,000 laws don't actually exist?
>>
>> I will call you a liar on this Trevor, because there are numerious
>> impediments.
>
> Please post and explain those 20,000 laws to us humble citizens that
> have always carried a gun. I certainly wish I owned a good gun store.
> They are a gold mine.
How would that be if your general public aren't allowed to own them?
(or only under onerous conditions designed to minimize gun ownership..)
That severely restricts your market.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Jack Linthicum
> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
> > "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:hglaab$s8i$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
> >>> "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:lZSdndkY28HbRbDW...@earthlink.com...
> >>>> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:S82dnazXH8rr6rDW...@posted.cpinternet...
> >>>>> "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:hgjlrp$kb7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>>> SaPeIsMa wrote:
> >>>>>>> "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
> >>>>>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
The Taliban are those who have been paid, otherwise its just a citizen
SaPeIsMa
Now there's a convenient way to cover your bullshit
Klaus Schadenfreude
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>"Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>news:7p555i...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>
>>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
>>> legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED) citizens.
>>
>> **You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in your
>> argument:
>>
>> 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
Wouldn't this be offset by the number of bad people that go "good?"
>> 2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to ensure
>> that bad people have restricted access to guns.
At least he admits they're only "attempts."
>In the US, there is zero impediment.
>
>Really? So those 20,000 laws don't actually exist?
>
>I will call you a liar on this Trevor, because there are numerious
>impediments.
I'd have to go along with you on this one- even Trevor can't be that
stupid.
Lookout
<am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>Mr. Albritton wrote:
>{snip}
>
>>
>> What's next? Outlawing the possession of a rock?
>
>Shhh. Do not give them the idea.
>
>Andrew Swallow
Childish post. But that's what we expect from you idiots.
rigger
> "Mr. Albritton" <albritto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> >news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
> >> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
> > If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
> > legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED) citizens.
>
> surprised at the constant training and precautions police persons take to
> protect their weapons from falling into the wrong hands.
> Look over this history of Tombstone and Dodge. Everyone carried weapons,
> plenty of robbing and stealing, not to mention cattle rustling, was done.
> Also, criminals don't carry calling cards or send advanced notifications.
> But, people do have a right to be concerned about ineffective law
> enforcement, repeat offenders, poorly run courts, prisons with high return
> rates, massive illegal immigration, and the constant need for reform which
> never seems to happen. Perhaps it's time to start voting out incumbent
> legislatures and governors, and keep voting them out until needed reforms
> occur.
> But, if you just must "blast away" in the meantime, please make sure you
> have a clear target and a clean background, actual criminals sure don't!
> --http://folding.stanford.edu
> Save lives, visit today!
"Perhaps it's time to start voting out incumbent
legislatures and governors, and keep voting them out until needed
reforms
occur."
Uneducated or only stupid? You and what army are going
to overcome the hundreds of millions dollars spent on
hundreds of millions of voters with an IQ small enough to
leave room in a thimble?
Oh well, dreaming is free; dream on.
dennis
in nca
rigger
wrote:
> "Mr. Albritton" <albritto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> >news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>
> >> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>
> > If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
> > legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED) citizens.
>
> argument:
>
> 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
> impediment.
>
> --
> Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
"In the US, there is zero
impediment. "
Dumb-de-dumb-dumb.
dennis
in nca
Gray Ghost
news:7p64rt...@mid.individual.net:
Quite the contrary. Most normal people, when carrying, realize the
addiditonal responsibility involved and the higher standards to which
decisions they make will be held.
--
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.
"Hide the Decline"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
31,486 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhDs, don't agree the
science is settled.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response
Gray Ghost
@news.eternal-september.org:
> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hgl41h$sfd$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>>> It should be "People with GUNS Kill people"
>>>>
>>>> That statement directly implies that ALL people with guns kill people.
>>>> Horribly inaccurate statement.
>>>> Want proof?
>>>> I've been carrying a gun for YEARS, (both professionally and on
>>>> personal time) and have yet to "kill" anyone.....
>>>> Self-defense or otherwise.
>>>
>>> Visit Afghanistan...
>>>
>>> Then you might get to shoot someone.
>>>
>>
>> It's always funny to read the hidden hoplophobe come to the surface
>
> I thought, and I have a first edition of the book where the term occurs
> for the first time, that this was an irrational fear of guns.
