3 more dead suckers...drip...drip...drip...

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

------------------------------------------------------------
Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in Afghanistan.
Tuesday�s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S.
troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
------------------------------------------------------------

we told you so...drip...
;-)

--
definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS

[Richard]

On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in Afghanistan.

> Tuesday’s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S.

> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> we told you so...drip...
> ;-)
>

I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...

Are you always this much of a jerk?

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Not enough religious-like reverence for you, son?
;-)

[Richard]

Not enough respect....

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:42:31 AM
spewed

> definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS

definition: immoral - the unethical use of unearned titles from
nonexistent institutions

[Andrew Swallow]

No, Vincent Quin is frequently worse.

Andrew Swallow

[Steve Hix]

In article <Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,

Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.

[Richard]

On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
> In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in Afghanistan.

>>> Tuesday零 attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S.

>>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> we told you so...drip...
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>
>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>
> Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.

That's what I thought.

Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).

So I don't have to read his spew.

Bye PHrauD...

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Richard wrote:
> On 5/16/2013 8:22 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>> Afghanistan.

>>>> Tuesday�s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

>>>> U.S.
>>>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> we told you so...drip...
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>
>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>
>>
>> Not enough religious-like reverence for you, son?
>> ;-)
>
>
>
> Not enough respect....

murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS

neither respect nor solemn reverence for murderers
;-)

[jonathan]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
news:0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com...
\>

> --
> definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS

Isn't the insurgents doing the killing here? But maybe if the
US troops started using road side bombs you'd consider us
moral then?

I suppose you think the insurgents are killing and blowing
up whatever they can because they prefer a more
European form of democracy? Is that it? Or is it
a religious dictatorship they want?

Which is the moral goal, a dictatorship or democracy?
Which is it Mr Morality?

What's best for the Afghan people, and which side is
trying to give it to them, and which side is trying to
take it away?


s

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Richard wrote:

> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>
>> In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>> Afghanistan.

>>>> Tuesdayąs attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

>>>> U.S.
>>>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> we told you so...drip...
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>
>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>
>>
>> Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.
>
>
>
> That's what I thought.
>
> Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
> sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).

Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military
had not invaded and occupied. Large numbers of innocent people
would still be alive if the U.S. had not chosen to invade. War
should *always* be a last resort with no other options available.

You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
;-)

--

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Thursday, May 16, 2013 21:52:03 PM spewed

>
> You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
> moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.

you are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is immoral

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

jonathan wrote:

> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> news:0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com...
> \>
>
>>--
>>definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
>
>

> Which is the moral goal, a dictatorship or democracy?
> Which is it Mr Morality?

Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.

War is easy...peace is difficult.
;-)

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 08:30:51 -0400, Richard wrote
(in article <Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>):

> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in Afghanistan.

>> Tuesdayï¿œs attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S.

>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> we told you so...drip...
>> ;-)
>>
>
>
> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>
> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>

Yeah, he/she seem to take a great deal of glee over dead Americans.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 05:13:09 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <mqudnc1lhqECaQjM...@supernews.com>):

Shouldn't you be talking to the people that are doing the actual killing? No,
wait.....that might get you injured.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):

> Richard wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>
>>> In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>>> Afghanistan.

>>>>> Tuesdayï¿œs attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

>>>>> U.S.
>>>>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> we told you so...drip...
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>>
>>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>>
>>>
>>> Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's what I thought.
>>
>> Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
>> sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).
>
> Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military
> had not invaded and occupied. Large numbers of innocent people
> would still be alive if the U.S. had not chosen to invade. War
> should *always* be a last resort with no other options available.
>
> You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
> moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
> ;-)
>
>

Be sure to explain that to the French, Scandinavians, Italians, German and
Jews. Especially the Jews. I'm sure any of the above would slap the taste out
of your mouth for your stupidity.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Yes, son, the U.S. military is immoral in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia,
Libya, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and most any country over there.

Avoidable (unnecessary) wars *are* immoral...war should *always* be

a last resort with no other options available.

We Americans kill people for oil...for more material possessions, like
extra HD TVs and 2 SUVs...we prefer not to look how we get those
luxuries...how many innocent people must be killed.

(btw, son, learn what brainwash means...all militaries have a vested
interest in brainwashing new recruits, to pound in that whatever
they do is right so that the recruit will always follow orders, never
question their morality. Except through twisted "you too" type
logic one cannot attribute my anti-war stance to brainwashing.)

best regards from U.S.A,
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Professor, Morality and Ethics
;-)

[jonathan]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message

news:mqudnc1lhqECaQjM...@supernews.com...

What's difficult is nation building. If I recall the criticism
of our last involvement in Afghan was that we helped
get the Russians out, then walked away. This time we've
stuck around for almost a decade, spending furiously to try
to rebuild a nation and not leave behind a hell-hole.

But I would like to hear how we could help build the nation
if we left the Taliban in power? Your criticism implies there
was a better route to take, let's hear it?

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Joel Edge wrote:

> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> (in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
>
>
>>Richard wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>>>>Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>>>>Afghanistan.

>>>>>>Tuesday¹s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

>>>>>>U.S.
>>>>>>troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>we told you so...drip...
>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That's what I thought.
>>>
>>>Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
>>>sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).
>>
>>Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military
>>had not invaded and occupied. Large numbers of innocent people
>>would still be alive if the U.S. had not chosen to invade. War
>>should *always* be a last resort with no other options available.
>>
>>You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
>>moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
>>;-)
>>
>>
>
>
> Be sure to explain that to the French, Scandinavians, Italians, German and
> Jews.

Son, once a war starts, the bullets are flying, then it's too late,
and people will use the war itself to justify more war. WW2 was
largely *caused* by U.S. and allies in the Versailles Treaty that
ended WW1...WW2 certainly was avoidable, long before 1939.

