"Down Periscope" movie questions.
Timothy Jacobs
Did the diesel sub (can't remember the class) have an aft deck gun?
If so, could it have been used to delay the nuke's firing lock by
dropping shells into the water in front of the nuke?
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These are my views, not GEC's.
Steve Atkatz
On 9 Jan 1998 13:12:38 GMT, Timothy Jacobs <timothy...@gecm.com>
fumbled with the keyboard & wrote:
>Did the diesel sub (can't remember the class) have an aft deck gun?
Fleet Boats had two mounts for 4" or 5" guns, 1 fwd and 1 aft of the
conning tower. Mostly because of crewing problems (not enough bodies)
only one was mounted either fwd or aft at the CO's option (most opted
for aft). In any case they were all removed from the remaining Fleet
Boats in the mid 50's
A to Z
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Over Youth and Vigor. DBF!!!
Matt Clonfero
Timothy Jacobs <timothy...@gecm.com> wrote:
>Did the diesel sub (can't remember the class) have an aft deck gun?
Yes.
>If so, could it have been used to delay the nuke's firing lock by
>dropping shells into the water in front of the nuke?
I know that they didn't like the Admiral on board the Nuke, but shooting
at him would probably be pushing it ;>
Aetherem Vincere
Matt.
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WLBBLW
What boat was used to film that movie and how did they make the "at sea"
footage? Tow line?
Steve Atkatz
On 10 Jan 1998 02:35:55 GMT, wlb...@aol.com (WLBBLW) fumbled with the
keyboard & wrote:
>What boat was used to film that movie and how did they make the "at sea"
>footage? Tow line?
The boat was PAMPANITO, the "sea" was San Francisco Bay, yup they used
a tug, and I think there was a barge on the side the camera didn't
see.
SeaPhoto
>What boat was used to film that movie
USS Pampanito (SS-383), a musuem submarine at San Francisco (Pier 45 at
Fisherman's Wharf)
> and how did they make the "at sea"
>footage? Tow line?
Exactly. I happened to be on the Golden Gate Bridge one day and saw her towed
underneath by a single tug, flanked by two camera zodiacs. My understanding is
that the tow line was digitally erased from the final footage.
Hope this helps you.
Kurt Greiner
SeaPhoto Maritime Photography
Still the same old website:
http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html
RoundTower
WLBBLW fingered:
>What boat was used to film that movie and how did they make the "at sea"
footage? Tow line?<
PAMPANITO, the museum/memorial sub at San Francisco. The movie folks spent a
lot of money cleaning the sub up and painting her, and the museum people were
very happy with the result when it was all said and done. She was under tow
several times for the underway scenes; in some of which you can make out the
towline. The "Norfolk" scenes were shot at the NDRF at Suisun Bay - if you
don't pay attention to the background, it's fine, but if you start to look at
all those dead ships it gets obvious.
RT
"I speak for myself, only for myself, and for no one but myself."
Peter C Crichton
> The "Norfolk" scenes were shot at the NDRF at Suisun Bay - if you
>don't pay attention to the background,
Is it possible to see these ships at Suisun Bay from shore ?
Do any boat trips go near the NDRF ?
Peter C
Mike Williams
On 10 Jan 1998 06:14:32 GMT, RoundTower <round...@aol.com> wrote:
>WLBBLW fingered:
>
>>What boat was used to film that movie and how did they make the "at sea"
>footage? Tow line?<
>
> PAMPANITO, the museum/memorial sub at San Francisco. The movie folks spent a
>lot of money cleaning the sub up and painting her, and the museum people were
>very happy with the result when it was all said and done.
Ah-hah! I visited Pampanito a month ago and I thought she was in terrific shape
for a museum boat; I guess that explains some of it. If any of you get the chance, I
highly reccommend taking a look... it only costs $5US.
Also, if you work up a thirst, you might stop by the Steelhead Brewery a couple of
blocks away and sample some of their outstanding porter.
--
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Thomas Degel
Steve Atkatz wrote:
>
> On 10 Jan 1998 02:35:55 GMT, wlb...@aol.com (WLBBLW) fumbled with the
> keyboard & wrote:
>
> >footage? Tow line?
>
> a tug, and I think there was a barge on the side the camera didn't
> see.
>
> A to Z
> ***************************************
> Age and Treachery will always prevail
> Over Youth and Vigor. DBF!!!
Am I mistaken or was it the old museum boat that you can visit in the
Harbour - nice boat by the way
--
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RoundTower
Thomas Degel fingered:
>>Am I mistaken or was it the old museum boat that you can visit in the
Harbour<<
The same boat.
SeaPhoto
>Is it possible to see these ships at Suisun Bay from shore ?
Yes, there are two viewing places, one near the freeway 680 bridge, the other
north of the fleet. You can see the groupings of ships pretty clearly, but it
is a bit distant to see indvidual ships with any detail.
>Do any boat trips go near the NDRF ?
No tours in the area. On rare occasion, the facility will take a group out
for a tour of the fleet, from one of the service launches. If you have a
trailer boat, there is a launch ramp about 2 miles away. As long as you don't
go in between ships (it happens!) and keep a reasonable distance you will not
have any problems viewing the ships.
Mark Borgerson
SeaPhoto wrote:
>
> >Is it possible to see these ships at Suisun Bay from shore ?
>
> Yes, there are two viewing places, one near the freeway 680 bridge, the other
> north of the fleet. You can see the groupings of ships pretty clearly, but it
> is a bit distant to see indvidual ships with any detail.
>
> >Do any boat trips go near the NDRF ?
>
> No tours in the area. On rare occasion, the facility will take a group out
> for a tour of the fleet, from one of the service launches. If you have a
> trailer boat, there is a launch ramp about 2 miles away. As long as you don't
> go in between ships (it happens!) and keep a reasonable distance you will not
> have any problems viewing the ships.
