Shooter at Ft Hood survived
Ray O'Hara
kangarooistan
> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Muslims should rise up'
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead
at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans
in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said
last night.
By Philip Sherwell in New York
Published: 1:41AM GMT 06 Nov 2009
Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military
base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and
other officers after he expressed his views.
Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the
end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and
insults because of his Arab background and his faith.
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The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning
from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse
problems.
"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and
claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col
Lee told Fox News.
"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we
should not be in the war in the first place."
He said he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling"
during heated arguments with other officers.
Maj Hasan's cousin Nader Husan said he was happy working for the
military but did dread deployment to Iraq.
Mr Hasan said his cousin was a US-born Muslim who had joined the
military after high school.
He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical
Center in Washington DC, which treats many badly wounded troops.
"He was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed dealing with the people coming
back and ... trying to help them with their trauma," he said.
He said his cousin had been transferred to Fort Hood in April months
ago and was very reluctant to be deployed to Iraq. "We've known over
the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.
Published: November 5, 2009
Updated: 23 min. ago
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seriously, and the Air Force is committed to protecting all service
members, their families, civilian employees and anyone else that works
or visits MacDill AFB," Col. Larry Martin, 6th Air Mobility Wing
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Fort Hood shootings not first brush with tragedy
05:20 PM CST on Thursday, November 5, 2009
From staff reports
Killeen was the site of one of the nation's most deadly mass shootings
on Oct. 16, 1991. On that day, George Hennard, 35, slammed his truck
through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen.
Yelling, "This is what Bell County did to me," he got out of his truck
and began shooting diners. Within 10 minutes, he had killed 23 people
and wounded more than 20 before committing suicide.
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Google map: Area where shootings reportedly occurred
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Link: Fort Hood facts
Witnesses said the killer strolled through the cafeteria, randomly
selecting victims.
No motive was ever established.
Reportedly a racist and a misogynist, he wrote to a friend in early
1991: "Please give me the satisfaction of one day laughing in the face
of all those mostly white treacherous female vipers." After graduating
from high school, he joined the Navy, then later transferred to the
Merchant Marine,
Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001)
was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted
of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19,
1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge or to
inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal
government.
The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism
within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.[2]
Military career
In May 1988, McVeigh enlisted in the U.S. Army.[17] He had little
interest in the bar scene, preferring to use his spare time to read
about guns, sniper tactics, or explosives.[18] He once ordered a
"White Power" T-shirt from the KKK in protest against black servicemen
who wore "Black Power" T-shirts around his army camp [19], but was
reprimanded.
He was a decorated veteran of the United States Army, having served in
the Gulf War, where he was awarded a Bronze Star. He had been a top-
scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles
used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned. He
served at Fort Riley, Kansas, before Operation Desert Storm. At Fort
Riley, McVeigh completed the Primary Leadership Development Course
(PLDC). McVeigh later would say that the Army taught him how to switch
off his emotions.[6] He had special lifesaving training and may have
saved the life of a comrade who had life-threatening shrapnel wounds.
[20]
McVeigh wanted to join the United States Army Special Forces. After
returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program for
United States Army Special Forces to become a SF soldier , but was
quickly dropped from the program after failing to meet the physical
fitness requirements. Shortly thereafter, McVeigh decided to leave the
Army. He was discharged on December 31, 1991.[21] McVeigh was given an
honorable discharge from the Army Reserve in May 1992.
He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and
executed on June 11, 2001.
Andrew Swallow
> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
>
>
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow
Ray O'Hara
"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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and then execute him.
Andrew Swallow
next 10 - 20 years the FBI is going to end up with photographs
of a lot of people it will have to keep an eye on.
Look out for ring leaders near the trouble spots but who do not
actually riot themselves.
Andrew Swallow
a425couple
> "Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote ...
>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word
that came out, or if it really shows something of your
thought process?
(Admitting, after more thought, I often wish I'd used
a different choice of words then I typed out.)
>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
>> trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
>
> and then execute him.
Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an
'execution' never happens.
When is the last time the military, or even any part
of the federal government conducted one?
Is it even authorized anymore?
Ray O'Hara
"a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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they knew he was alive yet let hours go by with reports saying he's dead
and the Military still has the death penalty and killing 12 and wounding 31
because yoou don't want to go overseas, don't agree with the war and were
reprimanded for posting postive things on the "interwebs" about suicide
bombers will earn it for you.
David E. Powell
> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
Treason is still a capital offense.
Matt Wiser
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:v3e7f5d5a7nnu83eg...@4ax.com...
> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :"Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
> :> "Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote ...
> :>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
> :>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
> :
> :"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word
> :that came out, or if it really shows something of your
> :thought process?
> :(Admitting, after more thought, I often wish I'd used
> :a different choice of words then I typed out.)
>
> We're talking about Ray O'Hara. Are you surprised that that is the
> phrasing that would occur to him?
>
> :>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
> :>> trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
> :>
> :> and then execute him.
> :
> :Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an
> :'execution' never happens.
>
> No bet.
>
> :
> :When is the last time the military, or even any part
> :of the federal government conducted one?