> I'm sure any of the above would slap the taste out
> of your mouth for your stupidity.

Your parents should have slapped the shit out of your ignorant ass.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Joel Edge wrote:

> On Thu, 16 May 2013 08:30:51 -0400, Richard wrote
> (in article <Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>):
>
>
>>On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in Afghanistan.

>>>Tuesday�s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S.

>>>troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>we told you so...drip...
>>>;-)
>>>
>>
>>
>>I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>
>>Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>
>
>
> Yeah, he/she seem to take a great deal of glee over dead Americans.

Son, I get no joy from any dead...even the Americans who invaded
and started the wars. But Americans should be reminded and feel
pain for their immoral actions...no other way to learn...so I rub
your nose in it. Enjoy.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

jonathan wrote:

> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> news:mqudnc1lhqECaQjM...@supernews.com...
>
>>jonathan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com...
>>>\>
>>>
>>>>--
>>>>definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
>>>
>>>
>>>Which is the moral goal, a dictatorship or democracy?
>>>Which is it Mr Morality?
>>
>>Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.
>>
>>War is easy...peace is difficult.
>>;-)
>
>
>
>
> What's difficult is nation building.

Wars for nation building are not our job, and that is just phoney
pretext to justify more war.

Remember, our military invaded their lands long before 911 (*we*
are the bad guys). I won't endorse more war to fix the war fuckup
then *repeat* yet again...that is irresponsible war...highly immoral.
;-)

[a425couple]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message ...

> Richard wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in

>>>>> Afghanistan. Tuesday�s attack occurred

>>>>> in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S. troops died in a
>>>>> similar incident earlier this month.
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> we told you so...drip...
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>>
>>> Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.
>>
>> That's what I thought.
>>
>> Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
>> sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).
>
> Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military

> had not invaded and occupied. ---

> You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
> moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
> ;-)

> murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS

Why fake Dr., If your above statements are true,
why has your 2008 hero Barack Obama been sending more
US troops into Afganistain and killing them much faster
than his predecessor?
(When POTUS Obama took office less than 578 had died,
now well over 2,000 have died.)

[Frank Galikanokus]

Yes he is.

He is a complete ass with no redeeming qualities.


JAM

[Frank Galikanokus]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote:
>
> Richard wrote:
> > On 5/16/2013 8:22 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >
> >> Richard wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
> >>>> Afghanistan.

> >>>> Tuesday�s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

> >>>> U.S.
> >>>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> we told you so...drip...
> >>>> ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
> >>>
> >>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not enough religious-like reverence for you, son?
> >> ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Not enough respect....
>
> murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
>
> neither respect nor solemn reverence for murderers
> ;-)

You are referring to the people that kill these soldiers, right?

You have no idea if these soldiers have ever killed anyone.

You prove yourself a degenerate asshole with every word you post.

JAM

[Frank Galikanokus]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote:
>
> Joel Edge wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 16 May 2013 08:30:51 -0400, Richard wrote
> > (in article <Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>):
> >
> >
> >>On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in Afghanistan.
> >>>Tuesday�s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S.
> >>>troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
> >>>------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>we told you so...drip...
> >>>;-)
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
> >>
> >>Are you always this much of a jerk?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Yeah, he/she seem to take a great deal of glee over dead Americans.
>
> Son, I get no joy from any dead...even the Americans who invaded
> and started the wars. But Americans should be reminded and feel
> pain for their immoral actions...no other way to learn...so I rub
> your nose in it. Enjoy.
> ;-)

I agree that the US has a high price to pay for a very long time as the result of tens of
thousands of innocent people killed in Iraq. However, anyone that kills the innocent will
suffer the consequences, I like to hope.

Killing begets killing

Hate begets hate.

The ignorance and hate you wallow in begets degenerate assholes.

JAM

[Moramarth]

On May 17, 1:40 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
wrote:

> Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military
> had not invaded and occupied.

The US military invaded and occupied America, subjugating the
populace? That's exceptionally revisionist, even for the Coldine
school...

[Frank Galikanokus]

What is best for the Afghan people?

For the US to get out of that shit hole and let the Afghan people figure it out for
themselves. They will form a government based on their book of ignorant myths because
their religion commands them to do so.

The US cannot give the Afghan people freedom from religious ignorance, they must take
freedom for themselves. If they choose to live in the stone age under religious law then
who are we to tell them no? Hell, there are plenty jesus freaks in the US that want the
same thing!

It has been proven again in Afghanistan that a traditional military response to terrorist,
guerrilla, insurgent, enemies is doomed to failure. How much longer must we continue to
live this pointless tragedy?

JAM

[jonathan]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message

news:yLOdnQYP6sNIuQvM...@supernews.com...

> jonathan wrote:
>
>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>> news:mqudnc1lhqECaQjM...@supernews.com...
>>
>>>jonathan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com...
>>>>\>
>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which is the moral goal, a dictatorship or democracy?
>>>>Which is it Mr Morality?
>>>
>>>Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.
>>>
>>>War is easy...peace is difficult.
>>>;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What's difficult is nation building.
>
> Wars for nation building are not our job,

You seem to have the facts wrong, the war was
to get rid of the Taliban, and the nation building
is so they don't just come back again, to ...prevent
a future war.

> and that is just phoney
> pretext to justify more war.

And about this 'war' in Afghanistan, if you
remember the entire war consisted of Omar
and a couple of thousand Taliban fighters against
a couple thousand Northern Alliance troops
backed up by one helluva shit-kicking air force
and lasted about a week or two, if that.

>
> Remember, our military invaded their lands long before 911 (*we*
> are the bad guys).

