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Byker
Aug 31, 2017, 2:42:21 PM8/31/17
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Part one of this article (http://tinyurl.com/yo7wqa) was an explanation of
why the ratio of combat-age native Europeans versus European Muslims could
decline from 18:1 today, to 2:1 by 2025. These figures are largely
irrelevant if one believes that Islam can peacefully co-exist within the
West, but if such a scenario is simply a multicultural fantasy then we will
shortly face a situation unprecedented in the history of mankind.
"Islam is engaged in religious conflict all around the world, from America,
Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Kashmir,
India, Russia, the Lebanon, Palestine, etc, etc. Wherever Islam comes into
contact with non-Islam there is conflict.
"In each and every country, one glaring reality stands out. It is always
Islam as the aggressor, even when they are in a minority. In Thailand, where
they represent five per cent of the populace, we have a country sliding
inexorably toward civil war."
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Is European Civil War Inevitable By 2025?
by Mr. Weston
<snip>
The history of man is essentially a history of warfare, where territory,
tribe or religion drives the impetus for conquest. That our ruling liberal
elites in the West today believe that history, current reality and the law
of nature no longer apply to us, does not mean the end of warfare. Rather,
their wishful thinking simply makes it easier for those who are determined
to wage war against us. The idea that wars are a thing of the past is so
fantastical that only liberals, who cannot distinguish ideological fantasy
from historical reality, could possibly believe that war will ever be
vanquished.
Islamic terrorist activity is being constantly thwarted by European
intelligence services, but over the next ten years some of these Jihadists
will slip through the net and carry out their next very large atrocity.
Although most Europeans are still in a deep liberal sleep regarding Islam,
this will not last. By 2017 the tensions between Europeans and Islam will
have become nerve jangling. Impotent officials will employ ever-stricter
government controls in a futile attempt to preserve the façade of societal
order.
Somewhere between 2017 and 2030, during a period of heightened tension,
Islamists in France, Holland or Britain will blow up one church, train or
plane too many. Retaliation will begin and they, in turn will respond. So
will the spiral begin.
The police are unable to cope now; they will be even less prepared then. The
army will be drafted in, and members of the military who are even willing to
carry out orders against their neighbors will find themselves massively
outnumbered and outflanked. Civilians will be massacred. And so begins the
civil war.
When the violence reaches a tipping point every person — be they moderate or
extremist in their views — will be forced to take sides in this war. There
will be no bystanders, and no civilians. Moderate Muslims will in all
likelihood take the sides of the extremists. This war will resemble none of
Europe’s previous conflicts, with their standing armies massed along clearly
delineated lines. In the coming conflagration, it will initially be
civilians, armed not with tanks and machine guns, but with knives, bombs and
terror, who will call out the dogs of war.
I say “initially” because although the army will be of little use in the
beginning, it will certainly be capable of forming an impregnable line
behind which the native Europeans, unused to knife fighting, will flee and
re-group.
And then, enter America — as always— Europe’s savior. Whilst Europe’s
navies blockade the ports, America will deliver technical weaponry to the
organized Europeans, weaponry against which Islam will have no response.
Whilst they are being annihilated in response to the butchery they carried
out in the early days of the war, Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Iran
will threaten a nuclear response. If they do, they too will be annihilated.
Such is the future brought about by multicultural liberals. Not only will
they be responsible for bloodshed unseen even in the last century, they will
also be responsible for the extinction of Islam. In 1907 no one could see
the coming carnage, whereas in 2007 all educated people with some knowledge
of history can see the inevitable. Quite how large this war becomes is of
course beyond any prediction. However, it will not be limited to a merely
European conflict. Our civil war could well become a global nuclear war
against Islam; and one the Islamists have no hope of winning.
Such a scenario is unimaginable to the vapid multiculturalists, but it is
their actions, past and present, which will bring about this nightmare. One
can hardly blame Islam for wishing to dominate the world, but one can
certainly blame liberals for giving them the geographical means and
ideological confidence whereby they feel confident that it is actually
possible. Will they attempt it? On a small scale, with their ratio of 18:1
they are attempting it now. How do you think they will behave with a ratio
of 5:1 let alone 2:1?
The liberal response to an essay such as this is to make accusations of
hysteria and paranoia. To those, I would say only one thing: rather than
leave sneering one line comments, give us a thousand word, closely reasoned
article explaining why the scenario outlined above is not likely. Use
reality-based arguments rather than simply repeating outmoded ideology.
As much as I wish you could present such a case against my scenario, I
believe the war is inevitable, and it will be a tragedy for the West, for
Islam, and for all of mankind.