>
> Last federal execution was in 2003 (Jones, Louis - Lethal Injection -
> Kidnapping Within Special Maritime/Territorial Jurisdiction Resulting
> in Death - 3/18/03 - USP Terre Haute, IN).
>
> Last military execution was in 1961 (Bennett, John A. - 8 Feb. 1955 -
> 13 Apr. 1961 - Rape, Attempted Murder (Premeditated)).
>
> :
> :Is it even authorized anymore?
> :
>
> Yes.
>
> There are currently nine prisoners on military death row, the latest
> having been sentenced in 2005.
>
> --
If this guy survives, it'll be ten.
Alexander
Gitmo first!
>
>
American Eagle
The American public will demand vengeance. An Execution will be a
political necessity. I wonder where he can find a Jew Lawyer?
Alexander
As an Officer, he had the right to resign. What he did is unacceptable
and will be punished harshly. If it isn't, there will be more incidents
from others of like mind. It would be a good idea to start sorting these
mindsets out now. Before we have a lot of Fraggings take place.
>
>
Ray O'Hara
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :"a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> What does that have to do with your reflexive use of the word
> "admitted"?
read what I wrote,
they knew he was alive, they had him. yet it wasn't until after 9pm they
admitted the truth.
Ray O'Hara
"Alexander" <Alex...@thegreat.org> wrote in message
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he'll be lucky to get life.
Ray O'Hara
> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :"Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
> :> "Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote ...
> :>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
> :>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
> :
> :"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word
> :that came out, or if it really shows something of your
> :thought process?
> :(Admitting, after more thought, I often wish I'd used
> :a different choice of words then I typed out.)
>
> We're talking about Ray O'Hara. Are you surprised that that is the
> phrasing that would occur to him?
>
explain your objection to the word admitted?
{this should be funny}
Ray O'Hara
"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote in message
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murdering 12 people amd wounding 31 is enough of a crime..
scott s.
news:7lhuqvF...@mid.individual.net:
AFAIK, you never have the right to resign. You can submit a letter
requesting resignation, but it doesn't have to be accepted.
In his (and many others) case, he appears to have received
government funded education, for which he agreed to serve for a
term of years, so any such letter of resignation would not be
accepted.
scott s.
.
Richard Casady
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an
>'execution' never happens.
>When is the last time the military, or even any part
>of the federal government conducted one?
>Is it even authorized anymore?
Last I heard, the Feds were building their very own death facility.
Until now, they had been having states do the deeds. In 1962 Iowa had
its last execution, a Federal hanging of a kidnapper who killed the
victim. The next to die, Federally, was Tim McVeigh, the bomber. There
was the soldier who hosed a group of other soldiers with an M-16. He
got the sentence, but I don't know if they have killed him yet.
Casady
Jack Linthicum
> >news:hd0ap...@news6.newsguy.com...
> >> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
> >>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote ...
> >>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
> >>>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
> >> "admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word that came out,
> >> or if it really shows something of your thought process? (Admitting, after
> >> more thought, I often wish I'd used a different choice of words then I
> >> typed out.)
> >>>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
> >>>> trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
> >>> and then execute him.
> >> Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an 'execution' never
> >> happens. When is the last time the military, or even any part of the
> >> federal government conducted one? Is it even authorized anymore?
>
> > they knew he was alive yet let hours go by with reports saying he's dead
> > and the Military still has the death penalty and killing 12 and wounding 31
> > because yoou don't want to go overseas, don't agree with the war and were
> > reprimanded for posting postive things on the "interwebs" about suicide
> > bombers will earn it for you.
>
> As an Officer, he had the right to resign. What he did is unacceptable
> and will be punished harshly. If it isn't, there will be more incidents
> from others of like mind. It would be a good idea to start sorting these
> mindsets out now. Before we have a lot of Fraggings take place.
>
>
>
>
It would seem that he owes a lot of service time for his various
degrees, paid for by the U.S. Army.
The Army probably delayed saying he was alive to determine whether his
act was part of a wider plot. Osama bin Ladin had recently broadcast
the desire to have Americans rise up and perform the sort of terrorist
acts the al Qaeda wanted.
William Black
So.
As always you can be relied on to produce something deeply offensive to
everyone concerned.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
Richard Casady
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> The American public will demand vengeance. An Execution will be a
>> political necessity. I wonder where he can find a Jew Lawyer?
>
>So.
>
>As always you can be relied on to produce something deeply offensive to
>everyone concerned.
What do you expect from someone who posts with a name like that?
To digress somewhat, why should the US get the eagle, while Canada
gets those vermin, Canada geese? Hardly seems fair.
Casady
Ray O'Hara
>
> I read what you wrote. It demonstrates that you are a fuckwit.
>
> Were they trying to conceal that he was alive? If you claim so,
> provide the proof. If not, then you're a fuckwit.
>
I didn't think you could provide an answer.
they knew he was alive yet they didn't re;ease that info.
they were upfront on the victims, shitstain
Jack Linthicum
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:59 +0000, William Black
>
> >> The American public will demand vengeance. An Execution will be a
> >> political necessity. I wonder where he can find a Jew Lawyer?
>
> >So.
>
> >As always you can be relied on to produce something deeply offensive to
> >everyone concerned.
