Borrelogen
J.Taylor
about antibotics we don't get attacked. I know that when on them the first
go around I was "CURED".You know that word . What trueth is in that.
It wasn't but a few weeks later that I couldn't get out of bed.
I was pregnant with my 4th son in my 8th month and was losing weight fast. I
was lucky my son was born HEALTHY.
Little did we know that this child that never slept that cried all the time
just had what they (Drs.) called the 4th child syndrome. If anybody knows
what that is please let me know. After 4yrs. of heartache and him not being
able to talk he was tested and it came back positive for lyme. So I take
that is also the 4th child syndrome. They have a syndrome for everything. We
started out on antibotics and things started getting worse.
I searched and searched we had people praying for us when
we came across Borrelogen. I'm feeling better now than I have in years. My
son has been released from speech and the therapist was amazed. So all you
critics that said that they're in it for the money, who do you think gets
your money when you go to the doctor or to the pharmacist. Do you think they
are in it for free? Just a thought. I believe when you are sick enough you
will seek what will help. It has helped us. Julie mjte...@micoks.net
GLuka1207
I applaud you for your response. I too am taking Borrelogen with great
response. I have been reading the rude responses and the attacks on HolyGstPwr
the last 2 days. This really disgusts me that all you sceptics would be so
judgemental and harsh on this person. You all are missing the boat on this
one!! I think you all have let the lyme attack your brains and hearts. I know
what this has done for me and it is a miracle. I would rethink your harsh
judgement on this if I were you.
Golfdawg
In article <360c5...@news.sound.net>, "J.Taylor" <mjte...@micoks.net>
writes:
>
>To whom this may concern. It seems that as long as we put great things out
>about antibotics we don't get attacked. I know that when on them the first
>go around I was "CURED".You know that word . What trueth is in that.
>It wasn't but a few weeks later that I couldn't get out of bed.
This has been annoying but my problem is that there have been no specifics.
What kind of substance is these? How does it kill the bacteria? Does it
increase your energy level? How much does it cost? How much do you take each
day? Does it lessen joint pain? Does it reduce cognitive impairment? etc.,
etc., etc.,
The fact that NONE of this type of information has been offered makes me
suspect. People are certainly welcome to offer things that have improved their
symptoms on this NG, but normally they do explain what has happened that would
cause them to tell us about the product/drug/supplement.
When a blanket endorsement is made for *anything* my radar goes up and I
generally reject it as "too good to be true".
G. Copeland Cole
Carolyn
I just wanted to let you all know that I have been taking
Borrelogen, an herbal based plant supplement supposed to help those with
Lyme. After being on it for a few days, my symptoms got the worst that
they have ever been. This lasted for 2 weeks. What Borrelogen does is
to allow your immune system to finally "find" those bugs that love to
hide places in us. My immune system is obviously, now able to find the
spirochetes and kill them, because I have never experienced such a herx
like this! I have a ways to go in getting all the way better, but I
know in my heart that Borrelogen is finally allowing my own body to kill
them! I do not work for the company. I am just trying to let all of
you know what is working for me! I'll keep you posted! Borrelogen can
be found at http://www.jnutra.com
:o)
Carolyn
Carolyn
I just wanted to let you all know that I have been on Borrelogen, an
plant based liquid supplement, for a month now. I had a terrible 2
weeks where my symptoms were all back full force. I have never felt
this horrible in my whole Lyme experience. What Borrelogen does is to
allow your brain and body to finally see "find" the bacteria where it's
hiding in your body. Well, this was definitely happening with me,
because I had a major herx. I still have a ways to go, but I know in my
heart, that it is helping me. I don't work for the company. I just
want to let you all know what's working for me so you can all be
informed. Borrelogen can be found at http://www.jnutra.com Please go
there to at least read what they have to say. They are all doctors who
truly want to help us get better and have been spending alot of time and
research in coming up with something that does. There whole purpose is
not to get rich. People who work for the company Jernigan, have been
battling with Lyme for years and Borrelogen has greatly helped them. I
was recently emailed a letter from them letting me know that soon they
will have information either on their web site or that can be sent to
people about their studies with Borrelogen and the results of those
studies.
Thanks for listening. I will keep you posted on my progress!
:o)
Carolyn
Barbara N
(I guess)
-- barbara
In article <19981001151529...@ngol01.aol.com>, suf...@aol.com
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>x-no-archive:yes
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>Well, the spammers said to expect more testimonials, and they are good for
>their word on that point.
