Interesting reference to HealthScribe/NEXT
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Date: 01/08/2001 8:21:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
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HealthScribe/NEXT Seminar at Calcutta!
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Dear Friends,
Just back from a seminar conducted by HealthScribe and NEXT at
Calcutta. HR does seem to be a problem with all!!
It was interesting to note that HealthScribe wants to project
itself as a Health Care Service provider - not just a MT company.
It is also planning to expand to London, Singapore and Sydney. Also
ESOPs were a future possibility. It was a blessing that the Vice
President HR chose to clear some myths in this city of joy -
awareness and knowledge are the first step to progress.
Mr. Manoj Pachisia, Director NEXT, was also selling hard :). Mostly
on mark, a few statements did surprise me. He stated that his was
the first institute to use doctors to teach the language of
medicine. He also insisted that MT courses in Calcutta were not
exhaustive enough in the number of hours. I want to set the record
straight - he is incorrect on both counts.
He also claimed that since Sept last, Next has placed 700 MTs at
HealthScribe. To my knowledge, HealthScribe was a 350+ strong
company before NEXT forayed into MT. Today I am told it is 800+.
If HealthScribe lost 250 MTs in a span of 15 months, they do need
to reconsider their HR policies.:(
Also of relevance is that it was pitched that HealthScribe will help to prepare
its MTs for the CMT exam and a team would be flown
in to facilitate the test in India. Has it been done till now? Has
AAMT agreed in principle? If so, it would be wise to hold the
test regularly in India and allow all MTs to appear. There are MT
Companies in India who are not HealthScribe and actually do MT.:)
I was amused that the Vice President HR had not heard of MT India
- the brick and mortar world does appear to be far removed from
the clicks....:)
Overall an illuminating Sunday!!
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NEWS AND VIEWS :
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1) Look Who's in Town
Indians work away as the Western world sleeps! This has been the
secret of India's IT success stories. Medical transcription is a
hot subject these days.
A few months ago, the Straatsma family arrived in Chennai where
Pam has taken a job as head of training services and quality
control at Insignia Infotech, a company that specializes in this
field.Having an office in the heart of T-Nagar, she darts across
to Globus to squeeze in some shopping when there's a lull in her
hectic workday.
http://www.globaladjustments.com/nlsep00.html
2) Nidus Center adds TSV to incubator
Founded by three local physicians and a businessman in Bombay,
India, TSV uses digital technology to outsource medical
transcription services overseas. Physicians dictate their reports
into equipment that creates digital files. The files are sent via
a secure Internet site to Bangalore, India, where founder Manish
Patel has a transcription company.
http://www.niduscenter.com/m_arts_html/slbj_9_4_2000.html
3) Leveraging India's strategic importance in infotech
Goldman Sachs Asia predicts that India will have 9 million
Internet users and 400 ISPs by 2003. E-commerce is also taking
off in India. According to IDC India, Indian e-business revenues
will grow from $ 14 million in 1999 to $ 51 million in 2000 and
reach $ 162 million in year 2001.
Value-added 'remote services' like back office operations, call
centres, medical transcription, etc, could some day make India's
$ 3 billion software exports in 1998 look like a paltry figure.
http://www.rediff.com/business/2000/mar/29infot1.htm
4) The Government's Red Carpet
With competitive telecommunication costs, well-developed
infrastructure and a huge pool of English speaking, computer
literate graduates, India rates higher than many other countries
as a hub for IT enabled services including call centers and
medical transcription. The McKinsey study indicated that India
will earn $20 billion in revenues through these services and
create additional employment of one million jobs by 2008. Already
companies like GE Caps, British Airways, Swiss Air and British
Telecom are using Indian companies for these services.
http://adsections.businessweek.com/indian/infotech/indiascarpet.h
tm
5) Even though there are jobs, are you employable?
What's the basic difference between being employed and being
employable? It simply means that one should have the requisite
skills for a particular job. In today's scenario, it simply means
ONGOING education. This could be achieved either by consistently
updating yourself in the area of your work by reading or by
taking relevant modules from reputed institutions or attending
related seminars. Attending a one-time course will not suffice.
It will merely delay the process of being rendered redundant.
It's pointless blaming unscrupulous coaching classes for their
third-grade courses. It's time we exercise caution and take
responsiblity for our own education. "Let college never interfere
with your education," said Francis Bacon. Prophetic words indeed!
http://www.zdnetindia.com/thinktank/columnists/stories/980.html
6) CASHING IN ON THE MT BOOM
Medical Transcription, an IT-enabled industry, is enjoying
exponential growth in India. The industry that had a turn-over of
Rs.140 crores in 1998-99 is expected to generate a turn-over of
Rs.11,000 crores by the year 2008. The number of jobs generated
by this industry during the period would be about 1,60,000 as
against about 4,000 jobs created during 1998-99. This makes MT a
promising prospect for both entrepreneurs and professionals.
http://www.startupbazaar.com/b_oppmt.htm
7) America Talks, India Types Up
In the meantime, even the American Association of Medical
Transcription welcomes the advent of the industry in India. There
are an estimated 250,000 medical scribes in the U.S., not enough to
meet demand, says Claudia Tessier, executive director of the
association. The workload will only rise as nurses, social workers
and dieticians seek transcription services. "Everyone has a
backlog, says Marge Parker, president of the Florida Association
for Medical Transcriptionists. "We can't keep up."
http://www.utoledo.edu/~pfritz/_news/NEWS-937.HTM
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Gdubson
language of
>medicine.