>
> What do you expect from someone who posts with a name like that?
>
> To digress somewhat, why should the US get the eagle, while Canada
> gets those vermin, Canada geese? Hardly seems fair.
>
> Casady
Have you ever eaten both or either of those birds properly prepared?
http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=35200707001
http://homecooking.about.com/od/gooseandduckrecipes/r/blgoose5.htm
Ray O'Hara
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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and it seems they got their wish.
Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
Ray O'Hara
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Were they trying to claim something else and then 'admitted' the
> truth? No.
>
> You're a fuckwit, Ray.
it seems they were.
all info was coming from the Army. first they said he was dead, then a good
6+ hours later "he's alive and in stable condition"
Richard
> :
> : explain your objection to the word admitted?
> :{this should be funny}
> :
>
> Were they trying to claim something else and then 'admitted' the
> truth? No.
Can you prove that "no"? Fact, they had him in custody for 7 hours
and knew he was alive and knew reports were going out (false ones)
that reported the shooter dead. So why the delay on the correction?
>
> You're a fuckwit, Ray.
And you resort to ad hominems.
What does that say about you?
Richard
> a425couple wrote:
Maybe they'll settle for a troll and give you a call, eh Moonbeam?
William Black
> Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
Where's 'over there' this time?
Richard Casady
Properly prepared so often means: capable of sustaining life in a
starvation situation. Eagles eat fish. As for geese I have heard
nothing good about them. Too greasy some say, but I havn't tried it.
You want good tasting bird, ringneck pheasant, quail,[dove if you have
your own ammo factory]. Turkey is good. We have 19 ornamental ducks
that we don't plan to eat. They look like mallards, but triple the
mass.
Casady
William Black
As for geese I have heard
> nothing good about them. Too greasy some say, but I havn't tried it.
If it's too greasy it hasn't been cooked properly.
Goose is available at most UK meat outlets or you can buy direct from
the farmers at Christmas time.
a425couple
- richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady) wrote:
-> William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> To digress somewhat, why should the US get the eagle, while Canada
> gets those vermin, Canada geese? Hardly seems fair. Casady
-Have you ever eaten both or either of those birds properly prepared?
http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=35200707001
Cool find!
As they tore the check in half, , his promising future faded!
"The following recipe is from Tastes Like Bald Chicken, � Larry Elliot 2007,
published by Regnery Publishing.
Badly Bruised Eagle and Apple Stew
1 eagle, plucked, with tire tracks or buckshot removed ---
Pound eagle liberally with a rock, stick or hammer until the meat
takes on an extraordinary rendition look. Chop the vegetables ---
Cook -- for 2-3 hours, or until eagle meat can be easily pulled from the
bones.
Serve with day-old bread."
I'm wishing I could properly remember the old joke, , ,
Something about the new LEO / Fish & Game / whatever,
talking to the old coot asking if he knew of anyone
who had been shooting at protected eagles,
and the old coot kept shaking his head "no" while he
kept picking his teeth with something that looked
like a chicken bone.
Ray O'Hara
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Since YOU were the one asked the question, YOU are the one that needs
> to provide an answer. And of course you fail to do so.
>
> :
> :they knew he was alive yet they didn't re;ease that info.
> :they were upfront on the victims, shitstain
>
> That's because the status of the victims wasn't going to change.
> Having been shot four times, put on a ventilator, and remaining
> unconscious, what is so sinister about waiting until he's stable and
> you know he's not going to die to say he's alive?
>
> Still dodging the question, Ray. One more time: DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT
> THEY WERE TRYING TO CONCEAL THAT HE WAS ALIVE? IF YOU CLAIM SO,
> PROVIDE THE PROOF. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, THEN YOU'RE A FUCKWIT.
>
> You catching on here, Ray? You're obviously unable to answer a simple
> question, so I guess we can consider that you've agreed that you're a
> fuckwit.
they did conceal he was alive, they concealed it for 8 hours.
it wasn't as if they didn't know he was in their care/custody.
Ray O'Hara
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hd1bp9$5rm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>
>
>> Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
>
>
> Where's 'over there' this time?
>
even you should be able to figure that out Bill.
William Black
Well no.
The last time they were dancing in the streets 'over there', the place
designated as 'over there' had little or no connection with US forces.
Richard
> Richard <the.sar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :> :
> :> : explain your objection to the word admitted?
> :> :{this should be funny}
> :> :
> :>
> :> Were they trying to claim something else and then 'admitted' the
> :> truth? No.
> :
> :Can you prove that "no"? Fact, they had him in custody for 7 hours
> :and knew he was alive and knew reports were going out (false ones)
> :that reported the shooter dead. So why the delay on the correction?
>
> Perhaps because it's not their job to 'correct' the story and they
> might have wanted to know if he was actually going to live before they
> said he was going to live.
>
> :>
> :> You're a fuckwit, Ray.
> :
> :And you resort to ad hominems.
>
> It's not an 'ad hominem' when it's true, Ray.
>
I'm not Ray you blind fool.
> :
> :What does that say about you?
> :
>
> It says you're a fuckwit.
Bwahahaha. From you who can't even read headers.
You're cute, I'll make a garden ornament out of you!
Put you next to the other cracked pots.