Not this time.

> I won't endorse more war to fix the war fuckup
> then *repeat* yet again...that is irresponsible war...highly immoral.

Why don't you just be honest and say anything
the US does is automatically evil no matter what?







> ;-)

[Frank Galikanokus]

jonathan wrote:
>
> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> news:mqudnc1lhqECaQjM...@supernews.com...
> > jonathan wrote:
> >
> >> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com...
> >> \>
> >>
> >>>--
> >>>definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is the moral goal, a dictatorship or democracy?
> >> Which is it Mr Morality?
> >
> > Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.
> >
> > War is easy...peace is difficult.
> > ;-)
>
> What's difficult is nation building. If I recall the criticism
> of our last involvement in Afghan was that we helped
> get the Russians out, then walked away. This time we've
> stuck around for almost a decade, spending furiously to try
> to rebuild a nation and not leave behind a hell-hole.
>
> But I would like to hear how we could help build the nation
> if we left the Taliban in power? Your criticism implies there
> was a better route to take, let's hear it?

Nation building? What a joke! We cannot even maintain our own country!

We could stay there for another 20 years with the same result. As soon as we leave they
will kill Karzai and for a government based on their ignorant religion. Who are we to say
this is wrong?

Do you realize that none of the nations in the middle east existed until the end of the
first world war? They were formed by European nations without regard for religious,
tribal, and ethnic difference. They are the result of western "nation building" and there
will be no peace in the middle east until we get out and let them settle this for
themselves.

JAM

[Frank Galikanokus]

I want to se Mullah Omar just as dead as Osama. Then we can say our goals have been met.

JAM

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <CbGdnf79m46diAvM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Friday, May 17, 2013 11:44:27 AM spewed

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > In article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>,
> > "Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Thursday, May 16, 2013 21:52:03 PM spewed
> >
> >>You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
> >>moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
> >
> >
> > you are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is immoral
>
> Yes, son, the U.S. military is immoral in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia,
> Libya, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and most any country over there.

thank you for admitting you've been brainwashed

>
> Avoidable (unnecessary) wars *are* immoral...war should *always* be
> a last resort with no other options available.
>
> We Americans kill people for oil...for more material possessions, like
> extra HD TVs and 2 SUVs...we prefer not to look how we get those
> luxuries...how many innocent people must be killed.

so what kind of tv, car and food do you purchase? how much did it cost
you to purchase your Phraudulent degrees?

>
> (btw, son, learn what brainwash means...all militaries have a vested
> interest in brainwashing new recruits, to pound in that whatever
> they do is right so that the recruit will always follow orders, never
> question their morality. Except through twisted "you too" type
> logic one cannot attribute my anti-war stance to brainwashing.)

Gee, you must have missed all that required training in the USCMJ

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <mqudnc1lhqECaQjM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Friday, May 17, 2013 11:49:08 AM spewed

so why aren't you in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan showing us how to do it
properly?

[Ian B MacLure]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in

news:0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com:

>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
> Afghanistan. Tuesday’s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province
> where five U.S. troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> we told you so...drip...
> ;-)

As if we would listen to you.
Its the old "All murders are homicides but not all homicides
are murders".
If I should encounter the proverbial 300lb ax murderer in
mid chop, blowing said murderers brains out through his ears
would in most rational jurisdictions ( which excludes Taxa-
chussetts and New York ) rate a public commendation.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:01:37 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <kqCdnV71gs2BgQvM...@supernews.com>):

> Joel Edge wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 08:30:51 -0400, Richard wrote
>> (in article <Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>):
>>
>>
>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in Afghanistan.

>>>> Tuesdayï¿œs attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S.

>>>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> we told you so...drip...
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>
>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, he/she seem to take a great deal of glee over dead Americans.
>
> Son, I get no joy from any dead...even the Americans who invaded
> and started the wars. But Americans should be reminded and feel
> pain for their immoral actions...no other way to learn...so I rub
> your nose in it. Enjoy.
> ;-)

You gleeful posting says otherwise.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:49:51 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <3aWdnXFv1eLHhAvM...@supernews.com>):

> Joel Edge wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>> (in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
>>
>>
>>> Richard wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>>>>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>>>>> Afghanistan.

>>>>>>> Tuesdayï¿œs attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

>>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>>> troops died in a similar incident earlier this month.
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we told you so...drip...
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what I thought.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
>>>> sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).
>>>
>>> Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military
>>> had not invaded and occupied. Large numbers of innocent people
>>> would still be alive if the U.S. had not chosen to invade. War
>>> should *always* be a last resort with no other options available.
>>>
>>> You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
>>> moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Be sure to explain that to the French, Scandinavians, Italians, German and
>> Jews.
>
> Son, once a war starts, the bullets are flying, then it's too late,
> and people will use the war itself to justify more war. WW2 was
> largely *caused* by U.S. and allies in the Versailles Treaty that
> ended WW1...WW2 certainly was avoidable, long before 1939.

And as you have been invited to explain your contention (but for some reason
won't) that it was avoidable stemming from WW1, please explain how you would
have avoided WW1. I'm sure we would all be enlightened by your massive
intellect.

>
>
>> I'm sure any of the above would slap the taste out
>> of your mouth for your stupidity.
>
> Your parents should have slapped the shit out of your ignorant ass.
> ;-)

Why don't you do it for them.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:49:10 -0400, Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds wrote
(in article <atlas-bugged-6E0F...@free.teranews.com>):

>>
>> Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.
>
> so why aren't you in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan showing us how to do it
> properly?

