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May 30, 2002, 6:55:51 PM5/30/02
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"*Ace*" <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Gareth Slee,
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:57:59 +0100, in us.military.army
> Gareth Slee put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
>
> Message ID:- <ad5snh$ucv2n$1...@ID-143242.news.dfncis.de>
>
>
> > http://www.americathebrave.com/
> >
> > From your British cousins.
>
>
> I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason
>
> I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
> ad-hoc amendments.
>
> I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
> murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.
>
> I think of the Statue of Liberty, a gift from the Frogs, thanking the
> US for its support during the Napoleonic Wars.
>
> I think of the severe lack of social cohesion, where the rich can
> afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer, where
> the poor are forced to work while their rich counterparts can receive
> a college education.
>
> I think of those New Yorkers who perished due to inadequate US
> intelligence and greedy flight training schools prepared to train
> suicide pilots to fly.
>
>
> Best wishes, Ace
>
> ==============================
>
> Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
> Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
> To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.


You do a lot of thinking - I think not - dimwit!!


Reynard

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May 30, 2002, 6:52:02 PM5/30/02
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*Ace* <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Gareth Slee,
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:57:59 +0100, in us.military.army
> Gareth Slee put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
>
> Message ID:- <ad5snh$ucv2n$1...@ID-143242.news.dfncis.de>
>
>
> > http://www.americathebrave.com/
> >
> > From your British cousins.
>
>
> I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason
>
> I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
> ad-hoc amendments.
>
> I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
> murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.
>
> I think of the Statue of Liberty, a gift from the Frogs, thanking the
> US for its support during the Napoleonic Wars.
>
> I think of the severe lack of social cohesion, where the rich can
> afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer, where
> the poor are forced to work while their rich counterparts can receive
> a college education.
>
> I think of those New Yorkers who perished due to inadequate US
> intelligence and greedy flight training schools prepared to train
> suicide pilots to fly.

Not again Ace, FFS.

Reynard


Brad Meyer

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May 30, 2002, 8:41:48 PM5/30/02
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On Thu, 30 May 2002 23:09:10 +0100, *Ace*
<agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote:

>Hi Gareth Slee,
>
>On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:57:59 +0100, in us.military.army
>Gareth Slee put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
>
>Message ID:- <ad5snh$ucv2n$1...@ID-143242.news.dfncis.de>
>
>
>> http://www.americathebrave.com/
>>
>> From your British cousins.
>
>
>I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason

Yeah, its hard to believe George III could have done all that, but
ISTR y'all have a history of monarchs going of the trollies.

>I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
>ad-hoc amendments.

"He set to beating me with the British Constitution. Since it is an
unwritten one, no damage was done." -- Harriman to FDR about
Churchill.

>I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
>murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.

Yeah, almost as bad a Northern Ireland.

>I think of the severe lack of social cohesion . . .

I think this is a buzz term for "class system". People in America
don't make decisions about their "betters" on the basis of who one's
parents were.

>where the rich can
>afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer . . .

At least we have no mass closures or huge backlog of unperformed
operations that the BBC mentions exist in GB.


Brad Meyer
"It is history that teaches us to hope"
-- R E Lee

Reynard

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May 30, 2002, 9:59:39 PM5/30/02
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<snip>

> "It is history that teaches us to hope"
> -- R E Lee
"And experience that teaches us not to"
>


ace.agi...@spambtinternet.com

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May 31, 2002, 9:54:49 AM5/31/02
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On Thu, 30 May 2002 23:09:10 +0100, *Ace*
<agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> vomited

I ses that you are still spouting shit. Can you not
think of anything new you incompetent twat?

Add another 'r' to mail me

24915193

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May 31, 2002, 10:53:09 AM5/31/02
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*Ace* <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Gareth Slee,
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:57:59 +0100, in us.military.army
> Gareth Slee put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
>
> Message ID:- <ad5snh$ucv2n$1...@ID-143242.news.dfncis.de>
>
>
> > http://www.americathebrave.com/
> >
> > From your British cousins.
>
>
> I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason
>
> I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
> ad-hoc amendments.
>
> I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
> murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.
>
> I think of the Statue of Liberty, a gift from the Frogs, thanking the
> US for its support during the Napoleonic Wars.
>
> I think of the severe lack of social cohesion, where the rich can
> afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer, where
> the poor are forced to work while their rich counterparts can receive
> a college education.
>
> I think of those New Yorkers who perished due to inadequate US
> intelligence and greedy flight training schools prepared to train
> suicide pilots to fly.

This last one is a bit out of order Ace.

24915193

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May 31, 2002, 10:54:03 AM5/31/02
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DTM <dontb...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Maybe he is related to you then because hes right on everything except the
last point.


24915193

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May 31, 2002, 10:59:55 AM5/31/02
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Brad Meyer <brad...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 30 May 2002 23:09:10 +0100, *Ace*
> <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Gareth Slee,
> >
> >On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:57:59 +0100, in us.military.army
> >Gareth Slee put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
> >
> >Message ID:- <ad5snh$ucv2n$1...@ID-143242.news.dfncis.de>
> >
> >
> >> http://www.americathebrave.com/
> >>
> >> From your British cousins.
> >
> >
> >I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason
>
> Yeah, its hard to believe George III could have done all that, but
> ISTR y'all have a history of monarchs going of the trollies.

