"how many divisions has the Pope ?"

[dott.Piergiorgio]

the quote of stalin's major strategic mistake is very appropriate,
because the Roman Pontiff is now working on the Korean crisis.

Last time this happened, all ends well for everyone...

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

[Jonathan]

Trump isn't rational, and as the collusion walls
steadily close in around him, expect his behavior
to becomes more unhinged. Even to the point of
starting a war to divert from his impending
criminal problems.

Paul Manafort, Trump's first campaign chairman
was just charged with I believe 11 felonies.

And Manafort was paid tens of millions of dollars
to politically protect Putin's puppet in Ukraine
Yanukovych.

Ukraine is Putin's single most important geopolitical
asset even greater than Syria. And Putin's oligarchs
paid Manafort millions to protect that asset.

That means Manafort was trusted by Putin and his
inner circle of oligarchs with Putin's greatest
asset.

That means Paul Manafort was a part of Putin's
inner circle, and Manafort was the FIRST PERSON
Trump chose to be his right hand man.

I mean, this investigation is just getting started.
Arrests will be coming in droves and will eventually
snare Trump with crimes. Probably a lot of crimes
such as money laundering for Putin's oligarchs and
so on.

And we're probably going to find out Trump's entire empire
was funded by German bank loans, but only because Putin
guaranteed all the loans. Hence Trump's total inability
to criticize Putin, out of fear Putin can bring him
down any time he likes since Putin has compromised
Trump in any number of ways.

I fear the worst for my country and the world in the
next year or so.



s

[tRudy Crayola]

On 10/30/2017 7:14 PM, Jonathan wrote:
> On 10/30/2017 8:47 AM, dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
>> the quote of stalin's major strategic mistake is very appropriate,
>> because the Roman Pontiff is now working on the Korean crisis.
>>
>> Last time this happened, all ends well for everyone...
>>
>> Best regards from Italy,
>> dott. Piergiorgio.
>
>
>
> Trump isn't rational, and as the collusion walls
> steadily close in around him, expect his behavior

<Blah! Blah! Blah! crap deleted>

You do know, Jonathon Ball, that one day you will shoot your mouth off
and be killed by the ricochet!


--
Rudy's Nut & Fruit farm- Sacramento

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <WriteI...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/30/2017 8:47 AM, dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
>> the quote of stalin's major strategic mistake is very appropriate,
>> because the Roman Pontiff is now working on the Korean crisis.
>>
>> Last time this happened, all ends well for everyone...
>>
>> Best regards from Italy,
>> dott. Piergiorgio.
>>
>
>Trump isn't rational, and as the collusion walls
>steadily close in around him, expect his behavior
>to becomes more unhinged.
>

The only person I see acting unhinged is you.

>
>Even to the point of
>starting a war to divert from his impending
>criminal problems.
>

You mean those non-existent "criminal problems"?

>
>Paul Manafort, Trump's first campaign chairman
>was just charged with I believe 11 felonies.
>

I corrected you on this once before. Paul Manafort was ****NOT****
Trump's first campaign chairman and was only associated with the Trump
campaign for a handful of months. Note that ****NONE**** of the
charges against Manafort have anything to do with Trump at all and
****ALL**** of them predate Manafort's association with the Trump
campaign.

>And Manafort was paid tens of millions of dollars
>to politically protect Putin's puppet in Ukraine
>Yanukovych.
>

Interesting enough, so was John Poedesta's brother.

>
>Ukraine is Putin's single most important geopolitical
>asset even greater than Syria. And Putin's oligarchs
>paid Manafort millions to protect that asset.
>
>That means Manafort was trusted by Putin and his
>inner circle of oligarchs with Putin's greatest
>asset.
>
>That means Paul Manafort was a part of Putin's
>inner circle, and Manafort was the FIRST PERSON
>Trump chose to be his right hand man.
>

It means no such thing. It means Paul Manafort was a paid lobbyist; a
hired gun. And again, Manafort was ****NOT**** "the FIRST PERSON
Trump chose to be his right hand man". As usual with you, you are
lying.

