Thursday, August 22, 2002
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Obese women eat one more meal a day than
their non-obese peers, and tend to consume more food later in the day,
Swedish researchers have found.
With obesity levels on the rise around the world, researchers are
searching for ways to correctly gauge eating behavior, in the hopes of
identifying eating habits that could be targeted by obesity treatment
strategies.
In the current study, Dr. H. Berteus Forslund of Sahlgrenska
University Hospital in Gothenburg and colleagues interviewed 83 obese
women and 94 women of normal weight. The researchers used a
questionnaire they developed that aims to identify "all intake
occasions, even those consisting of one drink," they note.
Eating occasions were divided into main meals, light meals, snack
meals and drinks.
The obese women consumed 6.1 meals per day compared with 5.2 meals for
non-obese women, the researchers report in the August issue of the
European Journal of Clinical Nutrition."
Berteus Forslund H, Lindroos AK, Sjostrom L.
Meal patterns and obesity in Swedish women-a simple instrument
describing usual meal types, frequency and temporal distribution.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12122550&dopt=Abstract
Eur J Clin Nutr. 2002 Aug;56(8):740-7.
PMID: 12122550
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Comments:
How many post have I read claiming that you lose weight by eating more
meals?
Sorry, but physics applies to even the grossly overweight!
Eat more often and lose weight?
Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Not in this universe!
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
http://NaturalHealthPerspective.com/
The ONLY Frauds in Health are those who couldn't care less about
prevention. Beware of anybody who brags about eating a lousy diet,
eating crispbread, being overweight, or about smoking!
You are such a dumbfuck.
Or do you not understand the difference in eating
1. more meals at the same calorie level
vs.
2. more meals leading to HIGHER caloric intakes.
Nevermind, rhetorical question. I know the answer, you don't know shit
from up. You're not even a good troll.
Lyle
>You are such a dumbfuck.
>Or do you not understand the difference in eating
>
>1. more meals at the same calorie level
>vs.
>2. more meals leading to HIGHER caloric intakes.
The problem is that you dumb dieters don't count too good. :-(
Lesanne
247/209/158
Tonia
"Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
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PS I have many normal weight friends and I only know one that is actually
disciplined. I am far more disciplined than the majority of my thin friends.
"Lesanne" <brl...@earthlink.com> wrote in message
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> You're not even a good troll.
--
Then why are you responding at all?
>soc.culture.indian. Why would the folks in that newsgroup care?
Old THREADs *never* die, they just fade away.
>Were they just pigs that had to have one more
>meal?
Oink, ... oink, oink!
Enquiring minds want to know.
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340/185/140
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www.bored.com when you have nothing better to do
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Tonia
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>all I can say is "WHATEVER!!!!!!!!"
I will need a citation for that "WHATEVER!!!!!!!!"
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John Gohde,
Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
Health-with-Attitude is a support group for people
trying to follow a Healthy Lifestyle.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
What enquiring minds want to know is really this:
Why must there always be one person to shit on anyone's parade?
I have been in an out of newsgroups for over a decade and no matter what the
group, there is always someone who feels the need to "reality bust" the
people
within that group. Whether it was alt.fan.countingcrows,
alt.support.diet.low-carb,
rec.sport.fantasy.football, rec.sport.football, there is always about 1
"reality buster"
for every thirty active posters. Whether is was that rugby is the real man's
sport,
that LC lifestyle doesn't work, that fantasy football is a waste of time,
there is always
one.
I would really like to get in the mentality of it. What is the need to come
into someone's
group, in which the "troll" clearly has no real interest, only to shoot at
people who are
just trying to get along and share their experiences. While Mr. TheMan has a
study he
pulled from out of his ass, many people have already said that their
experience is contrary
to his report. While many people are quick to try and poke holes in Low
Carb, there are
so many people who are having success with it and more every day. Why Mr.
TheMan
needs to butt in, I would like to know.