>
> --
> "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
> only stupid."
> -- Heinrich Heine
David E. Powell
> Alexander <Alexan...@thegreat.org> wrote innews:7lhuqvF...@mid.individual.net:
There's also Conscientious Objector status, or just not re-enlisting.
If he were so upset over the last few years he would have had
opportunity to take his degree and go into private practice.
He probably wouldn't have had a combat post anyway, he was support and
treatment, most likely for people dealing with PTSD. (What brainiac
wanted him in charge of that?)
Jack Linthicum
Same guys who paid him for college and a medical degree and more
without getting anything back.
David E. Powell
> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> :> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> :>
> :>news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7X...@bt.com...
> :>
> :> > Ray O'Hara wrote:
> :> >> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
> :>
> :> > trial. A BIG MESS.
> :>
> :> > Andrew Swallow
> :>
> :> and then execute him.
> :
> :
>
> It would probably be virtually impossible to 'prove' treason under the
> US rules. What's the treasonable act? Multiple Murder With Special
> Circumstances also carries a death penalty and is much easier to
> convict on.
I recall you need two witnesses to prove it, and that surely exists
plus plenty of other evidence. Swearing the oath and then shooting
fellow service members in a hospital certainly qualifies.
Though the murder charge was used the last time I can remember
something like this happen, the Army guy who shot fellow soldiers in
Saudi Arabia before the kickoff of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
> territory."
> --G. Behn
David E. Powell
There is a certain story line coming out in news reports where people
said he felt discriminated against. Full college and graduate study
from the Army and a fast track to major doesn't sound like an official
policy of discrimination.
I am sure there is going to be one heck of an investigation into this
guy's background and what went down with his career up to this point,
as it sounds like the red flags were there.
William Black
How much does a psychiatrist in private practice earn in the USA?
Especially if he's a member of a community that sees itself as
persecuted and wants one of their own to do the head shrinking...
I can't see the financial thing being relevant.
Jeffrey Hamilton
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:59 +0000, William Black
> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> The American public will demand vengeance. An Execution will be a
>>> political necessity. I wonder where he can find a Jew Lawyer?
>>
>> So.
>>
>> As always you can be relied on to produce something deeply offensive
>> to everyone concerned.
>
> What do you expect from someone who posts with a name like that?
>
> gets those vermin, Canada geese? Hardly seems fair.
>
> Casady
Which tastes better ?
cheers.....Jeff
Alexander
> On Nov 6, 5:27 am, "scott s." <75270_37...@csi.xcom> wrote:
>> Alexander <Alexan...@thegreat.org> wrote innews:7lhuqvF...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> As an Officer, he had the right to resign.
>> AFAIK, you never have the right to resign. You can submit a letter
>> requesting resignation, but it doesn't have to be accepted.
>> In his (and many others) case, he appears to have received
>> government funded education, for which he agreed to serve for a
>> term of years, so any such letter of resignation would not be
>> accepted.
>>
>> scott s.
Scott... As a commissioned officer you *can* immediately resign within
the confines of the USA. It is not considered an honorable resignation
and you are on administrative hold for a period of time to ascertain
that the resignation is not to avoid criminal prosecution. You may check
JAG and Laws that date back to the revolution and civil wars. I agree on
the Objector status etc. This case will have to be handled with kid
gloves to set an example and yet not upset the Muslim/American soldiers.
The American public will not abide a lenient punishment. It gonna be
touchy. Would have been better if the shooter had not survived.
Hermann
>
> :
> :Though the murder charge was used the last time I can remember
> :something like this happen, the Army guy who shot fellow soldiers in
> :Saudi Arabia before the kickoff of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
> :
>
> Shooting your own mates doesn't rise to the level of treason.
But even you have to admit, it is in bad taste.
>
>
Andrew Swallow
> "David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> :On Nov 5, 10:43 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> :>
> :> news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7X...@bt.com...
> :>
> :> > Ray O'Hara wrote:
> :> >> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
> :>
> :> > Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
> :> > trial. A BIG MESS.
> :>
> :> > Andrew Swallow
> :>
> :> and then execute him.
> :
> :Treason is still a capital offense.
> :
>
> It would probably be virtually impossible to 'prove' treason under the
> US rules. What's the treasonable act? Multiple Murder With Special
> Circumstances also carries a death penalty and is much easier to
> convict on.
>
Lets look at the US definition of Treason
<http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
[quote]
Article III
Section. 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but
no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture
except during the Life of the Person attainted.
[/quote]
As of when was deliberately shooting soldiers not considered "levying War"?
A Treason charge really depends on whether someone put him up to it.
The suicide bomber (shooter) who does the killing dies whilst the
mullah who organised it escapes would be standard Al Qaeda procedure.
The mullah would also have committed Treason and accessory to murder.
One thing worth checking. Do any of the local mosques have literature
advocating using violence to replace democracy in the USA? Since this
is unconstitutional it sounds like an "Un-American Activity" (read
the old act). You will probably need to send an Arabic speaker. If
you find anything an anonymous phone call to the FBI telling them
where to look can achieve results.
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
>>> trial. A BIG MESS.
>>>
>>> Andrew Swallow
>>
>> and then execute him.