Pardon me while I break out into a nice, juicy laugh.
Gisele
JesusLuvMe
<In the meantime, even the American Association of Medical
Transcription welcomes the advent of the industry in India>
Is it true????????
D
Do you REALLY know what you are talking about???? Are you sure?
Becky Young
an AAMT member so I can't swear to it, only that I believe it to be true.
>I found this quote interesting and wonder where they got this information.
>
><In the meantime, even the American Association of Medical
>Transcription welcomes the advent of the industry in India>
>
>Is it true????????
>D
Becky Young
Little Rock, Arkansas
To reply by e-mail, take out the bad stuff!
KMitch429
dues go up? Surely they can scarf some dues from those overseas too and keep
the dues down globally........
Julianne Weight
wrote:
It's a liberal interpretation and broad journalistic license on the
part of the writer. The actual quote attributable to AAMT (in the form
of Claudia Tessier) was that there are 250,000 MTs in the US, not
enough to meet the demand.
This is the famous "Wall Street Journal" article that caused such a
brouhaha when it came out.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Julianne Weight
Regardless of the # of members, it costs a fixed amount per member to
provide services.
I realize that, as health care workers, we seem to accept the
healthcare financial paradigm of "we're not making any money, but we
make up for it in volume," but a look at all the hospitals and large
medical groups that are floundering financially because they've based
their profit margins on this scale should give you a good idea that it
doesn't work in any aspect of business.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
RaeMorrill
fly to any cities here to help people. In fact, many people still have to go to
another state to take practical. Wonder if this is true?
<<Also of relevance is that it was pitched that HealthScribe will help to
prepare
its MTs for the CMT exam and a team would be flown
in to facilitate the test in India. Has it been done till now? Has
AAMT agreed in principle? I
Rae Morrill in Maine
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Gdubson
>another state to take practical. Wonder if this is true?
Why would anyone go to another state to take the practical? I took it about 2
miles from my home office.
Gisele
GoodThing
>2
>miles from my home office.
>
Because of the location of the testing centers that AAMT has contracted with.
It's a Good Thing......:)
Love, Martha
Becky Young
fly to Dallas. They didn't allow off-site testing then. They had certain test
sites and you got there the best way you could. I understand there's another
system in place now.
>Why would anyone go to another state to take the practical? I took it about
>2
>miles from my home office.
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>If this is true re AAMT there is some special treatment going on. AAMT does not
>fly to any cities here to help people. In fact, many people still have to go to
>another state to take practical. Wonder if this is true?
I was told by a representative at MTCC, that companies in India are
told to make whatever arrangements they can with the company the MTCC
contracts with for the written portion of the exam.
>HealthScribe will help to prepare
>its MTs for the CMT exam and a team would be flown
>in to facilitate the test in India
The way I read this, the team being referred to is a team of people
from HS.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
RaeMorrill
>another state to take practical. Wonder if this is true?
Why would anyone go to another state to take the practical? I took it about 2
miles from my home office.
Sorry, I meant written.
GoodThing
>
In some instances, yes. AAMT, as you know, contracts with a vendor for their
written test services. In my situation, that was over an hour away. For others
who live in a more rural area, then it could be out-of-state; and let's not
forget their transcription test requirements, which basically state that you
have to take the test out of a home office and at a "real" place of business.
That, to me, would entail moving my entire hard drive and my reference books,
all to get a certification by an agency who calls theirself American, and
sleeps with Indians, and wants one-third more for me this year in May when my
membership expires. I've been a member for years and the last thing that this
organization has so-called done for me was to get MT classified in itself out
of clerical. Not a big jump as far as I'm concerned. The Hayes study is
completely useless and the JAAMT is geared for nothing but beginners.
It's a FACT that they dumbed down the CMT test for the Indians that last time
that HealthScribe coordinated a shindig for their Indian MT, and when I posted
this a few years ago, I was slammed pretty hard regarding this because I
refused to give my source. And I still won't, no matter what. Those of you that
know me also know I'm not blowing smoke on this one either.
Gisele, I'm definitely waiting your pro-AAMT stance on this and same with you
Julie. You are still respected colleagues, although you are wrong on this issue
<G>
Gisele - you have a great chapter where you are at apparently but that is not
the norm.
Jules - you know how we clash over this <G>
Bambi - don't even go there with me <G>
Gdubson
>It's a Good Thing......:)
>
>Love, Martha
>
Youj must be thinking of the written exam, not the practical.
Gisele
Gdubson
You will never, not ever, get me to believe this.
Gisele (happy CMT)
GoodThing
Either/or Gisele, it's at least an hour for me, one-way.
GoodThing
>source.
>
>You will never, not ever, get me to believe this.
>
>
And I also know when I'm being baited. My rose-colored glasses were burned a
very long time ago Gisele. You are the only MT that I know of in the history of
all of AAMT who has had a positive networking experience and has had the
organization work for the, besides the MTs that sleep with the Indians.