Thats what monarchs are for.

> >I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
> >ad-hoc amendments.
>
> "He set to beating me with the British Constitution. Since it is an
> unwritten one, no damage was done." -- Harriman to FDR about
> Churchill.

Useing American comments to back up an american point of view is not the
brightest thing to do.


> >I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
> >murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.
>
> Yeah, almost as bad a Northern Ireland.

And in what possible way is Northern Ireland like the government
assassination of Martin Luther ? Knobend.

> >I think of the severe lack of social cohesion . . .
>
> I think this is a buzz term for "class system". People in America
> don't make decisions about their "betters" on the basis of who one's
> parents were.

No - you do it on an income basis.

> >where the rich can
> >afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer . . .
>
> At least we have no mass closures or huge backlog of unperformed
> operations that the BBC mentions exist in GB.

There are no mass closures here. As for the back log, thats due to
understaffing, not free healthcare - knobend.

> Brad Meyer
> "It is history that teaches us to hope"
> -- R E Lee

It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans.


Scot

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May 31, 2002, 11:31:29 AM5/31/02
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"24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>> > >I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason
> >
> > Yeah, its hard to believe George III could have done all that, but
> > ISTR y'all have a history of monarchs going of the trollies.
>
> Thats what monarchs are for.
>
> > >I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
> > >ad-hoc amendments.
> >
> > "He set to beating me with the British Constitution. Since it is an
> > unwritten one, no damage was done." -- Harriman to FDR about
> > Churchill.
>
> Useing American comments to back up an american point of view is not the
> brightest thing to do.
>
Okay here's a Scottish comment - what f*cking British Constitution?
There isn't one.

>
> > >I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
> > >murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.
> >
> > Yeah, almost as bad a Northern Ireland.

Exactly. Remember the miners strikes "Ace"? You want a list of deaths
in police custody?


>
> And in what possible way is Northern Ireland like the government
> assassination of Martin Luther ? Knobend.

Government assassination is government assassination whatever the
reasons. Knobend.


>
> > >I think of the severe lack of social cohesion . . .
> >
> > I think this is a buzz term for "class system". People in America
> > don't make decisions about their "betters" on the basis of who one's
> > parents were.
>
> No - you do it on an income basis.

So we do it on birth - what's the difference, apart from the obvious, ISTR
Americans are encouraged to live the American Dream, not so in the
English class system where birth and breeding are all. Imagine idolising
someone because of their birth, how sycophantic can you get?


>
> > >where the rich can
> > >afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer . . .
> >
> > At least we have no mass closures or huge backlog of unperformed
> > operations that the BBC mentions exist in GB.
>
> There are no mass closures here. As for the back log, thats due to
> understaffing, not free healthcare - knobend.
>

The NHS is in a mess - knobend. The backlog is also due to equipment
and hospital underfunding.
Knobend.

> > Brad Meyer
> > "It is history that teaches us to hope"
> > -- R E Lee
>
> It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans.
>

History is recording a successful country, it's also recording the greedy
and envious looking on, grasping for put downs, and failing.

Scot

W. D. Allen Sr.

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May 31, 2002, 2:52:24 PM5/31/02
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"...It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans...."
from nos...@co.uk

Let's see...

We bailed out Britain TWICE after the Germans kicked their butts. And we
accomplished in Afghanistan in three months what they and the Russians were
never able to do while playing the "Great Game" throughout the almost
century long reign of their Queen Victoria.

Meanwhile, they had to cobble together a joke of a scratch fleet and then
mooch US satellite recce data to win against those world beaters, the
Argentineans, in the Falklands.

Talk about laughing!!!

WDA

ball...@adelphia.net

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"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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> In article <ad8357$klv$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, 24915193 <nos...@co.uk>
wrote:


> >
> >It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans.
> >
>

> If you would laugh at America, you must first laugh at
> your own country. I am hard pressed to think of any
> nation in the world that has not committed serious errors.
> The UK is rather *far* from being immune to such blunders.
>
> I'd be the first in line to admit the US makes heinous
> errors in its dealings. But, I see it as more a condition
> of the state of humanity than the state of a nation. We're
> flawed creatures, everyone of us. Flawed people lead the
> nations, and we stumble, often blindly, into the future.
>
> -Geoff
>


Keith Willshaw

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May 31, 2002, 3:05:37 PM5/31/02
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"W. D. Allen Sr." <ball...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:IDPJ8.3032

Why are you guys feeding a known troll ?

Keith


Brad Meyer

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On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:59:55 +0100, "24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote:


>> >I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
>> >ad-hoc amendments.
>>
>> "He set to beating me with the British Constitution. Since it is an
>> unwritten one, no damage was done." -- Harriman to FDR about
>> Churchill.
>
>Useing American comments to back up an american point of view is not the
>brightest thing to do.