>
Gitmo is for crimes committed outside the USA by non-US citizens.
The interrogators will have to permit him to give up his right
to silence in the jail house.
Andrew Swallow
Alan Lothian
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> EVEN I? Fuck you very much, dipshit.
Ah, such ill temper. I must say I can sympathize, though. I doubt I'd
even have troubled to respond to someone who can't spell Scheisse right
in his nymskull address.
My sympathies lie instinctively with the victims of this poor, sad,
sorry murderous buffoon, and their families.
The situation is also such as to permit me an exception to my liberal,
tolerant views on No Death Penalty In Ordinary Civil Society.
Not ordinary, not civil. I see no reason why the minute he's off a
ventilator he can't be tied to a post and shot. A trial to establish
the facts of the case -- one has to insist on that, as Fred will
certainly agree -- shouldn't take more than half an hour.
Oh, let him have a few minutes with the Mad Mullah of his choice. I'd
even offer him a cigarette and (haram, haram) a glass of rough whiskey.
That's me coming all over liberal and tolerant again, just can't help
it.
The thing about Islamicist martyrs is that there aren't nearly enough
of them. Sadly, you Americans, a great people whom I have always
admired, are likely to let the aforementioned sad, sorry murderous
buffoon linger on military death row for years. Not the way to do
things, if you ask me.
Dawn. (None of this midnight lethal injection rubbish.) Blindfold.
(Compulsory: it's for the firing squad, not the murderous buffoon.) No
speeches.
Et voila! as they say in my new country. Le peloton d'execution can
have the whiskey refused by the martyr.
I suppose you could just hang him, but you are out of practice and
there's something to be said for a proper military finale.
--
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun
If you wish to email me, try putting a dot between alan and lothian.
Blueyonder is a thing of the past.
frank
> Alexander wrote:
> > Ray O'Hara wrote:
> >>news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7X...@bt.com...
> >>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
> >>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
>
> >>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
> >>> trial. A BIG MESS.
>
> >>> Andrew Swallow
>
> >> and then execute him.
>
> > Gitmo first!
>
> Gitmo is for crimes committed outside the USA by non-US citizens.
> The interrogators will have to permit him to give up his right
> to silence in the jail house.
>
> Andrew Swallow
US citizens have been sent there.
In any case, this guy ain't going loose any time soon. IF he doesn't
get the death penalty, he'll never get out.
I can't recall the last treason trial, usually easier to try and
convict on a lot of other charges.
There were some legal arguments that Jane Fonda fit the treason
statute, there was at least one self published legal tract promoting
that.
He's in for some hard Federal time. Only way he could try to save his
skin would be an insanity plea and there are Federal facilities for
that also.
Heard he's stable and on a ventilator. Probably in some sort of
induced coma. Guy may not even make it out of the hospital.
William Black
> My sympathies lie instinctively with the victims of this poor, sad,
> sorry murderous buffoon, and their families.
>
> The situation is also such as to permit me an exception to my liberal,
> tolerant views on No Death Penalty In Ordinary Civil Society.
>
He's a skull plumber, and so probably as batty as a bed bug.
This is not normal behaviour for a psychiatrist and US Army major...
William Black
> In any case, this guy ain't going loose any time soon. IF he doesn't
> get the death penalty, he'll never get out.
They said a lot of stuff like that about IRA men, but they're all out
now...
Hermann
> Hermann <Her...@sheise.net> wrote:
>
> EVEN I? Fuck you very much, dipshit.
Freddie-Boi, We all know from your posts that you are not always
responsible for lucid thought.
>
Alexander
You are a killJoy.
Jim Yanik
news:071120090609557096%alanl...@mac.com:
> The situation is also such as to permit me an exception to my liberal,
> tolerant views on No Death Penalty In Ordinary Civil Society.
Now WHY is that? I'd like to hear just why THIS "situation" is different.
is there some set level of killings that he exceeded?
What is your reasoning?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Richard Casady
wrote:
>Now WHY is that? I'd like to hear just why THIS "situation" is different.
>is there some set level of killings that he exceeded?
>What is your reasoning?
The existing statutes mostly draw the line between one and two.
Casady
Ray O'Hara
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hd1nba$cd9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hd1bp9$5rm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
>>>
>>> Where's 'over there' this time?
>>>
>>
>> even you should be able to figure that out Bill.
>>
>>
>
> Well no.
>
> The last time they were dancing in the streets 'over there', the place
> designated as 'over there' had little or no connection with US forces.
>
>
> --
the middle east Bill. they were jubilant in Tehran, Damascus, Riyard and
other places we don't have troops.
even the ones we haven't attacked dislike the west.
Ray O'Hara
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m2l8f5lj77pt8mb17...@4ax.com...
> Richard <the.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :> :
> :> : explain your objection to the word admitted?
> :> :{this should be funny}
> :> :
> :>
> :> Were they trying to claim something else and then 'admitted' the
> :> truth? No.
> :
> :Can you prove that "no"? Fact, they had him in custody for 7 hours
> :and knew he was alive and knew reports were going out (false ones)
> :that reported the shooter dead. So why the delay on the correction?
> :
>
> Perhaps because it's not their job to 'correct' the story and they
> might have wanted to know if he was actually going to live before they
> said he was going to live.
yes it is their job to correct the story.
the Army is a public institution.