Hopefully you're not actually expecting an answer. I have frequently asked
for some insight on how to actually implement some this old warmed over
peacenik-hippie shit and don't get any answers.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <0001HW.CDBCE4C2...@news.planttel.net>,

yes, but it's fun to tweak the PhrauD

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Son, in spite of your irrational rantings against me, you agree
with me, but you are apparently too cowardly to admit you are
on my side.

If you believe the U.S. should not be in Afghanistan, then any
killing the troops do is immoral. Immoral killing of people
is murder. U.S. troops are murderers. QED.

Reflect on what you wrote above, son.

you coward.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Joel Edge wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:49:51 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> (in article <3aWdnXFv1eLHhAvM...@supernews.com>):
>
>
>>Joel Edge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>(in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Richard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>>Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>>>>>>Afghanistan.

>>>>>>>>Tuesday¹s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

Son, WW2 stemmed from the excessively unfair punishments put on
the German people by the Versailles Treaty. A fair treaty
would have made Hitler's rise to power far less likely, and
thus no WW2.

Do you understand that much, peabrain?

>
>
>>
>>>I'm sure any of the above would slap the taste out
>>>of your mouth for your stupidity.
>>
>>Your parents should have slapped the shit out of your ignorant ass.
>>;-)
>
>
> Why don't you do it for them.

Son, I have no desire to kill you or otherwise harm you.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Peacenik-hippie shit? Start with, as you yourself said, son, U.S.
out of Afghanistan now.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

a425couple wrote:

> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message ...
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>>
>>>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in

>>>>>> Afghanistan. Tuesday零 attack occurred

>>>>>> in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S. troops died in a
>>>>>> similar incident earlier this month.
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we told you so...drip...
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
>>>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what I thought.
>>>
>>> Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
>>> sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).
>>
>>
>> Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military
>> had not invaded and occupied. ---
>> You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
>> moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
>> ;-)
>> murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
>
>

> (When POTUS Obama took office less than 578 had died,
> now well over 2,000 have died.)

So the U.S. wars have resulted in killing far far more than
the 2900 Americans killed on 9/11...additionally 6000 American
troops and 1.5 million Afghan/Iraq people killed.

You happy with that, son?
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

jonathan wrote:

> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> news:yLOdnQYP6sNIuQvM...@supernews.com...
>
>>jonathan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:mqudnc1lhqECaQjM...@supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>jonathan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:0_mdne8Av-2iUAnM...@supernews.com...
>>>>>\>
>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>definition: murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is the moral goal, a dictatorship or democracy?
>>>>>Which is it Mr Morality?
>>>>
>>>>Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.
>>>>
>>>>War is easy...peace is difficult.
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What's difficult is nation building.
>>
>>Wars for nation building are not our job,
>
>
>
> You seem to have the facts wrong, the war was
> to get rid of the Taliban,

and the Taliban are from our previous war fuckup

then you wanted to fix that war fuckup with more war (invade Afghanistan).

but now that fix has to be fixed...the war for "nation building".

>> I won't endorse more war to fix the war fuckup
>>then *repeat* yet again...that is irresponsible war...highly immoral.

there it is

> Why don't you just be honest and say anything
> the US does is automatically evil no matter what?

Beyond bonafide self-defense, yes, U.S. is a warmongering nation and
still the greatest purveyor of violence in the world, largely
profit driven...the military-industrial complex.

;-)

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <wuSdnUjtO5MNUQrM...@supernews.com>,

how are YOU going to broker a peace in the Mideast?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <8_ednTPoYdzdUgrM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Saturday, May 18, 2013 17:12:51 PM spewed

> a425couple wrote:
>
> > "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message ...
> >
> >> Richard wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in

> >>>>>> Afghanistan. Tuesday�s attack occurred

> >>>>>> in Kandahar, the same province where five U.S. troops died in a
> >>>>>> similar incident earlier this month.
> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> we told you so...drip...
> >>>>>> ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm new here, so I don't rightly know...
> >>>>> Are you always this much of a jerk?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Worse if he thinks he can get away with it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That's what I thought.
> >>>
> >>> Well, it's a free country (because of the dedication and
> >>> sacrifice of those who paid the price for us all).
> >>
> >>
> >> Son, Americans would still have freedoms intact if the U.S. military
> >> had not invaded and occupied. ---
> >> You are brainwashed to believe *any* U.S. military action is
> >> moral...a belief which gives uncritical free pass to criminal behavior.
> >> ;-)
> >> murder - immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS
> >
> >
> > (When POTUS Obama took office less than 578 had died,
> > now well over 2,000 have died.)
>
> So the U.S. wars have resulted in killing far far more than
> the 2900 Americans killed on 9/11...additionally 6000 American
> troops and 1.5 million Afghan/Iraq people killed.
>
> You happy with that, son?
> ;-)

And you would be happy about the 2900 killed on 9/11 and do what?
display your PhrauDulent PhD?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <wuSdnUntO5PFUQrM...@supernews.com>,

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:

> Joel Edge wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:49:51 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> > (in article <3aWdnXFv1eLHhAvM...@supernews.com>):
> >
> >
> >>Joel Edge wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> >>>(in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Richard wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
> >>>>>>Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
> >>>>>>>>Afghanistan.

> >>>>>>>>Tuesday1s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

Do you understand that the Versailles Treat would have been unnecessary
if the Germans hadn't been behind the manuervering in Austro-Hungary?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <OdadnUYmVub_VArM...@supernews.com>,

Believing that they shouldn't be there is not the same as them being
there illegally, therefore, any killing they do in their defense is not
only legal, but moral

> Immoral killing of people is murder.

Defending yourself is not murder

> U.S. troops are murderers. QED.

displaying a PhrauDulent PhD is immoral

[Joel Edge]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:46:50 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <wuSdnUjtO5MNUQrM...@supernews.com>):

So, nothing then. You put forth these grand ideas about to how to avoid war,
let's hear 'em, sweetheart.