On the contrary, who better to back up an American point of view then
an American.


>> >I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
>> >murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.
>>
>> Yeah, almost as bad a Northern Ireland.
>
>And in what possible way is Northern Ireland like the government
>assassination of Martin Luther ?

Well, BBC says they are in the middle of a huge investigation about
the govt sanctioned Bloody Sunday killings. Further, the US govt has
never seen the need to support anything at all like the UVF. Nor do we
have anything like the Orange Day marches.

>Knobend.


>
>No - you do it on an income basis.

Not wealth, but rather earnings. One sees very little "old money" in
this country (those folks generally keep to themselves). The rich that
one does see are people who made their bundle themselves. While
certainly not a great system, I think it better then depending on an
accident of birth.

>> >where the rich can
>> >afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer . . .
>>
>> At least we have no mass closures or huge backlog of unperformed
>> operations that the BBC mentions exist in GB.
>
>There are no mass closures here. As for the back log, thats due to

>understaffing, not free healthcare.

And the understaffing is due to . . .?

24915193

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May 31, 2002, 3:25:01 PM5/31/02
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*Ace* <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi 24915193,
>
> On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:53:09 +0100, in alt.folklore.military
> 24915193 put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
>
> Message ID:- <ad82oh$kha$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>
> Maybe. But the warning signs were there, it's just the US had got a
> little too complacent about their own internal security. A trainee
> pilot not interested in take offs and landings should have raised a
> few eyebrows.

Not really. It depends on how long the guy was training. He may not have
felt confidant to want to try landings and take offs. He might have just
enjoyed flying around once he was up there. Even if his behaviour was to be
considered unusual there is a big leap from that to assuming hes a
terrorist - and from there to assuming hes going to fly a jumbo into a
building, and from there to assume there will be 4 such attempts coordinated
at the same time.


24915193

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Scot <Sc...@anon.com> wrote in message
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>
> "24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ad8357$klv$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> >> > >I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason
> > >
> > > Yeah, its hard to believe George III could have done all that, but
> > > ISTR y'all have a history of monarchs going of the trollies.
> >
> > Thats what monarchs are for.
> >
> > > >I think of the fundamentally flawed constitution riddled with various
> > > >ad-hoc amendments.
> > >
> > > "He set to beating me with the British Constitution. Since it is an
> > > unwritten one, no damage was done." -- Harriman to FDR about
> > > Churchill.
> >
> > Useing American comments to back up an american point of view is not the
> > brightest thing to do.
> >
> Okay here's a Scottish comment - what f*cking British Constitution?
> There isn't one.

So what ? we dont need one. It isnt a holy grail of politics.

> > > >I think of the Black man beaten up by corrupt policemen, and the
> > > >murder of civil rights' leader Martin Luther King.
> > >
> > > Yeah, almost as bad a Northern Ireland.
>
> Exactly. Remember the miners strikes "Ace"? You want a list of deaths
> in police custody?
> >
> > And in what possible way is Northern Ireland like the government
> > assassination of Martin Luther ? Knobend.
>
> Government assassination is government assassination whatever the
> reasons. Knobend.

OK shit for brains. Name all those Irish people not engaged in terrorism
against the United Kingdom who were assassinated by the British Government
over the Issue of who should control northern ireland. COME ON TWAT

> > > >I think of the severe lack of social cohesion . . .
> > >
> > > I think this is a buzz term for "class system". People in America
> > > don't make decisions about their "betters" on the basis of who one's
> > > parents were.
> >
> > No - you do it on an income basis.
>
> So we do it on birth - what's the difference, apart from the obvious, ISTR
> Americans are encouraged to live the American Dream, not so in the
> English class system where birth and breeding are all. Imagine idolising
> someone because of their birth, how sycophantic can you get?

We dont you moron.

> > > >where the rich can
> > > >afford the very best medical treatment while the poor suffer . . .
> > >
> > > At least we have no mass closures or huge backlog of unperformed
> > > operations that the BBC mentions exist in GB.
> >
> > There are no mass closures here. As for the back log, thats due to
> > understaffing, not free healthcare - knobend.
> >
> The NHS is in a mess - knobend. The backlog is also due to equipment
> and hospital underfunding.
> Knobend.


Which is what i just said you thick twat. Learn to read you pathetic little
moron. Mind you, your scottish so its not surprising your as thick as pig
shit now is it.

24915193

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W. D. Allen Sr. <ball...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:IDPJ8.3032$2Q3.2...@news3.news.adelphia.net...

> "...It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans...."
> from nos...@co.uk
>
> Let's see...
>
> We bailed out Britain TWICE after the Germans kicked their butts. And we
> accomplished in Afghanistan in three months what they and the Russians
were
> never able to do while playing the "Great Game" throughout the almost
> century long reign of their Queen Victoria.

Pure american fantasy - never happened.

> Meanwhile, they had to cobble together a joke of a scratch fleet and then
> mooch US satellite recce data to win against those world beaters, the
> Argentineans, in the Falklands.

