What do you think of having another political party?
Judity
Since so many conservative Republicans lately seem to want to distance
themselves from the more moderate ones, could this be the beginning of
a new party officially called Conservatives
Personally, I think it's a great idea, but then I'm not a big fan of
Palin, Limbaugh, or Beck. As someone who was a Republican most of my
voting life, it really makes me sad to see how fractured that party
has become because of people like them.
I'm not a Democrat by any means and simply voted for President Obama
because he gave me hope that he is an honest politician. I know,
that's an oxymoron, but I still believe he means well.
So, would a new Conservative party be a good or bad idea?
Judity
Barbara Carlson
must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party candidate
would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
Like you I am NOT a democrat. But I am also very much no longer a
Republican. I think what I am is a fiscally responsible liberal because I
strongly agree with many liberal issues as far as human issues are
concerned, but fiscally I am and always have been a conservative. I
actually admire McCain, but felt he was too old, and had no grasp of the
economic issues at the time, and then when he picked Palin for his Vice
President candidate he completely lose me.
A serious third party candidate may well be in the future, but it would
cause a lot of problems.
Barb C.
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Petro Gibraltar
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> It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
> must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party
> candidate would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
>
Better go read the Constitution. There's no provision for a run-off.
Doug Jones
Exactly. It goes to the House of Representatives in that case. We
already had a fairly decent example of a three-party race in 1992,
when Perot ran.
The functional reality of creating a national party is more difficult
than many people believe. Consider that you have to create a party
organization in each of 50 states, each with slightly - or in some
cases major - different requirements for ballot access, along with
local parties. It's a tremendous amount of work, and past attempts
have usually fallen apart before getting a significant presence.
What's happening to the Republicans is that the wingnuts are trying to
take over the party, in the name of "ideological purity." The end
result of their actions is going to make the Republican Party a
minority regional party.
Judity
1992,
when Perot ran. ))
That's when I stopped voting Republican and joined his Reform Party.
After that, I simply registered as an Independent.
Ross Perot was a hero of mine ever since I worked back in the 1970's
for his EDS. He's the type of person we need running our country, and
I have high hopes President Obama has some of his common sense.
Judity
Barbara Carlson
should all do from time to time.
I was a Perot fan, too, Judity, but then he went more than a little off the
wall with his paranoia--although maybe it was justified. He did appear to
be a serious threat for a while, and there certainly are people who would
want to stop that at any cost.
Barb C.
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Judity
> wall with his paranoia--although maybe it was justified. �He did appear to
> be a serious threat for a while, and there certainly are people who would
> want to stop that at any cost.
I think his reasons for dropping out might have been justified.
I remember when I spent two weeks on a business trip to his EDS
headquarters in Plano, Texas.
There were reports that men with guns were patrolling the large
grounds, although I never saw them.
Judity
bob
bbca...@snappydsl.net says...
>
> It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
> must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party candidate
> would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
>
> A serious third party candidate may well be in the future, but it
would
> cause a lot of problems.
>
> Barb C.
Barb,
Why would a third party cause problems?
Bob/Texas
bob
says...
There's also nothing requiring a two party system.
Bob/Texas
bob
norb...@spamlessfrontiernet.net says...
<snip>
> The functional reality of creating a national party is more difficult
> than many people believe. Consider that you have to create a party
> organization in each of 50 states, each with slightly - or in some
> cases major - different requirements for ballot access, along with
> local parties. It's a tremendous amount of work, and past attempts
> have usually fallen apart before getting a significant presence.
Correct. In many States, the rules are designed on purpose to protect
the current 2-party system by making it almost impossible for 3rd party
candidates to get on the ballot.
I can only see the SCOTUS getting involved if the rules effectively
disenfranchise many millions of people.
Bob/Texas
LizzieB.
>> bbca...@snappydsl.net says... <snip> A serious third party candidate may well be in the future, but it would cause a lot of problems.
>>
>> Barb C.
>>
>
> Why would a third party cause problems?
>
getting to the White House on a third-party ticket.
--
LizzieB.
After six years of MT, I've caught a suspicious case of ennui.
This is how I've been amusing myself in my MT malaise:
http://theproviso.com
http://b10mediaworx.com
To mail, replace the k with an x.
Barbara Carlson
>
> Barb,
>
> Why would a third party cause problems?
>
> Bob/Texas
I think there have been several listed here. The difficulty of
organization, getting candidates on the ballot, and the fact that there
would not likely be a majority and the election going to the House, and
that's just a start. And whose to say enough people could agree to
accomplish all that.
Barb C.
LizzieB.
semipseudo attempt of that freak Perot, either.
Karen C.
> Personally, I think we're ripe for one
I think so too.
, and not that half-assed paranoid
> semipseudo attempt of that freak Perot, either.
LOL!
Karen C.
Karen C.
> Heh. My male protagonist is gearing up to take on the challenge of
> getting to the White House on a third-party ticket.
And who might that be?
Karen C.
LizzieB.
http://b10mediaworx.com/b10mwx/moriah-jovan/stay/
Karen C.
> That would be Eric Cipriani, one of my imaginary friends:
> http://b10mediaworx.com/b10mwx/moriah-jovan/stay/
He couldn't do any worse, could he?
I'm wishing ALL of our gov't officials were imaginary! LOL!
Karen C.
LizzieB.
his political career with that goal in mind.
Karen C.
> Well, the point of it is that he's going to TRY, and he's starting out
> his political career with that goal in mind.
Yeah, we could definitely use a bunch of Mr. Smiths these days.
Karen C.
Barbara Carlson
it any more. We need something, though. I sure don't fit with either party
at this point and it sounds as if there are a lot of us at that point.
Barb C.
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bob
bbca...@snappydsl.net says...
Barb,
I'm sorry I guess I was confused. I took your comment to mean that the
presence of a third party would cause problems for the proper
functioning of the U.S. Presidential election system, rather than major
problems for a third party candidate to get elected.
Bob/Texas
Karen C.
> I sure don't fit with either party
> at this point and it sounds as if there are a lot of us at that point.
Yep, I think there are a whole lot more of us at this point than anybody
could imagine.
Karen C.
Doug Jones
And let's not forget the lack of a coherent national policy. A party
might very well be a factor in a given state - New York has a plethora
of political parties - but most have difficulty attracting enough
members to be a factor. Trying to have a co-ordinated national party
ups the difficulty by an order of magnitude.
What people ignore is that it isn't just the national ballots that
make a party - it's all those local and state ballots. Most of third
party efforts fail because of those factors.
bob
norb...@spamlessfrontiernet.net says...
That's why the Libertarian Party places such an emphasis on State and
local contests.
Bob/Texas