Gdubson
I'm not baiting anyone, just saying I'm a happy customer. The world of MT is a
tough one, but I imagine that's true of all businesses.
Gisele
pi...@millenicom.com
examination I suspect. The written is taken at various testing centers
and there probably are many smaller cities that do not have one
locally. The practical can be taken at a wide variety of places (except
your own home of course, that is still a big no-no and my number one
gripe about it), getting a proctor is the trickier part. I think Julie
is right, this sounds like a reference to H.S. making arrangements with
the people who run the testing center portion of the test since neither
MTCC nor AAMT have anything to do with that end of it other than
creating the test itself.
Nae
In article <20010108142052...@ng-fj1.aol.com>,
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
GoodThing
that is completely beyond me. You are either for Americans and their jobs or
against them. Riding the fence won't cut it in this issue. I can ride the fence
with the best of them because I do feel for the Indian women that are being
exploited by the scum Indian businessmen; however, when it takes food off of my
table, then that's a different story and I have just as much of a right to
fight for my family's well-being as the Indians do. And, I will fight.
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>In some instances, yes. AAMT, as you know, contracts with a vendor for their
>written test services. In my situation, that was over an hour away. For others
>who live in a more rural area, then it could be out-of-state; and let's not
>forget their transcription test requirements, which basically state that you
>have to take the test out of a home office and at a "real" place of business.
>That, to me, would entail moving my entire hard drive and my reference books,
>all to get a certification by an agency who calls theirself American, and
>sleeps with Indians, and wants one-third more for me this year in May when my
>membership expires. I've been a member for years and the last thing that this
>organization has so-called done for me was to get MT classified in itself out
>of clerical. Not a big jump as far as I'm concerned. The Hayes study is
>completely useless and the JAAMT is geared for nothing but beginners.
Cindy, you aren't the only person who presumes, so I'm going to
address anyone who wants to be as bored out of their skull as I am
today -- testament to that being that I'll rise and respond to this.
If I wasn't so damn bored, I'd just keep working.
The Hay study may be useless TO YOU -- that doesn't mean it's useless.
The JAAMT may be geared for beginners -- do we ignore them because you
aren't one any longer? It's a big field and there are a lot of people
at a lot of stages. What serves someone else may not do a thing for
you, but don't dismiss it as useless. I thought the word help at AAMT
was useless and not worth the expense -- then I talked with MTs who
say they use it at least once a week and that's the only reason they
retain their membership. Just because I never use it and likely never
will isn't a good reason for writing it off -- there are about 6,999
other MTs to take into consideration when making those kinds of
decisions.
If you find nothing of value in it, by all means -- get out. But don't
presume that it's worthless to everyone.
>It's a FACT that they dumbed down the CMT test for the Indians that last time
>that HealthScribe coordinated a shindig for their Indian MT, and when I posted
>this a few years ago, I was slammed pretty hard regarding this because I
>refused to give my source. And I still won't, no matter what. Those of you that
>know me also know I'm not blowing smoke on this one either.
As I've said, show me the proof and I'll believe it. Otherwise, it's
an unsubstantiated rumor and I don't care who is spreading it.
>Love, Martha
Explain the Martha thing.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
MizGriz
>
> Bambi - don't even go there with me <G>
What? Where we goin? I'm going on a Girlfriends trip to the Bahamas....you
wanna go THERE? LOL!!
I'm back subscribing to total MT complacence so don't look for any
eye-opening AAMT support or dissension on my part.
I'm doing MT just for "fun" now.....my energies are focused in other areas
of my life these days.
Bambi
Julianne Weight
wrote:
I've asked for substantiation here before that American MTs are having
to leave MT because of offshore transcription. Nobody's come forth and
provided it. The fact is the demand does exceed the supply and losing
an account to an offshore company doesn't put MTs out of work.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>I'm doing MT just for "fun" now.....
Do you give lessons on how to make it fun?
I'm still bored, and I have work to do. <G>
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
GoodThing
>an account to an offshore company doesn't put MTs out of work.
Jules, a very well-known national MT company, actually the largest, have
alliances with Indian MT companies. Once those get off of the ground, the
American MTs are standing in the unemployment line. There are plenty of
American MTs and it's a shame that the national companies don't nuture them as
they do the Indian MTs. But then again, we are both smart enough to know that
it's all about the balance sheet.
As far as naming my source, no way. I know it to be true and it's very
revealing too. During the dumbing down of the CMT test, HS really covered their
arse on that one.
Martha, it's a joke.
It's all about cash. Bambi stated that we will become more of editors. The
thought of cleaning up Indian crap is not appealing to me in the least. I won't
make as much and be reduced down to a semi-glorified secretary. No thanks.
Sooner or later, somebody and hopefully a lot of people will speak up for
quality and confidentiality. I've seen the work from India and the majority of
it is shit.
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>Jules, a very well-known national MT company, actually the largest, have
>alliances with Indian MT companies. Once those get off of the ground, the
>American MTs are standing in the unemployment line. There are plenty of
>American MTs and it's a shame that the national companies don't nuture them as
>they do the Indian MTs. But then again, we are both smart enough to know that
>it's all about the balance sheet.