>
>I mean, this investigation is just getting started.
>

You've been using that excuse for half a year now. And after half a
year, all Mueller has managed is indictments for stuff THAT HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP OR THE RUSSIANS.

>
>Arrests will be coming in droves and will eventually
>snare Trump with crimes. Probably a lot of crimes
>such as money laundering for Putin's oligarchs and
>so on.
>

It's good to have dreams, Jonathan, but when you act as if they're
real they're called 'delusions'.

>
>And we're probably going to find out Trump's entire empire
>was funded by German bank loans, but only because Putin
>guaranteed all the loans. Hence Trump's total inability
>to criticize Putin, out of fear Putin can bring him
>down any time he likes since Putin has compromised
>Trump in any number of ways.
>

And monkeys might fly out your butt, but I'm not holding my breath
waiting for it. The truth just really isn't in you, is it?

>
>I fear the worst for my country and the world in the
>next year or so.
>

Well, at least you've gone from "the next week or two" to "the next
year or so". I guess that's progress the way that the Global Warming
folks made progress when they quit making near term predictions
because they kept failing. Just like yours keep failing. I fear the
worst, too, but I fear it because lunatics like you keep trying to
cripple the government.


--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

[Jonathan]

On 10/31/2017 12:29 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Jonathan <WriteI...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/30/2017 8:47 AM, dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
>>> the quote of stalin's major strategic mistake is very appropriate,
>>> because the Roman Pontiff is now working on the Korean crisis.
>>>
>>> Last time this happened, all ends well for everyone...
>>>
>>> Best regards from Italy,
>>> dott. Piergiorgio.
>>>
>>
>> Trump isn't rational, and as the collusion walls
>> steadily close in around him, expect his behavior
>> to becomes more unhinged.
>>
>
> The only person I see acting unhinged is you.
>
>>
>> Even to the point of
>> starting a war to divert from his impending
>> criminal problems.
>>
>
> You mean those non-existent "criminal problems"?
>
>>
>> Paul Manafort, Trump's first campaign chairman
>> was just charged with I believe 11 felonies.
>>
>
> I corrected you on this once before. Paul Manafort was ****NOT****
> Trump's first campaign chairman and was only associated with the Trump
> campaign for a handful of months.

Manafort took over once Trump won the nomination, when
it mattered.

Note that ****NONE**** of the
> charges against Manafort have anything to do with Trump at all and
> ****ALL**** of them predate Manafort's association with the Trump
> campaign.

>'


Well I guess we're supposed to believe Trump had no
idea Manafort was in Putin's pocket before he
chose him for campaign chairman, the most important
position of all to Trump at that time?

Sure, Trump didn't know Manafort was a Russian tool.
And I've got a bridge or two you might wanna buy Fred.

>> And Manafort was paid tens of millions of dollars
>> to politically protect Putin's puppet in Ukraine
>> Yanukovych.
>>
>
> Interesting enough, so was John Poedesta's brother.
>

And that forced him out, so it should for Trump too.

>>
>> Ukraine is Putin's single most important geopolitical
>> asset even greater than Syria. And Putin's oligarchs
>> paid Manafort millions to protect that asset.
>>
>> That means Manafort was trusted by Putin and his
>> inner circle of oligarchs with Putin's greatest
>> asset.
>>
>> That means Paul Manafort was a part of Putin's
>> inner circle, and Manafort was the FIRST PERSON
>> Trump chose to be his right hand man.
>>
>
> It means no such thing.

Of course it does Fred, do you think Putin would
have his oligarchs pay him a couple million a year
if Putin didn't trust Manafort to do Russia's bidding?

Ukraine is Putin's #1 geopolitical asset and Putin
isn't going to trust just anyone to protect
and promote Yanukovych.

Manafort was clearly part of Putin's trusted inner circle.
And it speaks volumes Trump would hand Manafort the
keys to his Presidential run.