You pass Suisun Bay at about 7-8AM. I remember looking for the Glomar Explorer
while sitting in the dining car at breakfast time. The RR tracks are about
200 yards from the water as you pass the ships. Much more interesting viewing
than the following hour--which is the backside of oil refineries in Benicia
Martinez and Richmond!
Mark Borgerson
Adam Howarter
> She was towed away last year.
>
Too bad. The Russians might still lose ANOTHER sub. I loved the way they
put it in "Hostile Waters"
"Several missile silo hatches had been forced open, and the missiles,
along with the nuclear warheads they contained,....(dramatic delay mine)
were gone."
SeaPhoto
>> You also get good view of the ships from the AMTRAK Coast Starlight
>Southbound.
>You pass Suisun Bay at about 7-8AM. I remember looking for the Glomar
>Explorer
>while sitting in the dining car at breakfast time. The RR tracks are about
>200 yards from the water as you pass the ships. Much more interesting
>viewing
>than the following hour--which is the backside of oil refineries in Benicia
>Martinez and Richmond!
>
>Mark Borgerson
>
>
>
The Glomar was moored outside of the main cluster of mothball ships, so you
probably had a much better view of her than the others from that vantage point.
She was towed away last year.
John Rollins
> > She was towed away last year.
> >
> put it in "Hostile Waters"
I saw the Glomar Explorer while the ship was at the shipyards here in
Portland, being converted to an oil drill or something like that. I think
they were working on sealing up the huge bay underneath the ship and the
beginning of the drilling rig, although it went somewhere else for the
rest of the work. BTW, the view from the Coast Starlight isn't that great
when it's foggy... I could barely see any of the ships! Looked like an old
troop transport and maybe a few old destroyers/frigates. Not very
interesting, and there was too much fog to see much through binoculars.
Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html
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Adam Howarter
Random wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:43:36 -0800, rexs...@ptld.uswest.net (John
> Rollins) wrote:
>
> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>
> Science and Industry in Chicago and there's one in Battleship Cove, MA
> and the Nautilus IIRC at the Submarine Museum near New London.
> >
We have the USS Cod here in Cleveland. You can see it from the rock n
roll hall of fame.
Random
Paul J. Adam
In article <34c07af6...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Random
<Ran...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>Not a list by any means but there is also U-505 at the Museum of
>Science and Industry in Chicago and there's one in Battleship Cove, MA
>and the Nautilus IIRC at the Submarine Museum near New London.
HMS Alliance and Holland 1 at the RN Submarine Museum in Gosport.
>>
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praiseworthy...
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Steve Atkatz
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:43:36 -0800, rexs...@ptld.uswest.net (John
Rollins) fumbled with the keyboard & wrote:
>Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
>Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
>that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>
There's a whole buch of subs serving as museums in the US, goto:
http://www.maritime.org/hnsa-guide.htm
This is the website for the Historic Naval Ships Assoc. All US Museum
Ships are listed there.
Steve Atkatz
On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:03:06 +0000, "Paul J. Adam"
<pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> fumbled with the keyboard & wrote:
>HMS Alliance and Holland 1 at the RN Submarine Museum in Gosport.
>>>
Ah yes, the Holland 1. That was a US design built under license to
John P. Holland, an Irish-American. Good boat wot!
Peter C Crichton
>Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
>Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
>that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
You can find Russian submarines in:-
Stockholm - Sweden
Helsinki - Finland
Copenhagen - Denmark
Den Helder - Holland
Folkestone - England
There is an early Finnish submarine, Vesikko, displayed on an island
in Helsinki harbour
The Spanish Peral used to be displayed on the Paseo Maritimo in
Cartagena, Spain
A U-Boat can be found just outside Kiel, Germany
HMS Onyx is on display at Birkenhead, England
French Espadon can be seen in a German submarine pen in St Nazaire,
France
Argonaute (French) is on display at a technical museum in Paris.
Peter C
WLBBLW
>We have the USS Cod here in Cleveland. You can see it from the rock n
>roll hall of fame.
Hey, dont forget the Mather, its worth the $.
eric.fo...@mailbox.swipnet.se
>
>>Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
>>Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
>>that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>
>You can find Russian submarines in:-
>Stockholm - Sweden
>Helsinki - Finland
>Copenhagen - Denmark
>Den Helder - Holland
>Folkestone - England
>
The U3, an old Swedish submarine lying in Malmoe at the technical
museum.
Doesn´t Nautilus in New London counts ?
Eric F
Sweden
Andrew Toppan
Peter C Crichton (pet...@globalnet.co.uk) was seen to write:
> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
There is a very long list of subs preserved in the US. I really hope
nobody tries to list them all from memory..
AGSS 569 Albacore 1953 Near Portsmouth NSY, Portsmouth, NH
SS 310 Batfish 1943 Muskogee War Memorial, OK
SS 319 Becuna 1944 Olympia Assoc., Philadelphia, PA
SS 581 Blueback 1959 Or. Mus of Sci & Ind, Portland, OR
SS 287 Bowfin 1943 Submarine Mem. Park, Honolulu, HI
SS 244 Cavalla 1944 U.S. Sub. Veterans, Galveston, TX
SS 343 Clamagore 1945 Patriots Point, Charleston, SC
SS 245 Cobia 1944 Manitowoc Maritime Museum, WI
SS 224 Cod 1943 Cleveland, OH
SS 246 Croaker 1944 Naval & Servicemen's Park, Buffalo NY
SS 228 Drum 1941 Battleship Mem. Park, Mobile, AL
SSG 557 Growler 1958 Sea-Air-Space Museum, New York, NY
HA-19 (none) ???? Nimitz Museum, Fredricksburg, TX
HA-?? (none) ???? Groton, CT (Japanese minisub)
-- Holland I ???? Paterson Museum, Paterson, NJ (replica)
-- Holland II ???? Paterson Museum, Paterson, NJ (replica)
-- Intelligent Whale 1863 Navy Yard, Washington DC (early sub)
SS 297 Ling 1945 Submarine Memorial, Hackensack, NJ
SS 298 Lionfish 1944 Battleship Cove, Fall River, MA
-- Maile ???? Groton, CT (Italian minisub)
SST 2 Marlin 1953 Military Historical Soc., Omaha, NE
SSN 571 Nautilus 1954 Groton, CT
SS 383 Pampanito 1943 Fishermans's Wharf, San Francisco, CA
SSR 481 Requin 1945 Carnegie Sci. Cent., Pittsburgh, PA
-- Seehund ???? Groton, CT (German minisub)
-- Seehund ???? Washington DC (German minisub)
SS 236 Silversides 1941 GL Naval & Maritime Mus., Muskegon MI
SS 423 Torsk 1944 Baltimore, MD
-- Trieste I 1953 Navy Yard, Washington DC
DSV 1 Trieste II 1964 Naval Undersea Museum, Keyport, WA
-- U-505 1941 Mus. of Sci. & Ind., Chicago, IL
-- X-1 1955 Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD
-- -- ???? Washington DC (Italian minisub)
And coming soon:
SSN 691 Drum 1972 Vallejo, CA
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More on U-505 at Chicago Museum of Science and Industry . . .