Again, pure American Fantasy.
Care to name what satellite intelligence the British recieved ?

> Talk about laughing!!!

Yes I am laughing at your total ignorance of history.

24915193

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May 31, 2002, 3:32:14 PM5/31/02
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Because there thick americans and scots you dumb prick.

Keith Willshaw <keith@kwillshaw_NoSpam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Darren

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"*Ace*" <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi 24915193,
>
> On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:53:09 +0100, in alt.folklore.military
> 24915193 put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
>
> Message ID:- <ad82oh$kha$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>
> Maybe. But the warning signs were there, it's just the US had got a
> little too complacent about their own internal security. A trainee
> pilot not interested in take offs and landings should have raised a
> few eyebrows.
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Ace
>
> ==============================
>
> Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
> Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
> To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.

It did, that's why there was one hijacker missing. Some guy called Zacharias
Moussouri or something like that, got pulled by the FBI after he tried to
buy time on a simulator but was only interested in turning and not take-offs
and landings.

Darren


ntaylor

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On Fri, 31 May 2002 18:19:39 +0100, *Ace* <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote:


>
>
>I had the misfortune to have to undergo surgery on Tuesday.
>
>I had a small mole on my little toe which had been annoying me for
>years. Six weeks ago I went to my GP and complained about the errant
>growth. He referred me to the dermatology unit at Lewisham Hospital.
>I was called in to be seen for a 10.50 appointment last Tuesday. In
>the clinic there were five doctors working, four making diagnosis and
>one performing biopsies. I arrived for my appointment at 10.30, but
>wasn't seen until 12.00. I spent ten minutes with the doctor and was
>then sent to see another doctor. By 12.20 the mole had been removed
>and I was cycling back to work.
>
>How much had this cost me? Six weeks wait with mild discomfort then a
>1h 50 wait reading old copies of Country Life and a ten minute cycle
>ride each way. I was back at work by 12.30.
>
>How much would a similar surgery cost in the US? I bet you'd be lucky
>to get away with a bill for less than US$500.
>
>
The barber removes moles for free with a ten dollar haircut.
Even if you don't ask.

Cannon Fodder

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May 31, 2002, 4:59:07 PM5/31/02
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Geeze... That just shows what pussies you've become... If you were an
American and had a problem such as yours you would have whipped out
your Bowie knife during morning break, whacked off the offending toe,
spit some tobacco juice on the stub, replaced your sock and shoe and
been back to work when the whistle sounded...

That's what happens when you dilute your gene pool with centuries of
wars, famine and plague..

On Fri, 31 May 2002 18:19:39 +0100, *Ace*
<agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>I had the misfortune to have to undergo surgery on Tuesday.
>
>I had a small mole on my little toe which had been annoying me for
>years. Six weeks ago I went to my GP and complained about the errant
>growth. He referred me to the dermatology unit at Lewisham Hospital.
>I was called in to be seen for a 10.50 appointment last Tuesday. In
>the clinic there were five doctors working, four making diagnosis and
>one performing biopsies. I arrived for my appointment at 10.30, but
>wasn't seen until 12.00. I spent ten minutes with the doctor and was
>then sent to see another doctor. By 12.20 the mole had been removed
>and I was cycling back to work.
>
>How much had this cost me? Six weeks wait with mild discomfort then a
>1h 50 wait reading old copies of Country Life and a ten minute cycle
>ride each way. I was back at work by 12.30.
>
>How much would a similar surgery cost in the US? I bet you'd be lucky
>to get away with a bill for less than US$500.
>
>

>> Knobend.
>>
>> > > Brad Meyer
>> > > "It is history that teaches us to hope"
>> > > -- R E Lee
>> >
>> > It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans.
>> >
>> History is recording a successful country, it's also recording the greedy
>> and envious looking on, grasping for put downs, and failing.
>>
>> Scot
>>
>>
>
>
>

>Best wishes, Ace
>
>==============================
>
>Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
>Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
>To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.


"Always strive to find a little humor,
even in the most grim of situations..."

Cannon Fodder

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You really are a poor brain washed sod aren't you 24915193?? (must be
his patient number in the institution)


"The Young British Soldier"

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains
And the women come out to cut up what remains
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

On Fri, 31 May 2002 20:31:44 +0100, "24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote:

>> we accomplished in Afghanistan in three months
>> what they and the Russians were never able to
>> do while playing the "Great Game" throughout the
>> almost century long reign of their Queen Victoria.

>Pure american fantasy - never happened.
>
>> Meanwhile, they had to cobble together a joke of a scratch fleet and then
>> mooch US satellite recce data to win against those world beaters, the
>> Argentineans, in the Falklands.
>
>Again, pure American Fantasy.

ace.agi...@spam.btinternet.com

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May 31, 2002, 5:22:37 PM5/31/02
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In article <458dfuc5c1opetgf0...@4ax.com>,
*Ace* vomits.......

I see you are still spewing the same old shite.

William Black

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W. D. Allen Sr. <ball...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> "...It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans...."
> from nos...@co.uk
>
> Let's see...
>
> We bailed out Britain TWICE after the Germans kicked their butts.

