Torture, Civil War II, the FBI, and the Judgment of Solomon- The Stale Mate
Mort Zuckerman
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Subject: Torture, Civil War II, the FBI, and the Judgment of Solomon-
The Stale Mate
Date: May 28, 2009 10:32 AM
The Judgment of Solomon over who is the real mother:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement_of_Solomon
The Stale Mate is over the FBI inventing (US) terrorists
in sting operations, Evangelitards approving Torture (Paul
Craig Roberts, below),
and the illegal wiretapping- which was intended by the Council
on Foreign Trilateral Bilderbergs and Israelis (who listen in
and steal all of these domestic communications):
http://www.actionlyme.org/070426.htm
Fox News on the Israeli spies and wiretapping:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bihSLKHpMHI
The Israelis also steal all the US Weapons Intelligence
while posing as Turks:
http://www.123realchange.blogspot.com/
Or are just plain CDC-Israeli bioweaponeers, like Alan
Barbour (whose business partner is Sven Borgstrom in Sweden)
Allen Steere, Robert Schoen, Mark Klempliar, and the
traitor, Edward McSweegan:
http://www.actionlyme.org/GOLDWATER_LETTER.htm
So I call it a Judgment of Solomon Stale Mate, because
real Americans would never kill other Americans if
there was to be a Civil War or a rebellion against
the Bigs. Yes, the stupid cops and the stupid FBI
and the stupid USDOJ and the even stupider MSM
are in the way of the resolution of all these crimes
including the 911 Terror-For-Oil stunt, but think hard...
We're stale-mated.
Maybe some kooks like Tim McVeigh and the Waco wackos
would buy into the anarchy scheming, but a real American?
If the Guv deployed the Military against US civilians,
who could shoot American soldiers... really...
???
Our *only* option is to convince the cops/FBI that
the real enemy is the human rights abusers among
the US Bigs, and the wiretapping, infiltrating,
intelligence stealing Israelis. The only thing
we can do is convince the cops that the real human
rights activists are not the same as the US Gays who
have their *own* pervert agenda.
That's going to take multiple approaches because
cops are natural-born knuckleheads and cowards.
KMDickson
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Tales From the Dark Side
Torture and the American Conscience
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Torture is a violation of US and international law. Yet, president
George W. Bush and vice president Dick Cheney, on the basis of legally
incompetent memos prepared by Justice Department officials, gave the
OK to interrogators to violate US and international law.
The new Obama administration shows no inclination to uphold the rule
of law by prosecuting those who abused their offices and broke the
law.
Cheney claims, absurdly, that torture was necessary in order to save
American cities from nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists. Many
Americans have bought the argument that torture is morally justified
in order to make terrorists reveal where ticking nuclear bombs are
before they explode.
However, there were no hidden ticking nuclear bombs. Hypothetical
scenarios were used to justify torture for other purposes.
We now know that the reason the Bush regime tortured its captives was
to coerce false testimony that linked Iraq and Saddam Hussein to al
Qaeda and September 11. Without this “evidence,” the US invasion of
Iraq remains a war crime under the Nuremberg standard.
Torture, then, was a second Bush regime crime used to produce an alibi
for the illegal and unprovoked US invasion of Iraq.
U.S. Representative Ron Paul (R,Tx) understands the danger to
Americans of permitting government to violate the law. In “Torturing
the Rule of Law”, he said that the US government’s use of torture to
produce excuses for illegal actions is the most radicalizing force at
work today. “The fact that our government engages in evil behavior
under the auspices of the American people is what poses the greatest
threat to the American people, and it must not be allowed to stand.”
One might think that the American public’s toleration of torture
reflects the breakdown of the country’s Christian faith. Alas, a
recent poll released by the Pew Forum reveals that most white
Christian evangelicals and white Catholics condone torture. In
contrast, only a minority of those who seldom or never attend church
services condone torture.
It is a known fact that torture produces unreliable information. The
only purpose of torture is to produce false confessions. The fact that
a majority of American Christians condone torture enabled the Bush
regime’s efforts to legalize torture.
George Hunsinger, professor at Princeton Theological Seminary, has
stepped into the Christian void with a powerful book, Torture is a
Moral Issue. A collection of essays by thoughtful and moral people,
including an American admiral and general, the book demonstrates the
danger of torture to the human soul, to civil liberty, and to the
morale and safety of soldiers.
Condoning torture, Hunsinger writes, “marks a milestone in the
disintegration of American democracy.” In his contribution, Hunsinger
destroys the constructed hypothetical scenarios used to create a moral
case for torture. He points out that no such real world cases ever
exist. Once torture is normalized, it is used despite the absence of
the hypothetical scenario.
Hunsinger notes that “evidence” obtained by torture can have
catastrophic consequences. In making the case against Iraq at the UN,
former Secretary of State Colin Powell assured the countries of the
world that his evidence rested on “facts and conclusions based on
solid intelligence.” Today Powell and his chief of staff, Col.
Lawrence Wilkerson, are ashamed that the “evidence” for Powell’s UN
speech
turned out to be nothing but the coerced false confession of Al-Libi,
who was relentlessly tortured in Egypt in order to produce a
justification for Bush’s illegal invasion of Iraq.
Some Americans, unable to face the criminality and inhumanity of their
own government, maintain that the government hasn’t tortured anyone,
because water boarding and other “enhanced interrogation techniques”
are not torture. This is really grasping at straws. As Ron Paul points
out, according to US precedent alone, water boarding has been
considered to be torture since 1945, when the United States hanged
Japanese military officers for water boarding captured Americans.
If the Obama regime does not hold the Bush regime accountable for
violating US and international law, then the Obama regime is complicit
in the Bush regime’s crimes. If the American people permit Obama to
look the other way in order “to move on,” the American people are also
complicit in the crimes.