I know it is not a sense of civic duty. Perhaps, on the surface of the mind
of the "troll", there
is a sense of doing good, but if that were truly the motivation, they would
take a different
tone, and when yelled at, move on, saying, "sucks for them they can't
appreciate what I
have to share." It must be the same thing that causes people to write
graffiti, knock over
mailboxes, and play their car stereos at deafening volumes in the middle of
the night. Small
malicious glee.
What we should do is twofold. Set up a place for all of them to bust reality
on one another.
A place where they can all comment on the fallacies of each other's lives,
from living in mom's
basement to penis size to personal wealth to IQ and so on. Concurrently,
those of us actually
in groups ought to ignore them, dump em to the kill file, and, to quote the
Who, "forget them,
better still."
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Great post, Max.
Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology
Why do shit heads like you ask questions that they already know the
answere to?
ANSWER: Because they are Shit Heads!
Hey Bud, all I did was report on published medical research.
Hey Bud, all I did was state the obvious.
Why do shit heads insist on having mental breakdowns in public?
PS: I will do it again tomorrow because tomorrow is just another day.
:-)
I have been shoving so much high fat foods down my throat for the past nine
months that people think I have one foot in the grave. I eat close to a
dozen eggs, a pound of sausage, and a quarter pound of monterey jack cheese
for breakfast... and for the rest of the day I finish off a 2.5lb pack of
hamburger, usually get 5 out of it (constantly munching) or I switch to two
whole chickens, rotisserie... yum (again constantly munching.) Long story
short, I have lost close to 75lbs, and 5 pant sizes, I've always had
perfect blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol... its just about my
ass size... LOL
put that in your pipe and smoke it. smaller stomach...sheesh, WHAT can I do
to get a larger stomach HAHA. Oh wait, I remember the first 25 years of my
lowfat life, nevermind.
Cut out the sugar (in its many forms), live a healthy life, be happy
Anthony
435/366/wherever I stop!!!
We're all waiting for the answer to why you feel compelled to self-destruct
in public. So tell us again how you lied to blood donor centers. Tell us
how you managed to lose all your teeth despite being a self-proclaimed
nutrition authority. Tell us again that you're not pimping for commercial
interests. Then go play with yourself on your private yahoo group until
they pull the plug on you.
--
Stev
Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line is patients not
profit
Save a cow, eat a PETA member
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"Max Harris" <potb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> 1000 calorie loss down every other day means a 50 pounds a
>year .
And, here I thought that the "calorie theory" was a lie?
>Were they just pigs that had to have one more
>meal?
Oink, ... oink, oink!
Enquiring minds want to know.
Were they just pigs that had to have one more
meal?
And, the answer is?
And they call us low-carbers bizarre and unhealthy...
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Wayne Crannell
250/158.5
/150
Atkins+ 10/27/01
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"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The answer is, eating more meals took off 3 pounds this past week. For a
total of 41 pounds off since February. Frankly, give me a whole gang of
pigs, better company and more brains than you.
>The answer is, eating more meals took off 3 pounds this past week. For a
>total of 41 pounds off since February. Frankly, give me a whole gang of
>pigs, better company and more brains than you.
Your math doesn't compute!
Why am I *not* surprised?
41 pounds over 6 months averages to 1.7 pounds lost a week, *not* the
3 pounds you are bragging about.
Just thought that you might want to know.
>Out of context articles are just that.... out of context. Too
>bad some people don't have the brains to comprehend what they are actually
>reading.
Hey, I report the news. It is up to you to interpret it.
And, I certainly reach a different conclusion than you do.
Eating more meals a day, gives you more opportunities to over do it.
It is simple math. :-)
> Once upon a time, our fellow Lesanne
> rambled on about "Re: What enquiring minds really want to know (was
> Re: Lose weight by eating more meals, Not!)."
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
> >The answer is, eating more meals took off 3 pounds this past week. For a
> >total of 41 pounds off since February. Frankly, give me a whole gang of
> >pigs, better company and more brains than you.
>
> Your math doesn't compute!
>
> Why am I *not* surprised?
