US Navy Vessels Named For Foreigners
David Loewe, Jr.
active U.S. Navy warship named after a foreign national.
That got me to thinking. What other past US Navy vessels have been
named for foreign nationals? The Wikipedia entry on DDG-81 gives a
couple of others - "the first destroyer and only the fourth U.S.
warship named after an Englishman. (The others were Alfred, an armed
merchantman named after King Alfred the Great; Raleigh, a continental
frigate, named after Sir Walter Raleigh and Effingham, named after
Thomas Howard the 3rd Earl of Effingham who resigned his commission
rather than fight the Americans during the American Revolutionary
War.)"
Others I can get off the top of my head include -
USS Comte de Grasse (DD-974)
USS Lafayette (SSBN-616)
USS Tecumseh (SSBN-628)
USS Casimir Pulaski (SSBN-633)
USS Simon Bolivar (SSBN-641)
USS Kamehameha (SSBN-642)
arguably, John Paul Jones never really became an American citizen
(DD-10, (DD-230), (DD-932), (DDG-53) and whatever USS Paul Jones, Jr.
was
von Steuben became an American citizen in 1783
Any others that anyone can think of?
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CJ Adams
>
> Wikipedia says that USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) is the only
> active U.S. Navy warship named after a foreign national.
>
> That got me to thinking. What other past US Navy vessels have been
> named for foreign nationals? T
> USS Tecumseh (SSBN-628)
Tecumseh, a Shawnee, was actually on the UK Army
List and fighting US forces when he was KIA on 5
Oct 1813. He may be your only enemy combatant to
have a commissioned warship named for him.
(Not convinced that a Shawnee qualifies as a
foreign national, though.)
Cheers
CJ Adams
Arte et Marte
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
I somehow don't think that Tecumseh thought of himself as a citizen of
the USA...
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Winston Churchill.
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USS Mariano G. Vallejo, SSBN 640.
ALV
David Loewe, Jr.
<ger...@nict.go.jp> wrote:
>"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> writes:
>
>> Wikipedia says that USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) is the only
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uh...
Gernot?
>> active U.S. Navy warship named after a foreign national.
>>
>> That got me to thinking. What other past US Navy vessels have been
>> named for foreign nationals? The Wikipedia entry on DDG-81 gives a
>> couple of others - "the first destroyer and only the fourth U.S.
>> warship named after an Englishman. (The others were Alfred, an armed
>> merchantman named after King Alfred the Great; Raleigh, a continental
>> frigate, named after Sir Walter Raleigh and Effingham, named after
>> Thomas Howard the 3rd Earl of Effingham who resigned his commission
>> rather than fight the Americans during the American Revolutionary
>> War.)"
>>
>> Others I can get off the top of my head include -
>> USS Comte de Grasse (DD-974)
>> USS Lafayette (SSBN-616)
>> USS Tecumseh (SSBN-628)
>> USS Casimir Pulaski (SSBN-633)
>> USS Simon Bolivar (SSBN-641)
>> USS Kamehameha (SSBN-642)
>>
>> arguably, John Paul Jones never really became an American citizen
>> (DD-10, (DD-230), (DD-932), (DDG-53) and whatever USS Paul Jones, Jr.
>> was
>>
>> von Steuben became an American citizen in 1783
>>
>> Any others that anyone can think of?
>
>Winston Churchill.
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Gernot Hassenpflug
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:53:46 +0900, Gernot Hassenpflug
> <ger...@nict.go.jp> wrote:
>
>>"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> writes:
>>
>>> Wikipedia says that USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) is the only
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Uh...
>
> Gernot?
AAAAK! For some reason I did not see that line *at all*. I know, it
was so obvious I actually *looked* for it. Twice.... there goes my
youth, sigh.
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routing problems on the neural net
CJ Adams
>
> I somehow don't think that Tecumseh thought of himself as a citizen of
> the USA...
Very true. I doubt he considered himself to be a
subject of George III either.
You don't suppose that USS Tecumseh is named after
a *gasp* unlawful combatant? ;-)
Here's a quote believed to be from the man himself:
"So live your life that the fear of death can
never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their
religion; respect others in their view, and demand
that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect
your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek
to make your life long and its purpose in the
service of your people. Prepare a noble death song
for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when
meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when
in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and
grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give
thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If
you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault
lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing,
for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs
the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time
to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled
with the fear of death, so that when their time
comes they weep and pray for a little more time to
live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home."
Which he did.
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
>David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
>> Wikipedia says that USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) is the only
>> active U.S. Navy warship named after a foreign national.
>>
>> That got me to thinking. What other past US Navy vessels have been
>> named for foreign nationals? The Wikipedia entry on DDG-81 gives a
>> couple of others - "the first destroyer and only the fourth U.S.