Keep in mind that all of the top 5 companies combined constitute less
than 10% of the total market share. If we believe newspaper reports
that India has fewer than 1000 MTs in production, then double that for
Phillipines and Ireland -- oh heck, let's be totally reckless and
QUADRUPLE it -- and the combined productivity of all offshore MTs is
less than 5% of the total market share, and that's not taking into
consideration that 3 Indian MTs = 1 US MT in productivity. Are you
really trying to say that a 15% share of the market is a threat to the
employment of US workers? Let's say it doubles in the next five years.
The amount of documentation required is supposed to quadruple -- we
still aren't keeping up with the demand.
What may put MTs in the unemployment line is technology, long before
offshore MT ever does. And it will only do it to those who shouldn't
be in MT in the first place -- the ones in any country who are
churning out crap, cherry picking, and refusing to know more about
technology than it takes to turn on the computer, transcribe and
print.
There are not plenty of American MTs. Most people smart enough to be
an MT are smart enough to know they don't want to do it. Entry into
the field is difficult, the training period is long and expensive for
both parties -- hardly conducive to retention when there are easier
jobs that pay just as well.
>Sooner or later, somebody and hopefully a lot of people will speak up for
>quality and confidentiality. I've seen the work from India and the majority of
>it is shit.
Same could be said for a lot of what comes out of this country. Either
way, I don't like it, but let's not climb on any high horses. Shit is
still shit, no matter where it originates.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>As far as naming my source, no way. I know it to be true and it's very
>revealing too. During the dumbing down of the CMT test, HS really covered their
>arse on that one.
OK, you're not going to reveal your sources -- but can you explain to
me the motivation for AAMT to be involved in this? Or even HS, for
that matter, being as how everyone pretty much agrees the CMT doesn't
net much in this business.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
MizGriz
which I'm required to do to keep myself in the lifestyle to which I've
become accustomed, I can go do the REALLY fun stuff like dancing, shopping,
partying, and hanging out----oh and staring at these damn boxes :-)
Send me your work JW--- I'll have it knocked out in no time!
--
Bambi
"Julianne Weight" <jul...@alphabest.communicatewithme> wrote in message
news:3a5a5a4c...@news.pacbell.net...
MizGriz
> >Sooner or later, somebody and hopefully a lot of people will speak up for
> >quality and confidentiality. I've seen the work from India and the
majority of
> >it is shit.
Julie says......
> Same could be said for a lot of what comes out of this country. Either
> way, I don't like it, but let's not climb on any high horses. Shit is
> still shit, no matter where it originates.
>
Bambi says......
Well said JW! And so very true. Like I said above however, I'm seeing some
pretty impressive stuff. And we're talking some docs that truely suck!
I typed these accounts before I QA'd them and while I *could* type them on a
daily basis...no way do I want to. You know, that typical cardiologist who
thinks he's cute slurring everything into one sentence while exhaling?
There are pods in India that are seriously fostering QUALITY. Where they
are concerned with confidentiality. Mix in that they are using new
technology and baby you're spelling a successful venture.
Cindy if the docs aren't bitching about the quality of the shoddy US MTs,
what makes you think they'll complain about it from elsewhere?
That's where I see the editor niche being a very real (did I mention
b-o-r-i-n-g) one.
Now would Simon please chime in??
RaeMorrill
use it, though. Far better to get a free ISP and use this forum or pay 10 bucks
a month (less than AAMT) and bring your own access to AOL. There and on other
forums, answers are received usually in minutes, not hours, and certainly not
the next day. First (and only maybe they took me off after they realized I
quit) drug update the AAMT sent out contained a major error on a drug.
>>I thought the word help at AAMT
was useless and not worth the expense -- then I talked with MTs who
say they use it at least once a week and that's the only reason they
retain their membership.
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>I've posed a question or two in the past. I can't understand why anyone would
>use it, though. Far better to get a free ISP and use this forum or pay 10 bucks
>a month (less than AAMT) and bring your own access to AOL. There and on other
>forums, answers are received usually in minutes, not hours, and certainly not
>the next day. First (and only maybe they took me off after they realized I
>quit) drug update the AAMT sent out contained a major error on a drug.
Like I said, Rae -- just because you don't get any benefit from it
doesn't mean nobody does. Some employers don't allow their people
Internet access at work and not every MT is an IC working at home.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
RaeMorrill
Like I said, Rae -- just because you don't get any benefit from it
doesn't mean nobody does. Some employers don't allow their people
Internet access at work and not every MT is an IC working at home.
>>
Guess if they have time to wait.. and are happy to take only one opinion...
pi...@millenicom.com
don't understand this sentence on your service website..."The volume of
our transcriptionists are Certified Medical Transcriptionists" or is
that just a sales tactic?
As for that hoo-haw about the dumbing down. Give me some facts,
figures, documented proof, and then ask me to believe it. Otherwise it
really is nothing more than just another unsubstantiated rumor. If I
was to post something like that here on SMT you would certainly expect
me to be able to back it up, so I don't think you should be surprised
that we ask the same of you before we jump on the band wagon.
Nae
In article <20010108172729...@ng-fk1.aol.com>,
GoodThing
>our transcriptionists are Certified Medical Transcriptionists
Most of my ICs are of their own accord. It was a personal goal for them and I
respect that Nae.
Mlkcmt
>all of AAMT who has had a positive networking experience and has had the
>organization work for the,
Cindy,
Now you know of two.