>
> 41 pounds over 6 months averages to 1.7 pounds lost a week, *not* the
> 3 pounds you are bragging about.
>
> Just thought that you might want to know.
John, did it occur to you, during your feeble and ultimately
unsuccessful attempt to prove you actually have a functioning brain
mass, that Lesanne could have averaged 1.7 pounds per week AND lost 3
pounds last week? You see, Einstein, it is possible to do both. Yes I
know, that third grade math is tough these days.
Here is a shortened example. (I'm sorry that these use decimals, but try
to keep up...oh, and a decimal is the part of the number to the right of
the little dot thingy. )
Week one: 2.6 pounds
Week two: .8 pounds
Week three: 1.0 pounds
Week four: 3 pounds
Week five: 1.2 pounds
Week six: 2 pounds
Week seven: 1.3 pounds
If you can do the math, you'll notice in week four that this person lost
three pounds AND across the course of the seven weeks, averaged a loss
of 1.7 pounds.
OK, you can go finish watching your cartoons now.
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Wayne Crannell
250/158.5/150
Atkins+ 10/27/01
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> I have been shoving so much high fat foods down my throat for the past nine
> months that people think I have one foot in the grave. I eat close to a
> dozen eggs, a pound of sausage, and a quarter pound of monterey jack cheese
> for breakfast... and for the rest of the day I finish off a 2.5lb pack of
> hamburger, usually get 5 out of it (constantly munching) or I switch to two
> whole chickens, rotisserie... yum (again constantly munching.) Long story
> short, I have lost close to 75lbs, and 5 pant sizes, I've always had
> perfect blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol... its just about my
> ass size... LOL
>
> put that in your pipe and smoke it. smaller stomach...sheesh, WHAT can I do
> to get a larger stomach HAHA. Oh wait, I remember the first 25 years of my
> lowfat life, nevermind.
>
> Cut out the sugar (in its many forms), live a healthy life, be happy
>
> Anthony
> 435/366/wherever I stop!!!
It's great that you're doing well... but no veggies?
sue
>> Anthony
>> 435/366/wherever I stop!!!
>
>It's great that you're doing well... but no veggies?
When you weigh 435 pounds, the priority is to lose weight.
I am all for morbidly obese people to eat a high fat diet, if in fact
it allows them to loose the weight without giving them a heart attack.
>John, did it occur to you, during your feeble and ultimately
>unsuccessful attempt to prove you actually have a functioning brain
>mass, that Lesanne could have averaged 1.7 pounds per week AND lost 3
>pounds last week? You see, Einstein, it is possible to do both. Yes I
>know, that third grade math is tough these days.
Eh, ... Duh????
That is what was written, wasn't it?
On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:59:59 GMT, "Lesanne" <brl...@earthlink.com>
wrote:
Max,
I think in this case, Aucum's Rule applies: The simplest explanation
is the most likely. That is, the person making these posts is
probably even more insecure than the people making the support posts.
The people looking for support are at least comfortable enough in
their own struggle to open up to others in the same boat, and ask
for mutual understanding. The person who steps back and can only
point out flaws is simply so incredibly insecure, that they're
willing to sacrifice the goodwill of others simply to draw attention
from their own flaws.
The sad part is, oftentimes, their flaws aren't really that big
of a deal; maybe they're simply a little overweight, or a mild
underachiever, or just plain a shallow person. Nothing that
couldn't be overcome with a little support from the same people
that they mock. It's sad, really.
Don't be mad; instead, pity, and turn the other cheek.
Kevin.
> Once upon a time, our fellow Max Harris
> rambled on about "What enquiring minds really want to know (was Re:
> Lose weight by eating more meals, Not!)."
Why he felt the need to point out that I said anything, I do not
know. He didn't actually quote anything I said, so why bother
& attribute? But this is par for the course and was old hat before
John the non-responsive ever knew there was an internet. Hell,
it was probably old hat and tired before he was an experiment
in some mad scientist's lab.
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
Legend in his own mind, champion to the lunatic fringe perhaps.