Ray O'Hara
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:721fd42e-ffed-4627...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 8:48 am, richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady) wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:59 +0000, William Black
>
> >> The American public will demand vengeance. An Execution will be a
> >> political necessity. I wonder where he can find a Jew Lawyer?
>
> >So.
>
> >As always you can be relied on to produce something deeply offensive to
> >everyone concerned.
>
> What do you expect from someone who posts with a name like that?
>
> To digress somewhat, why should the US get the eagle, while Canada
> gets those vermin, Canada geese? Hardly seems fair.
>
> Casady
Have you ever eaten both or either of those birds properly prepared?
http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=35200707001
http://homecooking.about.com/od/gooseandduckrecipes/r/blgoose5.htm
=================================================================
Canada geese are vermin. they are quite the problem here in Massachusetts.
the ones we have are the decendents of live decoys and in the last 20 years
have had a huge population boom
and they don't know howw to fly south so we are stuck with them year round.
scott s.
news:292a171a-ff9e-441c...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> There is a certain story line coming out in news reports where
> people said he felt discriminated against. Full college and graduate
> study from the Army and a fast track to major doesn't sound like an
> official policy of discrimination.
I'm not sure about the "fast track to major". I think that is probably
the normal progression for doctors. Like for nurses I believe it is
quick to captain, but hard to advance after that.
scott s.
.
La N
"scott s." <75270...@csi.xcom> wrote in message
news:Xns9CBC73FF2D51D...@216.168.3.70...
I believe you are correct on that.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
> "scott s." <75270_37...@csi.xcom> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns9CBC73FF2D51D...@216.168.3.70...
>
> > "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in
> >news:292a171a-ff9e-441c...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> There is a certain story line coming out in news reports where
> >> people said he felt discriminated against. Full college and graduate
> >> study from the Army and a fast track to major doesn't sound like an
> >> official policy of discrimination.
>
> > I'm not sure about the "fast track to major". I think that is probably
> > the normal progression for doctors. Like for nurses I believe it is
> > quick to captain, but hard to advance after that.
>
> I believe you are correct on that.
>
> - nilita
There was a TV show about a Navy doctor. They had real trouble trying
to show how successful he was by "promoting" him every year. It became
obvious after three years that as a captain (Navy) he was almost too
senior to work in a hospital. I had a Captain dentist and he had
forgotten more about dentistry than any one.
William Black
> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> :frank wrote:
> :
> :> In any case, this guy ain't going loose any time soon. IF he doesn't
> :> get the death penalty, he'll never get out.
> :
> :They said a lot of stuff like that about IRA men, but they're all out
> :now...
>
> We're not you and he ain't the IRA.
>
The first is true, the second isn't...
William Black
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hd1nba$cd9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:hd1bp9$5rm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
>>>> Where's 'over there' this time?
>>>>
>>> even you should be able to figure that out Bill.
>>>
>>>
>> Well no.
>>
>> The last time they were dancing in the streets 'over there', the place
>> designated as 'over there' had little or no connection with US forces.
>>
>>
>> --
>
> the middle east Bill. they were jubilant in Tehran, Damascus, Riyard and
> other places we don't have troops.
> even the ones we haven't attacked dislike the west.
As far as I'm aware only Arabs in occupied Palestine were jubilant.
Jim Yanik
news:4af76d8e...@news.east.earthlink.net:
I want to hear Alan's reasoning.
He says he's against the DP for civilian crimes,but makes an exception in
this case.
Besides,this is not even a civilian case.It happened on a military base,by
an active-duty military,on other military personnel.
Jack Linthicum
> richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady) wrote innews:4af76d8e...@news.east.earthlink.net:
He shot a civilian police officer, who had been called to the base as
back up help. From this article I can't tell if the fire and police on
the base are civilian or not.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/glennsacks/2009/11/07/female-police-officer-a-hero-in-ft-hood-massacre/
William Black
> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> :
> :As far as I'm aware only Arabs in occupied Palestine were jubilant.
> :
>
> Reality doesn't seem limited by your awareness...
>
Cite please, about the dancing only...
William Black
> :> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> :>
> :> :frank wrote:
> :> :
> :> :> In any case, this guy ain't going loose any time soon. IF he doesn't
> :> :> get the death penalty, he'll never get out.
> :> :
> :> :They said a lot of stuff like that about IRA men, but they're all out
> :> :now...
> :> :
> :>
> :> We're not you and he ain't the IRA.
> :>
> :
> :The first is true, the second isn't...
>
> You think this Muslim major is a member of the IRA?
>
I think he's a criminal.
I think the IRA were criminals.
frank
CNN had some reports that the guy was going on during Grand Rounds at
Walter Reed with a long screed on what Muslims think of the infidel.
Not only off topic but pretty much a WTF medical moment. One of the
other docs who also was a Muslim called him on it and said he was
pretty much all wet.
whether that should have raised red flags, there were people who were
just as nutty about being saved and Bible beating at inappropriate
moments.