Turning up late to save the world is nothing to boast about. Turning up
late twice is something to keep quiet about.

And we
> accomplished in Afghanistan in three months what they and the Russians
were
> never able to do while playing the "Great Game" throughout the almost
> century long reign of their Queen Victoria.

Nope. Invading Afghanistan is easy. The Russians took the place in 48
hours, the British just marched overland to the capital and took over.

Now if the US is still there in five years and it's a peaceful country with
a prosperous economy and no opium we'll talk again, but until then you
don't get to boast.

--
William Black
------------------
On time, on budget, or works;
Pick any two from three


kqr...@freeuk.com

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May 31, 2002, 5:52:02 PM5/31/02
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In article <1022871941.18256....@news.demon.co.uk>, Keith
Willshaw says...

>
>"W. D. Allen Sr." <ball...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:IDPJ8.3032
>
>Why are you guys feeding a known troll ?
>
>Keith
>
Because they are fuckwits!

Scot

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"24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Scot <Sc...@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:MHMJ8.1996$6S.1...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
> > Okay here's a Scottish comment - what f*cking British Constitution?
> > There isn't one.
>
> So what ? we dont need one. It isnt a holy grail of politics.

We, who's "we", you mean "you", typical bollocks. I've news for you, if
"we" don't need a constitution it's because Europe is calling the shots
now.

> > Government assassination is government assassination whatever the
> > reasons. Knobend.
>
> OK shit for brains. Name all those Irish people not engaged in terrorism
> against the United Kingdom who were assassinated by the British Government
> over the Issue of who should control northern ireland. COME ON TWAT

Read the post again TWAT. Then ask a question I've not already answered.
COME ON TWAT. Is that how you say it at the "footie" isn't it?


>
> > So we do it on birth - what's the difference, apart from the obvious, ISTR
> > Americans are encouraged to live the American Dream, not so in the
> > English class system where birth and breeding are all. Imagine idolising
> > someone because of their birth, how sycophantic can you get?
>
> We dont you moron.

Er... you do, you'll be bowing, scraping and tugging your foreskin to the
monarchy this very weekend. The pinnacle of your class system.


>
> > > There are no mass closures here. As for the back log, thats due to
> > > understaffing, not free healthcare - knobend.
> > >
> > The NHS is in a mess - knobend. The backlog is also due to equipment
> > and hospital underfunding.
> > Knobend.
>
> Which is what i just said you thick twat. Learn to read you pathetic little
> moron. Mind you, your scottish so its not surprising your as thick as pig
> shit now is it.

Well if this is all about "Englishness" why don't you say so, then I can just
snigger as you try and boost your vision which never existed in the first
place.

You said the NHS was in a mess due to understaffing, *not* equipment
and *not* hospital underfunding - due in the main to the English Tory
Partys' disdain of the public sector, something valued in Scotland.
Read and try and understand your own posts you TWAT.
Will we be seeing more of you proud Ingl-unders at their antics this week?
Proper ambassadors you all are, still you're only reflecting Englands
values. Hatred and bile. Watch that right-wing go!

Scot

Scot

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"24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
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> Which is what i just said you thick twat. Learn to read you pathetic little
> moron. Mind you, your scottish so its not surprising your as thick as pig
> shit now is it.

What prose, what syntax, what language?
Are you sure you're English? Or are you just the product of the English
education system? Maybe it's because you haven't completed it yet?

Scot


David E. Powell

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"Scot" <Sc...@anon.com> wrote in message
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>
> "24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ad8iu9$sin$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...

Snip

> Proper ambassadors you all are, still you're only reflecting Englands
> values. Hatred and bile.

Dude, relax - the last England/Scotland was was a few hundred years ago.

Watch that right-wing go!
>

What's so wrong with right wing? You could use some of it in Scotland. How
much does gasoline cost there these days? What with all that North Sea oil
you should be paying less!

> Scot


David E. Powell

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"*Ace*" <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Gareth Slee,
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:57:59 +0100, in us.military.army
> Gareth Slee put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing...
>
> Message ID:- <ad5snh$ucv2n$1...@ID-143242.news.dfncis.de>
>
>
> > http://www.americathebrave.com/
> >
> > From your British cousins.
>
>
> I think of the USA, born out of mutiny, treachery and high treason

(Snip rest of rant)

A new address again? Back in the killfile with you!

PLONK!


Andrew McCruden

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on 01 Jun 2002, "David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com>
wrote
in sci.military.naval


> What's so wrong with right wing? You could use some of it in
> Scotland. How much does gasoline cost there these days? What
> with all that North Sea oil you should be paying less!

Bah... we don't do government subsdies for petrol.