> Why do shit heads like you ask questions that they already know the
> answere to?
Hey, I'm just trying to solve a question that has bothered me for as
long as I've been aware of newsgroups.
> ANSWER: Because they are Shit Heads!
Wow, the true brilliance of our champion shines through. I disagree
with you and your method of information dissemination so I'm a
shit head? Sad. Can't do any real soul searching to figure why you
post the way you do and what sad lack of confidence causes you to
post as 'The Man' when with that method of discourse you are
clearly John 'The Child'.
The Man might take a look inside and figure why he must crap on
people who are doing what they like and having sucess with it. The
Man might say, "Boy, when you put it that way, I guess I really am
kind of out of line, and I might appologize, or at the very least, I
will skulk off and fade away."
The Child on the other hand would come in and call people names,
not answer their points and generally annoy rather than inform. I'll
let the public decide which category John falls into.
> Hey Bud, all I did was report on published medical research.
Yeah, but did you understand it, kid? Do you understand how people
who go on diets arrange their six meals, sport? Tiger, do you see how
the study you are citing really has no bearing on people on diets, rather
on people not dieting. Maybe if you read the study, son, instead of just
posting it, mack, you might have a clue as to why people get annoyed
with you. I'm not even gonna go into the flawed methodology of
applying this study to people in the United States, as it's a skewed &
small sample size. If you need help with this concept, doubtless
someone truly versed in science will be able to help you.
> Hey Bud, all I did was state the obvious.
The obvious, as backed up by your medical report is this. If you
eat an extra meal a day, without watching points, carbs, calories,
balance or whatever your diet has you watching, you will be more
prone to being overweight. It doesn't factor that dieters who go to a
five or six meal plan are spreading their units out over their six without
actually increasing intake. It doesn't address the possibility of a Way
of Eating or a Diet at all. This is why your obvious is really off topic
and has not been recieved well.
> Why do shit heads insist on having mental breakdowns in public?
I dunno. Enlighten us. If you think that I had a mental breakdown, go
back and read it again, keyboard jockey. Slowly and carefully, so all
the words fully unfold their meanings within your mind. Personally, I
missed me having a mental breakdown. And I was there when I wrote
it, so I think I oughta know. No mental breakdown here, just more
rational questioning of a troll, junior.
> PS: I will do it again tomorrow because tomorrow is just another day.
I want you to take a deep thought into this one. Not some quick, smart
assy answer, but a real soul searcher. Why do it again tomorrow? What's
the point? Because you get some kind of thrill from pissing people off?
Doesn't that seem deviant to a rational mind? Wouldn't your time be
better spent doing anything else but annoying people? Perhaps even by
staying in bed for an extra hour. This is doubtless too much to hope for.
Keep doing it. Eventually everyone will kill file you and you can talk to
yourself. Begs the question, if a poster posts and no one reads it, does it
really have any content at all?
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"You've been touched by an Angel, girl"
Jenelope "Bring It On"
>The sad part is, oftentimes, their flaws aren't really that big
>of a deal; maybe they're simply a little overweight, or a mild
>underachiever, or just plain a shallow person. Nothing that
>couldn't be overcome with a little support from the same people
>that they mock. It's sad, really.
Actually, I got "the treatment" from the alt.support.diet.low-fat
newsgroup a few years back.
So, I just like to return the favor to all alt.support.diet... groups
whenever the opportunity arises. You people have earned the title of
scum. Just ask rosie ...
>You must shrink the stomach over time to feel full
Probably, as well as allow time for your skin to shrink.
True, but she stated that she'd been doing WW for some time, so her 3
pound loss is not just water. And john takes a lot of stuff out of
context and makes them even more out of context.
sue
Hmm, I don't think I can THINK that simple minded.
Well never mind, I am going to go read up on kill files. I am just always
getting sucked into these battles of wits with unarmed people..... (that
would be you, in case you don't understand the sentence. I am calling you
stupid)
"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't water a byproduct of the metabolization of
fat? Ergo, wouldn't all fat loss be a water loss?