>
>
>Susan
>
>In article <36139BB8...@email.ro>, Carolyn <Car...@email.ro> writes:
>
>>Subject: Borrelogen
>>From: Carolyn <Car...@email.ro>
>>Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:11:51 +0000
>>you know what is working for me! I'll keep you posted! Borrelogen can
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GLuka1207
I was very glad to hear of others that have been taking borrelogen. I too am
taking it, although I am afraid to say too much good about it because of all
the sceptics in this newsgroup. I feel this is the right treatment for myself,
it might not be the right one for certain individuals. I am very glad to be on
it myself. I will keep you all posted on my results. I too am curently herxing,
I am just going to hang in there. I feel I have nothing to loose at this point.
Gary
yfel...@ix.netcom.com
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>
> Hey, why not just tell us what peer reviewed, credible scientific journals they
> are published in; we all know how to look this stuff up, rather than being
> spoon fed.
>
> Susan
Susan makes a very good point. I also will be waiting (with eager
anticipation)
to review VALID studies in respected scientific journals. Until that
point, testimonials
over the Internet from people I've neither heard of, nor met, have
absolutely no value or credibility to me.
Betsy, who is eagerly awaiting the miracle cure, and is ready to jump up
and down with optimism:-
Barbara N
-- barbara
In article <19981001225612...@ng106.aol.com>, lpurd...@aol.com
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>I recently wrote the company and asked for a copy of the clinical studies and
>this is the letter I received back
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>Subj: Good Morning from Jernigan Nutraceuticals
>Date: 98-09-30 09:53:01 EDT
>From: in...@jnutra.com (JNUTRA)
>Reply-to: and...@jnutra.com (JNUTRA)
>To: LPurd...@aol.com
Borrelogen is not a
>cure all or a cure.
>
>Andrew
>
>Jernigan Nutraceuticals, Inc.
>Order Toll Free @ 1-877-4JNUTRA
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LPurdy1040
I recently wrote the company and asked for a copy of the clinical studies and
this is the letter I received back
Subj: Good Morning from Jernigan Nutraceuticals
Date: 98-09-30 09:53:01 EDT
From: in...@jnutra.com (JNUTRA)
Reply-to: and...@jnutra.com (JNUTRA)
To: LPurd...@aol.com
Thank you for your recent inquiry and your interest. Our clinical studies
were with over 100 participants, but we have not compiled their written
testimonials as of yet. The clinical studies took place at independent
clinics where doctors undertook this for subjective studies. We do hope to
get more testimonials on the website and just in print within the next few
weeks. We will gladly answer any questions you may have as well. Check
with you MD also, since we do have quite a few MD's around the country that
are now using Borrelogen. We really were not prepared for the demand for
the product and are now having to prepare for the increasing number of
requests. We do welcome your call or emails and we will do our best to help
you. Our greatest concern is to improve your health. Borrelogen is not a
cure all or a cure. We do know that it greatly benefits people though.
Again, thank you for your interest and we look forward to hearing from you
again.
KJRU
Sure seems funny that you just found this newsgroup when you started taking
Borrelogen. Where have you been until you started this wonder drug and why
haven't you answered those asking for more specifics on the treatment?
What are your Lyme stories? What treatments were you on and why weren't you on
here before speaking of other treatments even if it was to speak of their
failure?
KJRU
If all these doctors are SO EAGER to help us Lyme patients~~why haven't they
posted here???????
I too am eagerly waiting the scientific info other than "It knows how to find
it in your body"
Also, if none of you are making money on this why do you continue to post here,
you have certainly made your point~~and then some!!!
~~kj~~
Veronica Parcan
they actually think we will buy this product w/ a testimonial, among
others, from the Holy Ghost Power?
Their actions are detestable if they think they can profit on our
misery. No professional ethics wahtsoever here.
Veronica
Rita Stanley
alternatives. In the NW we are fortunate to have leading alternative
schools for chiropractic and naturopathic and Chinese medicine. I use
alternatives myself in a judicious manner. I have calls from everywhere
asking about different alternative approaches, BUT I have never heard
anything of this Borrelogen. Nada.
It's a bunch of herbs. I'll run it past my naturopath next week. I am on
some herbs, but none of the ones look familiar in this formulation. My
naturopath knows of herbs that may be useful in Lyme, but she uses certain
ones on an individual basis. She is also aware that there are some
companies out there to avoid. I'll listen to her.