Margie Kahn, CMT
Gdubson
>
>Most of my ICs are of their own accord. It was a personal goal for them and I
>respect that Nae.
What does being an independent contractor have to do with being a CMT?
Gisele
Gdubson
Gisele
RaeMorrill
though I have heard rumors. I believe you'd said you knew it to be true, but
how is this any different? Cindy has promised not to name a source, she can
hardly do so. Smoke usually equals fire, especially when it is something that
fits the overall picture of how AAMT has snuggled down next to India, all the
while asserting they are neutral.
<<If I
was to post something like that here on SMT you would certainly expect
me to be able to back it up, so I don't think you should be surprised
that we ask the same of you before we jump on the band wagon.
Gdubson
The smoke in this case is coming from American MTs who think the Indians will
beat them out of a job.
Gisele
GoodThing
>beat them out of a job.
If that was directed towards me, you are way off there. I do not consider the
Indians a threat. Never have and never will. The only thing that yanks my chain
about these people is their so-called SOTE "businessmen" calling me at 2 a.m.
to wish me a Merry Christmas, I pop off on them, and tell them that I will
never outsource that way, only to be called a bigot, get hung up on, and this
is on my 800 line. I get calls almost daily from individual MDs from India
living here trying to do MT, and get the same crap of why I won't give them a
job. Well, I don't have to!
The only thing that the Indians will do is hurt the professional American MT
from the, and I'll use a PC word here (gag), cost-conscious clients by
undercutting and that, will cause damage. I raise my rates accordingly and pass
that to my ICs but anymore, it's almost like pulling teeth.
India does not trade fair with America either so in essence, this global
economy thing blows.
If anybody is blowing smoke, it's AAMT and I had the honor of experiencing that
personally from them just a few days ago. To quote a dear friend of mine, it
was a classic case of dodge ball.
RaeMorrill
they were inside the U.S. you could probably take action using
telecommunications laws to stop the harrassment.
Goes to show they have not a clue
<<The only thing that yanks my chain
about these people is their so-called SOTE "businessmen" calling me at 2 a.m.
to wish me a Merry Christmas, I pop off on them, and tell them that I will
never outsource that way, only to be called a bigot, get hung up on, and this
is on my 800 line. I get calls almost daily from individual MDs from India
living here trying to do MT, and get the same crap of why I won't give them a
job. Well, I don't have to!
Rae Morrill in Maine
GoodThing
>was to post something like that here on SMT you would certainly expect
>me to be able to back it up, so I don't think you should be surprised
>that we ask the same of you before we jump on the band wagon.
Even journalists can write articles on anon sources and you know...if the shoe
fits.....
GoodThing
>
Who knows but the majority of my ICs have taken this route. As stated earlier,
that is their choice and I respect it. When I polled them, it was personal
reasons why they chose to take the test. I adore my ICs but some of them still
have the rose-colored glasses on when it comes to AAMT. As soon as they have to
go a political round with them, that will change.
GoodThing
>fits the overall picture of how AAMT has snuggled down next to India, all the
>while asserting they are neutral.
Ya know Rae. I'm still trying to figure that one out myself of how an
organization can remain neutral and yet welcome? Enlighten me please <G> Even I
can see by reading the JAAMT that AAMT is not neutral, considering the only
Indian-related articles that they print are pro-India. This doesn't take a
rocket scientist ladies. You want facts? Remember reading about per AAMT how
their membership has dropped. Hummmm, I wonder why?
GoodThing
>the people who run the testing center portion of the test since neither
>MTCC nor AAMT have anything to do with that end of it other than
>creating the test itself.
BINGO! Now you listen very carefully. Making arrangements, tests, AAMT creating
the tests, and other entities administering the tests, not to mention Indians
have some cash. Is a light bulb going off yet? Powerhouse MT company behind
this administering the test. AAMT losing membership in the US. Hello?
GoodThing
>me the motivation for AAMT to be involved in this?
Sure.....$$$$$$$$$$$$.
GoodThing
>an account to an offshore company doesn't put MTs out of work.
Jules - no way. If I lose a large client due to an Indian MT company coming in
at a lower price; who gets let go? My American MTs. The demand does not exceed
the supply and that is such a convenient excuse. It's cheaper and that's the
bottom line. If the big NCs would nuture the thousands of American graduates
from MT schools like they do the Indian companies and MTs, it would be a
different picture.
There are so many alliances out there between American MT schools and Indians,
along with the big NCs making that a whole other nauseating scenario at its
best.
GoodThing
>>its MTs for the CMT exam and a team would be flown
>>in to facilitate the test in India
>
>The way I read this, the team being referred to is a team of people
>from HS.
Yes, exactly, and how do we know how honest this is all going to turn out?
You've been around the block and you know this Jules.
TypeAMT
knowledge and authority. BTW, what does "SOTE" businessmen mean? Thanx.
Antoinette
>>The smoke in this case is coming from American MTs who think the Indians will
beat them out of a job.