Unfortunately in the US we put up with a lot of this stuff.
frank
> "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:hd1nba$cd9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > Ray O'Hara wrote:
> >>news:hd1bp9$5rm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>
> >>>> Are they dancing in the streets over there again, like on 9/11?
>
> >>> Where's 'over there' this time?
>
> >> even you should be able to figure that out Bill.
>
> > Well no.
>
> > The last time they were dancing in the streets 'over there', the place
> > designated as 'over there' had little or no connection with US forces.
>
> > --
>
> the middle east Bill. they were jubilant in Tehran, Damascus, Riyard and
> other places we don't have troops.
> even the ones we haven't attacked dislike the west.
CNN was showing some loonie tunes in NYC last night in the wee hours
that thought he was a martyr for Islam, get this, one was a Jew who
converted, other was some Christian. Sometimes worst are converts.
Supposedly not only are the people spewing the hate watched but
supposedly local PD checks on those that seem more that a bit
interested in watching them. still a free country, but actions have
consequences. I'd rather they watch groups like that rather than the
local geriatric knitting society that protests the war and gets so
upset they burn the cookies and spill the tea during the discussions.
frank
Had a neurosurgeon, was only one in the region guy was always going
TDY from Japan to Korea to Clark depending on the cases, needed
somebody to crack a skull he was the guy to go to.
There was some orthopedic surgeon in Korea, don't remember what his
specialty was, something really arcane with bone marrow or something,
he had all sorts of specialty pay and bennies. Didn't make as much as
private practice but for being in uniform they treated him with kid
gloves to keep him working his magic with the chisels, tongs, mallets
and whatnot.
Medical specialists easily make major, depending and usually surgery
specialties come in higher, sometimes as full birds. Though their
career track is totally different from the rest of the military.
Alan Lothian
A legitimate request, I must admit.
>
> He says he's against the DP for civilian crimes,but makes an exception in
> this case.
Normal, civil society. That's the touchstone. I don't want to see some
poor sod topped merely because he murdered his wife or his best pal
after an excess of, ah, something. I think such punishment brings
pain, sorrow and other bad things upon Normal, Civil society. And, as I
pointed out, you splendid American chaps are really bad at the business
of dealing death to Bad Persons, however much they may have deserved
it. Although such clumsiness really does not affect the moral issues
involved. Let me put it this way, Jim: I don't want to pay a hangman's
wages out of my taxes. I'd rather pay the hugely larger cost of locking
people up. Personally, after I'd strangled my beloved wife I'd rather
face the executioner than 20 years in jail. In the US, I could do both,
which you may consider the best of all possible worlds. But personal
feelings are poor guides to public policy.
>
> Besides,this is not even a civilian case.It happened on a military base,by
> an active-duty military,on other military personnel.
Exactly. FWIW, here in the land of cheese-eating surrender monkeys, the
general bar opinion (hah!) is much the same as mine. And as recently as
the 1980s, the froggie French were in the habit of chopping heads off.
The real difficulty with the Fort Hood case is the stain it casts over
other Muslims in the US military. Most such people are likely to be
stalwart patriots etc etc, but I personally wouldn't trust any one of
them farther than I could throw him, and certainly not at all if he was
behind me, armed, in a dodgy situation.
So it would be quite salutary to deal with this lying, murderous
buffoon in a manner not unknown to military organizations over the
centuries. Crucifying him upside down over a slow fire would simply
degrade the punishers. A properly formed firing squad is all that is
required, and most of the humane decencies can be preserved.
--
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun
If you wish to email me, try putting a dot between alan and lothian.
Blueyonder is a thing of the past.
Alan Lothian
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :As of when was deliberately shooting soldiers not considered "levying War"?
> :
>
> As of when it's not done at the behest of an enemy of the United
> States.
Ah, now there's a question. I will stand on my admittedly morally
dubious position of "normal, civil society". Shoot the bugger.
La N
> In article <tj0af51f3gsj4la6p...@4ax.com>, Fred J.
> McCall <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As of when was deliberately shooting soldiers not considered
>>> "levying War"?
>>>
>>
>> As of when it's not done at the behest of an enemy of the United
>> States.
>
> Ah, now there's a question. I will stand on my admittedly morally
> dubious position of "normal, civil society". Shoot the bugger.
He will not be treated kindly. He will not even be sent to Libya ...;p
- nilita
Andrew Swallow
> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> Alexander wrote:
>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7X...@bt.com...
>>>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
>>>>> trial. A BIG MESS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew Swallow
>>>>
>>>> and then execute him.
>>>
>>> Gitmo first!
>>
>> Gitmo is for crimes committed outside the USA by non-US citizens.
>> The interrogators will have to permit him to give up his right
>> to silence in the jail house.
>>
>> Andrew Swallow
>
> You are a killJoy.
That is probably true.
I suspect the USA needs to build an internal high security prison
and interrogation centre. At least 3 days walk from the nearest
town (about 100 miles). The shooter would make a good first
prisoner.
Andrew Swallow
Jim Yanik
news:081120090248553036%alanl...@mac.com:
> In article <Xns9CBCB131A102E...@216.168.3.44>, Jim Yanik
><jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>>
>> I want to hear Alan's reasoning.
>
> A legitimate request, I must admit.
>>
>> He says he's against the DP for civilian crimes,but makes an
>> exception in this case.