>
> As I keep guns in the house and both my wife and I shoot this is a touch
> unlikely.
>
Oh, so you're rational and safe with guns, burt we're not. I gotcha.
Ray Fischer
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:iYudnQMYwNNO1LDW...@earthlink.com...
>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>> Yes, just like in Tombstone and Dodge.
>>> Tombstone and Dogde were places where to people in charge tried to DISARM
>>> those they didn't approve of..
>>
>> Having a gun seems to convince people that they're powerful enough to
>> get away with being assholes.
>
>None of us were aware that you carried a gun.
I don't. How many do you have, asshole?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>>>>>
>>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
>>>>> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
>>>>> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
>>>>> robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a different
>>>> community.
>>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>> And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected the
>>> right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere in the
>>> State.
>>
>> Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
>
I copied HIS argument.
> You seem to revelle in petty
>retorts.
Back at you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>
>"Alexander" <Alex...@thegreat.org> wrote in message
>news:7p64vc...@mid.individual.net...
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
>>>>>> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
>>>>>> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
>>>>>> robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a
>>>>> different community.
>>>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>>> And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected
>>>> the right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere
>>>> in the State.
>>>
>>> Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
>>> Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
>>
>> The proof is usually on the Naysayer, Ray. You seem to revelle in petty
>> retorts.
>>
>
>The real issue, is why SHOULD I provide any such proof
Because you asked for such proof in regard to Afghanistan.
Are you a hypocrite?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>>> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>>> And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected
>>>> the right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere
>>>> in the State.
>>>
>>> Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
>>> Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
>>
>> The proof is usually on the Naysayer, Ray. You seem to revelle in petty
>> retorts.
>
>The real issue, is why SHOULD I provide any such proof
The cockroach scuttles.
Feel free to provide PROOF that "everyone has a gun in Afghanistan"
Take as many screens as you need
(This is scuttle time, you cockroach)
SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> in <S82dnazXH8rr6rDW...@posted.cpinternet>
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Scout
> Scout wrote:
>> "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:7p555i...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>> legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
>>>> citizens.
>>> **You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in your
>>> argument:
>>>
>>> 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
>>> 2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to
>>> ensure
>>> that bad people have restricted access to guns. In the US, there is zero
>>> impediment.
>>
>>
>> I will call you a liar on this Trevor, because there are numerious
>> impediments.
>
> always carried a gun. I certainly wish I owned a good gun store.
> They are a gold mine.
Feel free to have your mother read them to you and try to explain what they
mean in terms small enough for you to understand.
18USC922
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html
Scout
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:o3dsi55gpl2c5upfc...@4ax.com...
I disagree Trevor can be that stupid........by the very fact that he has
just demonstrated that depth of stupidity.
RD (The Sandman)
>
> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>
Your statement......you defend it.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
RD (The Sandman)
news:yoKdncpBcZGM0LDW...@earthlink.com:
> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
>> legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
>> citizens.
> Except, for one, to steal said weapons to resell as "cold" pieces.
> You'd be surprised at the constant training and precautions police
> persons take to protect their weapons from falling into the wrong
> hands. Look over this history of Tombstone and Dodge. Everyone
> carried weapons, plenty of robbing and stealing, not to mention cattle
> rustling, was done.
Tombstone folks didn't carry many guns when the Earps were there. It was
one of the laws that ended up being a cause in the OK Corral shootout.
Also, criminals don't carry calling cards or send
> advanced notifications. But, people do have a right to be concerned
> about ineffective law enforcement, repeat offenders, poorly run
> courts, prisons with high return rates, massive illegal immigration,
> and the constant need for reform which never seems to happen. Perhaps
> it's time to start voting out incumbent legislatures and governors,
> and keep voting them out until needed reforms occur.
> But, if you just must "blast away" in the meantime, please make sure
> you have a clear target and a clean background, actual criminals sure
> don't!
--
RD (The Sandman)
> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>
>>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
>>> legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
>>> citizens.
>>
>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
>> Coast during the same period of time.
>>
>>
>
> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a
> violent world... NOT
>
It might be if not for the Al Queada and US folks in there.