Please refute it. I really would like it another future than the one I have
outlined.
http://tinyurl.com/ywwkfg
why the ratio of combat-age native Europeans versus European Muslims could
decline from 18:1 today, to 2:1 by 2025. These figures are largely
irrelevant if one believes that Islam can peacefully co-exist within the
West, but if such a scenario is simply a multicultural fantasy then we will
shortly face a situation unprecedented in the history of mankind.
"Islam is engaged in religious conflict all around the world, from America,
Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Kashmir,
India, Russia, the Lebanon, Palestine, etc, etc. Wherever Islam comes into
contact with non-Islam there is conflict.
"In each and every country, one glaring reality stands out. It is always
Islam as the aggressor, even when they are in a minority. In Thailand, where
they represent five per cent of the populace, we have a country sliding
inexorably toward civil war."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is European Civil War Inevitable By 2025?
by Mr. Weston
<snip>
The history of man is essentially a history of warfare, where territory,
tribe or religion drives the impetus for conquest. That our ruling liberal
elites in the West today believe that history, current reality and the law
of nature no longer apply to us, does not mean the end of warfare. Rather,
their wishful thinking simply makes it easier for those who are determined
to wage war against us. The idea that wars are a thing of the past is so
fantastical that only liberals, who cannot distinguish ideological fantasy
from historical reality, could possibly believe that war will ever be
vanquished.
Islamic terrorist activity is being constantly thwarted by European
intelligence services, but over the next ten years some of these Jihadists
will slip through the net and carry out their next very large atrocity.
Although most Europeans are still in a deep liberal sleep regarding Islam,
this will not last. By 2017 the tensions between Europeans and Islam will
have become nerve jangling. Impotent officials will employ ever-stricter
government controls in a futile attempt to preserve the façade of societal
order.
Somewhere between 2017 and 2030, during a period of heightened tension,
Islamists in France, Holland or Britain will blow up one church, train or
plane too many. Retaliation will begin and they, in turn will respond. So
will the spiral begin.
The police are unable to cope now; they will be even less prepared then. The
army will be drafted in, and members of the military who are even willing to
carry out orders against their neighbors will find themselves massively
outnumbered and outflanked. Civilians will be massacred. And so begins the
civil war.
When the violence reaches a tipping point every person — be they moderate or
extremist in their views — will be forced to take sides in this war. There
will be no bystanders, and no civilians. Moderate Muslims will in all
likelihood take the sides of the extremists. This war will resemble none of
Europe’s previous conflicts, with their standing armies massed along clearly
delineated lines. In the coming conflagration, it will initially be
civilians, armed not with tanks and machine guns, but with knives, bombs and
terror, who will call out the dogs of war.
I say “initially” because although the army will be of little use in the
beginning, it will certainly be capable of forming an impregnable line
behind which the native Europeans, unused to knife fighting, will flee and
re-group.
And then, enter America — as always— Europe’s savior. Whilst Europe’s
navies blockade the ports, America will deliver technical weaponry to the
organized Europeans, weaponry against which Islam will have no response.
Whilst they are being annihilated in response to the butchery they carried
out in the early days of the war, Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Iran
will threaten a nuclear response. If they do, they too will be annihilated.
Such is the future brought about by multicultural liberals. Not only will
they be responsible for bloodshed unseen even in the last century, they will
also be responsible for the extinction of Islam. In 1907 no one could see
the coming carnage, whereas in 2007 all educated people with some knowledge
of history can see the inevitable. Quite how large this war becomes is of
course beyond any prediction. However, it will not be limited to a merely
European conflict. Our civil war could well become a global nuclear war
against Islam; and one the Islamists have no hope of winning.
Such a scenario is unimaginable to the vapid multiculturalists, but it is
their actions, past and present, which will bring about this nightmare. One
can hardly blame Islam for wishing to dominate the world, but one can
certainly blame liberals for giving them the geographical means and
ideological confidence whereby they feel confident that it is actually
possible. Will they attempt it? On a small scale, with their ratio of 18:1
they are attempting it now. How do you think they will behave with a ratio
of 5:1 let alone 2:1?
The liberal response to an essay such as this is to make accusations of
hysteria and paranoia. To those, I would say only one thing: rather than
leave sneering one line comments, give us a thousand word, closely reasoned
article explaining why the scenario outlined above is not likely. Use
reality-based arguments rather than simply repeating outmoded ideology.
As much as I wish you could present such a case against my scenario, I
believe the war is inevitable, and it will be a tragedy for the West, for
Islam, and for all of mankind.
Please refute it. I really would like it another future than the one I have
outlined.
http://tinyurl.com/ywwkfg
DoD
Aug 31, 2017, 3:01:57 PM8/31/17
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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message
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and what
kind of push....
Juergen Nieveler
Sep 1, 2017, 4:08:04 AM9/1/17
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On 31.08.2017 20:42, Byker wrote:
> Is European Civil War Inevitable By 2025?
This group is about NAVAL content, not navel content...