JD
Stop wasting your time on John The Dickhead. He's got his head so far up
his ass that it would take a few years just for him to make halfway through
his intestinal tract.
What a fucktart.
Alan S.
John, please look over her sentences. She wrote *this week* was when she
lost 3 pounds, adding to her past lost weight gave her a total lost weight
of 41 pounds. If you're going to correct somebody, fucking do it right...
~M'isa
>Hmm, I don't think I can THINK that simple minded.
Try reading what I wrote.
>John, please look over her sentences. She wrote *this week* was when she
>lost 3 pounds, adding to her past lost weight gave her a total lost weight
>of 41 pounds. If you're going to correct somebody, fucking do it right...
What I wrote, was fucking correct as written. :-)
Perhaps, if you were to focus and actually read what I wrote?
Ah! Brings back fond memories of alt.support.low-fat. They were
tards!!!
>What a fucktart.
Another quote from alt.support.low-fat. Are you related to rosie?
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
It is a lot of fun, but you got to be prepared to run fast!!!
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
"Max Harris" <potb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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No. Do you see readandpost alan in From?
>
And you haven't figured out yet that no one in any usegroup likes you or
affords you any credibility? That indicates to me that your intellect is
about as low as your knowledge base, your knowledge base, and your spelling
ability. What degrees from what universities?
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Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
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Bye Creep, ... I got some serious posting to do. :-)
>No. Do you see readandpost alan in From?
So, you are familiar with readandpost rosie?
Hey, rosie if you had lost 6 pounds a month, which these creeps claim
that they have since Feb '02; You should have lost some 300 pounds by
now (from the time we first met on alt.support.diet.low-fat).
What gives readandpost rosie?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I Love my spinach, but when I eat it I eat alot of it... like 4 or 5 cans,
well drained (pressed) and then lightly simmered in butter and a piece of
fat bacon (u know which kind I mean), then it is served with a particularily
pungent malt vinegar(which I obtained from my local Long John Silver's) but
this feast happens like once every 3 months or so.... my mouth is watering
now, DAMN YOU!
Morbidly, as in lethal? The only people my size can be lethal to are the
ones who describe me as "Morbidly Obese!" I am... just... Fat!
Ya, cause you are hitting up people looking for support. It's like
shooting fish in a barrel. Even a total idiot couldn't miss.
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
"I wish I were like you, Easily Amused" Kurt Cobain
> It is a lot of fun, but you got to be prepared to run fast!!!
If you have to run fast, why do it? This is the central question
that is being ignored.
If you have some poorly motivated revenge issue, maybe you
really could use therapy more than a news account.
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
"Laughter is the music of the soul" Pablo Neruda
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"Memories are supposed to fade. They're designed that way."
-Mase (Angela Bassett), "Strange Days"
While there are some heated discussions in this group and not everyone is
always nice, there are far more nicer people than the couple of trolls who
like to argue for sport or to feel superior.
For instance, I know when Caleb posts about day 7 tomorrow and I tell him
that I went a full hour and really cut back on my calories to attone for
date night, he will encourage me. I know that both Rosie and Carol will
contribute something worth thinking about. I enjoy talking about exercise
to Rosie T and (Help me, I am so bad with names!) that other woman who is
competitive lifter in her 50's. When I'm discouraged, I look at Bicker's
before and after pics. I am genuinely concerned about the newbie who is
doing water aerobics and like watching her progress.
And then, well........ there's always the killfile option. We are not
evil, mean intentioned folks.
I am in the middle of a regulatory project that involves sitting in front of
the computer, downloading regs, printing forms, etc. This is the
exceedingly tedious type of work that frustrates me with all the waiting.
In the past, I would run to the kitchen and nibble on something. Now, I
just come here. I find inspiration, entertainment and the occasional
intelligent debate. I have learned to stay away from the troll debates,
though - as tempting as it sometimes is.
j
That's actually a medical term. I believe the term 'morbidly obese' kicks
in after someone is greater than 20 percent over their ideal body weight but
I could be wrong. I have also seen it defined in terms of BMI. Morbidity
actually refers to illness and mortality is the death thing as in 'morbidity
and mortality' reports generated about MD's, meds, medical devices, etc.