RD (The Sandman)
news:hgju01$s3j$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hgjogn$9p8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the
>>>>> East Coast during the same period of time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a
>>>> violent world... NOT
>>>
>>> <cough>
>>> Afghanistan has unequivocally proven that it doesn't need guns in
>>> order to kill.
>>> http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
>>>
>>> Once again...
>>> GUNS don't kill people...
>>> PEOPLE kill people!
>>
>> And Afghans seem very good at it.
>>
>> It's the logical extension of the society you try to make everyone
>> part of.
>>
>
> It should be "People with GUNS Kill people"
So do people withoug guns. What's your point?
RD (The Sandman)
> tankfixer wrote:
>> In article <hgjm20$kb7$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> willia...@hotmail.co.uk says...
>>> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will
>>>>> be legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
>>>>> citizens.
>>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
>>>> Coast during the same period of time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a
>>> violent world... NOT
>>
>> Different culture.. is it not ?
>
> But...
>
> An armed society should be a polite and crime free and peaceful
> society.
>
> Are you saying that the problems in any society are cultural?
Most problems in society are cultural or socio economic in nature.
RD (The Sandman)
>
> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>
>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will be
>> legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
>> citizens.
>
> **You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in your
> argument:
>
> 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
Yep.
> 2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to
> ensure that bad people have restricted access to guns. In the US,
> there is zero impediment.
As usual, you fall into your meaningless and incorrect drivel before you
get to your sig line.
RD (The Sandman)
news:7p655s...@mid.individual.net:
> Scout wrote:
>> "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:7p555i...@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will
>>>> be legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
>>>> citizens.
>>> **You'd think. Back here in the real world, there a few flaws in
>>> your argument:
>>>
>>> 1) "Good" people sometimes go bad.
>>> 2) In the rest of the civilised world, serious attempts are made to
>>> ensure that bad people have restricted access to guns. In the US,
>>> there is zero impediment.
>>
>> Really? So those 20,000 laws don't actually exist?
>>
>> I will call you a liar on this Trevor, because there are numerious
>> impediments.
>
> Please post and explain those 20,000 laws to us humble citizens that
> have always carried a gun. I certainly wish I owned a good gun store.
> They are a gold mine.
Not as much as some think.
RD (The Sandman)
news:4b2e6a2d$0$1606$742e...@news.sonic.net:
Then where did you get the idea you could be an asshole?
RD (The Sandman)
news:mckqi5p3rpal2bdor...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:20:59 -0800, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
> <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>
> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>
> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
> robberies fell to near-nothing.
Oh? Which county was that? Sure you aren't thinking of Kennesaw, GA?
> But don't let the facts get in your way. You don't like people
> owning guns because you wouldn't trust yourself with one, isn't that
> true? Fine. Just don't expect others to give them up because you're
> not to be trusted.
Tommy Shannon
> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in
> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com:
>
>
>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>
>
>
> Your statement......you defend it.
He couldn't/wouldn't defend anything.
He's a pussy without a spine.
After all, he isn't even a real "doctor", he just "played doctor" with
unsuspecting children.
RD (The Sandman)
>
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
> news:S82dna3XH8ro6rDW...@posted.cpinternet...
>>
>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hgjloi$k4q$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>
>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>
>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that
>>>> made it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was
>>>> against religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year
>>>> and robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>
>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a
>>> different community.
>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>
>> And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected
>> the right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about
>> anywhere in the State.
>> And lo and behold, Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates in all
>> the States of the Union
>>
>
>
> Vermont's low crime rate has nothing to do with people being allowed
> to
> carry guns, the fact is 99% of them don't carry.
I agree with your statement but have no idea where you got your stat.
> Vermont is the most rural state and it has almost no urban enviroment
> that has more to do with things there.
Most crime is in urban areas....yes.
> and for the Fla county cited, what were the crime stats previously?
I believe he was thinking of Kennesaw, Georgia.
RD (The Sandman)
> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>"Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>
>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>
>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that
>>>> made it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was
>>>> against religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year
>>>> and robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>
>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a
>>> different community.
>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>
>>And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected
>>the right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about
>>anywhere in the State.
>
> Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
Since that statement wasn't made, why would you expect him to prove it?
> Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
To do what?