It means Paul Manafort was a paid lobbyist; a
> hired gun. And again, Manafort was ****NOT**** "the FIRST PERSON
> Trump chose to be his right hand man". As usual with you, you are
> lying.
>
>>
>> I mean, this investigation is just getting started.
>>
>
> You've been using that excuse for half a year now. And after half a
> year, all Mueller has managed is indictments for stuff THAT HAS
> NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP OR THE RUSSIANS.
>

No collusion? Bullshit. Lewandowski and Manafort were
trying to set up meetings with Russians. And this is
just what is publicly known, you can bet money
more revelations will be pouring in just as they
have all summer. And the infamous Donald jr meeting
is clearly collusion.

Ya know Fred just because a bank robber finds the vault
empty doesn't mean he did nothing wrong. Trump tried and
tried to get dirt from Russia, just because the Russian's
didn't have much doesn't change that fact.



Report: Lewandowski Was Trump Official Papadopoulos
Emailed About Russia Trip

Former Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was the
“high-ranking campaign official” former campaign adviser George
Papadopoulos emailed about arranging a meeting between Trump and Russian
President Vladimir Putin, the Washington Post reported late Monday.

“Have been receiving a lot of calls over the last month about Putin
wanting to host him and the team when the time is right,” Papadopoulos
wrote in April 2016 to a person identified only as “a high-ranking
official of the Campaign” in court documents unsealed Monday.

The Washington Post reported, citing previously described emails that
Trump’s campaign handed over to congressional committees, that the
campaign official in question was Lewandowski.

Papadopoulos was arrested in July and pleaded guilty in October to lying
to the FBI. The case against him was unsealed Monday.

In May 2016, according to the court documents, Papadopoulos emailed
Lewandowski again to say the “Russian government” had “relayed” to him
“that they are interested in hosting Mr. Trump.”

Lewandowski in June 2016 referred Papadopoulos to “the campaign
supervisor,” according to court filings, a person Yahoo News identified
on Monday as Sam Clovis, who joined Trump’s campaign in August 2015 as a
co-chair and policy adviser. Clovis, a non-scientist and open skeptic of
climate change, is Trump’s pick to be the USDA’s chief scientist.

According to the court documents, Clovis in August 2016 told
Papadopoulos that he “would encourage” him to meet with Russian officials.

“Another high-ranking campaign official” named in the court documents
matches the description of Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair
who surrendered to the FBI on Monday.

According to court documents, Manafort forwarded Papadopoulos’ email
suggesting that Trump travel to Russia to “another campaign official.”

In an addendum to the email, Manafort suggested that “someone low
level,” rather than Trump himself, should travel to Russia “so as not to
send any signal.” According to the Washington Post, the other campaign
official Manafort sent the email to was Rick Gates, his business associate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_National_Convention

>>
>> Arrests will be coming in droves and will eventually
>> snare Trump with crimes. Probably a lot of crimes
>> such as money laundering for Putin's oligarchs and
>> so on.
>>
>
> It's good to have dreams, Jonathan, but when you act as if they're
> real they're called 'delusions'.
>
>>
>> And we're probably going to find out Trump's entire empire
>> was funded by German bank loans, but only because Putin
>> guaranteed all the loans. Hence Trump's total inability
>> to criticize Putin, out of fear Putin can bring him
>> down any time he likes since Putin has compromised
>> Trump in any number of ways.
>>
>
> And monkeys might fly out your butt, but I'm not holding my breath
> waiting for it. The truth just really isn't in you, is it?
>
>>
>> I fear the worst for my country and the world in the
>> next year or so.
>>
>
> Well, at least you've gone from "the next week or two" to "the next
> year or so". I guess that's progress the way that the Global Warming
> folks made progress when they quit making near term predictions
> because they kept failing. Just like yours keep failing. I fear the
> worst, too, but I fear it because lunatics like you keep trying to
> cripple the government.
>
>

Trump and his daily lies, his Russian crimes and his
'Make America White Again' are bringing American down.