[Joel Edge]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:45:53 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <wuSdnUntO5PFUQrM...@supernews.com>):

> Joel Edge wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:49:51 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>> (in article <3aWdnXFv1eLHhAvM...@supernews.com>):
>>
>>
>>> Joel Edge wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>> (in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Richard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan.

>>>>>>>>> Tuesdayï¿œs attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

I said "how would you have avoided WW1". Suffering from some reading
comprehension problems? I would think that a Phd would, at least, be able to
read.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> I'm sure any of the above would slap the taste out
>>>> of your mouth for your stupidity.
>>>
>>> Your parents should have slapped the shit out of your ignorant ass.
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> Why don't you do it for them.
>
> Son, I have no desire to kill you or otherwise harm you.
> ;-)

Thought not.

[Bert]

In news:atlas-bugged-33D0...@free.teranews.com "Malcom

Perhaps he'll make a grand gesture and set himself on fire.

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Son, even your morality does not stem from U.S. legal law.
i.e. The U.S. Congress does not define morality. You have
apparently abdicated your responsibility to determine your
individual morality with "if it's legal by U.S. law, it's moral".

You would have made a "good German".
;-)

> therefore, any killing they do in their defense is not
> only legal, but moral

Son, wrongly ("they shouldn't be there") invading a country is not defense.

>
>
>
>>Immoral killing of people is murder.
>
>
> Defending yourself is not murder

Son, wrongly invading a country is not "defending".

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Don't start a war with Afghanistan.
Don't start a war with Iraq.
Don't start or fuel proxy wars.

Don't start wars. Adhere to U.N. Charter about war.

How's that, son?
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Son, have you yet agreed that Versailles Treaty was a major cause
of WW2?
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

The U.S., for decades, has been *the* major cause of war there,
so the U.S. method of "broker" has been a failure for decades.

For start, I say U.S. out now...completely out, militarily and
politically. If *they* can't solve their problems, at least we
won't be part, and *cause*, of the immorality of it all.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Yes, son, the VT dealt with ending WW1.

happy now, peabrain?
;-)

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <Mvadndmex7uJnwTM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Sunday, May 19, 2013 12:14:18 PM spewed

no, but since you do, why shouldn't I?

You have
> apparently abdicated your responsibility to determine your
> individual morality with "if it's legal by U.S. law, it's moral".

there is nothing immoral about self defense, but there is something
immoral about pretending to have doctorates from non-existent
institutions, but your morality doesn't extend to yourself, does it?

>
> You would have made a "good German".

ah, name calling, the last refuge of the morally corrupt

> ;-)
>
>
> > therefore, any killing they do in their defense is not
> > only legal, but moral
>
> Son, wrongly ("they shouldn't be there") invading a country is not defense.

the soldiers didn't invade a country, the government did. the soldiers
are only practicing self defense

>
> >
> >
> >
> >>Immoral killing of people is murder.
> >
> >
> > Defending yourself is not murder
>
> Son, wrongly invading a country is not "defending".

since it is your opinion that the country was wrongly invaded, you must
have a definition for "rightly" invaded...please explain your morality
about this

>
>
> >
> >
> >> U.S. troops are murderers. QED.

no one acting in self-defense is a murderer

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <IsCdnQnE8a40kATM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Sunday, May 19, 2013 12:19:06 PM spewed

That isn't the point, is it? Perhaps you might elucidate what started WW1

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <3YqdnXW6KKH5lATM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Sunday, May 19, 2013 12:20:54 PM spewed

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > In article <wuSdnUjtO5MNUQrM...@supernews.com>,
> > "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Joel Edge wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:49:10 -0400, Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds wrote
> >>>(in article <atlas-bugged-6E0F...@free.teranews.com>):
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.
> >>>>
> >>>>so why aren't you in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan showing us how to do it
> >>>>properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hopefully you're not actually expecting an answer. I have frequently asked
> >>>for some insight on how to actually implement some this old warmed over
> >>>peacenik-hippie shit and don't get any answers.
> >>
> >>Peacenik-hippie shit? Start with, as you yourself said, son, U.S.
> >>out of Afghanistan now.
> >
> >
> > how are YOU going to broker a peace in the Mideast?
>
> The U.S., for decades, has been *the* major cause of war there,
> so the U.S. method of "broker" has been a failure for decades.

yet another non-answer. there is friction in the middle east with the
potential for war and we all want to know how YOU are going to broker a
peace


>

> For start, I say U.S. out now...completely out, militarily and
> politically. If *they* can't solve their problems, at least we
> won't be part, and *cause*, of the immorality of it all.
> ;-)

apparently you are unaware of the size of the world

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <nZqdnchjGYWrmwTM...@supernews.com>,

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:

> Joel Edge wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:45:53 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> > (in article <wuSdnUntO5PFUQrM...@supernews.com>):
> >
> >
> >>Joel Edge wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:49:51 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> >>>(in article <3aWdnXFv1eLHhAvM...@supernews.com>):
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Joel Edge wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> >>>>>(in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Richard wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
> >>>>>>>>Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
> >>>>>>>>>>Afghanistan.

> >>>>>>>>>>Tuesday1s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where five

sweetheart, you've yet to agree that Germany started WW1 which
coincidentally was a major cause for the VT

[george152]

On 20/05/13 04:53, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:

> Don't start a war with Afghanistan.
> Don't start a war with Iraq.
> Don't start or fuel proxy wars.
>
> Don't start wars. Adhere to U.N. Charter about war.
>
> How's that, son?
> ;-)

Ever hear of the League of Nations and how they were going to stop wars?
Why repeat their mistaken mantra

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 11:45:21 -0400, Bert wrote
(in article <XnsA1C56E1777F...@78.46.70.116>):

It'll probably have a smell reminiscent of the burning we did every morning.
Nothing like the smell of diesel fuel and shit in the morning. Hooaah!!