Hunsinger, Paul and others are trying to save our souls, our humanity,
our civil liberty and the rule of law. Obama can say that he forbids
torture, but if those responsible are not held accountable, he has no
way of enforcing his order. As perpetrators are discharged from the
military and re-enter society, some will find employment as police
officers and prison officials and guards, and the practice will
spread. The dark side will take over America.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
Reagan administration. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good
Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCrai...@yahoo.com
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http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/la-na-fbi28-2009may28,0,5875337.story
From the Los Angeles Times
FBI planning a bigger role in terrorism fight
Bureau agents will gather evidence to ensure that criminal
prosecutions of alleged terrorists are an option. The move is a
reversal of the Bush administration's emphasis on covert CIA actions.
By Josh Meyer
May 28, 2009
Reporting from Washington - The FBI and Justice Department plan to
significantly expand their role in global counter-terrorism
operations, part of a U.S. policy shift that will replace a CIA-
dominated system of clandestine detentions and interrogations with one
built around transparent investigations and prosecutions.
Under the "global justice" initiative, which has been in the works for
several months, FBI agents will have a central role in overseas
counter-terrorism cases. They will expand their questioning of
suspects and evidence-gathering to try to ensure that criminal
prosecutions are an option, officials familiar with the effort said.
Though the initiative is a work in progress, some senior counter-
terrorism officials and administration policy-makers envision it as
key to the national security strategy President Obama laid out last
week -- one that presumes most accused terrorists have the right to
contest the charges against them in a "legitimate" setting.
The approach effectively reverses a mainstay of the Bush
administration's war on terrorism, in which global counter-terrorism
was treated primarily as an intelligence and military problem, not a
law enforcement one. That policy led to the establishment of the
prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; harsh interrogations; and detentions
without trials.
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The "global justice" initiative starts out with the premise that
virtually all suspects will end up in a U.S. or foreign court of law.
That will be the case whether a suspected terrorist is captured on the
battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, in the Philippine jungle or in a
mosque in Nigeria, said one senior U.S. counter-terrorism official
with knowledge of the initiative.
"Regardless of where any bad guy is caught, we want the bureau to be
in a position to put charges on them," the official said, adding that
the Bush administration's emphasis on CIA and military operations
often marginalized the FBI -- especially when it came to interrogating
suspects.
Like others interviewed for this article, the official spoke on the
condition of anonymity because no one has been authorized to discuss
the initiative publicly. "We have no comment on it at this time," FBI
Assistant Director John J. Miller, the bureau's chief spokesman, said
when asked about the initiative.
Upon taking office in January, Obama shut down the CIA's secret "black
site" prisons and forbade the use of coercive interrogation
techniques.
That opened the door for an increased role for the FBI, which for the
last year has deployed more agents and analysts overseas to work
alongside the CIA, U.S. military and foreign governments.
The initiative would mean even broader incorporation of the FBI and
Justice Department into global counter-terrorism operations. Many
national security officials said it is a vindication of the FBI, which
before Sept. 11 had played a leading role in international terrorism
investigations.
FBI agents for years had used non-coercive interrogations to thwart
attacks, win convictions of Al Qaeda operatives and gain an
encyclopedic knowledge of how the terrorist network operates. But they
withdrew from questioning important suspects after the bureau opposed
the tactics being used by the CIA and military -- often by
inexperienced civilian contractors.
The harsh interrogations provided such bad information that U.S.
agents spent years chasing false leads around the world, former FBI
agent Ali Soufan testified before Congress two weeks ago. "It was one
of the worst and most harmful decisions made in our efforts against Al
Qaeda."
Bush administration officials, however, have defended the tactics and
rejected claims that the FBI's methods would have worked better.
"With many thousands of lives potentially in the balance, we did not
think it made good sense to let the terrorists answer questions in
their own good time," former Vice President Dick Cheney said in a
speech this month.
The FBI itself has been criticized, as has the CIA, for failing to
connect the dots before the Sept. 11 attacks. In hindsight, the
evidence pointed to a clear and intensive Al Qaeda effort to launch
attacks on U.S. soil.
Before Sept. 11, the FBI model of "informed" interrogation -- knowing
everything about a suspect to get them talking -- was the preferred
method of intelligence and military interrogators.
Even veteran CIA agents said that abandoning that approach after Sept.
11 was counterproductive. "To use a contractor to ask the questions
and not let the FBI guy who's collected all the evidence and knows all
of the intelligence about these guys, it makes no sense at all," said
former CIA counter-terrorism case agent Robert Baer.
One intelligence official said the FBI's expanded role in the global
fight against terrorism was a natural outgrowth of the Obama
administration's new priorities. "It stands to reason because, by
executive order, the CIA is out of the long-term detention business,"
the official said, referring to Obama's closing of overseas prisons.
Richard Clarke, a senior counter-terrorism official in the Clinton and
George W. Bush administrations, said the turnabout was long overdue.
"We have to return to the practice that we had before of arresting
terrorists and putting them on trial," said Clarke, who added that the
country's ability to do that "has atrophied."
CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the agency would continue to play a
central role in interrogations and counter-terrorism operations --
using techniques approved by the U.S. Army Field Manual-- in
conjunction with other U.S. agencies.
Behind the scenes, some intelligence officials are resisting a broader
criminal justice role overseas for the FBI, contending that it could
inhibit the flow of intelligence if their own agents, or foreign
governments, believe top-secret sources and methods might be disclosed
during criminal prosecutions.
Two senior U.S. officials said efforts are being made to ensure that
intelligence-gathering and law enforcement efforts proceed side by
side. They stressed that the CIA and military would continue to play
pivotal roles, particularly in gaining strategic intelligence against
terrorist groups and thwarting future attacks.
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