The way they are marketing this, initially using the religious approach
(that they saw REALLY backfired on them - so backed off) is super sleezy.
Of course, they will rope in the truly desperate, and That PO's me big time.
And if this stuff is so hot shot, send it to someone we know and believe in.
Then we'll follow their reactions.
Anyway, there is no way in God's green earth that this is some magic bullet.
There aren't any.
Rita
Shore59
I am so desperate as i caan'y take the abx is this borrelogen for real thanks
Marnie
Steph571
I would absolutely ask for names and phone numbers of the doctors involved in
the clinical studies and check them out fully before taking anything
Stephanie
Shore59
hi rita i would love to know what you are taking i have found a chinese dr but
am leary about there ways. I bought a package deal 425 for 5 sessions of
accupuncture and the herbs to make the tea. The first day taking the tea 15
minutes later was herxing like crazy so they said freeze the tea ans herbs now
i am on some capsules which i can only take at night because of the herxing who
the hell knows if this is on the up and up. I had a herbalist before who gave
me ginseng and astragolis and said i was to weak to take the infection tea but
she moved away so i feel loke i am jumping aroud any suggestions you seem so
intune with lyme. Please tell me what you are taking thanks marnie
Amanda Rowe
Shore59 <sho...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981002162701...@ng19.aol.com>...
>
> hi rita i would love to know what you are taking i have found a chinese
dr but
> am leary about there ways.
Just be careful of Chinese medicine, it can be potent!!! Some of the herbs
etc they use are fairly toxic and you should check all the ingredients. I
do know there was some sort of Chinese potion for psoriasis some time back
and it caused liver damage, failure in some children. And I believe that at
the time the practitioners giving this potion were told to ask if the
person receiving it had ever suffered jaundice, even as a baby. Not saying
don't try it, but if you do check to be sure you know what you are taking
and do a search on the web for side effects and counterindications.
GLuka1207
Marnie,
I am taking the borrelogen. you should contact the company and check it out
for yourself. This product may not be for everyone, but it is for me. This is
their web: www.jnutra.com good luck
Gary
Rita Stanley
Shore59 wrote in message <19981002162701...@ng19.aol.com>...
>
>hi rita i would love to know what you are taking i have found a chinese dr
but
>accupuncture and the herbs to make the tea
Dear Marnie,
Of course I have taken antibioitcs for over 6 years. I found that they got
me "so far", so began exploring alternatives as adjunctives; now I am
maintaining on them. And if I do relapse, I will not hesitate to go back on
them.
I used to so be anti-non-Western medicine (I mean I did research in
medical physiology), I am ashamed at how narrow-minded I was.
Cheeze.......But when you find that you can't get off a plateau or
antibiotics, you try other things.......
I have done a number of things over the years. First I used EMF therapy and
that helped greatly with pain, energy levels and other symptoms. Then I
found HBOT, once my babesiosis was under control to help me greatly. After
that(last Sept), I pulled off all antibiotics using a 1 month Flagyl
pulloff, and went to my naturopath/chiropath/acupressure person who
individualized my treatment approach. I found that acupressure,
craniosacraltherapy, chiropractic, and certain herbs help me. Some of the
herbs that I take are red clover, gallium, burdock, but there are others
that I may be taking in the future. When I have a cold or flu or stress, I
take others. It is very individualized. I found that I could not appraoch
this willy-nilly. The doctor knows that not one thing may help each person,
and that one may need others at a later date. I also have found that
Vitamin B injections (12, 6, 5 and multiple) at differing time intervals
have made my neurologic problems minimal. Also Mg plus CA, I am also taking
an individualized vitamin, digestive enzymes, organic minerals, "Cataplex -
one of several types to aid in immune function". Also, am on a
constitutional homeopathic remedy.
It seems to be a puzzle as to how to appraoch this disease, and it takes a
lot of patience and willing to experiment. So, my only recommendation if
you wish to explore alternatives is to seek the advice of a good (by word of
mouth) alternative practioner. That may be hard in alot of areas of the
country, though, I realize.
Also, the tape by Dr. Raxlen, explores a good number of these, also.
Rita
DenimN
x-no-arachive:yes
I'd like to read research about this product, too...I'd like to know how this
product tells the body to seek Bb out. I'd like to know how it tells our
bodies to "see and find" Bb and how this product tells our bodies to KILL THE
SUCKERS. What is in this that tells our bodies to do that? I'm waiting...