RD (The Sandman)
news:UtCdnTZQKfQ-u7PW...@posted.cpinternet:
>
> "Alexander" <Alex...@thegreat.org> wrote in message
> news:7p64vc...@mid.individual.net...
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that
>>>>>> made it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was
>>>>>> against religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that
>>>>>> year and robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a
>>>>> different community.
>>>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>>> And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS
>>>> protected the right of the people to carry openly or concealed just
>>>> about anywhere in the State.
>>>
>>> Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
>>> Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
>>
>> The proof is usually on the Naysayer, Ray. You seem to revelle in
>> petty retorts.
>>
>
> The real issue, is why SHOULD I provide any such proof
> I didn't make a claim that they did
> I just metionned that Vermont has NO RESTRICTIONS
> Idiots like ray can't seem to think their way from A to B without
> falling into stupidity.
>
>
You noticed that, too. Amazing phenomenon, eh?
Scout
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hgl41h$sfd$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Horribly inaccurate statement.
>>>> Want proof?
>>>> I've been carrying a gun for YEARS, (both professionally and on
>>>> personal time) and have yet to "kill" anyone.....
>>>> Self-defense or otherwise.
>>>
>>> Visit Afghanistan...
>>>
>>> Then you might get to shoot someone.
>>>
>>
>> It's always funny to read the hidden hoplophobe come to the surface
>
> I thought, and I have a first edition of the book where the term occurs
> for the first time, that this was an irrational fear of guns.
>
> As I keep guns in the house and both my wife and I shoot this is a touch
> unlikely.
Is that why you keep guns? To shoot someone, anyone? Planning a trip abroad?
Scout
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>> It should be "People with GUNS Kill people"
>>
>> That statement directly implies that ALL people with guns kill people.
>> Horribly inaccurate statement.
>> Want proof?
>> I've been carrying a gun for YEARS, (both professionally and on personal
>> time) and have yet to "kill" anyone.....
>> Self-defense or otherwise.
>
> Visit Afghanistan...
>
> Then you might get to shoot someone.
Is that why you own a gun Mr. Black?
A desire to go shoot someone?
Interesting how you constantly show attitudes unlike any firearms instructor
I ever met.
Scout
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>"Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>
>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>
>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
>>>> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
>>>> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
>>>> robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>
>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a different
>>> community.
>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>
>>And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected the
>>right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere in
>>the
>>State.
>
> Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
> Take as many crseens as you feel are necessary.
please point out where he made the claim that they do.
Tommy Shannon
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hglamr$s8i$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>As I keep guns in the house and both my wife and I shoot this is a touch
>>unlikely.
> Is that why you keep guns? To shoot someone, anyone? Planning a trip abroad?
Billy Black lies.
tankfixer
Sandman)" says...
>
> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
> news:hgjr83$3q1$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > tankfixer wrote:
> >> In article <hgjm20$kb7$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> willia...@hotmail.co.uk says...
> >>> SaPeIsMa wrote:
> >>>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:hgjdgq$bta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:86udnemufPg2qLDW...@supernews.com...
> >>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
> >>>>> If all of the GOOD people carry guns, then all the CRIMINALS will
> >>>>> be legitimately afraid to screw with all of the honest (and ARMED)
> >>>>> citizens.
> >>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the East
> >>>> Coast during the same period of time.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a
> >>> violent world... NOT
> >>
> >> Different culture.. is it not ?
> >
> > But...
> >
> > An armed society should be a polite and crime free and peaceful
> > society.
> >
> > Are you saying that the problems in any society are cultural?
>
> Most problems in society are cultural or socio economic in nature.
It's easier to blame some inanimate object than to take responsibility
for ones actions..
Ray Fischer
>"Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:hgju01$s3j$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hgjogn$9p8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Mr. Albritton wrote:
>>>>>> Which was why the so-called "Wild West" was far safer than the
>>>>>> East Coast during the same period of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Afghanistan is such an island of peace and tranquillity in a
>>>>> violent world... NOT
>>>>
>>>> <cough>
>>>> Afghanistan has unequivocally proven that it doesn't need guns in
>>>> order to kill.
>>>> http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
>>>>
>>>> Once again...
>>>> GUNS don't kill people...
>>>> PEOPLE kill people!
>>>
>>> And Afghans seem very good at it.
>>>
>>> It's the logical extension of the society you try to make everyone
>>> part of.
