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JoeT

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Aug 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/11/99
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I have been a CP sufferer for about 6 years. In the past I've had all the
antibiotics commonly discussed, along with the terrible Candida side effects
they have produced and several other lousy side effects. About two months
ago I started another bad flare-up. At that time I tried Quercetin. I
can't describe how great the relief has been! Within 3 days I had
considerable improvement. After several weeks through the present, I've
felt nearly cured.

However, I am beginning to experience pain in my knuckles near the finger
tips and somewhat in the finger tips as well. Some of the knuckles are sore
to the touch. Reluctantly, I am going to try and discontinue the Quercetin
for awhile to see if these symptoms improve. Has anyone had a similar
experience with Quercetin? Dr Shokes - I would appreciate any advice. I
want to be clear that I do not know if it is the Quercetin causing these
symptoms. However, the symptoms started out with just one knuckle feeling a
bit sore and then gradually got worse. The one knuckle may have started
sometime around when I began the Quercetin. I'm not exactly sure when but
the timing would be close.

Currently I take:

90 mg Zinc (from all sources)
1 prostate pill (one of those formulas we've all seen), three times a day
- zinc
- raw prostate
- amino acids
- B6
1 50mg B6 complex twice a day
400 IU vitamin E
1 Quercetin pill twice a day - each pill contains 250mg Quercetin along
with 700mg vitamin C. The brand is Quercetin +C from Twinlabs

Quercetin has been like a god send. Any Ideas?

Joe T.
jo...@enteract.com


Pete

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Aug 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/13/99
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Hi Joe,

Funny you mention this, I have been having the same thing since I started
Quercetin Complex from Solgar ( total per day: Q-1500/2000, C- 1500/2000,
Bromelian- 300-400, Rutin- 30-40)

Didn't really give it much thought until I read your post, but my finger
joints have been achy/sore I think since I started this Q-Complex 6-7 weeks
ago. It has worked wonders for my CP symptoms, 90-100% relief, so I sure
hope I am not otherwise poisoning myself with this intake of supplements.

Sometimes the outer joints on my fingers, especially the first finger, are
sore enough that It is very painful to squeeze it in, like when making a
tight fist. I thought I might be developing arthritis (!) and I am only 38
years old. Any more comments?

Pete


James Charest

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Aug 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/13/99
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Have you guys tried droping the dosage of quercetin? The max dose of
quercetin in ProstaQ is only about 1000mg max(proprietary mix)a day.
Maybe you are OD'ing on the stuff.

JoeT

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Aug 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/13/99
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I don't believe I'm OD'ing on it. Im taking a Querceting complex from
twinlabs. I take the recommended dosage of two tablets per day. the
cumulation of both tablets contains 500mg Quercetin, 1400mg C.

As a test, I stopped the Quercetin two days ago. The pain in my finger
joints has subsided by about 90%. I also had about 90 -100% relief with
Quercetin so to lose the use of it is very depressing. However, my fingers
were getting VERY painful. They also felt kind of warm and I began feeling
a bit flushed as well.

It appears there are two of us experiencing this condition. Dr. Shoskes -
have any ideas as to why this is happening? My current plan is to continue
not taking the Q until my CP symptoms get worse, then maybe try only one
pill per day. I can't believe how desperate you become with this crap.
Before CP it would take an act of congress for me to throw things like this
into my body, now when you finally feel relief its too hard to go back to
the pain.


Joe T.

James Charest wrote in message ...

Heiner Biesel

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Aug 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/14/99
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On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:20:38 -0500, "JoeT" <jo...@enteract.com> wrote:

>I don't believe I'm OD'ing on it. Im taking a Querceting complex from
>twinlabs. I take the recommended dosage of two tablets per day. the
>cumulation of both tablets contains 500mg Quercetin, 1400mg C.
>
>As a test, I stopped the Quercetin two days ago. The pain in my finger
>joints has subsided by about 90%. I also had about 90 -100% relief with
>Quercetin so to lose the use of it is very depressing. However, my fingers
>were getting VERY painful. They also felt kind of warm and I began feeling
>a bit flushed as well.
>
>It appears there are two of us experiencing this condition. Dr. Shoskes -
>have any ideas as to why this is happening? My current plan is to continue
>not taking the Q until my CP symptoms get worse, then maybe try only one
>pill per day. I can't believe how desperate you become with this crap.
>Before CP it would take an act of congress for me to throw things like this
>into my body, now when you finally feel relief its too hard to go back to
>the pain.

I'm glad I read this, because I, too, have had sore finger joints on
and off. I'm taking 500 mg quercetin twice daily, but had upped the
dose to 1000 mg twice daily. Since dropping the dosage the swelling
has subsided.

Dr. Shoskes, it looks like this may be worth following up, since the
symptoms are unusual enough to be recognizable and seem correlated
with high dosages of quercetin.

Regards,
Heiner Biesel

Gary Monheit

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Aug 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/15/99
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I noticed 2 days ago, a very slight pain or tenderness in my left index finger.
It could be an injury but so far it's a complete mystery to me. I cannot
attribute it to repetitive use, since I've been laid off from my job and for the
last 6 weeks I am typing only about 15 minutes a day (as opposed to 6
hours/day). I didn't think much of this pain, but this morning I woke up and it
was hard to make a fist with my left hand (index finger). This could be
something totally unrelated, but I was wondering if anyone else taking ProstaQ
noticed this.

Currently I am on nothing else but ProstaQ (1g a day). Previously I was taking
Saw Palmetto for about 3 years non-stop. I took ProstaQ for 2 weeks (with extra
Saw Palmetto supplements), then quit both PQ & SP and was on Diflucan for 2
weeks. Now I've been on ProstaQ only for 2 weeks.

I will go off ProstaQ and see if my fingers feel better. It is a very slight
pain and only moderately annoying to tie my shoes. I think this is a total
coincidence, but I'd like to know if anyone else if noticing any unusual. I was
wondering if there are any side effects from taking Saw Palmetto long-term.

-Gary

Ed Mathews

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Aug 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/15/99
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Is this a re-post? Or, is this the 4'th person to report finger joint pain?
What's going on here? Is this the power of suggestion? Geez, now I'm
starting to wonder if maybe my fingers hurt too. If only someone had posted
that Quercetin had given them powerful erections we'd all be a lot better
off. Remember, this is a natural product found in broccoli, yellow onions,
and other foods. Are the broccoli people getting sore fingers also? I
doubt it. Comments Dr. Shoskes?

Thanks for reading.
Ed
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David L. Casey

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Aug 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/15/99
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Ed Mathews wrote:

Back when I was doing a lot more prostate massage, my right index finger hurt at
the middle joint...but I wasn't on Q [;~)] Sorry I couldn't resist.

dlc


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Buzz P

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Aug 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/16/99
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After taking the MRM Quercetin product, twice daily, for
six weeks I began to experience mild joint pain in the
fingers. After discontinuing the Quercetin, the pain
stopped. For me, the pain did not correlate to a
"high" dosage.

Buzz

On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:34:16 -0500, "Pete" <sav...@earthlink.net>

Buzz P

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Aug 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/16/99
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I was taking the MRM Quercetin product, twice per day, for
approximately six weeks when I noticed some mild joint pain
in the fingers. When I discontinued the Quercetin two weeks
later, the joint pain disappeared. For me, the pain did not

correlate to a "high" dosage.

Buzz

On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:42:36 GMT, trx...@xmission.com (Heiner Biesel)
wrote:

Gary Monheit

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Aug 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/16/99
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Ed,

It could be the power of suggestion. In my case, I was getting finger joint pain
or stiffness and about 3 days later I remembered the newsgroup posting.

Hey, does anyone notice that after taking quercetin you can have 3 or 4 orgasms
and incredible erections?

See if we can collectively "raise" the consciousness of this group.

-Gary

Ed Mathews

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Aug 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/17/99
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prostatitis Discussion
> [mailto:PROST...@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Gary Monheit
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 1:19 PM
> To: PROST...@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Quercetin Reaction?

> Hey, does anyone notice that after taking quercetin you can have
> 3 or 4 orgasms
> and incredible erections?

> -Gary

I'm still getting that effect from Klondike Bars.

Pringle

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Aug 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/17/99
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Ed Mathews wrote:

Ed,

Would that be erections or relief? If it is the former, I am going to
buy Klondike Bar stock.

Dave


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