> Is European Civil War Inevitable By 2025?
Daryl
Sep 1, 2017, 10:56:48 AM9/1/17
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Andrew Swallow
Sep 2, 2017, 4:46:27 AM9/2/17
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are already being killed across Europe in terrorist attacks. Muslims are
taking over entire districts of towns by forcing people out.
sci.military.naval is both a naval group and a military group. The
French Army is patrolling its own country.
Refugee ships are arriving from Africa every day. These ships contain
fit men of military age. There are very few children, women, old people
or wounded people - the people who normally become refugees by running
away from battle sites. This is a military invasion.
I am very surprised that the European war ships have not spent the last
year sinking these troop carriers.
dott.Piergiorgio
Sep 2, 2017, 2:18:03 PM9/2/17
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On 02/09/2017 10:46, Andrea Swallow wrote:
> On 01/09/2017 08:30, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
>> On 31.08.2017 20:42, Byker wrote:
>>
>>> Is European Civil War Inevitable By 2025?
>>
>> This group is about NAVAL content, not navel content...
>
> My answer is the West Vs. Islam war has already started. White civilians
> are already being killed across Europe in terrorist attacks. Muslims are
> taking over entire districts of towns by forcing people out.
>
> sci.military.naval is both a naval group and a military group. The
> French Army is patrolling its own country.
>
> Refugee ships are arriving from Africa every day. These ships contain
> fit men of military age. There are very few children, women, old people
> or wounded people - the people who normally become refugees by running
> away from battle sites. This is a military invasion.
I don't know that US invaded militarily Canada during the 1960s...
> On 01/09/2017 08:30, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
>> On 31.08.2017 20:42, Byker wrote:
>>
>>> Is European Civil War Inevitable By 2025?
>>
>> This group is about NAVAL content, not navel content...
>
> My answer is the West Vs. Islam war has already started. White civilians
> are already being killed across Europe in terrorist attacks. Muslims are
> taking over entire districts of towns by forcing people out.
>
> sci.military.naval is both a naval group and a military group. The
> French Army is patrolling its own country.
>
> Refugee ships are arriving from Africa every day. These ships contain
> fit men of military age. There are very few children, women, old people
> or wounded people - the people who normally become refugees by running
> away from battle sites. This is a military invasion.
..c'mon, these people in "military" age are basically draft-dodgers,
their country of provenance being either unstable or in
internal/external war, so they escapes also the concrete possibility of
becoming cannon fodder...
Dott. Piergiorgio.
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Sep 2, 2017, 3:12:06 PM9/2/17
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dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
>
> ..c'mon, these people in "military" age are basically draft-dodgers,
> their country of provenance being either unstable or in
> internal/external war, so they escapes also the concrete possibility of
> becoming cannon fodder...
>
> Dott. Piergiorgio.
Dear Italian Old Fool (tm),
>
> ..c'mon, these people in "military" age are basically draft-dodgers,
> their country of provenance being either unstable or in
> internal/external war, so they escapes also the concrete possibility of
> becoming cannon fodder...
>
> Dott. Piergiorgio.
Those are the smart ones (staying in the gene pool).
;-)
Andrew Swallow
Sep 3, 2017, 12:30:32 AM9/3/17
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they mostly arriving via Greece. However it does not apply to the
millions coming from Africa and the rest of the Middle East.
Zinger
Sep 3, 2017, 3:13:35 AM9/3/17
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murder and the Politically correct toadies of this world did not want that!
--
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to
the security of a free State, the right of the people
to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
PaxPerPoten
Sep 3, 2017, 3:15:16 AM9/3/17
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Italy? ;-)
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
dott.Piergiorgio
Sep 3, 2017, 1:55:17 PM9/3/17
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On 03/09/2017 09:15, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>> ..c'mon, these people in "military" age are basically draft-dodgers,
>> their country of provenance being either unstable or in
>> internal/external war, so they escapes also the concrete possibility
>> of becoming cannon fodder...
>>
>> Dott. Piergiorgio.
>
> In such case, Might I recommend that their sea journey end in Sunny
> Italy? ;-)
whose IS at the root of the row between Italy and central powers: the
>> ..c'mon, these people in "military" age are basically draft-dodgers,
>> their country of provenance being either unstable or in
>> internal/external war, so they escapes also the concrete possibility
>> of becoming cannon fodder...
>>
>> Dott. Piergiorgio.
>
> In such case, Might I recommend that their sea journey end in Sunny
> Italy? ;-)
latter has managed to turn Italy into a huge lager, and we're not happy
of this shit, and we're slowly circling about germany, austria and
hungary's back...
Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.
David E. Powell
Sep 3, 2017, 2:30:27 PM9/3/17
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Spain might be interested, too. Though I don't have as close a read on Spanish Politics as I am sure that you do.