>>>
>>
>> It should be "People with GUNS Kill people"
>
>So do people withoug guns. What's your point?
Don't play stupid.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
America has too many selfish morons who care nothing about other
people and insist upon their right to do as they please no matter the
cost to others. It's a culture of "me first and screw you."
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>>>Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>>> Yes, just like in Tombstone and Dodge.
>>>>> Tombstone and Dogde were places where to people in charge tried to
>>>>> DISARM those they didn't approve of..
>>>>
>>>> Having a gun seems to convince people that they're powerful enough
>>>> to get away with being assholes.
>>>
>>>None of us were aware that you carried a gun.
>>
>> I don't. How many do you have, asshole?
>
>Then where did you get the idea you could be an asshole?
Are you stupid, insane, or both? Or just one of those knuckle-dragging
semi-literate gun cult bigots?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>news:4b2dd17f$0$1583$742e...@news.sonic.net:
>
>> SaPeIsMa <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>>"Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>>
>>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that
>>>>> made it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was
>>>>> against religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year
>>>>> and robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a
>>>> different community.
>>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>>
>>>And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected
>>>the right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about
>>>anywhere in the State.
>>
>> Feel free to provide PROOF that everybody carries guns in Vermont.
>
>Since that statement wasn't made, why would you expect him to prove it?
Feel free to provide PROOF that "everyone has a gun in Afghanistan"
Take as many screens as you need
(This is scuttle time, you cockroach)
SaPeIsMa in <S82dnazXH8rr6rDW...@posted.cpinternet>
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>
>Your statement......you defend it.
Your cult ideology.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Fiftycal
>>Most problems in society are cultural or socio economic in nature.
>
>America has too many selfish morons who care nothing about other
>people and insist upon their right to do as they please no matter the
>cost to others. It's a culture of "me first and screw you."
So what? I've worked for what I have. If you want to give the
government your EXCESS MONEY to make the lives of the po' better, do
so. Just quit trying to make yourself feel better by giving someone
else MY MONEY.
Scotius
<albri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>
>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>
>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
>> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
>> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
>> robberies fell to near-nothing.
>
>Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a different
>community.
>http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
I read about one in the early '90s that was in Florida, but
thanks for letting me know there was another one with positive results
too. Of course, to the gun grabbers, no result is positive if it isn't
one they're seeking.
There's nothing more morbid than people who get up and do a
tap dance whenever there's a mass shooting, and start making plans of
how they'll spin to the media that it's all the fault of what they
don't like. They're parasites.
Scotius
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
>news:S82dna3XH8ro6rDW...@posted.cpinternet...
>>
>> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hgjloi$k4q$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>"If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>>>
>>>> Straw man argument. No one ever said that.
>>>>
>>>> The NRA people rightly point out that in states where carry is
>>>> allowed, crime has often dropped. In one county in Florida that made
>>>> it mandatory to have a firearms in the home unless it was against
>>>> religious or personal beliefs, murders were ZERO that year and
>>>> robberies fell to near-nothing.
>>>
>>> Actually, that town is in Georgia, unless you're referencing a different
>>> community.
>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
>>
>> And let's not forget the State of Vermont, which has ALWAYS protected the
>> right of the people to carry openly or concealed just about anywhere in
>> the State.
>> And lo and behold, Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates in all the
>> States of the Union
>>
>
>
> Vermont's low crime rate has nothing to do with people being allowed to
>carry guns, the fact is 99% of them don't carry.
>
>Vermont is the most rural state and it has almost no urban enviroment that
>has more to do with things there.
>
>and for the Fla county cited, what were the crime stats previously?
>
This was back in the early '90s. I can find out if it's
important to you. All I remember is that after that law went through,
they had no murders the next year, and a drastically reduced number of
break ins.
Gun control advocates don't care about that. They want what
makes them feel unsafe banned, and it isn't because they care about
other people.
Scout
> The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in
>>>
>>> "If everyone carrys a gun, then nobody will use a gun."
>>
>>Your statement......you defend it.
>
> Your cult ideology.
Your ignorance, acknowledged.
Scout
I accept your admission you are ignorant of attitudes in the US.
> It's a culture of "me first and screw you."
Where as you would prefer "screw you, I don't like it"?
Scout
Then you shouldn't do so.