(You should read some, one day. They are a ton of fun!)
My problem with the term is that patients have rights to see their medical
records (they never talk about Nurse's rights) and they are usually grossly
offended when they see themselves described as Morbidly Obese. They equate
'Morbidly Obese' with "The patient is a big fat pig". Most patients know
when they are too heavy and can live with a Doc telling them that 20 percent
of more of their weight needs to go. They do not like being called Morbidly
Obese, however. (Neither would I!)
j
>Morbidly, as in lethal? The only people my size can be lethal to are the
>ones who describe me as "Morbidly Obese!" I am... just... Fat!
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
"435/366/wherever I stop!!!"
says morbidly obese to me.
>My problem with the term is that patients have rights to see their medical
>records (they never talk about Nurse's rights) and they are usually grossly
>offended when they see themselves described as Morbidly Obese. They equate
>'Morbidly Obese' with "The patient is a big fat pig".
Morbidly Obese means dead man walking.
Time to get real!
>I Love my spinach, but when I eat it I eat alot of it... like 4 or 5 cans,
>well drained (pressed) and then lightly simmered in butter and a piece of
>fat bacon (u know which kind I mean), ...
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
4 or 5 cans of spinach!!! Yeah, ... right, ... sure; Just try to tell
me that is a normal portion size.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
> I Love my spinach, but when I eat it I eat alot of it... like 4 or 5 cans,
> well drained (pressed) and then lightly simmered in butter and a piece of
> fat bacon (u know which kind I mean), then it is served with a
particularily
> pungent malt vinegar(which I obtained from my local Long John Silver's)
but
> this feast happens like once every 3 months or so.... my mouth is watering
> now, DAMN YOU!
Since you love spinach so much, you should try it the way they make
something called 'sag' in India. Basically, fry it over little oil which
removes the water from the leaves, add hot green chillis, pieces of garlic
and sliced onions. Usually, you can do this with fresh or frozen spinach.
Never heard of canned spinach.
Thanks everyone.
Dara Singh
I think it is possible to real and kind simultaneously. If a patient hears
something that is too painful, it is difficult to comprehend. By chosing
words carefully, a message may be conveyed more efficiently.
Being told that one is morbidly obese or reading those words in a chart may
shock some patients into reality but may just as easily alienate others who
are not ready to face the risks they are posing to their health. A good
clinician can get around this by speaking to the patient with respect and
emphasizing the positive benefits that come from losing weight vs the
negative aspects of being overweight. Offering to help and support a
patient who needs to make significant lifestyle changes is almost always
more effective than bullying a patient!
The same applies outside of the clinician/pt relationship, too. If we, on
ASD, continue to refer to overweight people (and think about who frequents
this list) as dead men walking, morbidly obese, (I think I fit the
definition, thank you very much) etc., the support that those of us need to
get by will be undermined by negative comments.
Just my $0.02 worth.
j
j
Another way to eat a hell of a lot of spinach at once is an Arab dish
called "eggah" - you build up layers of spinach and fresh herbs in a
flat pan, pour beaten egg with salt and pepper over it, and bake it or
(if you're using a heavy iron pan) cook it over slow heat. You only
use enough egg to hold it together and no more, it should have a much
higher veg-to-egg ratio than a quiche. Sumac is good sprinkled over
the top if you can find it. Wouldn't work at all with canned spinach.
It's a handy pizza alternative for anyone with combined wheat/dairy
intolerance, being flat and savoury. I'm unlikely ever to eat it again,
bugger it (egg intolerance).
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"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: Once upon a time, our fellow skeetor
:
Gohde holds a grudge against the whole diet hierarchy because he was
netcopped to authorities and had to delete his former website offering
to diagnose and prescribe supplements, despite his lack of any medical
credentials whatsoever.
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"There's a seeker born every minute."