Down to Trump's level, and Trump will resort to any lie
to save his own skin. Trump in his arrogance is going
to hang himself with his constant attempts to cover up
his colluding and god knows what else.


s

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <WriteI...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/31/2017 12:29 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> Jonathan <WriteI...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/30/2017 8:47 AM, dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
>>>> the quote of stalin's major strategic mistake is very appropriate,
>>>> because the Roman Pontiff is now working on the Korean crisis.
>>>>
>>>> Last time this happened, all ends well for everyone...
>>>>
>>>> Best regards from Italy,
>>>> dott. Piergiorgio.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Trump isn't rational, and as the collusion walls
>>> steadily close in around him, expect his behavior
>>> to becomes more unhinged.
>>>
>>
>> The only person I see acting unhinged is you.
>>
>>>
>>> Even to the point of
>>> starting a war to divert from his impending
>>> criminal problems.
>>>
>>
>> You mean those non-existent "criminal problems"?
>>
>>>
>>> Paul Manafort, Trump's first campaign chairman
>>> was just charged with I believe 11 felonies.
>>>
>>
>> I corrected you on this once before. Paul Manafort was ****NOT****
>> Trump's first campaign chairman and was only associated with the Trump
>> campaign for a handful of months.
>>
>
>Manafort took over once Trump won the nomination, when
>it mattered.
>

Well, no. Facts really don't matter a bit to you, do they? Well, at
least now you're admitting that your oft repeated lie that he was the
"first campaign chairman" is false. Manafort was hired in March of
2016 to manage the delegate mustering process for the campaign, so
obviously Trump did NOT have the nomination at that point. After a
bunch of political infighting between him and the campaign manager,
Manafort became the campaign manager in June of 2016. He was fired in
August when some of the things he's now been indicted for came to
light.

>
>>
>> Note that ****NONE**** of the
>> charges against Manafort have anything to do with Trump at all and
>> ****ALL**** of them predate Manafort's association with the Trump
>> campaign.
>>'
>
>Well I guess we're supposed to believe Trump had no
>idea Manafort was in Putin's pocket before he
>chose him for campaign chairman, the most important
>position of all to Trump at that time?
>
>Sure, Trump didn't know Manafort was a Russian tool.
>And I've got a bridge or two you might wanna buy Fred.
>

You're a lying twat. Manafort was FIRED because of those ties, not
hired because of them.

>
>>
>>>
>>> And Manafort was paid tens of millions of dollars
>>> to politically protect Putin's puppet in Ukraine
>>> Yanukovych.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting enough, so was John Poedesta's brother.
>>
>
>And that forced him out, so it should for Trump too.
>

Except Trump wasn't involved in it. Of course that doesn't matter to
you.

>
>>
>>>
>>> Ukraine is Putin's single most important geopolitical
>>> asset even greater than Syria. And Putin's oligarchs
>>> paid Manafort millions to protect that asset.
>>>
>>> That means Manafort was trusted by Putin and his
>>> inner circle of oligarchs with Putin's greatest
>>> asset.
>>>
>>> That means Paul Manafort was a part of Putin's
>>> inner circle, and Manafort was the FIRST PERSON
>>> Trump chose to be his right hand man.
>>>
>>
>> It means no such thing.
>>
>
>Of course it does Fred, do you think Putin would
>have his oligarchs pay him a couple million a year
>if Putin didn't trust Manafort to do Russia's bidding?
>

Of course Manafort would do what he was hired for. He was a PAID
LOBBYIST. They're guns for hire.

>
>Ukraine is Putin's #1 geopolitical asset and Putin
>isn't going to trust just anyone to protect
>and promote Yanukovych.
>
>Manafort was clearly part of Putin's trusted inner circle.
>And it speaks volumes Trump would hand Manafort the
>keys to his Presidential run.
>

You're delusional. Manafort was a hired gun.

>
>>
>> It means Paul Manafort was a paid lobbyist; a
>> hired gun. And again, Manafort was ****NOT**** "the FIRST PERSON
>> Trump chose to be his right hand man". As usual with you, you are
>> lying.
>>
>>>
>>> I mean, this investigation is just getting started.
>>>
>>
>> You've been using that excuse for half a year now. And after half a
>> year, all Mueller has managed is indictments for stuff THAT HAS
>> NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP OR THE RUSSIANS.
>>
>
>No collusion? Bullshit. Lewandowski and Manafort were
>trying to set up meetings with Russians. And this is
>just what is publicly known, you can bet money
>more revelations will be pouring in just as they
>have all summer. And the infamous Donald jr meeting
>is clearly collusion.
>

Of course they did. The Russians were offering 'dirt' on Hillary.
Trump didn't take the meetings. Hillary's people were apparently
offered the same deal with regard to Trump, did take the meeting, and
they and the DNC paid the middle man.