>
> Normal, civil society. That's the touchstone. I don't want to see
> some poor sod topped merely because he murdered his wife or his best
> pal after an excess of, ah, something.
Nor do I.Those sort can be "rehabilitated" after serving their sentence
and probation,and returned to society with little fear of recurrence.
Now IMO,that does NOT extend to pedophile child killers,serial rapists,or
those with long histories of ever-increasing violent crime.
> I think such punishment brings
> pain, sorrow and other bad things upon Normal, Civil society. And, as
> I pointed out, you splendid American chaps are really bad at the
> business of dealing death to Bad Persons, however much they may have
> deserved it. Although such clumsiness really does not affect the moral
> issues involved. Let me put it this way, Jim: I don't want to pay a
> hangman's wages out of my taxes. I'd rather pay the hugely larger cost
> of locking people up. Personally, after I'd strangled my beloved wife
> I'd rather face the executioner than 20 years in jail. In the US, I
> could do both, which you may consider the best of all possible worlds.
> But personal feelings are poor guides to public policy.
>
>>
>> Besides,this is not even a civilian case.It happened on a military
>> base,by an active-duty military,on other military personnel.
>
> Exactly. FWIW, here in the land of cheese-eating surrender monkeys,
> the general bar opinion (hah!) is much the same as mine. And as
> recently as the 1980s, the froggie French were in the habit of
> chopping heads off.
>
> The real difficulty with the Fort Hood case is the stain it casts over
> other Muslims in the US military. Most such people are likely to be
> stalwart patriots etc etc, but I personally wouldn't trust any one of
> them farther than I could throw him, and certainly not at all if he
> was behind me, armed, in a dodgy situation.
well,there's a real problem in that if the Muslim is devoutly following the
Koran(a "good" or "true" Muslim),then they definitely are a
threat.Also,Muslims might tend to reveal plans,data,or supply tactical
support to other Muslims.
>
> So it would be quite salutary to deal with this lying, murderous
> buffoon in a manner not unknown to military organizations over the
> centuries. Crucifying him upside down over a slow fire would simply
> degrade the punishers. A properly formed firing squad is all that is
> required, and most of the humane decencies can be preserved.
>
IMO,the DP should be applied to "career criminals",and particularly heinous
murders,the sort where the felon cannot ever be released back into society.
Alan Lothian
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan Lothian <alanl...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> :In article <tj0af51f3gsj4la6p...@4ax.com>, Fred J. McCall
> :<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> :
> :> Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> :
> :> :As of when was deliberately shooting soldiers not considered "levying
> :> :War"?
> :> :
> :>
> :> As of when it's not done at the behest of an enemy of the United
> :> States.
> :
> :Ah, now there's a question. I will stand on my admittedly morally
> :dubious position of "normal, civil society". Shoot the bugger.
> :
>
> No problem here, but then I'm not particularly against killing
> bastards wherever found.
I will stand pat on my "normal, civil society" argument against the
death penalty. Even Jim Yanik has found at least some common ground
with me on that. Indeed, my only solid counter-argument to Jim's point
about topping serials and real crazies is the legal fuckups that would
inevitably happen.
But your Fort Hood buffoon, sworn by oath, has committed almost the
worst crime imaginable against his comrades. In fact, my imagination
strains to come up with a worse, and I am a reasonably imaginative man.
I suppose an outright treasonous betrayal to a foreign power, costing
the lives of fellow-soldiers, might do it.
Shoot him as soon as he can stand up straight enough to be tied to a
post. Umpteen years in some military death row is NOT the way. After a
legally convened court-martial, of course, which should take no more
than about thirty minutes. A few more minutes with the
nearest-available Mad Mullah, and that's it.
My new French-Moroccan friend Layeed is much of my opinion, by the
way, although he has informed me that my offer to the condemned of a
quick glass of rough whiskey is seriously "haram", in the context of an
imminent encounter with Allah. I make no pretence to be a Muslim
theologian. Layeed thinks your man should be given a decent but by no
means prolonged interval to say his prayers; I can go along with that.
Fred, don't imagine I am opposed to the death penalty because I am some
kind of squeamy fuckwit liberal. (Liberal in the US sense: I maintain
my position, in all other respects, as the most liberal and tolerant of
men.)
And I did appreciate your offer of an alpha strike in a recent, ah,
gentlemanly disagreement with a cowardly poltroon. I couldn't possibly
have accepted it, of course, but it certainly heartened a chap.
Jeffrey Hamilton
I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as you, Andrew.
Execution, whilst entirely appropriate, instantly makes him a *martyr* to
some.
Perhaps a life sentence of hard labo[u]r in a remote secure military prison,
without visitors, except for immediate family and only then occasionaly (you
know, Christmas and such), is a suitable example for future reference and
*food for thought* for would-be emulators.
cheers.....Jeff
deem...@aol.com
> Andrew Swallow wrote:
> > Alexander wrote:
> >> Andrew Swallow wrote:
> >>> Alexander wrote:
> >>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
We could always wrap him in a pigskin for burial.......
Jack Linthicum
A wet pigskin while he's still alive, put him out in the hot sun.
The DC Sniper dies tomorrow and he only killed ten.