--
Andrew McCruden

"Sometimes we break the system, Sometimes the system breaks us"

Scot

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"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Scot" <Sc...@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:3T%J8.1110$Ca.4...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > "24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:ad8iu9$sin$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> Snip
>
> > Proper ambassadors you all are, still you're only reflecting Englands
> > values. Hatred and bile.
>
> Dude, relax - the last England/Scotland was was a few hundred years ago.
>
I do apologize, some of the English occasionally try the patronising tone on
the rest of the UK, they need reminding. England/Scotland still continues
albeit on a smaller scale, usually at the weekend. The UK media has been
taken over by the English saying "we" this, and "we" that.
The occasion? Not the Jubilee, but an England football match which kicks
off in 90 minutes. Well I'm not part of their "we", I'm Scottish and I hope
they're gubbed. It's not football, it's the whole tone, and I don't mean all
English, I genuinely mean the loud minority. Most people tend to be roughly
the same wherever I've been.

> Watch that right-wing go!
> >
>
> What's so wrong with right wing? You could use some of it in Scotland. How
> much does gasoline cost there these days? What with all that North Sea oil
> you should be paying less!

Aye, you've got a valid point there. I'll find out just how much the Americans
pay this summer, when I'm over.
The point of my post was hijacked by an arrogant Englishman. The point was
from where I am, I see a prosperous, confident and strong country in the
USA. I am well aware the USA is not Utopia or without it's problems, both
internally and externally. I don't see anywhere better. Others look, see the
same as me, and have to put down the US, denigrate and demean it.
It's called jealousy. Instead of building up their own house, they want to
smash yours.
After that awful clumsy defence, I'm off to watch another awful clumsy defence
(Englands) get split wide open by Sweden. C'mon Larsson.

Scot

Irwell

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On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:11:09 +0100, "Scot" <sc...@noname.com> wrote:

>

>After that awful clumsy defence, I'm off to watch another awful clumsy defence
>(Englands) get split wide open by Sweden. C'mon Larsson.
>
>Scot
>
>
>

Scotsman visiting his psychiatrist.
"Doctor, I think I have an inferiority complex"
Doc examines Scottie.
"No complex, you are just inferior".

Scot

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"Irwell" <tay...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Englishman goes to his doctor.
"Doctor I think I'm a wanker"
Doc examines Sassenach scum.
"Yes you're right".

Larsson missed a sitter, you were lucky, and you'll be home soon.

Scot


Eugene Griessel

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Jun 3, 2002, 1:30:02 PM6/3/02
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cas...@mayhem.kiva.net (Geoff Cashman) wrote:

>Result? America drives positively *HUGE* cars compared to what
>you see in the UK. People routinely drive 2 ton and greater
>vehicles as their private passenger vehicles...pickup trucks
>with 4 wheel rear axles, SUVs that can't fit into older home
>garages and weigh nearly 3 tons, and even sedans that are twice
>as long as a typical Brit car.

Commonly called "Yank Tanks" in this neck of the woods.

Eugene L Griessel www.dynagen.co.za/eugene
SAAF Crashboat History www.dynagen.co.za/eugene/guybook.html

"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because
they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous
sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."

Neil Stephenson, Cryptonomicon


Tom Huxton

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Jun 3, 2002, 1:51:09 PM6/3/02
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"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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>
> Currently, Americans are paying right around 25p per litre of
> gas. This assumes a per gal price of $1.40 and .68 British Pounds
> per US Dollar (current market value according to Yahoo).
> Ie, Americans are paying about 1/3rd of what Brits pay for
> gas these days.
>

Well, don't you get a price break on North Sea crude? Ship us the crude,
and we'll send back the cheap gas. If your government doesn't like that
deal.......we'll charge a higher price and ship a free auto with every
10,000 gallons purchased. If necessary, we can sell it back below the cost
of refining, and write it off as Foreign Aid.

If you could allow a few competent mathematicians to immigrate, we could
probably teach THEM the intricacies of finance in a few weeks.

Thomas


Andrew Chaplin

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Jun 3, 2002, 3:32:45 PM6/3/02
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"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@.dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
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> cas...@mayhem.kiva.net (Geoff Cashman) wrote:
>
> >Result? America drives positively *HUGE* cars compared to what
> >you see in the UK. People routinely drive 2 ton and greater
> >vehicles as their private passenger vehicles...pickup trucks
> >with 4 wheel rear axles, SUVs that can't fit into older home
> >garages and weigh nearly 3 tons, and even sedans that are twice
> >as long as a typical Brit car.
>
> Commonly called "Yank Tanks" in this neck of the woods.

ObSMN "Strassenkreuzer". I called my 1976 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham
"BISMARCK"; 2.5 tons o' fun and a very good "beater" for towing U-hauls full
of piano and a fine winter car, now -- alas -- tens years gone to the
knackers in rural New Brunswick.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out, and
change "home" to "rogers".)

Eugene Griessel

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Jun 3, 2002, 4:48:48 PM6/3/02
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"Andrew Chaplin" <abch...@yourfinger.home.com> wrote:

>ObSMN "Strassenkreuzer". I called my 1976 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham
>"BISMARCK"; 2.5 tons o' fun and a very good "beater" for towing U-hauls full
>of piano and a fine winter car, now -- alas -- tens years gone to the
>knackers in rural New Brunswick.

I remember the frightening experience of driving a Dodge Monaco in the
70s and being able to watch the fuel gauge visibly moving as that
thirsty V8 slurped up the juice.