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WLBBLW wrote:
and the Cavalla, in Galveston TX
andtha Silversides in Muskegon,MI
and the SST-2 Marlin in Omaha neb
and the Cobia in Manitowoc WI
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Andre Blanchard
I recently contacted the Sydney Maratime Museum. The submarine on
display is a Russian Foxtrot class sub. I am not sure if that is the
actual ship called Foxtrot but I know it is of that class.
Andre Blanchard
Shipman
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Lambing Flat
Peter C Crichton wrote:
> You can find Russian submarines in:-
> Stockholm - Sweden
> Helsinki - Finland
> Copenhagen - Denmark
> Den Helder - Holland
> Folkestone - England
>
> Peter C
We have one down here in Australia too, at the Sydney Maritime Museum, in
Darling Harbour, right next to the city centre. Its a diesel boat of some
sort, sorry Soviet subs are not my speciality, but it is open for inspection.
One look in there and you'd never get me out in one of those things. It
increased both my admiration for Submariners and my latent claustrophobia!
:-)
James McInerney
Michel Eyckmans (MCE)
In article <34C36CE3...@cherry.com.au>, Lambing Flat <lambi...@cherry.com.au> writes:
|> Peter C Crichton wrote:
|>
|> > You can find Russian submarines in:-
|> > Stockholm - Sweden
|> > Helsinki - Finland
|> > Copenhagen - Denmark
|> > Den Helder - Holland
|> > Folkestone - England
|>
There's one on the Belgian coast too.
In Ostend IIRC, but I could be wrong in that respect.
MCE
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Peter C Crichton wrote:
>
> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>
> Stockholm - Sweden
> Helsinki - Finland
> Copenhagen - Denmark
> Den Helder - Holland
> Folkestone - England
>
> in Helsinki harbour
> The Spanish Peral used to be displayed on the Paseo Maritimo in
> Cartagena, Spain
> A U-Boat can be found just outside Kiel, Germany
> HMS Onyx is on display at Birkenhead, England
> French Espadon can be seen in a German submarine pen in St Nazaire,
> France
> Argonaute (French) is on display at a technical museum in Paris.
>
> Peter C
And do not forget HMS Crocodile, and the very first British sub (as far
as I can rememeber it's some Holland sub) in Gosport, England (across
the bay from Portsmouth).
--
There aint much room in mushrooms
Thomas J. Dougherty, Ph.D.
Bill Damick wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:09:28 -0500, Adam Howarter
> <Ahow...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
> >> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
> >> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>
> with the USS Massachusetts and some other ships. Well worth the
> visit.
>
> Bill Damick
Unfortunately, Lionfish is in bad need of repairs. I understand she
cannot be drydocked, as the corrosion of the hull is severe. Basically,
the sub is dissolving.... You cannot also visit the Lionfish's sister
ship (also a WWII Balao, still outfitted with deck guns) Ling, in
Hackensack, NJ. Both of these subs were products of the not terribly
successful Cramp Ship Yard, in Philadelphia. Neither boat was converted
to GUPPY configuration after the war.
Tom Dougherty
Steve Atkatz
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:12:53 GMT, Mike van de Peppel
<M.D.van...@nym.sc.philips.com> fumbled with the keyboard &
wrote:
> . . . and the very first British sub (as far
>as I can rememeber it's some Holland sub) in Gosport, England (across
>the bay from Portsmouth).
>--
Holland 1, built under license from John P. Holland of Paterson, New
Jersey, US and pretty much a copy of the earlier USS HOLLAND (SS1).
NBAMB A native born Irishman, Holland's 1st sub and the prototype for
the HOLLAND, was the Fenian Ram, commissioned by the Fenian Sociey (a
precursor to the IRA) and built here in Paterson. Luckily for the
Brits it was an operational failure, sank during trials in the Passaic
River, and only served to lead John P. to bigger and better things.
Steve Atkatz
>NBAMB A native born Irishman, Holland's 1st sub and the prototype for
>the HOLLAND, was the Fenian Ram, commissioned by the Fenian Sociey (a
>precursor to the IRA) and built here in Paterson. Luckily for the
>Brits it was an operational failure, sank during trials in the Passaic
>River, and only served to lead John P. to bigger and better things.
>
BTW the recovered Fenian Ram is on exhibit at the Paterson, NJ
Railroad (an old locomotive factory) Museum.
Kimberly-Clark Corporation
In my travels I have run across other subs other than those mentioned in
this thread (sorry but I don't remeber their names!):
Washington Navy Yard - 1 old sub in test basin shed.
Manitowoc, WI - WWII class sub tied up alongside w/ tours. Manitowoc
produced many subs during the war, they were tested Lake Michigan, then
barged (to reduce draft) down through Miss. River and relaunched in
Louisianna.
Pearl Harbor,HI - WWII sub plus conning tower section of another.
Maybe someone out there knows more - just my 2 cents!