Denim
Brian wrote:
<<<> Please though, something slightly more than "What Borrelogen does is to
allow
PSpatches
I agree with Denimn & Kjru.
I have a very extensive list of both
AOL Lyme afflicted and non-AOL.
I don't see any of those promoters
of this product on either list.
We have all been here posting, it seems
for decades and have come to know
many of the people who post. If there
was an actual post from one or more
of "us usuals", we may listen. It's a darn
shame what these people are doing to
unsuspecting and desparate Lyme people.
Giving false hopes is not a very
human thing to do. May they NEVER know
what this disease is like.
PSpatches
Money is not the root of all evil, but the
love of money is. Shame on you! Preying
on helpless, ill, desparate people.
No profile either! You should write one
up so people can read it and you can
further their "faith" in a suffering Lyme
person. God Bless you.
Debtoo2773
Thanks for wishing me freedom from Lyme, but I am a chroniclyme sufferer since
1991. I am relatively new to this newsgroup and from what I've gathered
Borrelogen has been on market for just 2 months. Please before you condemn ask
your llmd's to check with others! There is a md from michigan and ridgefield
who communicate and confirm that this product may be worth using, again stop
labeling people.
MOnkeys04
Dear Rita,
I am trying to find out a little more about HBO therapy? I read in your
post that you did it and I am wondering how long the effects lasted...were you
on IV at the time ...where did you do it ? how long etc? I am suffering quite a
bit right now...liver enzymes going up ..so have been taken off the meds for
now...I feel my brain slipping into oblivion....I would appreciate any and all
suggestions....
Thanks
AMY
Rita Stanley
MOnkeys04 wrote in message <19981003170735...@ng74.aol.com>...
>
>Dear Rita,
> I am trying to find out a little more about HBO therapy? I read in your
>post that you did it and I am wondering how long the effects lasted...were
you
>on IV at the time ...where did you do it ? how long etc?
An initial write-up of my first HBOT experience can be found on Lyme
Alliance web at : http://www.lymealliance.org/html/med1.html
I did relapse after this a couple months later, but the relapse hade a
curious "flavor": much muscle pain and sweating with fatigues although neruo
stuff didn't get worse. I hypothesized that maybe another infection (either
super or a co-infection) might have been made worse by the treatment.
Checked for Babesiosis and the ehrlichioses. Found that I had Babesiosis,
and figured that might be the culprit. I got treated with Clindamycin and
quinine in August, redid HBOT in September for three weeks and used
Zithromax pulsing (I have never been on IV - it's real hard to get in the
NW!!). Then I used 1 gram of Flagyl/day after the tratment for not quite a
month. Treated with diflucan for the candida, and used alternatives since.
I feel that it was pivotal in my regaining a healthier status, but feel that
one should rule out co-infections like Babesiosis first (or get them under
control) before doing it.
An in vitro study and in vivo animal study that will be up and running
shortly on the East coast will help delineate the particulars on HBOT and
Bb. The LA helped collect funds for this study, and I am excited about what
the results will yield. Potassium Iodide will also be looked at as a
possible treatment, too.
Rita
GLuka1207
I agree, quit labeling!!!
Rita Stanley
>Again, I agree! If this is such a wonderful product then let's get
>some honest testing performed on it with clinical trials and let the
>world know there's a cure for Lyme disease! Otherwise, it's simply
>more hype and bullshit and aimed at duping people in pain who are very
>sick and desperately seeking cures. Spam is spam, and to call it
>otherwise is misleading at best and possibly harmful at worst for
>those newbies who don't know the difference between spam, blatant
>misuse of discussion groups and honest sharing of some things that
>have helped some members with the same or similar medical problems.
>
And read the testimonials on the web site. In one case, a person supposedly
used Borrelogen to treat early disease: "I went for a 2nd opinion testing
shoed (sic) the bacteria for Lyme disease. I began his recommended treatment
of Borrelogen. Five weeks later I was tested clear of the Lyme bacteria. I
am very grateful that we could treat it early because I've read that Lyme
can have very devastating symptoms years later if left untreated."
What is this implying? To use this stuff instead of antibiotics for early
disease? Is this irresponsible or dangerous? And how anyone knew that Lyme
bacteria were "cleared" is beyond reality.
And the next testimonial shows a "D.C." who used it for treating Rocky
Mountain Spotted Fever! That is treading on dangerous ground.
So make your own decisions on this kind of stuff. Use your horsesense.
Rita