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 12:53:59 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <ieqdnRm_bPQCngTM...@supernews.com>):

> Joel Edge wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:46:50 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>> (in article <wuSdnUjtO5MNUQrM...@supernews.com>):
>>
>>
>>> Joel Edge wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:49:10 -0400, Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds wrote
>>>> (in article <atlas-bugged-6E0F...@free.teranews.com>):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Goals can be achieved without us killing large numbers of people.
>>>>>
>>>>> so why aren't you in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan showing us how to do it
>>>>> properly?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully you're not actually expecting an answer. I have frequently
>>>> asked
>>>> for some insight on how to actually implement some this old warmed over
>>>> peacenik-hippie shit and don't get any answers.
>>>
>>> Peacenik-hippie shit? Start with, as you yourself said, son, U.S.
>>> out of Afghanistan now.
>>
>>
>> So, nothing then. You put forth these grand ideas about to how to avoid
>> war,
>> let's hear 'em, sweetheart.
>
> Don't start a war with Afghanistan.
> Don't start a war with Iraq.
> Don't start or fuel proxy wars.
>
> Don't start wars. Adhere to U.N. Charter about war.
>
> How's that, son?
> ;-)

Good. Are you also speaking for North Korea, Iran, the Palestinians and
various other war-like countries? We'll be needing to see the agreements and
mechanisms for avoiding war. You got a lot of work to do. Get hopping.

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:05:02 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <nZqdnchjGYWrmwTM...@supernews.com>):

Why are you avoiding WW1? Got no ideas?

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

The U.S. refused to join the LoN, then WW2 occurred, and *then*
the U.S. helped create the U.N.

Do you also oppose the concept of a global war-limiting organization?
;-)

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <LMOdnXk3e6S8bAfM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Monday, May 20, 2013 21:13:02 PM spewed

But it's your assertion that the VT caused WW2, are you now saying it
was because of the failure to form a LoN?

And you haven't addressed the issue of the fact that the VT wouldn't
have been necessary but for the political/military meddling of the
Germans in Austria/Hungary

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Joel Edge wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:05:02 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> (in article <nZqdnchjGYWrmwTM...@supernews.com>):
>
>
>>Joel Edge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:45:53 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>(in article <wuSdnUntO5PFUQrM...@supernews.com>):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joel Edge wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:49:51 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>>>(in article <3aWdnXFv1eLHhAvM...@supernews.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Joel Edge wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>>>>>(in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Richard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>Afghanistan.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday¹s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where

Son, the issue is "WW2 was avoidable." If the VT had been justly
written then probably there would have been no WW2. Until you
are able to grasp this there is no point in talking about the
causes of WW1. I doubt your mental capacity to grasp this,
hence, "peabrain"
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article <LMOdnXk3e6S8bAfM...@supernews.com>,
> "Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Monday, May 20, 2013 21:13:02 PM spewed
>
>>george152 wrote:
>>
>>>On 20/05/13 04:53, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't start a war with Afghanistan.
>>>>Don't start a war with Iraq.
>>>>Don't start or fuel proxy wars.
>>>>
>>>>Don't start wars. Adhere to U.N. Charter about war.
>>>>
>>>>How's that, son?
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ever hear of the League of Nations and how they were going to stop wars?
>>>Why repeat their mistaken mantra
>>
>>The U.S. refused to join the LoN, then WW2 occurred, and *then*
>>the U.S. helped create the U.N.
>>
>>Do you also oppose the concept of a global war-limiting organization?
>>;-)
>
>
> But it's your assertion that the VT caused WW2,

Son, let's try a different tack with your peabrain. Why do you
suppose most any history book cites the VT as a contributing
cause of WW2?
;-)

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 23:59:40 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <LMOdnXk3e6S8bAfM...@supernews.com>):

Considering the UN is doing such a bang-up job. Oh wait......it isn't.

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 00:18:20 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <Grednap4KqYfaAfM...@supernews.com>):

> Joel Edge wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:05:02 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>> (in article <nZqdnchjGYWrmwTM...@supernews.com>):
>>
>>
>>> Joel Edge wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:45:53 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>> (in article <wuSdnUntO5PFUQrM...@supernews.com>):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joel Edge wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:49:51 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>>>> (in article <3aWdnXFv1eLHhAvM...@supernews.com>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joel Edge wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:40:41 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article <kbSdnUiUo80c4QjM...@supernews.com>):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Hix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article<Jf6dnWrM8c86TAnM...@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> Richard<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/2013 7:12 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Three U.S. soldiers have been killed in a roadside bombing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesdayï¿œs attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province where

No, the issue is your assertion that all war is avoidable. You just seem to
be short of ideas on how to make it so. You spout this bull-shit and don't
expect to be called on it. So explain it. You have an opportunity to
enlighten us. So do it. Quit evading and drooling. If you have an answer,
present it.

[peter skelton]

"Joel Edge" wrote in message
news:0001HW.CDC0D1E0...@news.planttel.net...