Steve Wagner
rhe...@global.california.com
The WWII Drum is alongside the battleship Alabama in Mobile and Vallejo
wants to put the Mare Island built successor Drum in Drydock #1 at the
Mare Island Historic Park. Help us save this 637 class fast attack
submarine. The Pampanito is the one in San Francisco.
Roger Helbig
rhe...@california.com
http://members.tripod.com/~rhelbig/index.html
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Bill Damick wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:09:28 -0500, Adam Howarter
<Ahow...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Random wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:43:36 -0800, rexs...@ptld.uswest.net (John
>> Rollins) wrote:
>>
>> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
>> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
>> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>>
>> Not a list by any means but there is also U-505 at the Museum of
>> Science and Industry in Chicago and there's one in Battleship Cove, MA
>> and the Nautilus IIRC at the Submarine Museum near New London.
>> >
>We have the USS Cod here in Cleveland. You can see it from the rock n
>roll hall of fame.
The sub USS Lionfish is at Battleship Cove up in Fall River, MA along
with the USS Massachusetts and some other ships. Well worth the
visit.
Bill Damick
Roger Helbig
rhe...@global.california.com
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U505 in Chicago of course
Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
In article <01bd25e1$2f8422a0$f54b...@usevh265a-ws.ev.kcc.com>,
"Kimberly-Clark Corporation" <c96704@\\kcc\.usevf001_vol1.everett.usa>
wrote:
>In my travels I have run across other subs other than those mentioned in
>this thread (sorry but I don't remeber their names!):
>
>Maybe someone out there knows more - just my 2 cents!
Keyport WA, the conning tower of the 637, the Treste (sp, Bathescaph)
and another DSV that I forget the name of. All at the Naval Undersea
Museum
Ralph (who really should recheck that name, since he drives by it almost
every day)
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Full Submarines:
Historic Ship Nautilus (SSN-571)
Submarine Base New London, Groton, CT 06340
Albacore (AGSS-569)
Albacore Park, Portsmouth, NH.
Batfish (AGSS-310)
War Memorial Park, Muskogee, OK
Becuna (SS-319)
Penn’s Landing, Philadelphia, PA
Blueback (SS-581)
Oregion Museum of Science and Industry, Portland, OR
Bowfin (SS-287)
The USS BOWFIN (SS-287) Pearl Harbor, HI
Cavalla (AGSS-244)
Seawolf Park on Pelican Island, Galveston, TX
Clamagore (SS-343)
Patriot’s Point, Charleston, SC
Cobia (AGSS-245)
Manitowoc Museum, Manitowoc, WI
Cod (SS-224)
Naval Reserve Center, Cleveland, OH
Croaker (SS-246)
Buffalo and Erie County Naval and Servicemen’s Park, Buffalo, NY
Drum (AGSS-228)
Alabama Memorial Park, Mobile, AL
Growler (SSG-577)
Intrepid Square, New York, NY
Ling (SS-297)
Borg Park, Hackensack, NJ
Lionfish (SS-298)
Battleship Cove, Fall River, MA
Marlin (SST-2)
Freedom Park, Omaha, NB
Pampanito (SS-383)
San Francisco Maritime Museum, San Francisco, CA
Requin (AGSS-481)
Carnegie Science Center, Pittsburgh, PA
Silversides (SS-236)
Pierre Marquette Park, North Muskegan, MI
Torsk (AGSS-423)
Baltimore Maritime Museum, Baltimore, MD
Balao (SS-285)
Washington Navy Yard, Washington, DC; [Conning Tower]
Flasher (SS-249)
National Submarine Memorial, Groton, CT [Conning Tower]
Parche (SS-384)
Seawolf Memorial Park, Pearl Harbor, HI, [Conning Tower]
Pintado (SS-387)
Nimitz Museum, Fredricksburg, TX [Conning Tower]
Roncador (SS-301)
Washington Navy Yard, Washington, DC, [Barrel only]
Sailfish [Squalus] (SS-192)
Portsmouth Navy Yard, Kittery, ME, [Conning Tower]
Sturgeon (SSN-637)
Naval Undersea Museum, Keyport, WA, [Sail]
George Washington (SSBN-598)
Submarine Force Library and Museum Submarine Base New London,
Groton, CT
Roncador (SS-301) Ballast Point, San Diego, CA (See below)
United States:
Plaques, Monuments, Monument Objects
Submarine Memorial Wall, National Submarine Memorial, Groton,
CT
Contains names of Submariners who died Dec 41 to Sep 45.
Invidual Submarine Plaques for the boats lost during Dec 41 to Sep
45
Ballast Point, San Diego, CA
3"/50 Deck Gun
VFW -- Mystic, CT
3"/50 Deck Gun
VFW -- New London, CT
Mk 14-3A and monument
Annapolis, MD
Plaque to Submariners Lost Dec 41 to Sep 45
Cape Cod Canal, Route 6, MA
Albacore Park, Portsmouth, NH
Four plaques, mounted on waist high stonepillars, to lost submariners
in the Memorial Garden of Albacore Park inPortsmouth, NH. One
each to the crews of O-9, Squalus and Thresher and one to all
submariners lost in WWII.
Japan:
USS Bonefish Monument to two men lost, Sasebo, Japan
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Kevin Langley
This is kind of off topic of museum submarines, but I was
curious about it nontheless. Back in the summer of 1990, I went to
the UK for 2 weeks on an exchange program with the US Naval Sea
Cadets. We were in Portsmouth for the 2 weeks, staying on board the
HMS Kent (County class destroyer) which was moored to an island there
at the base where a lot of training was done apparantly. Lots of
sailboats on the island and such. One day we were kayaking around
the island and moored to a small pier was a severly rusted and damaged
looking diesel sub. Definitely looked around WWII vintage. Does
anyone happen to have any idea of what sub this might have been, what
it was doing there and what became of it? Thanks.