>> warship named after an Englishman. (The others were Alfred, an armed
>> merchantman named after King Alfred the Great; Raleigh, a continental
>> frigate, named after Sir Walter Raleigh and Effingham, named after
>> Thomas Howard the 3rd Earl of Effingham who resigned his commission
>> rather than fight the Americans during the American Revolutionary
>> War.)"
>>
>> Others I can get off the top of my head include -
>> USS Comte de Grasse (DD-974)
>> USS Lafayette (SSBN-616)
>> USS Tecumseh (SSBN-628)
>> USS Casimir Pulaski (SSBN-633)
>> USS Simon Bolivar (SSBN-641)
>> USS Kamehameha (SSBN-642)
>>
>> arguably, John Paul Jones never really became an American citizen
>> (DD-10), (DD-230), (DD-932), (DDG-53) and whatever USS Paul Jones, Jr.
>> was
>>
>> von Steuben became an American citizen in 1783
>>
>> Any others that anyone can think of?
>
>USS Mariano G. Vallejo, SSBN 640.
First off, SSBN-640 was USS Benjamin Franklin. USS Mariano G. Vallejo
was SSBN-658.
Secondly, Vallejo seems to have, like von Steuben, become an American
citizen.
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David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
>David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> I somehow don't think that Tecumseh thought of himself as a citizen of
>> the USA...
>
>Very true. I doubt he considered himself to be a
>subject of George III either.
More like the leader of a sovereign nation and confederation - an
Ally.
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victory!"
- Apocalypse Now
Jack Linthicum
I believe he was a citizen when he died, otherwise add such as G.
Washington, A. Hamilton etc.
Joe Osman
There is another US ship named after a British general. Anyone know
which ship?
Joe
William Hamblen
USS Rizal, named for Jose Rizal.
Bud
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Hank Murphy
"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Wikipedia says that USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) is the only
> active U.S. Navy warship named after a foreign national.
>
> That got me to thinking. What other past US Navy vessels have been
> named for foreign nationals?
CVL-28 Cabot, named for the explorer
Hank Murphy
speaking only for myself
David Loewe, Jr.
<hmu...@earthlink.newt> wrote:
>"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Wikipedia says that USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) is the only
>> active U.S. Navy warship named after a foreign national.
>>
>> That got me to thinking. What other past US Navy vessels have been
>> named for foreign nationals?
><snip>
>
>CVL-28 Cabot, named for the explorer
Are you sure? CVL-28 seems to have been named for the brig USS Cabot
of 1775. Was that ship named for the famous explorer? If so, you've
found *two*.
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David Loewe, Jr.
Good work!
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Jack Linthicum
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:59:11 GMT, "Hank Murphy"
>
CVs are usually named for
Nuclear Aircraft Carrier
CVN Famous Navy ships;Presidents;Admiral;Politicians
Aircraft Carrier Fleet Aircraft Carriers, Large CV, CVB
Famous battles;President Famous Navy ships;famous battles;
President; Places associated with aviation history
Fleet Aircraft Carrier CV Famous Navy ships;famous battles
Light Aircraft Carrier CVL Famous Navy ships;famous battles
Escort Carrier CVE Sounds & bays; battles of WW II
David Loewe, Jr.
<jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Jul 20, 12:39 pm, "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:59:11 GMT, "Hank Murphy"
>>
>> <hmur...@earthlink.newt> wrote:
>> >"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> Wikipedia says that USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81) is the only
>> >> active U.S. Navy warship named after a foreign national.
>>
>> >> That got me to thinking. What other past US Navy vessels have been
>> >> named for foreign nationals?
>> ><snip>
>>
>> >CVL-28 Cabot, named for the explorer
>>
>> Are you sure? CVL-28 seems to have been named for the brig USS Cabot
>> of 1775. Was that ship named for the famous explorer? If so, you've
>> found *two*.
>CVs are usually named for
>
>Nuclear Aircraft Carrier
>CVN Famous Navy ships;Presidents;Admiral;Politicians
>
>Aircraft Carrier Fleet Aircraft Carriers, Large CV, CVB
>Famous battles;President Famous Navy ships;famous battles;
>President; Places associated with aviation history
>
>Fleet Aircraft Carrier CV Famous Navy ships;famous battles
>
>Light Aircraft Carrier CVL Famous Navy ships;famous battles
>
>Escort Carrier CVE Sounds & bays; battles of WW II
None of which tells us if the Revolutionary war brig Cabot was named
for John Cabot.
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Jack Linthicum
whichever, there is a site on the web that says CVL-28 was named for
the explorer and another that it was named for the brig. Take your
choice. You use this one or pick your own
However, the USS Cabot commissioned in
1943 wasn't the first American ship to bear the
name. A vessel called "Cabot", a 14-gun brig,
was purchased in Philadelphia during
November 1775 and used in the Revolutionary
War. She was named for John Cabot
(1450-1498). the Venetian navigator who
discovered the North American continent in
1497 while sailing for King Henry VII of
England.