We have avoided direct conflict between major or second tier
powers for almost seventy years. The UN is not responsible
for that, but it has certainly been part of the picture.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <Grednap4KqYfaAfM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:32:31 AM spewed

>
> >>
> >>Son, have you yet agreed that Versailles Treaty was a major cause
> >>of WW2?
> >>;-)
> >
> >
> > Why are you avoiding WW1? Got no ideas?
>
> Son, the issue is "WW2 was avoidable." If the VT had been justly
> written then probably there would have been no WW2. Until you
> are able to grasp this there is no point in talking about the
> causes of WW1. I doubt your mental capacity to grasp this,
> hence, "peabrain"
> ;-)

Child, the issue is that the VT would not have ever been written if
Germany hadn't meddled in the political/military affairs of
Austria-Hungary. No one doubts your mental capacity to grasp this, hence
"PhrauD"

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <oMqdnYWE0_VUmgbM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:34:09 AM spewed

Child, why would the VT been necessary if Germany hadn't been at the
center of WW1?

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:07:28 -0400, peter skelton wrote
(in article <knfrav$50g$1...@dont-email.me>):

I suspect that might be due to the fact that the next "direct conflict" would
involve nukes. That might have calmed people down a bit.

[peter skelton]

"Joel Edge" wrote in message

news:0001HW.CDC22FBD...@news.planttel.net...

Not all second tier powers are nuclear today, none were at
the beginning of the period in question.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

It ain't perfect, then fix it. Most every war is foreseeable, and
can be avoided, and we should start learning how.

Again, if you think wars are not foreseeable, then make up a realistic
scenario of a war starting in say 50 years that is not foreseeable.

No smart person can do it so we don't expect you the peabrain to do it.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Son, which of these 2 statements does your peabrain think is true:
1. The VT was a fair treaty.
2. The VT was not a fair treaty.

you can pick only 1, you poor peabrain
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Yes, and you first asked how WW2 could have been avoided. Before
you move the goalpost: Do you now agree that the VT was unfair?

just yes or no, peabrain
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

he he he...peabrain still can't grasp it...oh well.
;-)

[peter skelton]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote in message
news:f5mdnXKG3r1ZywDM...@supernews.com...

Of course it was fair idiot boy, the terms flowed naturally
from the Treaty of Frankfurt. That it produced an untenable
situation has nothing to do with its fairness.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

peter skelton wrote:

> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote in message
> news:f5mdnXKG3r1ZywDM...@supernews.com...
>
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
>> In article <Grednap4KqYfaAfM...@supernews.com>,
>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:32:31 AM spewed
>>
>>>>> Son, have you yet agreed that Versailles Treaty was a major cause
>>>>> of WW2?
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why are you avoiding WW1? Got no ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> Son, the issue is "WW2 was avoidable." If the VT had been justly
>>> written then probably there would have been no WW2. Until you
>>> are able to grasp this there is no point in talking about the
>>> causes of WW1. I doubt your mental capacity to grasp this,
>>> hence, "peabrain"
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Child, the issue is that the VT would not have ever been written if
>> Germany hadn't meddled in the political/military affairs of
>> Austria-Hungary.
>
>
>> Son, which of these 2 statements does your peabrain think is true:
>
> 1. The VT was a fair treaty.
> 2. The VT was not a fair treaty.
>
> Of course it was fair

ha ha ha...a 3rd peabrain joins the fray
;-)

[peter skelton]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote in message

news:z96dnbt8-N1s-wDM...@supernews.com...

With yet another correct point you cannot counter.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Son, President Wilson would have called you a liar too.
;-)

[peter skelton]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote in message

news:rpWdnQbleIWdEQDM...@supernews.com...

Reference for that idiot clanger? Perhaps you would like to
explain Wilson's policies wrt the treaty and the League,
assuming he was as ignorant of history as you are. That he
could not sell his attitudes at home is unfortunate.

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:34:59 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <f5mdnXGG3r2KywDM...@supernews.com>):

> It ain't perfect, then fix it. Most every war is foreseeable, and
> can be avoided, and we should start learning how.

Have we back-pedaled to "most every war is foreseeable" now?

> Again, if you think wars are not foreseeable, then make up a realistic
> scenario of a war starting in say 50 years that is not foreseeable.

If a war isn't 'foreseeable' then by definition I (and anyone else) can't
make it up. Another 'Duuuhhh' moment on your part.

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:44:58 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <4--dnako_pLvxQDM...@supernews.com>):

No. I actually agreed with you that WW2 was caused by WW1 but you kept up
with this stupid 'all wars are avoidable" garbage. Why would I ask you how
WW2 could have been avoided? I don't respect your opinion enough for that.
You keep making shit up without getting to the heart of the matter. How would
YOU avoid all wars. I'll require more than a yes or no, moron.

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:46:52 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <z96dnbt8-N1s-wDM...@supernews.com>):

Still avoiding WW1. No ideas then?

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:24:58 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <rpWdnQbleIWdEQDM...@supernews.com>):

President Wilson isn't in this argument. Answer the man.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <4--dnago_pIExQDM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:07:04 PM spewed

what an interesting way you have of admitting your failures

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <f5mdnXKG3r1ZywDM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:11:01 PM spewed

Child, which of these 2 statements does you dysfunctional brain think is
true:

1) The VT was a result of Germanys facilitating WW1

1) The VT was not a result of Germanys facilitating WW1

you can only pick one, child

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <rpWdnQbleIWdEQDM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:12:17 PM spewed

Child, President Wilson would have called you a PhrauD

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <f5mdnXGG3r2KywDM...@supernews.com>,
"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhrauD." on Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:16:34 PM spewed

> Joel Edge wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 23:59:40 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
> > (in article <LMOdnXk3e6S8bAfM...@supernews.com>):
> >
> >
> >>george152 wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 20/05/13 04:53, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Don't start a war with Afghanistan.
> >>>>Don't start a war with Iraq.
> >>>>Don't start or fuel proxy wars.
> >>>>
> >>>>Don't start wars. Adhere to U.N. Charter about war.
> >>>>
> >>>>How's that, son?
> >>>>;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ever hear of the League of Nations and how they were going to stop wars?
> >>>Why repeat their mistaken mantra
> >>
> >>The U.S. refused to join the LoN, then WW2 occurred, and *then*
> >>the U.S. helped create the U.N.
> >>
> >>Do you also oppose the concept of a global war-limiting organization?
> >>;-)
> >
> >
> > Considering the UN is doing such a bang-up job. Oh wait......it isn't.
>
> It ain't perfect, then fix it.