Scot

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"Tom Huxton" <spam...@tomhuxton.com> wrote in message
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I've no doubt you could. I watched Giant yesterday, Jimmy Dean had stacks
of the stuff.

Scot


Scot

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"24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
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> Because there thick americans and scots you dumb prick.
>

Mr english person, the word you are looking for is "they're" as in "they are",
the "there" you have chosen is not relevant. What a thick english twat.
What a dumb prick. Still, absolutely hilarious, your turn.

Scot

Scot

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<kqr...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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Ah better use of the language, you're showing more understanding, is it
perhaps your second language, first being Norman or French - didn't the
Nazis occupy part of England? Yes that must be it.
Guten nacht.

Scot

Keith Willshaw

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Jun 4, 2002, 12:29:50 PM6/4/02
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"Tom Huxton" <spam...@tomhuxton.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
> news:adg6i7$68a$1...@mayhem.kiva.net...
> >
> > Currently, Americans are paying right around 25p per litre of
> > gas. This assumes a per gal price of $1.40 and .68 British Pounds
> > per US Dollar (current market value according to Yahoo).
> > Ie, Americans are paying about 1/3rd of what Brits pay for
> > gas these days.
> >
>
> Well, don't you get a price break on North Sea crude? Ship us the crude,
> and we'll send back the cheap gas. If your government doesn't like that
> deal.......we'll charge a higher price and ship a free auto with every
> 10,000 gallons purchased. If necessary, we can sell it back below the
cost
> of refining, and write it off as Foreign Aid.
>

You dont understand the oil business too well do you ?

> If you could allow a few competent mathematicians to immigrate, we could
> probably teach THEM the intricacies of finance in a few weeks.
>
>

While you are examining books on finances look up
the section on taxation. Its taxation that makes gasoline
in Europe expensive.

I'm sure if you try hard you'll eventually grasp the concept.

Keith


Tom Huxton

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Jun 4, 2002, 2:48:51 PM6/4/02
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"Keith Willshaw" <keith@kwillshaw_NoSpam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> >
>
> While you are examining books on finances look up
> the section on taxation. Its taxation that makes gasoline
> in Europe expensive.
>
> I'm sure if you try hard you'll eventually grasp the concept.
>
> Keith
>
>

Quite right. We don't consider gasoline taxes as government revenue; our
Road Use Tax included in the purchase price is for highway maintenance,etc.
Taxed gasoline for off road use (farm and airplane use for example) is
rebated. State and federal sales tax is also applied, however.

Sorry you don't understand American humor.


Thomas


Keith Willshaw

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"Tom Huxton" <spam...@tomhuxton.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Keith Willshaw" <keith@kwillshaw_NoSpam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1023208183.21014....@news.demon.co.uk...
> >
> > >
> >
> > While you are examining books on finances look up
> > the section on taxation. Its taxation that makes gasoline
> > in Europe expensive.
> >
> > I'm sure if you try hard you'll eventually grasp the concept.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
>
> Quite right. We don't consider gasoline taxes as government revenue; our
> Road Use Tax included in the purchase price is for highway
maintenance,etc.

Pull the other one its got bells on it.

I lived in the USA long enough to know that federally
imposed gasoline taxes are real and while a good proportion
goes to Highway construction and repair through the Highway Trust Fund
around 1/3 is slated for deficit reduction and that other fractions go
to non highway funds like the Leaking Underground Storage Fund

Where else but on capitol hill would they set up a LUST fund ?

> Taxed gasoline for off road use (farm and airplane use for example) is
> rebated. State and federal sales tax is also applied, however.
>
> Sorry you don't understand American humor.
>

You dont think I understand American humor and your
nation taxes gasoline to raise monet of LUST :)

Keith


Eugene Griessel

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Jun 5, 2002, 9:45:31 AM6/5/02
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cas...@mayhem.kiva.net (Geoff Cashman) wrote:

>In article <1023227048.2066.0...@news.demon.co.uk>,


>Keith Willshaw <keith@kwillshaw_NoSpam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>You dont think I understand American humor and your
>>nation taxes gasoline to raise monet of LUST :)
>>
>

>A project is underway to raise Monet for lust?
>My, what a popular artist.

All those impressionists were quite lusty enough without a tax on
fuel, thank you.

Scot

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:40:50 AM6/9/02
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"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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> In article <yb2L8.740$Z67....@news8-gui.server.ntli.net>,

> Scot <Sc...@anon.com> wrote:
> >
> >Mr english person, the word you are looking for is "they're" as in "they
are",
> >the "there" you have chosen is not relevant. What a thick english twat.
> >What a dumb prick. Still, absolutely hilarious, your turn.
> >
>
> The method in which you use the term "english" is incorrect. Your usage
> implies the adjective form to describe of or relating to the English
> people. In such a case, it should always be capitalized.
>
You do not know the manner in which I used the word, you have
assumed, and incorrectly I may add. Your nationality was not
capitalized on purpose, to get up your nose, which it did.
england is not the be all and end all, the english would have
everyone believe.