Kevin
demo...@erols.com
Steve Atkatz
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:00:53 GMT, demonelf@"NOSPAM"erols.com (Kevin
Langley) fumbled with the keyboard & wrote:
>One day we were kayaking around
>the island and moored to a small pier was a severly rusted and damaged
>looking diesel sub. Definitely looked around WWII vintage. Does
>anyone happen to have any idea of what sub this might have been, what
>it was doing there and what became of it? Thanks.
Musta been one of those Upholders that they've been trying to sell and
can't find any takers for. Geeez, I wonder why? :>))
Random
>
> This is kind of off topic of museum submarines, but I was
>curious about it nontheless. Back in the summer of 1990, I went to
>the UK for 2 weeks on an exchange program with the US Naval Sea
>Cadets. We were in Portsmouth for the 2 weeks, staying on board the
>HMS Kent (County class destroyer) which was moored to an island there
>at the base where a lot of training was done apparantly. Lots of
>sailboats on the island and such. One day we were kayaking around
>the island and moored to a small pier was a severly rusted and damaged
>looking diesel sub. Definitely looked around WWII vintage. Does
>anyone happen to have any idea of what sub this might have been, what
>it was doing there and what became of it? Thanks.
Do you suppose it was an Upholder?
random
Andrew Toppan
ThrottleDog (Taut...@Hotmail.com) was seen to write:
> Historic Ship Nautilus (SSN-571)
> Submarine Base New London, Groton, CT 06340
Unless they've moved her (and I know they haven't), she's at a museum (US
Submarine Force Museum?) *OUTSIDE* the base. Everybody seems to think
she's inside the base, but anyone who has been there can tell you she
isn't.
Andrew Toppan
NOSPAMKevin Langley (demo...@erols.com) was seen to write:
> looking diesel sub. Definitely looked around WWII vintage. Does
> anyone happen to have any idea of what sub this might have been, what
Probably one of the old Oberons, waiting for disposal...
Kevin Langley
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:23:40 GMT, Ran...@ix.netcom.com (Random)
wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:00:53 GMT, demonelf@"NOSPAM"erols.com (Kevin
>Langley) wrote:
>
>>
>> This is kind of off topic of museum submarines, but I was
>>curious about it nontheless. Back in the summer of 1990, I went to
>>the UK for 2 weeks on an exchange program with the US Naval Sea
>>Cadets. We were in Portsmouth for the 2 weeks, staying on board the
>>HMS Kent (County class destroyer) which was moored to an island there
>>at the base where a lot of training was done apparantly. Lots of
>>sailboats on the island and such. One day we were kayaking around
>>the island and moored to a small pier was a severly rusted and damaged
>>looking diesel sub. Definitely looked around WWII vintage. Does
>>anyone happen to have any idea of what sub this might have been, what
>>it was doing there and what became of it? Thanks.
>
>Do you suppose it was an Upholder?
>
>random
No, It definitely was not an Upholder. This one looked far older and
the entire hull and conning tower design was 1940ish to 1950ish. Plus
this thing was so rusty and beat up that it must have been a few
decades old.
Kevin
demo...@erols.com
Kevin Langley
On 22 Jan 1998 15:14:41 GMT, el...@WPI.EDU (Andrew Toppan) wrote:
>NOSPAMKevin Langley (demo...@erols.com) was seen to write:
>> looking diesel sub. Definitely looked around WWII vintage. Does
>> anyone happen to have any idea of what sub this might have been, what
>
>Probably one of the old Oberons, waiting for disposal...
Are the Oberons the same class as what the Canadian Navy is
using right now? If so then it wasn't one of those either I don't
think. This one I saw may have had an old deck gun on it. I wish I'd
had my camera along on that kayaking trip so I could have gotten a
picture or two.
Kevin
demo...@erols.com
Timothy"Snorkle" J. McCorkle
>Throttle dog wrote:
>SNIPPAGE
You forgot all that stuff in the Horse and Cow!
Paul J. Adam
In article <34c6fb8c...@news.erols.com>, Kevin Langley
<demonelf@?.com> writes
> This is kind of off topic of museum submarines, but I was
>curious about it nontheless. Back in the summer of 1990, I went to
>the UK for 2 weeks on an exchange program with the US Naval Sea
>Cadets. We were in Portsmouth for the 2 weeks, staying on board the
>HMS Kent (County class destroyer) which was moored to an island there
>at the base where a lot of training was done apparantly. Lots of
>sailboats on the island and such. One day we were kayaking around
>the island and moored to a small pier was a severly rusted and damaged
>anyone happen to have any idea of what sub this might have been, what
Was this Whale Island?
I'd guess it was, perhaps, an old A-boat, held waiting for Pounds to
scrap it: they've got several old O-boats at the moment, and have had
all manner of other kit (from some ancient submarines, to a company of
Chieftain tanks) go through their yard.
--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...
Paul J. Adam pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk
Karsten Paczkowski
On 17 Jan 98 Peter wrote to
"Museum Submarines" the following lines:
PCC>A U-Boat can be found just outside Kiel, Germany
This u-boat is U-995, a type VII, and can be visited at Laboe,
close to Kiel.
Another German U-Boat can be visited at Bremerhaven, U Wilhelm
Bauer (ex U 2540), a type XXI.
For those that are interested in Walter's turbin technology, the
prototype he built can also be visited at Bremerhaven, along with
a brief explanation of the technology. I don't remember the name
(classe) of that prototype submarine, but if anyone should be
interested, I can take a look at my sources and find out.
Best regards,
Karsten
--
"Nothing is easier than being busy -
and nothing more difficult than being effective..."
(R. Alec Mackenzie)
>>> PGP-KEY available on request <<<
Kevin Langley
Yes, now that you mention it, the island was in fact Whale
Island. I couldn't remember the name of the island I was on, but it
was a case where if I heard the name I'd remember it. On the side of
the island facing away from the rest of the berths, there was a small
pier on the inland side of the water surrounding the island. There
may have been a building or two there too and some cranes.