No, since you project your PhrauDulent persona as omniscient and
omnipotent, tell us what YOU are going to do to prevent wars. You have a
great opportunity in the mid-east, so show the diplomats the correct way
to do it

Most every war is foreseeable, and
> can be avoided, and we should start learning how.
>
> Again, if you think wars are not foreseeable, then make up a realistic
> scenario of a war starting in say 50 years that is not foreseeable.
>
> No smart person can do it so we don't expect you the peabrain to do it.
> ;-)

no PhrauDster can do it, so why do you insist you can

[DGVREIMAN]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
news:f5mdnXKG3r1ZywDM...@supernews.com...

Doug Says: The treaty of Versailles was abominable, reeked of
vengeance, and was a major contributor to WWII. But it was not the
main catalyst for Nazism - nor Fascism - which were the main reasons
for the war. The ideology of National Socialism, backed by a military
dictator, as we first witnessed in Italy and then copied in Germany,
was the main reason for WWII.

Hitler could have negotiated his way out and/or around the draconian
statutes of the Versailles treaty, but he chose not to try. Instead
he USED the suffocating conditions of that treaty as a reason to build
up his Fascist ideology, the SA, then the SS, and of course establish
his vast Wehrmacht Army and its mighty weapons.

Any ideology that calls for the oppression of any class of people will
always result in conflict, whether it be radical Islam, Nazism, or
Racism - eventually the oppressed will fight back, and that means War.

Doug Grant (Tm)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Why thank you sir...I've been talking to peabrains.

> But it was not the main
> catalyst for Nazism

Correct, it was the main catalyst for Hitler's rise to power.

> Hitler could have negotiated his way out and/or around the draconian
> statutes of the Versailles treaty, but he chose not to try. Instead he
> USED the suffocating conditions of that treaty as a reason to build up
> his Fascist ideology, the SA, then the SS, and of course establish his
> vast Wehrmacht Army and its mighty weapons.

Correct...without the "draconian" VT, Hitler had nothing to use.

> Any ideology that calls for the oppression of any class of people will

> always result in conflict...eventually the oppressed will fight

> back, and that means War.

and the ideology of unfair vengeance was expressed in the VT...thus war.


> Doug Grant (Tm)

a refreshing change from the peabrains (reynolds,edge,skelton).
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Joel Edge wrote:
>
>>Again, if you think wars are not foreseeable, then make up a realistic
>>scenario of a war starting in say 50 years that is not foreseeable.
>
>
>

> I (and anyone else) can't make it up.

QED...every war is foreseeable, avoidable, and unnecessary.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

> No.

Then you need to read a history book, son.
;-)

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 02:29:50 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <EaWdnVAN_PxMlQLM...@supernews.com>):

Than, again, go for it. No....didn't think so.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 02:31:15 -0400, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote
(in article <EaWdnVIN_Py7lALM...@supernews.com>):

So.......still no answer.
BTW, it's rude to modify the previous post to make it look like a different
answer. It's also makes you look like a fraud. Since you do it, I'll assume
you are a fraud.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <0001HW.CDC4DDB7...@news.planttel.net>,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday1s attack occurred in Kandahar, the same province

actually he is a PhrauD

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <EaWdnVYN_PyjlQLM...@supernews.com>,

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:

> > Hitler could have negotiated his way out and/or around the draconian
> > statutes of the Versailles treaty, but he chose not to try. Instead he
> > USED the suffocating conditions of that treaty as a reason to build up
> > his Fascist ideology, the SA, then the SS, and of course establish his
> > vast Wehrmacht Army and its mighty weapons.
>
> Correct...without the "draconian" VT, Hitler had nothing to use.

but without German meddling in austro-hungary, there would have no war
requiring the VT

[DGVREIMAN]

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
message news:atlas-bugged-E3E8...@free.teranews.com...

Doug Says: The murdering of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand was the
pretense for WWI - but it was really based upon disputed boundaries in
the Balkans and unfair trade. Regardless of the multiple reasons for
WWI, the VT treaty signed at the end of WW1 (in that infamous train
car) was so outrageous and draconian it virtually provided Hitler
with a reason and a means, with the complete and overwhelming support
of the German people, to violate its terms and build a military
machine such as the world had never seen before.

Hitler was so obsessed with the Versailles Treaty he forced the French
to sign their WWII surrender in the very same train car as the WW1
Versailles treaty was signed. The German people were convinced the
only way to escape the hyperbolic reparations the VT called for, which
was creating out of control inflation in the German Mark, was to back
Hitler and go to war against the French.

However, what the German people did not know is the French and the
British offered to renegotiate the treaty of Versailles early in
1939 - yet Hitler kept that offer as quiet as he could. Hitler and Dr.
Goebbels knew they could not keep the offer to renegotiate the treaty
of Versailles out of the German press for long, hence Hitler started
WWII in 1939 years earlier than he had planned.

Hitler used the refusal of Poland to return Danzig as his pretense for
invading Poland - but Hitler knew if the German people found out about
the conciliatory efforts of the French and British in respect to the
Versailles treaty, he would lose public support for his war.


Doug Grant (Tm)

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <q8GdnTwTnPasVwLM...@giganews.com>,

That inflation being the result of the purposeful printing and use of
money that the banks couldn't back and all this at the request of the
"German Gov't"