Oh! You're going to offer incorrect advice to people who haven't learned
how unschooled and unlearned you are? Or does that merely mean that another
of your personalities has demanded dominance?
Or, perhaps you've simply learned that in a war of words and intellect, you
are unarmed and unmanned. This is where you normally resort to vulgarity
and obscenity as you don't have the capacity to do any better. So feel free
to descend back to your normal third grade behavior level.
You're incredibly boring, predictable, and poorly equipped for anything
academic or biomedical. You claim academic credentials you fail to
document.
But don't worry, I'll still hang around and remind folks how you lied to
blood donor centers and thus became iron deficient while practicing the "art
of good nutrition."
>Well, since you have nothing of value to say, ...
Au contraire! 4 or 5 cans of spinach!!! spells P-I-G to me.
It should spell P-I-G in any language.
Oink, ... oink, oink!
>Oh! You're going to offer incorrect advice to people ...
I got some serious posting to do, Dolt!
Oink, ... oink, oink!
As everyone can see, you blew the grammar and spelling portion of your posts
yet again. Isn't it wonderful that your ability to use a pc allows you to
socially and intellectually disgrace yourself in front of hundreds of people
in multiple usegroups simultaneously. One can hear snickers and laughter
across the nation and in other countries everytime one of your mis-spelled
posts shows up. Explain to the world how a self-inflicted iron deficiency
relates to the "art of nutrition."
>Perhaps the real question is, why did the obese women in the study feel the
>need to have another meal? Were they just pigs that had to have one more
>meal? Or perhaps the normal weight women were just incredibly disciplined
>and were able to resist the desire to have another meal later. OR maybe it
>has something to do with carbohydrates. Hmmm. Suz
>
>PS I have many normal weight friends and I only know one that is actually
>disciplined. I am far more disciplined than the majority of my thin friends.
It really all hinges on what you mean by disciplined.
What cravings you set yourself to overcome.
joe remove digits to email
Ohhh, i have an indian restaurant just down the road, they serve "sag" I
always thought it looked kinda like spinach, but for some reason it tastes
like bologna?
Oh I see, you misunderstood, I was implying that as a matter of "letting
nature run its course" I'd kick your ass. Survival of the fittest, unless
you run away from me, I'd smear you, my gene's will survive yours will
end... then I'd probably eat your bloated corpse.
You're probably right, but I don't like the term. Give the weight, height,
and body fat percentage... anything else is just a biased interpretation.
I am beginning to not like you. I eat what I want when I want and I am
loosing fat, It can't be a bad thing no matter how much I cram down my
throat, so in light of further insults... fuck you.
Yesterday was the first time I've ever kill-filed somebody. Yuck. It made me
feel dirty.
~M'isa
>> 4 or 5 cans of spinach!!! Yeah, ... right, ... sure; Just try to tell
>> me that is a normal portion size.
>I am beginning to not like you. I eat what I want when I want and I am
>loosing fat, It can't be a bad thing no matter how much I cram down my
>throat, so in light of further insults... fuck you.
Eating 4 or 5 cans of anything in one sitting is my primary
explanation as to why FatSo's are so Fat.
It is really very simple. STOP: eating!!! You Pig. :)
You idiots can yack all you want to. You guys are too fat, plain and
simple, because you have been eating too much for far too long.
Oink, ... oink, oink
>> 4 or 5 cans of spinach!!! Yeah, ... right, ... sure; Just try to tell
>> me that is a normal portion size.
>I am beginning to not like you. I eat what I want when I want and I am
>loosing fat, It can't be a bad thing no matter how much I cram down my
>throat, so in light of further insults... fuck you.
Eating 4 or 5 cans of anything in one sitting is my primary
explanation as to why FatSo's are so Fat.
It is really very simple. STOP: eating!!! You Pig. :)
You idiots can yack all you want to. You can come with all the lameo
scientific explainations as to why it is *not* your fault. You guys
are too fat, plain and simple, because you have been eating too much
for far too long.