The Cabot was, in fact, the first Continental
naval ship to be seized by the British. In 1777,
she was forced ashore in Nova Scotia, but the
captain and crew escaped the British, who took
the brig and refitted her for service in the Royal
Navy.http://www.mcallen.lib.tx.us/books/cabot/cab00_02.htm#CH01
Joe Osman
I finally had time to look it up in "The Marine Corps Reader" edited
by Clyde Metcalf, 1944. It was the USS Stack, a WWII destroyer.
Edward Stack was a Continental Marine lieutenant on the Bonhomme
Richard when it took the Serapis in the Revolutionary War. He was an
Irishman in French service before John Paul Jones commisioned him. He
left the Continental Marines in 1780, returned to French service and
with the rest of the Irish Brigade joined the British Army in 1794. He
was promoted to general in 1830.
Joe
Joe
David Loewe, Jr.
>whichever, there is a site on the web that says CVL-28 was named for
>the explorer and another that it was named for the brig. Take your
>choice. You use this one or pick your own
>
>However, the USS Cabot commissioned in
>1943 wasn't the first American ship to bear the
>name. A vessel called "Cabot", a 14-gun brig,
>was purchased in Philadelphia during
>November 1775 and used in the Revolutionary
>War. She was named for John Cabot
>(1450-1498). the Venetian navigator who
>discovered the North American continent in
>1497 while sailing for King Henry VII of
>England.
> The Cabot was, in fact, the first Continental
>naval ship to be seized by the British. In 1777,
>she was forced ashore in Nova Scotia, but the
>captain and crew escaped the British, who took
>the brig and refitted her for service in the Royal
>Navy.http://www.mcallen.lib.tx.us/books/cabot/cab00_02.htm#CH01
Much better...
Credit Mr. Murphy with *two*.
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people, snake handlers and those with pierced tongues."
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Harold E Holt (FF1074) Australian Prime Minister.
David Loewe, Jr.
Good one.
Hard to believe that we had a USS Harold E. Holt before we had a USS
Winston S. Churchill. Not to diminish Mr. Holt, but, in light of who
and what Mr. Churchill was and what he accomplished, what were they
thinking?
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should avoid."
Publius Syrus
Jack Linthicum
Today, Holt is mainly remembered for the sensational circumstances of
his death, for his controversial role in expanding Australia's
involvement in the Vietnam War and for his famous (or infamous) "All
the way with LBJ" quote. In the opinion of his biographer Tom Frame,
this has tended to obscure the many achievements of Holt's long and
distinguished political career.
David Loewe, Jr.
>Today, Holt is mainly remembered for the sensational circumstances of
>his death, for his controversial role in expanding Australia's
>involvement in the Vietnam War and for his famous (or infamous) "All
>the way with LBJ" quote. In the opinion of his biographer Tom Frame,
>this has tended to obscure the many achievements of Holt's long and
>distinguished political career.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Holt
A) Yes, I looked him and the vessel up on Wikipedia before I replied.
B) Is this supposed to tell me that you think that Holt (or Menzies,
Curtin or, now, Howard) deserves such recognition before Churchill in
the naming of an American warship?
C) Frankly, Frank Getting, would make more sense.
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- George Bernard Shaw
Jack Linthicum
Ask LBJ the next time you see him
David Loewe, Jr.
>Ask LBJ the next time you see him
So, you're just going to dodge.
Par for your course.
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I picked her up in my new VW van.
She wore a peasant blouse with nothing underneath,
I said, Hi, and she said, Yeah, I guess I am."
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Christopher Manteuffel
> None of which tells us if the Revolutionary war brig Cabot was named
> for John Cabot.
DANFS seems to think it was.
http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/sail/cabot.htm
CVL 28's entry doesn't mention what she was named for, just that CV-16
was supposed to be Cabot before she was renamed Lexington (and no, the
Lex II entry doesn't mention which Cabot either).
Chris Manteuffel
Jack Linthicum
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:05:43 -0700, Jack Linthicum
>
>
>
No, I thought you had read the Wiki article, LBJ got the ship named
after Holt as a sign of appreciation for his backing of LBJ in
fighting the Vietnam War and as a tribute to the Australians. I didn't
think I would have to spell it out to such a brilliant mind. Sheesh
David Loewe, Jr.
>No, I thought you had read the Wiki article, LBJ got the ship named
>after Holt as a sign of appreciation for his backing of LBJ in
>fighting the Vietnam War and as a tribute to the Australians. I didn't
>think I would have to spell it out to such a brilliant mind. Sheesh
Apparently, you have no feel for idiom or nuance.