>
>Ya know Fred just because a bank robber finds the vault
>empty doesn't mean he did nothing wrong. Trump tried and
>tried to get dirt from Russia, just because the Russian's
>didn't have much doesn't change that fact.
>

You're delusional. And a liar.

>
>Report: Lewandowski Was Trump Official Papadopoulos
>Emailed About Russia Trip
>
>Former Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was the
>“high-ranking campaign official” former campaign adviser George
>Papadopoulos emailed about arranging a meeting between Trump and Russian
>President Vladimir Putin, the Washington Post reported late Monday.
>

Which meetings never happened.

>
>“Have been receiving a lot of calls over the last month about Putin
>wanting to host him and the team when the time is right,” Papadopoulos
>wrote in April 2016 to a person identified only as “a high-ranking
>official of the Campaign” in court documents unsealed Monday.
>
>The Washington Post reported, citing previously described emails that
>Trump’s campaign handed over to congressional committees, that the
>campaign official in question was Lewandowski.
>
>Papadopoulos was arrested in July and pleaded guilty in October to lying
>to the FBI. The case against him was unsealed Monday.
>
>In May 2016, according to the court documents, Papadopoulos emailed
>Lewandowski again to say the “Russian government” had “relayed” to him
>“that they are interested in hosting Mr. Trump.”
>
>Lewandowski in June 2016 referred Papadopoulos to “the campaign
>supervisor,” according to court filings, a person Yahoo News identified
>on Monday as Sam Clovis, who joined Trump’s campaign in August 2015 as a
>co-chair and policy adviser. Clovis, a non-scientist and open skeptic of
>climate change, is Trump’s pick to be the USDA’s chief scientist.
>
>According to the court documents, Clovis in August 2016 told
>Papadopoulos that he “would encourage” him to meet with Russian officials.
>

But he never did meet with them. You like to omit that tiny fact.

>
>“Another high-ranking campaign official” named in the court documents
>matches the description of Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair
>who surrendered to the FBI on Monday.
>
>According to court documents, Manafort forwarded Papadopoulos’ email
>suggesting that Trump travel to Russia to “another campaign official.”
>
>In an addendum to the email, Manafort suggested that “someone low
>level,” rather than Trump himself, should travel to Russia “so as not to
>send any signal.” According to the Washington Post, the other campaign
>official Manafort sent the email to was Rick Gates, his business associate.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_National_Convention
>

Nothing illegal there. Note that no one has been charged with "trying
to arrange a meeting with the Russians".

Well, they've certainly brought you and the rest of the TDS crowd down
to his level. Hell, given your constant lies you make him look
honest.

[Jonathan]

It was common knowledge Manafort was helping Putin's puppet
Yanukovych, even Trump isn't that stupid not to know Manafort
was in Putin's pocket big time when he hired him. That's
why Trump hired him, to ingratiate himself to Putin. Just
like all the other early hires were known to be pro-Russian
like Flynn, Stone, Carter Page.

Trump hired someone to run his campaign that is now under
$10 million dollar bail and facing the rest of his life
in jail.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868


s

[Fred J. McCall]

I hadn't realized you were the resident mind reader on the Trump
campaign. Trump hired him because he was a high powered lobbyist who
had worked on pretty much every Republican Presidential campaign
starting with Gerald Ford, so he knew all the local players all around
the country.

>
>Trump hired someone to run his campaign that is now under
>$10 million dollar bail and facing the rest of his life
>in jail.
>

All for stuff that happened prior to any association with the Trump
campaign and that Trump fired him for when it started to come out.

You really don't let reality intrude on your views, do you, Jonthy?


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine