My BMI is 15 only
Isabella W
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wuzzy
Dunno, but off topic interesting that age is not mentioned - I once
read an article where they asked people whats the least you have ever
weighed in the past 10 yrs and it turned out that the least they have
ever weighed predicted less than 5% of current weight whereas the most
they weighed predicted >75% after adjusting for height (height was not
a significant predictor tho)
wuzzy
> read an article where they asked people whats the least you have ever
> weighed in the past 10 yrs and it turned out that the least they have
> ever weighed predicted less than 5% of current weight whereas the most
> they weighed predicted >75% after adjusting for height (height was not
> a significant predictor tho)
its kindda the same w/ food reporing max will predict regular..
remember tho that underreporting is a validity not psychological ie.,
it is how its measured not reported issue so that minor tweaking will
increase reported intake by 300kcal per day.. so that the min intake
is just poor measurement (again not psychological)..
Hey Rocco
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
> I'm 163.5 cm tall and I weigh 40 kgs only... How can I gain weight in a
> healthy way?
>
A wholistic MD once told me he thought I was thin. He tested my
thyriod, but it was fine. He told me to eat at least 20 grams of
protein per meal. I gained 7 lbs in about 2 months.
Rocco
Alf Christophersen
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>I'm 163.5 cm tall and I weigh 40 kgs only... How can I gain weight in a
>healthy way?
How old are you?? Sounds like a girl around puberty. If so, you will
gain weight in the next years to come anyway.
When I was around puberty I was growing very fast in height, from
around 160 to 184 cm, while weight was around 28 kg, but suddenly
increasing extremely fast (giving me much growing pain for ayear or
two) and increased weigth up to 95 kg,all of a sudden. First the
doctor was deep concerned about my low weight, suddenly he was even
more concerned about my high weight,which continued to be high for the
next 35 years. In april this year, I got ill and dropped in a week
(mostly by loosing lots of body water) down from 88 to 65 kg and when
leaving hospital, weighted 74 kg, in end of april. Today I'm back at
85 kg after eating a lot of milk products, salads with a lot of
vinaigrette made by canola oil, vinegar and herbs like garlic, some
breads with butter and some good cheese or whatever to put on top of
bread etc. Did eat about 4-5 times a day (not so much eacg time
because diabetes I ( :-( ) )
Eating some good tasting food is important. But be careful about SFA
and unbalanced PUFA like in meat from pig, chicken etc fed a skewed
diet in PUFAs. Animals fed a balanced diet in omega-3 and omega-6 is
difficult to find unless you have some animals at home farm. Feed them
lot of greens (at least chickens) instead of commercial animal food
(called kraftfor over here, directly translated into "power fodder")
whose PUFA is mostly omega-6 oils since omega-3 oils slow down growth
rates in animals (at least in rats, rats use about 5 week more time to
gain same weight if fed omega-3 rich food compared to omega-6 or lard.
(Which is mainly SFA and arachidonate, the most powerful omega-6 oil
in stimulating cell division rate)
John the Man
>From: Hey Rocco n...@thedorkydocs.net
>Date: 7/12/03 7:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!
When I read a post like this, I see mental problems written all over it. A BMI
of 15 is laughable. I am a slightly thin guy with a BMI of 22.
If you want to die Lady, then go right ahead. Don't eat and see if I care.
YOU are the person who is going to die, not me.
Isabella W
know what the range of BMI for normal weight is there. For Hong Kong, the
range of BMI for normal weight is 18 to 22 (for girls).
I don't have anorexia or any other mental problems. All I have is
overwhelming stress which is keeping me from gaining weight. I do eat
regularly but it's just that I can't gain weight.
By the way, I'm 19.
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Isabella W
these 4.5 kgs because of overwhelming stress (I'm 19 and I guess I'm in the
late puberty?)
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John the Man
>Date: 7/12/03 3:25 PM !!!First Boot!!!
>I don't have anorexia or any other mental problems. All I have is
>overwhelming stress which is keeping me from gaining weight. I do eat
>regularly but it's just that I can't gain weight.
>By the way, I'm 19.
19! Really imagine that. :)
Well, if you truly have nothing against eating then I prescribe that you start
drinking a milkshake every 2 or 3 hours. You can buy special weight gaining
powers at health food stores, etc. And, there is the old standard of milk,
heavy cholocate syrup, and even ice cream.
Take a multi-vitamin every day.
Drink, ... drink, ... drink your calories on dear. It is a matter of simple
physics.
After a week or so, your appetite for solid foods should start to come back.
Believing other wise denotes in my book some kind of a mental problem. :)
Alf Christophersen
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>But I only gained 4.5 kgs in my mid-puberty... And recently, I've lost all
>these 4.5 kgs because of overwhelming stress (I'm 19 and I guess I'm in the
>late puberty?)
Stress increase release of glucagon which in turn turn on fatty acid
release and glycogen breakdown into free glucose and thus increased
blood glucose and ketone body concentration in your veins.
Visit doctor ASAP and have a test for glucose in urine and blood in
order to see if it already has done more damage, like diabetes.
I waited too long to visit doctor :-( But in my case, I also had a
strong herpes II infection that my body didn't cope with so that in
addition increased TNF-alpha, and thus, even more pressure for
increasing glucagon state. (Rising set point of glucose to something
above 10 mmol/l instead of around 4 mmol/l.
Isabella W
many symptoms of diabetes, like having thirsty from time to time, my times
of urination increases and I feel tired easily... I'm so frightened... I
can't be sick because there are already 2 of my family members who have got
very serious diseases...
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Moosh:]
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>Oh... is it really that serious? I'm so afraid... Recently I really have
>many symptoms of diabetes, like having thirsty from time to time, my times
>of urination increases and I feel tired easily... I'm so frightened... I
>can't be sick because there are already 2 of my family members who have got
>very serious diseases...
Go and see your doctor as soon as possible Isabella. He/she can tell
you if you have diabetes or not. If you do and it is not too far
advanced, you might be able to control it with diet and exercise.
Have a read of alt.support.diabetes and misc.health.diabetes for some
good advice and support. Good luck.
Isabella W
But I should be of no risk, right? I've always been underweight since I was
small and I'm only 19...
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Moosh:]
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>Thanks for your advice. I'll see a doctor tomorrow.
>
>But I should be of no risk, right? I've always been underweight since I was
>small and I'm only 19...
I would guess not, but rarely there can be a problem that is not
connected with overweight. There is also a chance that you could be in
the process of developing type one diabetes, which involves your
immune system attacking your pancreas. Only your doctor can tell for
sure. Good luck, again :)
Isabella W
Well my family doesn't have a history of type I diabetes. Only my
grandfather died of type II diabetes...
Thanks. I hope I don't have it....
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Moosh:]
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>Oops, I mean of low risk...
>
>Well my family doesn't have a history of type I diabetes.
I don't believe there is a strong genetic factor in type one.
>Only my
>grandfather died of type II diabetes...
There is no connection between the two forms of diabetes mellitus save
the symptom of spilling glucose in the urine.
>Thanks. I hope I don't have it....
So do I, although for some I know, a diagnosis of diabetes has
improved their way of living markedly.
Alf Christophersen
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>Oh... is it really that serious? I'm so afraid... Recently I really have
>many symptoms of diabetes, like having thirsty from time to time, my times
>of urination increases and I feel tired easily... I'm so frightened... I
>can't be sick because there are already 2 of my family members who have got
>very serious diseases...
It is not my intention to frighten you.
But you should check it out, ASAP. Diabetes is easy to live with
today. You only has to remember to take the appropriate doses of
insuline, dependent of what type of insuline you use. I use only
longlasting insuline and take 34 units in morning and that keep my
sugar more or less under control during the day. Using a combination
of longlasting and fast insulin, you may eat chocolate and cakes as
you did before, without risk of getting too high glucose in blood.
I started to slim quite a lot about 8 years ago when I slimmed down
from around 95 kg to 88 kg (and stayed there for a long period), but
the last year I did go further down. At hospital I started with
insulin (in april)and then I weighted only74 kg. Today I am back at 88
kg. When glucagon is acting uncontrolled because there is more
glucagon than insulin around,gluconeogenesis and lipolysis is
stimulated but most of the products are just released in urine instead
of being used for your body as energy. So the net effect will then be
that you eat a lot, but don't gain weight, or even is slimming
further.
So check out your glucose utilisation.
Isabella W
out after two weeks...
But looking back, my symptoms seem to be more related to mood disorders
rather than diabetes...
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MattLB
>
> I've seen a doctor and given my blood and urine samples. The report will be
> out after two weeks...
>
> But looking back, my symptoms seem to be more related to mood disorders
> rather than diabetes...
You might try magnesium supplements. If your diet is high in grains
(including soy and rice) magnesium will be lost when it binds to phytate
in the fibre. A deficiency can cause general nervous system irritability
and decent levels of magnesium are required for a calm mind (magnesium
block), so part of your stress may be due to this. Nervous irritability
will also burn off lots of calories and lead to feelings of fatigue.
This link may be of interest:
http://www.mgwater.com/rodintro.shtml
MattLB
M. Schwartz
> But I only gained 4.5 kgs in my mid-puberty... And recently, I've lost all
> these 4.5 kgs because of overwhelming stress (I'm 19 and I guess I'm in the
> late puberty?)
>
from gaining weight. You should try something to ease the stress.
Walking is a good way to relieve stress. You will burn some calories
but eating a snack after the walk will help.
As for gaining weight healthfully, I suggest that aside from eating 3
meals you snack with things like: almond butter on whole wheat toast
and maybe a banana if you can fit it in, or plain unsweetened low-fat
yogurt filled with fresh fruit like strawberries or bluberries
followed by a banana. Nuts are a great way to snack healthy and get
some calories: Almonds, walnuts, hazelnuts, and macadamia nuts with
the last two rich in monosaturated fat.
I hate to say this but you just might want to consider taking a
tranquilizer to alleviate the stress. I wouldn't recommend taking one
every day, but occasional use for a temporary stressful situation
should be alright. You can consult with a doctor about managing your
stress.
Mel
Alf Christophersen
<isabell...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
Well, fluctuating glucose levels also dispose for mental problems :-(
Hypoglycemic episodes may induce anxiety episodes.
Alf Christophersen
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>> But I only gained 4.5 kgs in my mid-puberty... And recently, I've lost all
>> these 4.5 kgs because of overwhelming stress (I'm 19 and I guess I'm in the
>> late puberty?)
>>
>Stress can very well make one lose weight or just help prevent one
>from gaining weight. You should try something to ease the stress.
>Walking is a good way to relieve stress. You will burn some calories
>but eating a snack after the walk will help.
Glucagon is a wellknown mediator of stress, since adrenalin is a key
releaser of glucagon. Glucagon is one of the worst catabolic signals
:-(
Isabella W
I'll eat more food which is rich in magnesium and I may seek a
psychotherapist for my mood disorders (I have great anxiety, stress and a
bit depression). I hope I can gain weight bit by bit after solving my mood
disorders.
I'm still waiting for the report but I feel much less frightened.
Thank you for the support.
Isabella
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> >> But I only gained 4.5 kgs in my mid-puberty... And recently, I've lost all
> >> these 4.5 kgs because of overwhelming stress (I'm 19 and I guess I'm in the
> >> late puberty?)
> >>
> >Stress can very well make one lose weight or just help prevent one
> >from gaining weight. You should try something to ease the stress.
> >Walking is a good way to relieve stress. You will burn some calories
> >but eating a snack after the walk will help.
>
> Glucagon is a wellknown mediator of stress, since adrenalin is a key
> releaser of glucagon. Glucagon is one of the worst catabolic signals
> :-(
You mean cortisol, surely? Glucagon breaks down predominantly fat, and
glycogen in the liver, whereas cortisol does all the above and in
addition breaks down muscle to release amino acids for gluconeogenesis.
Long term stress is virtually synonymous with elevated cortisol.
MattLB
John the Man
>I hope I can gain weight bit by bit after solving my mood
>disorders.
That is not how it works dear!
MattLB
> >I hope I can gain weight bit by bit after solving my mood
> >disorders.
>
> That is not how it works dear!
Ignorant, condescending and chauvinist all in one line; you must have
been in a rush.
MattLB
Alf Christophersen
<mat...@FAKEBITangelfire.com> wrote:
>You mean cortisol, surely? Glucagon breaks down predominantly fat, and
Well, I meant glucagon :-) Cortisol is another signal doing a lot,
among them, stimulate glucagon through adrenaline release.
and glucagon also stimulate amino acid release from muscle.
MattLB
>
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:09:01 +0100, MattLB
> <mat...@FAKEBITangelfire.com> wrote:
>
> >You mean cortisol, surely? Glucagon breaks down predominantly fat, and
>
> Well, I meant glucagon :-)
Okay :-).
> Cortisol is another signal doing a lot,
> among them, stimulate glucagon through adrenaline release.
> and glucagon also stimulate amino acid release from muscle.
There aren't any glucagon receptors on muscle, so it doesn't cause the
muscle wasting that cortisol does. It's also why muscle glycogen doesn't
get broken down to release glucose into the blood in response to
hypoglycaemia.
MattLB
Moosh:]
I'm curious about this, Matt. This site seems a bit light weight.
What is the net effect of phytic acid in preventing calcium and
magnesium absorption in a varied wholefood diet?
Foods high in fibre and phytates usually have much higher levels of
magnesium.
Calcium magnesium phytate is used as a calcium magnesium supplement,
No?
William A. Noyes
> I'm curious about this, Matt. This site seems a bit light weight.
> What is the net effect of phytic acid in preventing calcium and
> magnesium absorption in a varied wholefood diet?
We should not assume that.
> Foods high in fibre and phytates usually have much higher levels of
> magnesium.
Phytates are why you want your bread to be leavened. The yeast breaks
the phytate down. It could be a problem in a diet low in
zinc and other lacking important aspects of variety.
Search words: zinc, Iraq, (and perhaps) hypogonadal
>
> Calcium magnesium phytate is used as a calcium magnesium supplement,
> No?
I've never seen that one and I sure wouldn't buy it.
Hmm.......the book says: source of Ca in pharmaceuticals
and nutrition. Used to remove metals from vinegar and
wine. Well, I may have to buy some for that.
Moosh:]
<no.ad...@ctc.net> wrote:
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>> I'm curious about this, Matt. This site seems a bit light weight.
>> What is the net effect of phytic acid in preventing calcium and
>> magnesium absorption in a varied wholefood diet?
>
>We should not assume that.
Assume what? I asked a question.
>> Foods high in fibre and phytates usually have much higher levels of
>> magnesium.
>
>Phytates are why you want your bread to be leavened. The yeast breaks
>the phytate down. It could be a problem in a diet low in
>zinc and other lacking important aspects of variety.
>Search words: zinc, Iraq, (and perhaps) hypogonadal
>> Calcium magnesium phytate is used as a calcium magnesium supplement,
>> No?
>
>I've never seen that one and I sure wouldn't buy it.
I didn't ask whether you had seen it.....
>Hmm.......the book says: source of Ca in pharmaceuticals
>and nutrition. Used to remove metals from vinegar and
>wine. Well, I may have to buy some for that.
Figures. Anything new :)
MattLB
> >This link may be of interest:
> >
> >http://www.mgwater.com/rodintro.shtml
>
> I'm curious about this, Matt. This site seems a bit light weight.
Well she said she was frightened and I didn't want to make it worse
with a scary journal article.
> What is the net effect of phytic acid in preventing calcium and
> magnesium absorption in a varied wholefood diet?
> Foods high in fibre and phytates usually have much higher levels of
> magnesium.
If the magnesium is locked up in an indigestible complex that doesn't
do you much good.
See http://www.cmns.mnegri.it/en/congres/healfo/selected/files39.htm
for an interesting abstract.
> Calcium magnesium phytate is used as a calcium magnesium supplement,
> No?
I've not seen that, but it sounds like a worthless supplement if true.
MattLB
Moosh:]
I wonder how this fares in the stomach acid.
It's called Phytin
There's a Ca and Fe phytate supplement called Calciphos.
Phytic acid is inositolhexaphosphoric acid.
William A. Noyes
"MattLB" <mat...@angelfire.com> wrote in message
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> MattLB
Moosh is wrong. It isn't a calcium phytate.
Calciphos is a patented calcium supplement
composed of Ca(H2PO4)2 which would mean it is still a
poor supplement choice for calcium as most people get
enough phosphorus in their diet. And many get an excess
of phosphorus from their high meat, Pepsi and Coke-Cola
intake.
Phytates are indigestable which is why (in part) humans have been
yeast leavening wheat for thousands of years.
So Moo-She, the answer is No.
You tried for content........
Rob
He's multi-tasking.
Rob
Moosh:]
I suggest you look up the absorption of calcium.
>Phytates are indigestable which is why (in part) humans have been
>yeast leavening wheat for thousands of years.
Evidence?
>So Moo-She, the answer is No.
>You tried for content........
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Calciphos® Phytic acid calcium and iron salts. Obtained during the
processing of corn. A grayish powder containing 20% calcium, 14%
phosphorus, and 2% iron. Sparingly soluble in water and in dilute
mineral acids. Commercial development: Bilhuber-Knoll and Merck & Co.
Med Use: Calcium dietary supplement. Dose: Oral 1 to 1.5 g.
Merck Index
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Isabella
However, he said that I have amino acids and white blood cells in my
urine... And I need to see him again tomorrow =_="
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>However, he said that I have amino acids and white blood cells in my
>urine... And I need to see him again tomorrow =_="
Hope he will find out what's wrong so you may gain weight again.
John the Man
>Date: 7/28/03 9:13 AM !!!First Boot!!!
>My report has been out and the doctor said I don't have diabetes at all.
>However, he said that I have amino acids and white blood cells in my
>urine... And I need to see him again tomorrow =_="
Contrary to all the garbage that has been posted on this THREAD in smn, you
have only one problem. Your BMI is 15!!! That is your problem, period. The
science Geeks on smn always try to confuse you by their changing the topic of
your THREAD. They do this with all the posts. Yours was no exception.
And, as I suggested earlier you can easily gain weight by drinking milk shakes
through out the day. And, you can easily add special weight gaining powders to
these milk shakes, too.
Of course, there is nothing wrong with eating solid foods either.
--
John Gohde,
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Alf Christophersen
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>And, as I suggested earlier you can easily gain weight by drinking milk shakes
>through out the day. And, you can easily add special weight gaining powders to
>these milk shakes, too.
John, be careful now !! She has amino acids leaking out of kidneys. I
think she should rather see a nutritionist and get better advices than
eating lots of proteins. Otherwise, such drinks are a good idea, yes.
But also eating a nice salad with a vinaigrette with lot of olive or
canola oil and a dash of vinegar, with some garlic cloves and mustard
or curry paste as a spice for it is also a good idea in order to
increase weight. I did so for the last three months to gain weight
after loosing nearly 20 kg through very severe infection and
hospitalizing for several weeks earlier this year adn now I have
gained almost all back again. (Some of the weight was of course water
since I was hospitalized severely dehydrated. After hospital at three
weeks I was about 16 kg lighter (so I'm afraid I weighted less than 65
when being hospitalized, after vomiting and not drinking nor eating
for 5 days :-(
But I have had lot of pains in muscles during retraining since muscles
was almost completely emptied for proteins :-) (But physiotherapy make
wonders!!) Only downside is that now my kidney also has started
leaking proteins again. Most probably because also strongly increased
ratio of proteins. Eat about 4 eggs daily, and at hospitalI managed to
eat 12 daily in order to get up albumin content in blood in normal
range. (Every probe was wrong, did lack almost everythin possible it
seemed like :-( )
Isabella W
kidneys are alright but I have anaemia... What could be the causes of
anaemia apart from inheredity and deficiency of iron?
And what food is rich in iron apart from beef and spinach?
Alf Christophersen
W) wrote:
>I have had my blood and urine samples checked again. The doctor said my
>kidneys are alright but I have anaemia... What could be the causes of
>anaemia apart from inheredity and deficiency of iron?
Copper deficiency. Iron supplementation can worsen the deficiency of
copper because they compete for the same transport channel. The same
apply to chromium and zinc.
Have you checked vit B12 levels?
Copper deficiency is difficult to measure. You need to check the
internal levels, not the serum levels. Serum levels of copper may be
ok, but transport into cells inhibited by excess iron.
MattLB
>
> I have had my blood and urine samples checked again. The doctor said my
> kidneys are alright but I have anaemia... What could be the causes of
> anaemia apart from inheredity and deficiency of iron?
Wasn't he more specific about the anaemia? Anaemia is a lack of healthy
red blood cells, but this can be due to excessive destruction of red
blood cells (haemolytic anaemia), insufficient production of new red
blood cells by the bone marrow, or production of defective red blood
cells (e.g. sickle cell anaemia)
> And what food is rich in iron apart from beef and spinach?
Well black pudding is made from blood so is about a good a source as
you'll get. The iron in spinach isn't very bioavailable so unless you
like it probably isn't a great source. Vitamin C improves iron
absorption from the gut, so if you're likely to be vitamin C deficient
think about supplements. Lack of vitamin C will also weaken the small
blood vessels, so you may get more blood leakage which would contribute
to anaemia. Stress will increase your requirement for vitamin C, too.
MattLB
Mooshie peas
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Or instead of reading WAGs here, see your doctor.