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jonathan
Jul 10, 2012, 11:32:45 AM7/10/12
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Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
One of the main reasons is Iran needs Syria to funnel
weapons to Hamas in Lebanon, keeping Hamas in
power in Lebanon, and preventing a moderate democracy
from taking shape in the occupied territories.
If Assad falls, Iranian terrorism will suffer a huge setback.
And the Palestinians will have a chance at true independence
and long term peace with Israel. Plus help the cause of
democracy in Iran.
Assad leaving power could significantly improve
the prospects for a more peaceful and democratic
Middle East.
Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
terrorism, once and for all.
s
Bill
Jul 10, 2012, 11:51:17 AM7/10/12
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
Bringing in social workers?
>One of the main reasons is Iran needs Syria to funnel
>weapons to Hamas in Lebanon, keeping Hamas in
>power in Lebanon, and preventing a moderate democracy
>from taking shape in the occupied territories.
Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
>the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
>East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
>terrorism, once and for all.
Will that be the same EU that's sponsoring the 'Friends of Syria'
talks or some other EU we haven't heard of?
wrote:
>
>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
Bringing in social workers?
>One of the main reasons is Iran needs Syria to funnel
>weapons to Hamas in Lebanon, keeping Hamas in
>power in Lebanon, and preventing a moderate democracy
>from taking shape in the occupied territories.
>Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
>the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
>East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
>terrorism, once and for all.
talks or some other EU we haven't heard of?
jonathan
Jul 10, 2012, 3:53:20 PM7/10/12
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"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8njov75l0qs8e339t...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>
> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
Same thing the Iranians are doing, propping up a dictator
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>
> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
to prop up their own dictatorships.
>
> Bringing in social workers?
>
>>One of the main reasons is Iran needs Syria to funnel
>>weapons to Hamas in Lebanon, keeping Hamas in
>>power in Lebanon, and preventing a moderate democracy
>>from taking shape in the occupied territories.
>
> Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>
supported by Iran. It's hard to keep all the terrorists groups
Iran supports straight. There are so many~
But without Syria, Iran would have trouble supporting
either of them. Lebanon could have a better chance
at a stable democracy without Assad around.
The same goes for Abbas in the West Bank.
All those dominoes falling as a result of Assad leaving
could be a huge boost for ending the long running
tragedy of the Palestinians, and end the biggest
wedge between the west and Islam.
>>Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
>>the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
>>East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
>>terrorism, once and for all.
>
> Will that be the same EU that's sponsoring the 'Friends of Syria'
> talks or some other EU we haven't heard of?
But as much as it hurts, I must admit France stepped up by
organizing the conferences. And Britain is always a good
ally, I'm just saying that this issue needs a bit more action
to get the next round of UN sanctions through. There needs
to be organized pressure on Russia and China. If the world
does more than wave paper at Russia and China they
might not veto the upcoming sanctions. The whole issue is at a
tipping point right now, a little more assertiveness might
be enough to finish off Assad once and for all.
s
Bill
Jul 10, 2012, 6:29:49 PM7/10/12
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:53:20 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8njov75l0qs8e339t...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>>
>> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
>
>
>Same thing the Iranians are doing, propping up a dictator
>to prop up their own dictatorships.
So Iran isn't supplying 'everything Assad needs'
>> Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>>
>
>
>I meant Hezbollah, oops. Hamas and Hezbollah are both
>supported by Iran.
Hexbollah isn't in power in the Lebanon either.
It holds only 12 seats in the 'March 8 Alliance' group that is
currently in power. The majority of seats in that group are held by
Christian or secular parties.
>>>Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
>>>the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
>>>East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
>>>terrorism, once and for all.
>>
>> Will that be the same EU that's sponsoring the 'Friends of Syria'
>> talks or some other EU we haven't heard of?
>
>
>So far the conferences have only made nice speeches.
>But as much as it hurts, I must admit France stepped up by
>organizing the conferences. And Britain is always a good
>ally, I'm just saying that this issue needs a bit more action
>to get the next round of UN sanctions through.
How about the USA doing something other than talking?
wrote:
>
>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8njov75l0qs8e339t...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>>
>> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
>
>
>Same thing the Iranians are doing, propping up a dictator
>to prop up their own dictatorships.
>> Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>>
>
>
>I meant Hezbollah, oops. Hamas and Hezbollah are both
>supported by Iran.
It holds only 12 seats in the 'March 8 Alliance' group that is
currently in power. The majority of seats in that group are held by
Christian or secular parties.
>>>Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
>>>the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
>>>East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
>>>terrorism, once and for all.
>>
>> Will that be the same EU that's sponsoring the 'Friends of Syria'
>> talks or some other EU we haven't heard of?
>
>
>So far the conferences have only made nice speeches.
>But as much as it hurts, I must admit France stepped up by
>organizing the conferences. And Britain is always a good
>ally, I'm just saying that this issue needs a bit more action
>to get the next round of UN sanctions through.
jonathan
Jul 10, 2012, 7:02:22 PM7/10/12
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news:krapv79m7jlpjbcko...@4ax.com...
