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Spearfish vs Mk 48 ADCAP vs. Type 53

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LEYTE C

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Nov 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/4/95
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Which of these heavyweight torpedoes is the best ? Marconi
Spearfish, Mk 48 ADCAP or Russian Type 53 ? I know each has
certain advantages but which is best overall ?
C. Leyte.
"Guns are left to do what words might have done earlier,
rightly used".

Paul Jonathan Adam

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Nov 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/4/95
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A7...@UNB.CA "LEYTE C" writes:
> Which of these heavyweight torpedoes is the best ? Marconi
> Spearfish, Mk 48 ADCAP or Russian Type 53 ? I know each has
> certain advantages but which is best overall ?
> C. Leyte.

Spearfish. Spearfish is the best. Spearfish rules. Spearfish rocks.

Repeat the above 666 times for cosmic enlightenment ;)

BTW, what advantages does Russian Type 53 have?

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Paul J. Adam pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk

Scott D. Orr

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Nov 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/6/95
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In <815525...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> Paul Jonathan Adam

<Pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> A7...@UNB.CA "LEYTE C" writes:
>> Which of these heavyweight torpedoes is the best ? Marconi
>> Spearfish, Mk 48 ADCAP or Russian Type 53 ? I know each has
>> certain advantages but which is best overall ?
>> C. Leyte.
>
>Spearfish. Spearfish is the best. Spearfish rules. Spearfish rocks.
>
>Repeat the above 666 times for cosmic enlightenment ;)
>
>BTW, what advantages does Russian Type 53 have?
>
While I agree with Paul, you might want to ask him which of the above
torpedoes he builds. :)

Scott Orr

Andy Spark

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Nov 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/7/95
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In article <47ls9t$5...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, amii...@aol.com (AMI Inter) writes:
> Well to us Americans its obvious;
>
> The Mk 48 ADCAP, runs faster, jumps higher........

We of course have no idea of the maximum speed of Spearfish, so can hide behind
the OSA and be smug in the knowledge that it's a f****** site quicker than
yours, or not as the case maybe, anyhow, we don't have to tell you because you
probably already think you know, but do you? I wait with baited breath to find
out, but I shan't be telling you if you are right or not....

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her advice and followed it wherever it went. -Joe Orton

http://juno.phy.bris.ac.uk/~phas/index.html
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Guy Francis Vella

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Nov 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/7/95
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Paul Jonathan Adam <Pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> A7...@UNB.CA "LEYTE C" writes:
>> Which of these heavyweight torpedoes is the best ? Marconi
>> Spearfish, Mk 48 ADCAP or Russian Type 53 ? I know each has
>> certain advantages but which is best overall ?
>> C. Leyte.
>
>Spearfish. Spearfish is the best. Spearfish rules. Spearfish rocks.
>
>Repeat the above 666 times for cosmic enlightenment ;)
>

Not english are we Paul :)
Care to be more specific as to why. Within the bounds of OSA of course, we
don't want another one of those arguments do we ;)
The RAN has apparently not yet announced what torps the new Collins class will
use, though it will presumedly be the MK 48 since we already deploy those on
the Oberons, but can you make any arguments as to why not? :)
Also one question since you seem to have `some' knowledge of this area <grin>,
would the fact that the MK 48's were design for use with nuke boats make them
operationally inferior to the Spearfish because it was designed (I presume
since britian has both) to be fired from both diesal and nuke.

>BTW, what advantages does Russian Type 53 have?

It's very cheap?

Guy-Francis Vella
School of Government & Public Policy
University of Sydney


Paul Jonathan Adam

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Nov 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/7/95
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amii...@aol.com "AMI Inter" writes:
> Well to us Americans its obvious;
> The Mk 48 ADCAP, runs faster, jumps higher........

<chuckle> And if they hold seagoing athletics meets it wins hands down.
If you actually want warheads on target, choose a Spearfish. Faster, smarter,
better sonar, better wire guidance, quieter, longer-ranged, cheaper,
environmentally friendly, biodegradable, low in cholesterol, high in fibre,
pasteurised, homogenised, tuberculin-tested, with added vitamins A, C and D,
printed on recycled paper and made from forest-friendly hardwoods.

This post has been brought to you as an unofficial exercise by the GEC-Marconi
Underwater Weapons Division Internet Marketing Department. All statistics and
offers subject to revision without notice. Offer expires yesterday :)

Jim Nowotarski

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Nov 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/8/95
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In article <815768...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> Paul Jonathan Adam <Pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> writes:
>From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Spearfish vs Mk 48 ADCAP vs. Type 53
>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 18:13:33 GMT

> amii...@aol.com "AMI Inter" writes:
>> Well to us Americans its obvious;
>> The Mk 48 ADCAP, runs faster, jumps higher........

><chuckle> And if they hold seagoing athletics meets it wins hands down.
>If you actually want warheads on target, choose a Spearfish. Faster, smarter,
>better sonar, better wire guidance, quieter, longer-ranged, cheaper,
>environmentally friendly, biodegradable, low in cholesterol, high in fibre,
>pasteurised, homogenised, tuberculin-tested, with added vitamins A, C and D,
>printed on recycled paper and made from forest-friendly hardwoods.

You forgot:
"And, in the extremely minor chance that it misses, DOUBLE your enemy back!!"

>This post has been brought to you as an unofficial exercise by the GEC-Marconi
>Underwater Weapons Division Internet Marketing Department. All statistics and
>offers subject to revision without notice. Offer expires yesterday :)

I'll take two. Is it ok if my check expired 2 days ago?

>--
>"When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
>him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better
>or for worse, you have acted decisively.
> In fact, the next move is up to him." <R.A. Lafferty>

>Paul J. Adam pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk


Jim Nowotarski
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B.S. Hickman

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Nov 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/8/95
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phas@brspva (Andy Spark) wrote:
>We of course have no idea of the maximum speed of Spearfish, so can hide behind
>the OSA and be smug in the knowledge that it's a f****** site quicker than
>yours, or not as the case maybe, anyhow, we don't have to tell you because you
>probably already think you know, but do you? I wait with baited breath to find
>out, but I shan't be telling you if you are right or not....
>__

The web page for the Trafalgar class submarine (official mod page) says
" Marconi Spearfish; wire-guided; active/passive homing to 65 km (35 nm) at
60 knots; warhead directed energy. "
This page and also ones for the Type 22 and Type 23 frigates can be found at
http://www.open.gov.uk/fop/pages/ships.htm
There are also a few pictures as well


Steve Atkatz

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Nov 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/10/95
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<it depends on whether your target intends to shoot back.

Once that ram cycles, whatever you're shooting at an SSN or OHIO
for that matter, it doesn't really matter how quiet the fish is
the chances are pretty high of you also becoming an "overdue and
presumed lost" statistic. I'm assuming you guys don't swim the
Spearfish out.

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Gene Bruce

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Nov 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/10/95
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> Spearfish has a DE warhead? On a heavyweight torpedo? Jeez, is
>that just in case you need to sink the Kola Peninsula?
>
>:)
>Joe Poulin
>

No, it is to penetrate double hulls i.e. Oscar, Victor III, Delta, and Typhoon class subs.

They are (in Harpoon wargame anyway) difficult to kill even with heavyweight torps.

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Gene Bruce

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Nov 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/10/95
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Urban Fredriksson

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Nov 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/11/95
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How come Bofors' Typ 62/Type 2000 isn't mentioned in this
discussion? It's unknown or what?
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