Kevin
demo...@erols.com
Andrew Toppan
Andre Blanchard (shi...@geocities.com) was seen to write:
> its "Great Lakes Tour 97". I will attach a photo (front view) to show
> you. Unfortunately I couldnt get a great vantage point for a great
Does "NO BINARIES" mean anything to you? Posting of binary files is
PROHIBITED in this newsgroup.
Erik Zahn
Peter C Crichton wrote:
>
> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>
> Stockholm - Sweden
> Helsinki - Finland
> Copenhagen - Denmark
> Den Helder - Holland
> Folkestone - England
>
> There is an early Finnish submarine, Vesikko, displayed on an island
> in Helsinki harbour
> The Spanish Peral used to be displayed on the Paseo Maritimo in
> Cartagena, Spain
> French Espadon can be seen in a German submarine pen in St Nazaire,
> France
> Argonaute (French) is on display at a technical museum in Paris.
>
> Peter C
Naval Undersea Warfare Center that has a lot of submarine exhibits,
including the sail of the USS Sturgeon. There is also a U Boat at the
Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, IL.
Ken
The state of Minnesota is attempting to aquire the USS DesMoines. If
approved by the legislature this year, legislative season is Jan -
Mar, the ship will be towed to drydock where it will be cleaned up.
Planned delivery to Duluth MN. on 4 July '98. A rather ambitious plan
but I am hopeful that it happens.
Ken Zalewski
Webmaster for USS Wainwright Veterans Association
http://www.visi.com/~kenz/wwtgreat.htm
Graham Watson
Erik Zahn <Erik...@boeing.com> wrote in article
<34C8FD...@boeing.com>...
> Peter C Crichton wrote:
> >
> > >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub
in
> > >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one
in SF
> > >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
> >
> > You can find Russian submarines in:-
> > Stockholm - Sweden
> > Helsinki - Finland
> > Copenhagen - Denmark
> > Den Helder - Holland
> > Folkestone - England
> >
> > There is an early Finnish submarine, Vesikko, displayed on an island
> > in Helsinki harbour
> > The Spanish Peral used to be displayed on the Paseo Maritimo in
> > Cartagena, Spain
> > A U-Boat can be found just outside Kiel, Germany
> > HMS Onyx is on display at Birkenhead, England
> > French Espadon can be seen in a German submarine pen in St Nazaire,
> > France
> > Argonaute (French) is on display at a technical museum in Paris.
> >
> > Peter C
> There is a museum in Keyport, WA (about 20 miles West of Seattle) at the
> Naval Undersea Warfare Center that has a lot of submarine exhibits,
> including the sail of the USS Sturgeon. There is also a U Boat at the
> Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, IL.
>
There is a Foxtrot in Sydney at the maritime museum. This may be joined by
an Oberon when the last of the Australian Oberons pays off. Another Oberon
may be put in a museum in Freemantle West Australia.
In the tiny inland town of Holbrook NSW there is an Oberon Casing and fin
built into a park alongside the highway.
--
Graham Watson
There are only two types of ships
Submarines and Targets
Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
In article <01bd28c0$9603b860$c51a...@grahamw.dynamite.com.au>, "Graham
Watson" <gra...@dynamite.com.au> wrote:
>--
>Graham Watson
>There are only two types of ships
>Submarines and Targets
I somewhat agree, but would change that to:
There are only two types of ships
Submerged and Surface, both are targets:
Andrew Toppan
Ken (ke...@visi.com) was seen to write:
> The state of Minnesota is attempting to aquire the USS DesMoines. If
And just how is this relevant to discussion of museum *submarines*? Last
I checked, DES MOINES was a cruiser, not a submarine.
DGil
Remember the U-505 in Chicago
The Digger
m.lee
rhe...@global.california.com wrote:
| The WWII Drum is alongside the battleship Alabama in Mobile and Vallejo
| wants to put the Mare Island built successor Drum in Drydock #1 at the
| Mare Island Historic Park. Help us save this 637 class fast attack
| submarine. The Pampanito is the one in San Francisco.
Yup, she's a local movie star: the National Maritime Museum Association has
the restored Balao class fleet submarine USS Pampanito (SS-383) at Pier 45
on Fisherman's Wharf, open every day.
ml, the SeaBee's kid
A R BREEN
In article <34C806...@geocities.com>,
Andre Blanchard <shi...@geocities.com> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
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Binaries are expressly forbidden by the charter of this group.
Please don't do this again.
--
Andy Breen ~ Max-Planck Institut fur Aeronomie, Katlenburg-Lindau
breen-sleepysnail-helene-dot-mpae-dot-gwdg-dot-de
http-colon-slash-slash-www-dot-mpae-dot-gwdg-dot-de/tilde-breen
My posting, my opinions......
Black ICE
don't recall her name) moored next to USS OLYMPIA in Philadelphia, PA (I
went aboard both, but OLYMPIA was far more memorable.)
> --
> Graham Watson
> There are only two types of ships
> Submarines and Targets
--
Reply address is false. Reply to wom...@premier.net
Ken
On 24 Jan 1998 18:06:26 GMT, el...@WPI.EDU (Andrew Toppan) wrote:
>Ken (ke...@visi.com) was seen to write:
>> The state of Minnesota is attempting to aquire the USS DesMoines. If
>
>And just how is this relevant to discussion of museum *submarines*? Last
>I checked, DES MOINES was a cruiser, not a submarine.
>
GASP! What in the world have I done. Looks like I have commited the
worst crime one can commite. yup, I made a mistake. yup, in my haste
looks like I hit the reply to instead of the post new button. Perhaps
I could bring suit against the manufacturer of the program. putting
buttons so close together. Anyway, guess I will just have to go out
back and kill myself now, it's a damn shame I let my humanity get in
the way of someone elses perfectionism.
John Martin, Jr.
There is the USS Requin, a WWII Tench Class (I believe) sub, at the
Carnegie Science Center in Pittsburgh, PA. Its still in great shape becaue
it never saw action, it was just going out on duty when the war ended.
Tours are given daily during most of the year. Its pretty neat, because
most guides served in the Navy during WWII.