Shouldn't there be a period at the end of your sentence?
>
>
>>> Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I meant Hezbollah, oops. Hamas and Hezbollah are both
>>supported by Iran.
>
> Hexbollah isn't in power in the Lebanon either.
>
> It holds only 12 seats in the 'March 8 Alliance' group that is
> currently in power. The majority of seats in that group are held by
> Christian or secular parties.
Well, since any politician that crosses Hezbollah mysteriously
gets assassinated, I'd say they have a pretty good grip on power.
Nit pick with the New York Times...
In Lebanon, New Cabinet Is Influenced by Hezbollah
By NADA BAKRI
Published: June 13, 2011
"Lebanon's new prime minister, Najib Mikati, announced
on Monday a long-delayed government dominated by
members and allies of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, a
move likely to alarm Western powers. Mr. Mikati was
appointed in January after Hezbollah and its allies toppled
the Western-backed government of Saad Hariri
in a dispute over the investigation of the killing of
Mr. Hariri's father, Rafik, a billionaire and former
prime minister."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/world/middleeast/14lebanon.html
Care to run for office on a plank against Hezbollah?
If so I'd advise walking to work.
>
>>>>Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
>>>>the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
>>>>East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
>>>>terrorism, once and for all.
>>>
>>> Will that be the same EU that's sponsoring the 'Friends of Syria'
>>> talks or some other EU we haven't heard of?
>>
>>
>>So far the conferences have only made nice speeches.
>>But as much as it hurts, I must admit France stepped up by
>>organizing the conferences. And Britain is always a good
>>ally, I'm just saying that this issue needs a bit more action
>>to get the next round of UN sanctions through.
>
> How about the USA doing something other than talking?
The US and Canada favor stronger new sanctions that
would impose a no-fly zone and authorize direct military
options. The EU is the one that wants to only wave paper
at the problem.
Jonathan
s
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:53:20 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:8njov75l0qs8e339t...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>>>
>>> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
>>
>>
>>Same thing the Iranians are doing, propping up a dictator
>>to prop up their own dictatorships.
>
> So Iran isn't supplying 'everything Assad needs'
Well ya got me there Mr. nit-picker.
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:8njov75l0qs8e339t...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>>>
>>> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
>>
>>
>>Same thing the Iranians are doing, propping up a dictator
>>to prop up their own dictatorships.
>
> So Iran isn't supplying 'everything Assad needs'
Shouldn't there be a period at the end of your sentence?
>
>
>>> Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I meant Hezbollah, oops. Hamas and Hezbollah are both
>>supported by Iran.
>
> Hexbollah isn't in power in the Lebanon either.
>
> It holds only 12 seats in the 'March 8 Alliance' group that is
> currently in power. The majority of seats in that group are held by
> Christian or secular parties.
gets assassinated, I'd say they have a pretty good grip on power.
Nit pick with the New York Times...
In Lebanon, New Cabinet Is Influenced by Hezbollah
By NADA BAKRI
Published: June 13, 2011
"Lebanon's new prime minister, Najib Mikati, announced
on Monday a long-delayed government dominated by
members and allies of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, a
move likely to alarm Western powers. Mr. Mikati was
appointed in January after Hezbollah and its allies toppled
the Western-backed government of Saad Hariri
in a dispute over the investigation of the killing of
Mr. Hariri's father, Rafik, a billionaire and former
prime minister."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/world/middleeast/14lebanon.html
Care to run for office on a plank against Hezbollah?
If so I'd advise walking to work.
>
>>>>Iran, Russia, China and a lack of involvement by
>>>>the EU have become the roadblocks for Middle
>>>>East peace, and for an eventual end of state sponsored
>>>>terrorism, once and for all.
>>>
>>> Will that be the same EU that's sponsoring the 'Friends of Syria'
>>> talks or some other EU we haven't heard of?
>>
>>
>>So far the conferences have only made nice speeches.
>>But as much as it hurts, I must admit France stepped up by
>>organizing the conferences. And Britain is always a good
>>ally, I'm just saying that this issue needs a bit more action
>>to get the next round of UN sanctions through.
>
> How about the USA doing something other than talking?
would impose a no-fly zone and authorize direct military
options. The EU is the one that wants to only wave paper
at the problem.
Jonathan
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Bill
Jul 10, 2012, 7:33:06 PM7/10/12
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:02:22 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
manage.
But if you think Russian arms are irrelevant you're not actually
watching.
>>>> Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I meant Hezbollah, oops. Hamas and Hezbollah are both
>>>supported by Iran.
>>
>> Hexbollah isn't in power in the Lebanon either.
>>
>> It holds only 12 seats in the 'March 8 Alliance' group that is
>> currently in power. The majority of seats in that group are held by
>> Christian or secular parties.
>
>
>Well, since any politician that crosses Hezbollah mysteriously
>gets assassinated,
Bollocks.