PaxPerPoten
Sep 3, 2017, 11:32:17 PM9/3/17
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an oligarchy that you didn't vote for. Your countries are not sovereign
any longer. The British Brexit is sounding more and more like a High
Profile Divorce of the Rich and Famous in America. Angela Merkel wants
to flood the entire continent with Islamics. For Pets's sake...Just say
no, and mean it!
Jonathan
Sep 4, 2017, 8:23:23 AM9/4/17
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On 9/3/2017 11:32 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 9/3/2017 12:55 PM, dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
>> On 03/09/2017 09:15, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>>
>>>> ..c'mon, these people in "military" age are basically draft-dodgers,
>>>> their country of provenance being either unstable or in
>>>> internal/external war, so they escapes also the concrete possibility
>>>> of becoming cannon fodder...
>>>>
>>>> Dott. Piergiorgio.
>>>
>>> In such case, Might I recommend that their sea journey end in Sunny
>>> Italy? ;-)
>>
>> whose IS at the root of the row between Italy and central powers: the
>> latter has managed to turn Italy into a huge lager, and we're not
>> happy of this shit, and we're slowly circling about germany, austria
>> and hungary's back...
>>
>> Best regards from Italy,
>> dott. Piergiorgio.
>>
>
> I have a real problem understanding the EU system. It appears you have
> an oligarchy that you didn't vote for. Your countries are not sovereign
> any longer. The British Brexit is sounding more and more like a High
> Profile Divorce of the Rich and Famous in America. Angela Merkel wants
> to flood the entire continent with Islamics. For Pets's sake...Just say
> no, and mean it!
>>
>
>
Europe is easy to understand...Appeasement!
> On 9/3/2017 12:55 PM, dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
>> On 03/09/2017 09:15, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>>
>>>> ..c'mon, these people in "military" age are basically draft-dodgers,
>>>> their country of provenance being either unstable or in
>>>> internal/external war, so they escapes also the concrete possibility
>>>> of becoming cannon fodder...
>>>>
>>>> Dott. Piergiorgio.
>>>
>>> In such case, Might I recommend that their sea journey end in Sunny
>>> Italy? ;-)
>>
>> whose IS at the root of the row between Italy and central powers: the
>> latter has managed to turn Italy into a huge lager, and we're not
>> happy of this shit, and we're slowly circling about germany, austria
>> and hungary's back...
>>
>> Best regards from Italy,
>> dott. Piergiorgio.
>>
>
> I have a real problem understanding the EU system. It appears you have
> an oligarchy that you didn't vote for. Your countries are not sovereign
> any longer. The British Brexit is sounding more and more like a High
> Profile Divorce of the Rich and Famous in America. Angela Merkel wants
> to flood the entire continent with Islamics. For Pets's sake...Just say
> no, and mean it!
>>
>
>
Putin knew full-well that by helping Assad barrel bomb all
the Sunni cities of Syria into dust that would create
millions of ISIS filled refugees heading to Europe.
And Putin knew full-well that Europe, as is habit, would do
nothing except APPEASE Putin, predictably doing nothing
whatsoever to stop him from creating so many millions
of ISIS tainted refugees.
And Putin knew full-well that neo-fascism first and foremost
gains power by blaming immigrants for everything, or in the
case of Hitler blaming Jews for everything. Putin knew
the refugees would stoke the spread of fascism in the
western democracies, which could help Putin stay in
power and undermine sanctions against Russia.
And Putin knew full well his bombing campaign would destabilize
Europe, the EU and NATO by the anti-immigrant/anti terror
backlash resulting in the rise of neo-fascism.
Brexit was due to European Appeasement of their beloved
strong men style of leaders, and even the election of a
Putin compromised neo-fascist president in America was
a direct result of European Appeasement and the flood
of immigration out of Syria.
Neo-fascism
From Wiki
Neo-fascism usually includes ultranationalism, populism,
anti-immigration policies...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism
Trump is an ultranationalist, ultrapopulist and
ultra anti-immigrant president.
Gee, funny about that, I guess it's just a big fat
coincidence eh?
s
dott.Piergiorgio
Sep 4, 2017, 8:49:42 AM9/4/17
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the clauzewitzian border.. (albeit Austria, because of her misbehaviour
around the Brennero and Stelvio is tagged for a possible clausewitzian
lesson...) and Italy aims to impose that EU foreign policy became
internal policy, but without germanic leadership.
Caesar conquered Gallia not only with arms, but also co-optation, many
Gaul nobles becoming not only Roman citizen, but also Senators, so, the
Roman senate became the Imperial Senate, and Augustus kept enough power
to said senate to be effective when matters, until Severus Alexander.
Italy's ace in the sleeve (of, if preferred, the Assassin's blades ;) )
lies in its Capital..
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