John M.
"I will find a way or make one."
-- Robert E. Peary
FIREBOY49
also the U.S.S Silversides in Michigan
Andre Blanchard
My apologies. I was unaware of this matter. I will not be sending any
more binaries.
Andre Blanchard
D4346
>There is the USS Requin, a WWII Tench Class (I believe) sub, at the
>Carnegie Science Center in Pittsburgh, PA. Its still in great shape becaue
>it never saw action, it was just going out on duty when the war ended.
>Tours are given daily during most of the year. Its pretty neat, because
>most guides served in the Navy during WWII.
>
commission from 1945 until 1968 whereupon she started a two or
three year tour as a NRF pierside training boat. As I remember,
she was first a memorial in the Tampa/St Petersburg, FL area but
due to her very poor maintenance, the Navy repossessed her
and she ended up in Pittsburg. If the tour guides served in the
Navy in WW II...she's probably in better shape than they are......
DN
D4346
>On 24 Jan 1998 18:06:26 GMT, el...@WPI.EDU (Andrew Toppan) wrote:
>
>>Ken (ke...@visi.com) was seen to write:
>>> The state of Minnesota is attempting to aquire the USS DesMoines. If
>>
>>And just how is this relevant to discussion of museum *submarines*? Last
>>I checked, DES MOINES was a cruiser, not a submarine.
>>
>GASP! What in the world have I done. Looks like I have commited the
>worst crime one can commite. yup, I made a mistake. yup, in my haste
>looks like I hit the reply to instead of the post new button. Perhaps
>I could bring suit against the manufacturer of the program. putting
>buttons so close together. Anyway, guess I will just have to go out
>back and kill myself now, it's a damn shame I let my humanity get in
>the way of someone elses perfectionism.
>
Well said!! If you keep trying you may someday amount to
something........even Andrew has been seen to make the odd error from time to
time.....the only difference between yours and his the
fact you've just admitted making one......and Andrew is yet to ever
be wrong about anything.
DN
D4346
>>
>IIRC, you also have USS DRUM, (Mobile, AL?), and a GUPPY refit (sorry, I
>don't recall her name) moored next to USS OLYMPIA in Philadelphia, PA (I
>went aboard both, but OLYMPIA was far more memorable.)
>
>> --
DRUM is part of the ALABAMA "Battleship Park" just East of
Mobile on I-10....she is in excellent condition and, as an aside, has
the distinction of being the only GATO class boat commissioned
BEFORE the attack on Pearl Harbor. The boat moored inboard
of OLYMPIA is BECUNA......in nowhere near as good shape as
DRUM but also lacking the backing of the State.
DN
D4346
>No, It definitely was not an Upholder. This one looked far older and
>the entire hull and conning tower design was 1940ish to 1950ish. Plus
>this thing was so rusty and beat up that it must have been a few
>decades old.
>
decommissioned in the 70's with a deck gun still mounted. I think
this was one of a class of submarine built just at the end of WW II
(A-class). When they were modernized they kept a mounting
"hard point" for a 4" gun which was fitted on and off throughout
their service lives. I remember reading someplace that ANDREW
was the last RN submarine to actually mount one and conducted
the last submarine gun shoot just prior to paying off. Could be
her I guess.
DN
D4346
>
>Unless they've moved her (and I know they haven't), she's at a museum (US
>Submarine Force Museum?) *OUTSIDE* the base. Everybody seems to think
>she's inside the base, but anyone who has been there can tell you she
>isn't.
>
The US Submarine Force Museum is just outside the gate
of the submarine base....it's PART of the base though and I have
a booklet here someplace that gives the submarine base as the mailing address.
When I was last there in 93 there was actually
a duty section of uniformed base personnel at the museum....they
opened the library for me (it was a Saturday) which I thought was
really nice of them. The property is owned by the base and the
NAUTILIS and museum are only where they are to preclude an
overload of visitors at the gate. Guess what I'm trying to say here
is that "ThrottleDog" is 100% correct on this particular issue.
DN
D4346
> Silversides (SS-236)
> Pierre Marquette Park, North Muskegan, MI
Nice list but when did SILVERSIDES move to Michigan? Last
time I saw her she was in Chicago.
>George Washington (SSBN-598)
> Submarine Force Library and Museum Submarine Base New London,
> Groton, CT
And I didn't know that either.......when did this happen??
DN
Timothy"Snorkle" J. McCorkle
silversides went to Muskegon in the 80's to go into a dry dock... after
some work was done the city of Chicago decided they wanted to do other
things at Navy Pier, (like Gay rights picnics) and didn't want it
Back... Saw her surface run north past Glakes in 75, wish I had the
pictures still. when I got Back in 83... she wasn't there anymore.
John Martin, Jr.
As I remember,
> she was first a memorial in the Tampa/St Petersburg, FL area but
Yeah, I think she was from there.
> due to her very poor maintenance, the Navy repossessed her
They keep her up pretty well now from what I can tell.
> and she ended up in Pittsburg. If the tour guides served in the
Hey, Pittsburgh with an "H"!!! =) Without the H is somewhere in Kansas or
Nebraska.
> Navy in WW II...she's probably in better shape than they are......
Dunno, those old guys seem might spry. They were all pretty young I think
(probably very junior enlisted).
Jim Kelly
Curious to know if anyone else in the group is a member of
the International Naval Research Organization? Their
quarterly publication: WARSHIP INTERNATIONAL is excellent.
Jim Kelly
Cesare Vecchi
Jim Kelly wrote:
I am a member of I.N.R.O. My collection of Warship International dates
from 1972: this publication is a must in a naval library.
.............................................
Cesare Vecchi
Falconara M.ma (AN) - Italy
vec...@popcsi.unian.it
D4346
>> and she ended up in Pittsburg. If the tour guides served in the
>
>Hey, Pittsburgh with an "H"!!! =) Without the H is somewhere in Kansas or
>Nebraska.