>Gisele
>>If that was directed towards me, you are way off there. I do not consider the
Indians a threat. Never have and never will. The only thing that yanks my chain
about these people is their so-called SOTE "businessmen" calling me at 2 a.m.
to wish me a Merry Christmas, I pop off on them, and tell them that I will
never outsource that way, only to be called a bigot, get hung up on, and this
is on my 800 line. I get calls almost daily from individual MDs from India
living here trying to do MT, and get the same crap of why I won't give them a
job. Well, I don't have to!
>The only thing that the Indians will do is hurt the professional American MT
from the, and I'll use a PC word here (gag), cost-conscious clients by
undercutting and that, will cause damage. I raise my rates accordingly and pass
that to my ICs but anymore, it's almost like pulling teeth.
>India does not trade fair with America either so in essence, this global
economy thing blows.
>If anybody is blowing smoke, it's AAMT and I had the honor of experiencing
that personally from them just a few days ago. To quote a dear friend of mine,
it was a classic case of dodge ball.
>Love, Martha
Gdubson
>can see by reading the JAAMT that AAMT is not neutral, considering the only
>Indian-related articles that they print are pro-India.
That's because someone took the time and trouble to write those articles.
Gisele
Gdubson
>shoe fits.....
>
an editor who can vouch for your use of anonymous source?
Gisele
Gdubson
>go a political round with them, that will change.
>
Yeah, keep a good thought!
Gisele
GoodThing
>Antoinette
I made it up. SOTE = Scum of the earth.
GoodThing
And when one takes the time and trouble to write an anti-India articles to
AAMT, very PC worded, of course, it does not get published.
GoodThing
>of
>an editor who can vouch for your use of anonymous source?
>
Oh Gisele... you know I don't have any type of journalist's credentials and as
far as my source...I'm taking that one to the grave. Sorry and if that means
that I'm not trusted or believed in this instance, then so be it and that's
okay. But if some AAMT diehards would chisel their eyes open, the light comes
in pretty brightly.
I've got a wide variety of putty knives in my barn.
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>>That's because someone took the time and trouble to write those articles.
>
>And when one takes the time and trouble to write an anti-India articles to
>AAMT, very PC worded, of course, it does not get published.
You've submitted one and it's been rejected?
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>> but can you explain to
>>me the motivation for AAMT to be involved in this?
>
>Sure.....$$$$$$$$$$$$.
How does AAMT benefit financially from a bunch of MTs in India taking
the test?
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>>The fact is the demand does exceed the supply and losing
>>an account to an offshore company doesn't put MTs out of work.
>
>Jules - no way. If I lose a large client due to an Indian MT company coming in
>at a lower price; who gets let go? My American MTs. The demand does not exceed
>the supply and that is such a convenient excuse. It's cheaper and that's the
>bottom line. If the big NCs would nuture the thousands of American graduates
>from MT schools like they do the Indian companies and MTs, it would be a
>different picture.
Cindy, you could lose an account to the service across the street and
your MTs would be out of work. I have a great deal of confidence in
your marketing and business skills, however. I find it difficult to
believe that when faced with competition that constitutes 5% of the
market share, you would have any trouble whatsoever finding another
account.
I'm sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree that demand exceeds
supply. Certainly, there seems to be no end to BAD transcriptionists
-- I'm talking about REAL transcriptionists.
No argument from me that they'd get better return on investment if
they would work with the students in this country.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
GoodThing
>the test?
>
Jules - we need to talk more!!!!
How they benefit? More money for individual and corporate membership. You know
this. Or are you trying to just get my temper going? <G>
GoodThing
>
Of course!
Julianne Weight
wrote:
It's been my experience that a very small minority of
transcriptionists have a problem with offshore transcription. AAMT's
mission statement includes all transcriptionists; it is blind as to
religious beliefs, color, ethnic background or country of origin.
Membership in AAMT hasn't been dropping in recent years, it's been on
a slow, but steady increase. It is expected to drop this year because
of the dues increase.
This all reminds me of a question I once asked the inhouse MTs at a
hospital. I said "Is Dr. So-and-so foreign?" I asked because he had a
"foreign-sounding" name and I couldn't understand a word he said. The
reply was, "Only if you consider New York a foreign country."
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
GoodThing
>your MTs would be out of work.
Honestly, I did in February 2000 of a 40,000 lines week client for .04 on the
65-character line. To this day, I still receive calls about provider's
hollering about quality, TA time, and where their STAT reports are. It's not my
problem.
It was a bean counter issue to begin with, Americans against Americans. Now add
the Indian factor....we're all screwed eventually. AAMT ties or not.
GoodThing
>mission statement includes all transcriptionists; it is blind as to
>religious beliefs, color, ethnic background or country of origin.
And I've got some land to sell you too.
> asked because he had a
>"foreign-sounding" name and I couldn't understand a word he said. The
>reply was, "Only if you consider New York a foreign country."
Okay Jules, when I'm in CA, I'm going to LA, as I've always gotten a thrill out
of that den of iniquity, bring you some raunchy NY wine, you know, the less
then the 5% reputable stuff wishing that you were on a major freeway (I-5
sounds cool) next to a jackhammer and gang-related signs, and torture you to
chanting of, AAMT sucks, they lie, they blow chunks of Indian cows and "remain
neutral." Claudia is god....
For the record, I'm in upstate NY, not NYC, and we are pretty much two
different states. Who the hell do you think voted for Billary!? Not us farmer
types. You should see the bumper stickers we have against her in farm county.