Oink, ... oink, oink!
Sag is prepared out of vegetable leaves - spinach being one of them. Not
sure what is bologna, but I suppose if bologna is added to the sag, it would
taste like bologna.
Thanks everyone.
Dara Singh
Time to kill-file another jerk.
Sue
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"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[82]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> FatSo's are FatSo's because they eat like pigs.
>
> Oink, ... oink, oink
> It is really very simple. STOP: eating!!! You Pig. :)
Tonia
"M'isa" <mi...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Tonia
"Sue" <sjc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Your posts are such a wonderful marketing tool. I'm sure this abusive
>approach results in thousands of new customers daily to your web site and
>philosophy....NOT!
This thread resulted in the revelation that:
1)Morbidly obese individuals think that their life threatening health
condition is a total joke; and
2)Eating 4 or 5 cans of spinach is considered a *normal* portion size.
I made more intellectual progress on morbid obesity in the last two
days than you have made all year. :-)
> Oink, ... oink, oink!
Thank you for your input. We will take it under consideration. You may
leave now.
--
Bob
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Opheia
"That T Woman" <nospa...@nts-online.net> wrote in message
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Wouldn't it suck to get you ass kicked py a pig? oink oink oink.
> >> 4 or 5 cans of spinach!!! Yeah, ... right, ... sure; Just try to tell
> >> me that is a normal portion size.
>
> >I am beginning to not like you. I eat what I want when I want and I am
> >loosing fat, It can't be a bad thing no matter how much I cram down my
> >throat, so in light of further insults... fuck you.
>
> Eating 4 or 5 cans of anything in one sitting is my primary
> explanation as to why FatSo's are so Fat.
no actually its from eating between 6 peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches a
day for the first 14 years of my life, that and 2 2liters of soda. Which
is actually quite a "normal" amount. Just not normal food.
> It is really very simple. STOP: eating!!! You Pig. :)
>
> You idiots can yack all you want to. You can come with all the lameo
> scientific explainations as to why it is *not* your fault. You guys
> are too fat, plain and simple, because you have been eating too much
> for far too long.
I have proof that you're wrong... proof proof prooof. I am loosing
weight (75lbs so far) and eating enough for 3 'normal' people. All my
numbers are great; blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol.
If nothing else, your posts are good for a few laughs. More "at you"
then "with you" but still...
(go ahead John, there's your cue to call me a 'dumb dieter')
>It's the thirteenth time I've had to kill-file John the ass-hole in the
>month or so that I've had my new computer and started my kill-file over from
>scratch! A constantly morphing addy is the surest sign of a troll!
May I suggest that you buy a newsreader that actually works?
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
Health-with-Attitude is a support group for people
trying to follow a Healthy Lifestyle.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
> Just not normal food.
That is precisely the problem.
What FatSo's consider *normal* is *not* NORMAL.
Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
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John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!
The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of the
biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17 webpages,
Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/) is now with more
documentation and sharper terminology than ever before.
>I have proof that you're wrong... proof proof prooof. I am loosing
>weight (75lbs so far) and eating enough for 3 'normal' people. All my
>numbers are great; blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol.
Now, if only your brain would get better. :-(
Anybody eating enough food for 3 people, will eventually plateau on
their weight loses.
you really have no idea do you? No longer anger, only pity. Another
brainwashed sheep, listen bub, your body can handle almost anything you
throw at it. The only thing eating more will make me do is poop more.
"Clay Tidwell" <cla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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He means that it tastes like baloney (which is spelt balogna).
>The only thing eating more will make me do is poop more.
Yeah! Surely eating for 3 three people wont result in weight gain.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
One can add that to sag. I have seen that.
Thanks bud.
Dara Singh
Tell it to your ISP ... the real one, not that faked one.
That would be ab...@worldnet.att.net
Have a nice day.
~~~~~
Rachel
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
- Groucho Marx
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>That would be ab...@worldnet.att.net
>
>Have a nice day.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
Maybe you better consult, first, with Steve Lemon?
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
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