> Should I know indicate you are a thick Scottish twat?
> :)

You already have, which is why I was returning the compliment.
More stupidity, you are doing yourself down.
>
> Give up the spelling nit-picks. They're as old as the 'net and still
> as irrelevant.

I'll give up or continue with whatever I choose, it's not for you to
decide. You dumb english bastard.

Scot

Irwell

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:46:24 AM6/10/02
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On 10 Jun 2002 08:06:27 -0500, cas...@mayhem.kiva.net (Geoff Cashman) wrote:

>In article <rOJM8.632$ca2.1...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>,


>Scot <Sc...@anon.com> wrote:
>>You do not know the manner in which I used the word, you have
>>assumed, and incorrectly I may add. Your nationality was not
>>capitalized on purpose, to get up your nose, which it did.
>>england is not the be all and end all, the english would have
>>everyone believe.
>

>A) It's not my nationality. Actually, I'm far more Scottish
>than anything else in terms of background.
>
>B) The fact that you chose to use it incorrectly does not change
>the fact that it was used incorrectly.
>
>C) I personally think you're just trying to cover up your
>own miscue when you attacked someone else on grammar/spelling,
>which is about the oldest stupid trick on Usenet.
>
>-Geoff
>

Maybe he put his kilt on backwards and the sporran
is interfering with his brain.

Frederick G Young

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Jun 23, 2002, 2:05:15 PM6/23/02
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"24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > Brad Meyer
> > "It is history that teaches us to hope"
> > -- R E Lee

>
> It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans.

Which is good measure of the depth of the enmity. Even the History teachers
are affected. That's like the guy who comes in second commenting on the
winner, "He really isn't all that good."
Why can't you just try harder and leave it at that <G>
Frederick

Frederick G Young

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Jul 21, 2002, 8:33:33 AM7/21/02
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He probably thinks Kipling, who coined the term "Great Game", is a guy who
spends a lot of time sleeping.
Frederick

"24915193" <nos...@co.uk> wrote in message

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>
> W. D. Allen Sr. <ball...@adelphia.net> wrote in message

> news:IDPJ8.3032$2Q3.2...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
> > "...It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans...."
> > from nos...@co.uk
> >
> > Let's see...
> >

> > We bailed out Britain TWICE after the Germans kicked their butts. And we


> > accomplished in Afghanistan in three months what they and the Russians
> were
> > never able to do while playing the "Great Game" throughout the almost
> > century long reign of their Queen Victoria.
>

> Pure american fantasy - never happened.
>
> > Meanwhile, they had to cobble together a joke of a scratch fleet and
then
> > mooch US satellite recce data to win against those world beaters, the
> > Argentineans, in the Falklands.
>
> Again, pure American Fantasy.
> Care to name what satellite intelligence the British recieved ?
>
> > Talk about laughing!!!
>
> Yes I am laughing at your total ignorance of history.
>
> > WDA
> >
> > ball...@adelphia.net
> >
> > end


> >
> > "Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message

> > news:ad85e7$ihk$1...@mayhem.kiva.net...
> > > In article <ad8357$klv$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, 24915193
<nos...@co.uk>


> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >It is history that teaches us to laugh at Americans.
> > > >
> > >

> > > If you would laugh at America, you must first laugh at
> > > your own country. I am hard pressed to think of any
> > > nation in the world that has not committed serious errors.
> > > The UK is rather *far* from being immune to such blunders.
> > >
> > > I'd be the first in line to admit the US makes heinous
> > > errors in its dealings. But, I see it as more a condition
> > > of the state of humanity than the state of a nation. We're
> > > flawed creatures, everyone of us. Flawed people lead the
> > > nations, and we stumble, often blindly, into the future.
> > >
> > > -Geoff
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Frederick G Young

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Jul 21, 2002, 8:50:30 AM7/21/02
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When something hits a Yank Tank, the driver says "What was that?" When
something hits a Limey mobile.............. "Squelch". What the US does
today, the UK does tomorrow, maybe, discounting tea breaks.
Frederick

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Frederick G Young

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Jul 21, 2002, 8:56:56 AM7/21/02
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"Geoff Cashman" <cas...@mayhem.kiva.net> wrote in message
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> >You dont think I understand American humor and your
> >nation taxes gasoline to raise monet of LUST :)
> >
>
> A project is underway to raise Monet for lust?
> My, what a popular artist.
>
> -Geoff

I think Monet's wife led that campaign.<G>
Frederick


Ed Reppert

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Jul 21, 2002, 3:44:22 PM7/21/02
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In article <ahe2du$sc8hc$1...@ID-139090.news.dfncis.de>, Frederick G Young
<fyo...@lakefield.net> wrote:

> He probably thinks Kipling, who coined the term "Great Game", is a guy who
> spends a lot of time sleeping.

He is now. :-)

--
Regards,

Ed

Lee Schillinger

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Jul 23, 2002, 12:25:58 AM7/23/02
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A " Yank Tank" is the only vehicle that I saw go through a hedge row. 1970's
Mustang. Rural Wales
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