Would toss your CA mentality into a stroke <G>
Did me until I figured out I loved my John Deere even more.
RaeMorrill
Let's see <eyes closed> I'm betting in the next couple of posts (which I
haven't read yet) there is one in there saying this is because you (or I) have
not written one.
Maybe I can get a job on the Psychic MT Network
RaeMorrill
That's because someone took the time and trouble to write those articles.>
That does it... I don't need this slave labor when I could read cards and
predict the future for 2.99 /minute
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>How they benefit? More money for individual and corporate membership. You know
>this. Or are you trying to just get my temper going? <G>
>It's a Good Thing......:)
I'm not getting the connection. You don't have to be a member to take
the test and be a CMT.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
GoodThing
>haven't read yet) there is one in there saying this is because you (or I)
>have
>not written one.
>
Oh Rae. I'm so bummed and disappointed! I actually did write, submit, and was
rejected. I even had two, third parties tone me down and PC me so much to where
I didn't even recognize the original article!
But then again, I wasn't material for HOD when I thought that AAMT just might
give a rat's.
It's a Good Thing......:)
Love, Martha
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>>You've submitted one and it's been rejected?
Send it to me -- we'll co-author it and resubmit it.
Maybe you had references to snake worship?
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
RaeMorrill
How does AAMT benefit financially from a bunch of MTs in India taking
the test?
>
You mean they test for free? I am not buying they lose money on CMT testing
first of all. Secondly, the more CMTs they can list, the better they look (or
think they look)
GoodThing
>
Only Indians snake worship luv.
RaeMorrill
I'm sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree that demand exceeds
supply. Certainly, there seems to be no end to BAD transcriptionists
-- I'm talking about REAL transcriptionists.
>
And after 20 years U.S. MTs have little more respect than they did before AAMT.
It is a profession without standards, by which I mean it is completely
unregulated. AAMT may have its definition COMPRO or whatever they call it, but
it means jack in the real world. Anyone can say they are an MT. If you are a
good one and want to work a certain way, you'll find you get no credence from
anyone because they don't recognize any standard. Oh.. just type what they
say...
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>Okay Jules, when I'm in CA, I'm going to LA, as I've always gotten a thrill out
>of that den of iniquity, bring you some raunchy NY wine, you know, the less
>then the 5% reputable stuff wishing that you were on a major freeway (I-5
>sounds cool) next to a jackhammer and gang-related signs, and torture you to
>chanting of, AAMT sucks, they lie, they blow chunks of Indian cows and "remain
>neutral." Claudia is god....
I know this will come as a surprise, but I don't agree with everything
AAMT says or does. I just particularly don't believe this particular
accusation and absent your willingness to provide details, I will
probably never believe it.
>For the record, I'm in upstate NY, not NYC, and we are pretty much two
>different states. Who the hell do you think voted for Billary!? Not us farmer
>types. You should see the bumper stickers we have against her in farm county.
>Would toss your CA mentality into a stroke <G>
>Did me until I figured out I loved my John Deere even more.
Actually, the reference to the doctor was to make a point that with
the great melting pot that is America, the Internet and mailboxes, you
never KNOW where someone is "from," or even where they currently live.
You certainly can't go by names or speech. Jose Weinstein -- is he
Jewish or Latin American? (Both, actually.) Anjie Biswas -- American,
or Indian? (Both, actually.) Susie Sanchez -- white, blue eyes, speaks
Spanish but only because she took it in high school. My cousin, Bret
Smith, lives and works in South America, speaks Spanish like a native
because he was raised in South America and Europe.
Just think -- you could have Indians working for you, using an
American front, and you'd never even know it.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
GoodThing
>American front, and you'd never even know it.
>
Ah, no. People have attempted to take me down that road before and I'm a
smarter cookie than that.
Anyway, with regard to the rest of your statements and issues, we can discuss
those next month when I come home. I take it that your hot tub will be warmed
for me?
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>Anyway, with regard to the rest of your statements and issues, we can discuss
>those next month when I come home. I take it that your hot tub will be warmed
>for me?
Hot tub -- cold wine -- but I warn you, I don't cook. <G>
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Gdubson
>AAMT, very PC worded, of course, it does not get published.
>
Gisele
Mlkcmt
>Hot tub -- cold wine -- but I warn you, I don't cook. <G>
>
I DO...I DO...(but I don't clean up afterward). Can I join you?
Margie
GoodThing
That's what $200 write-off dinners are for luv. <G>
GoodThing
Yes Gisele.
Julianne Weight
>>
>>Hot tub -- cold wine -- but I warn you, I don't cook. <G>
>>
>
>I DO...I DO...(but I don't clean up afterward). Can I join you?
We have children for cleaning up -- they bribe easily. Yeah, come on
down!
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>>- but I warn you, I don't cook. <G>
>
>That's what $200 write-off dinners are for luv. <G>
Gladstone's on the Beach -- ever been there?
My mouth is watering, just thinking about it.
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
RaeMorrill
think they beter explain why. WHat possible reason could there be to publish an
opposing view IF THEY ARE NEUTRAL
>>Oh Rae. I'm so bummed and disappointed! I actually did write, submit, and was
rejected. I even had two, third parties tone me down and PC me so much to where
I didn't even recognize the original article!