>> How about the USA doing something other than talking?
>
>
>The US and Canada favor stronger new sanctions that
>would impose a no-fly zone and authorize direct military
>options. The EU is the one that wants to only wave paper
>at the problem.
>
Liar.
France already has boots on the ground.
wrote:
>
>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:krapv79m7jlpjbcko...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:53:20 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8njov75l0qs8e339t...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>>>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>>>>
>>>> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
>>>
>>>
>>>Same thing the Iranians are doing, propping up a dictator
>>>to prop up their own dictatorships.
>>
>> So Iran isn't supplying 'everything Assad needs'
>
>
>Well ya got me there Mr. nit-picker.
>Shouldn't there be a period at the end of your sentence?
Not necessary, we're communicating on a level you seem to be able to
>
>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:krapv79m7jlpjbcko...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:53:20 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8njov75l0qs8e339t...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:32:45 -0400, "jonathan" <mat...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Iran is supplying Syria with all the military equipment
>>>>>and advisors it needs hoping Assad will stay in power.
>>>>
>>>> So what are all those Russian war ships doing there?
>>>
>>>
>>>Same thing the Iranians are doing, propping up a dictator
>>>to prop up their own dictatorships.
>>
>> So Iran isn't supplying 'everything Assad needs'
>
>
>Well ya got me there Mr. nit-picker.
>Shouldn't there be a period at the end of your sentence?
manage.
But if you think Russian arms are irrelevant you're not actually
watching.
>>>> Hamas isn't in power in the Lebanon.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I meant Hezbollah, oops. Hamas and Hezbollah are both
>>>supported by Iran.
>>
>> Hexbollah isn't in power in the Lebanon either.
>>
>> It holds only 12 seats in the 'March 8 Alliance' group that is
>> currently in power. The majority of seats in that group are held by
>> Christian or secular parties.
>
>
>Well, since any politician that crosses Hezbollah mysteriously
>gets assassinated,
>> How about the USA doing something other than talking?
>
>
>The US and Canada favor stronger new sanctions that
>would impose a no-fly zone and authorize direct military
>options. The EU is the one that wants to only wave paper
>at the problem.
>
France already has boots on the ground.
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Mark Borgerson
Jul 12, 2012, 12:01:06 AM7/12/12
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In article <ojmqv7lqv18nf39i5...@4ax.com>,
fjmc...@gmail.com says...
>
> Jesus, what planet do you live on?
>
<<SNIP>>
Don't feed the trolls, Fred. I've been around long enough to recognize
your style and viewpoint. While I may not agree with you, I do accept
your right to express your opinion---which you do in a reasonably
consistent fashion. Responding to people like this isn't helpful.
Save your irritation for people like me who may have different opinions,
but base their post on something other than total bullshit.
Mark Borgerson
fjmc...@gmail.com says...
>
> Jesus, what planet do you live on?
>
<<SNIP>>
Don't feed the trolls, Fred. I've been around long enough to recognize
your style and viewpoint. While I may not agree with you, I do accept
your right to express your opinion---which you do in a reasonably
consistent fashion. Responding to people like this isn't helpful.
Save your irritation for people like me who may have different opinions,
but base their post on something other than total bullshit.
Mark Borgerson
jonathan
Jul 12, 2012, 12:13:22 AM7/12/12
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"Mark Borgerson" <mborg...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.2a67ebdf5...@news.eternal-september.org...
Trolling is a mean-spirited attempt to make a
fool out of someone, generally setting some kind
of logical trap for someone to fall into, to embarass
them in front of everyone. At least know the
meaning of the words you toss around.
What's mean-spirited or trollish about wanting to see
democracy spread?
Jonathan
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> Mark Borgerson
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>
>
Mark Borgerson
Jul 12, 2012, 1:15:48 AM7/12/12
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In article <e7CdnaKLy7WG0mPS...@giganews.com>,
mat...@gmail.com says...
I'm sorry. I think I drifted off the plot there. I was confusing your
response with another that was much less on the point. I guess I just
don't track the threads as well as I did when I was in my early 60's!
Mark Borgerson
mat...@gmail.com says...
response with another that was much less on the point. I guess I just
don't track the threads as well as I did when I was in my early 60's!
Mark Borgerson
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jonathan
Jul 12, 2012, 7:57:42 PM7/12/12
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No problem. And as far as Fred, he holds to the old
saying that if you don't have something negative to say
don't say anything at all~
>
> Mark Borgerson
>
saying that if you don't have something negative to say
don't say anything at all~
>
> Mark Borgerson
>
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jonathan
Jul 13, 2012, 2:35:27 AM7/13/12
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"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> twat. Until you do, the truth is going to continue to bother you.
Since you're flaming me for supporting democracy, it's pretty
obvious where your loyalites lie. I didn't realize you were
so anti-American. But it's a free country, you can be
as unpatriotic as you like.
>
> --
> "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
> only stupid."
> -- Heinrich Heine
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