>
DN
Jarmo Lindberg
Peter C Crichton wrote:
> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in SF
> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>
> You can find Russian submarines in:-
> Stockholm - Sweden
> Helsinki - Finland
> Copenhagen - Denmark
> Den Helder - Holland
> Folkestone - England
>
> There is an early Finnish submarine, Vesikko, displayed on an island
> in Helsinki harbour
> The Spanish Peral used to be displayed on the Paseo Maritimo in
> Cartagena, Spain
> A U-Boat can be found just outside Kiel, Germany
> HMS Onyx is on display at Birkenhead, England
> French Espadon can be seen in a German submarine pen in St Nazaire,
> France
> Argonaute (French) is on display at a technical museum in Paris.
>
> Peter C
I visited the Golf class russian submarine in the Helsinki harbour in August
1993. After that it was to be towed to London but to my knowledge it sank close
to Denmark while being towed. The owner Jari Komulainen bought another one.
The Vesikko submarine is still in Suomenlinna in the Helsinki harbour.
--
Jarmo Lindberg
Fighter Squadron 21: http://www.mil.fi/ftrsqn21/
Fighter Tactics Academy: http://www.sci.fi/~fta/welcome.htm
Dave Powell
Andrew Toppan wrote in message <6adaj2$rhs$2...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>...
>Ken (ke...@visi.com) was seen to write:
>> The state of Minnesota is attempting to aquire the USS DesMoines. If
>
>And just how is this relevant to discussion of museum *submarines*? Last
>I checked, DES MOINES was a cruiser, not a submarine.
Hey, best of luck to those guys.. Atlantic City was trying to get the Des
Moines as well, to be a more southerly version of the USS New Jersey
memorial, but those guys are home state.
Maybe they can park a Submarine next to it... (G)
Per Nordenberg
Jarmo Lindberg skrev i meddelandet <34D43505...@sci.fi>...
>Peter C Crichton wrote:
>
>> >Anyone have a list of museum submarines? I know of two, a russian sub in
>> >Vancouver, BC and the USS Blueback in Portland, OR. Oh yeah, the one in
SF
>> >that this thread was talking about before... What else is there?
>>
>> There is an early Finnish submarine, Vesikko, displayed on an island
>> in Helsinki harbour
>
>The Vesikko submarine is still in Suomenlinna in the Helsinki harbour.
>--
>Jarmo Lindberg
>Fighter Squadron 21: http://www.mil.fi/ftrsqn21/
>Fighter Tactics Academy: http://www.sci.fi/~fta/welcome.htm
>
>
I visited the island of Soumenlinna in nov last year and she was there all
right. A very beautiful place Soumenlinna, but unfortunately nearly all the
museums there were closed for the season. Vesikko turned out to be a
disappointment since there was no entrance into sub, and there wasn´t even
any info on the history of the boat. It looked as if it were placed there
just to be shown to the passengers on ferries passing by.
I have also wondered why Vesikko was choosen as the finnish museum sub. She
was a one of boat with a mere 250 ton surface displacement and no deck gun
(only light AA), and she had not the war record of the three larger boats
the Iku-Turso, Vesihiisi and Vetehinen. I believe these were accounted for
three russian subs attacked and sunk on the surface.
Best regards,
Per Nordenberg
Sweden
Brian Ernst Balster
In article <uYU7zmU...@upnetnews02.moswest.msn.net>,
Dave Powell <david_po...@msn.com> wrote:
>Andrew Toppan wrote in message <6adaj2$rhs$2...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>...
>>Ken (ke...@visi.com) was seen to write:
>>> The state of Minnesota is attempting to aquire the USS DesMoines. If
>>
>>And just how is this relevant to discussion of museum *submarines*? Last
>>I checked, DES MOINES was a cruiser, not a submarine.
>
>Hey, best of luck to those guys.. Atlantic City was trying to get the Des
>Moines as well, to be a more southerly version of the USS New Jersey
>memorial, but those guys are home state.
>
the last time i checked
{ about one second ago!!!!!}
our northen territory (minnisota) was still
considered by most americans to be a SEPERATE region,
not part of our glorious state.
i'm ever so glad that at least someone realizes that IOWA
goes all the way up to the convergence of the mississippii
and the minnesota rivers and that the land north thererof
is tributary to desmoines
brian b
talking from a corn field surrounded by pigs.
ps. if you don't have any idea what the hell i'm talking
about, look at a map. see what state desmoines is in
(according to you map)
and compare that to what state your map says duluff (sic)
{you know that city accross from superior wiscosin}
is in. i'll give you a hint, unless you bought your
map from me, it wont list duluff(sorry again about my spelling)
as part of IOWA. although, IT SHOULD!!!!!
--
brian balster
gil...@iastate.edu
" in theory, practice and theory are the same...
... but in practice, they're not!"
PSJolly
A couple of years ago the USS Bainbridge visited Den Helder, and I visited both
the Foxtrot SS and the Zwaardvis class SS Tonijn (S805). They were both in
very good condition. The Tonijn was actually out of the water on approximately
20' blocks! Weird to have to climb a ladder to get aboard a submarine!
Steve Jolly EM2
Richard Wolff
I have had a hit-and-miss collection of WI for a while and just this month
joined INRO. In fact, my new member kit just arrived today.
=Richard Wolff
####
> Curious to know if anyone else in the group is a member of
> the International Naval Research Organization? Their
> quarterly publication: WARSHIP INTERNATIONAL is excellent.
>
> Jim Kelly
Dave Powell
Brian Ernst Balster wrote in message <6ben8b$ohg$1...@news.iastate.edu>...
They are closer... ACK.
Guess that's what I get for sleeping thru that class back all those years
ago. Heh.
Dave
Dave Powell
Per Nordenberg wrote in message <886707473.493142@mn8>...
Vessiko was built in the 1930s and was an inspiration for the type II
U-Boats, the first the Germans built for Donitz' fleet after they shrugged
off the Treaty of Versailles. In this is has significance, as well as the
service it provided for it's home nation.
Dave