Rae Morrill in Maine
RaeMorrill
Send it to me -- we'll co-author it and resubmit it.
Maybe you had references to snake worship?
a.
A little late now isn't it... after all the alleged informed vote is in.
Secondly (and I was urged to write an article as well) does one only get
published if a) they are known as an AAMT sympathizer and b) if the article
agrees with their position.
MizGriz
date Cindy?
--
Bambi, who really needs a hot tub/cold wine...........even if I gotta fly
across the country to get it.
"Julianne Weight" <jul...@alphabest.communicatewithme> wrote in message
news:3a5d1edd...@news.pacbell.net...
RaeMorrill
>Maybe you had references to snake worship?
>
Only Indians snake worship luv.>
Oooohh <family feud mode on> GOOD ANSWER GOOD ANSWER....
RaeMorrill
Hot tub -- cold wine -- but I warn you, I don't cook. <G>
Who needs to cook if it is Martha? She can probably turn hot dogs into some
exotic dish
RaeMorrill
>Has this happened to you?
Yes Gisele.>
Okay, so either they won't publish anything anti-India or Cindy is lying? You
want to call it?
MAS
> That does it... I don't need this slave labor when I could read cards and
> predict the future for 2.99 /minute
But ya have to offer the first three minutes free (GDR)....
Marsha
TypeAMT
>>Antoinette
>>I made it up. SOTE = Scum of the earth.
>>Love, Martha
Oh. Thank you very much (she said in an Andy Kaufman accent!)
Antoinette
Gdubson
>want to call it?
I would want to see the article she wrote.
Gisele
Gdubson
Which you did not write. Go ahead write it! If they don't publish, then you
will have something to make some real noise about.
Gisele
RaeMorrill
>Okay, so either they won't publish anything anti-India or Cindy is lying? You
>want to call it?
I would want to see the article she wrote.>
I'm really glad I never bothered to attempt this. If you ask them for
confirmation, they will probably say it is confidential... so there is not any
proof of an attempt.Hence, to the Step... er AAMT fans, no one has ever tried.
It is not a position that can be proven from this side. Cindy can post ithere
and then it will be ... oh, you just wrote it or.. oh.. you never submitted
it.. or..
RaeMorrill
Which you did not write. Go ahead write it! If they don't publish, then you
will have something to make some real noise about.
>
And my proof of writing it and having it rejected would be what? One's word is
not enough, that has been established.
Secondly, I know they'd never publish me. How many sentences does it take to
says wrong, immoral, unethical. un-American, etc. AAMT still insists on keeping
the A as an opening initial, rather than I (international). I joined the AAMT
10 years ago. I quit it this year. Hope they waste a lot of postage on me...
now have at least two attempts to get me back... but
They really pissed me off by having my phone # show in the address window. How
inappropriate and sloppy. Maybe I will start just sending back refused.. or
maybe I will let them continue to waste their $$ on me. They are missing
someone... ME? LOL what a pathetic crock of media blitz crap
Melinda Meahan
> That's because someone took the time and trouble to write those articles.>
>
> That does it... I don't need this slave labor when I could read cards and
> predict the future for 2.99 /minute
ROTFLSHIWMP!!!!!!!
Melinda Meahan
> Anyway, with regard to the rest of your statements and issues, we can discuss
> those next month when I come home. I take it that your hot tub will be warmed
> for me?
no, no, NOOOOOOO!!!! Save it for March, Cindy, and Julie will be up here, we can
talk Janice into coming, and we can scare up a few others.
Melinda Meahan
> How does AAMT benefit financially from a bunch of MTs in India taking
> the test?
I am not touching this argument with a ten-foot pole but will comment
that it is more impressive if you can say your "professional
organization" has more people in it.
RaeMorrill
organization" has more people in it.
>>
Bingo! Exactly. Plenty of "off the wall" organizations exist that one can join
simply by sending in dues. Just because you belong to the U.S.A. Association of
Roofers (this is meant to be an example and I don't know if there is such) does
not necessarily mean you even know how to get up on a roof. Joining the AAMT
you are supposed to be a practitioner (unless you join on another level like
student), but it isn't anything they have any way of verifying that I know of.
So, if you choose to lie... or (maybe worse) you thinks you is an MT because
you type for one doctor who pays you minimum wage), you can join up.
RaeMorrill
LOL> Am I good or what... in the very next post no less <G> Course my cat is
psychic too.... she sees you starting to undress or any other body language
that indicates to her you're headed into the bathroom, she races ahead of you,
hops up on toilet, then jumps over to sink to await the cherished drink of
FRESH water when you turn on the tap.
ROTFLSHIWMP!!!!!!!
Rae Morrill in Maine
JesusLuvMe
>psychic too.... she sees you starting to undress or any other body language
>that indicates to her you're headed into the bathroom, she races ahead of
>you,
>hops up on toilet, then jumps over
>to sink to await the cherished drink of
>FRESH water when you turn on the tap.
>
I solved that problem...my cats, the spoiled little brats that they are...have
their OWN CUP in the bathroom on the counter that we fill up with fresh water
throughout the day. They lap water to their hearts content all day long. Do I
spoil them or what!
D
Do you REALLY know what you are talking about???? Are you sure?