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This morning film maker, writer, artist Theo van Gogh was murdered.

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Martijn

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Nov 2, 2004, 2:38:37 PM11/2/04
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This morning film maker, writer, artist Theo van Gogh was murdered. Likely
because of his opinions about the Islam.
He was riding his bike when he was shot and stabbed. He was on his way to
see the first editing of his new movie that was just finished.
A movie about the politician Pim Fortuyn, who was murdered 911 days ago..

Frank de Groot

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Nov 2, 2004, 3:06:22 PM11/2/04
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"Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote

> This morning film maker, writer, artist Theo van Gogh was murdered. Likely
> because of his opinions about the Islam.

It was because he said on national radio that Mohammed was a child fucker.
Making it a suicide.

> He was riding his bike when he was shot and stabbed.

To be more accurate, he was shot and then his throat was cut.
The perpetrator used 2 knives, one to cut his throat and one to attach a
message on a piece of paper to his chest, clearly making it premeditated
murder.

This message has been kept secret up till now.

The interesting thing was that EOM, who predicted the 9/11 attacks, said:
"The next attacks on the US will begin with the assassination of people
worldwide who are the enemy of islam" (or something like that).

Anyway, Theo van Gogh (decendent of the famous painter's brother) was a
respectless hate-mongerer and an opportunistic self-aggrandizing a-hole. He
made his money by selling obscene, insulting garbage and spouting populistic
insults on TV.

Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, but a one-man crusade against
Islam will result in a speedy death, in banana republics like the
Netherlands. The Netherlands is a de-facto islamic state and the Dutch have
wanted it that way, they have spent decades inviting the most radical
islamic people into their borders and encouraged them to bring their
families as well.

If you do not like to be run over by a different culture, do not do your
best to bring them into your country. It is preposterously naive to expect
that your culture will be adopted by a foreign culture. The solution to
culture clashes is not insulting the other culture. The solution is
isolation of cultures, as evolution intended.


Frank de Groot

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Nov 2, 2004, 3:33:23 PM11/2/04
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The mistake was that the Dutch thought: "Our culture is so much superior to
muslim culture, they will quickly adapt to ours".

While in fact the Dutch culture is no culture at all.
They have no values. They do not respect the elderly, they do not respect
anything.

They smear shit around their anusses with paper, insstead of washing their
ass like muslims do.

Often, muslims asked me: "Why is your culture so disgustingly primitive?"
"Why do you not cleaan your ass after shitting?".

The Dutch still believe that the muslims will adapt to their culture, LOL.
That they will kick their elderly into a euthanasia-"home", that they will
stop cleaning their asses after shitting and that they will start to like
women-degrading pornography instead of pious music.

If any culture will absorb another, it will be islamic absorbing western.

Now, no muslim immigrant will start running amok when a country says in
advance: "Openly practicing or spreading Islam is illegal here". Spreading
hinduism is illegal in all muslim countries. As is spreading other religions
there. So they will understand that our culture wants to protect itself.

Theo van Gogh signed his own death warrant by proclaiming that fundamental
muslims are "goat fuckers".
This was untrue, and he knew it. The Dutch have grown accustomed to gross
insults, but they decided that it was a very good idea to invite millions of
fundamentalistic muslims. And now they don't like their "slaves" any more.
They were supposed to be slaves! Danm, something went wrong and now the
slaves are getting stronger than their masters!

When you want to live in a "democracy", you surrender your future to
corporations.
The corporations decided they needed muslim slaves.
The plebs thought that was a wonderful enrichment of their culture.

Now, the muslims refuse to keep up with the onslaught of porn, violence in
the media, discrimination, verbal abuse, restrictive laws, low prison
sentences for murderers, censorship, respectless treatment in hospitals etc.
To them, our culture is totally barbaric in many respects. They want to save
us, for our own good and for their own future.

In the Netherlands, a judge decided that it is allowed to kill seniors in
senior citizen homes by denying them food and drink. This to make up room
for others. When this start to happen to muslim senior citizens, expect
mass-slaughter in the streets. Muslims simply don't take bullshit like the
Dutch LOVE to take any way they can. The Dutch guzzle bullshit like ranja
and have been trained to like it and say thank you.


derdrittemann

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Nov 3, 2004, 7:48:39 PM11/3/04
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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message news:<YaShd.4904$rh1.1...@news2.e.nsc.no>...


" While in fact the Dutch culture is no culture at all.

They smear shit around their anusses with paper, insstead of washing their
ass like muslims do".


Only on sci.med.diseases.lyme can you learn stuff like this.

Frank de Groot

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Nov 3, 2004, 8:09:10 PM11/3/04
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"derdrittemann" <derdritt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> Only on sci.med.diseases.lyme can you learn stuff like this.

A picture of Mr. Van Gogh with 2 knives sticking out of him:

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/4214/gogh.jpg

(The small knife is used to pin a note calling for Jihad to his tummy).


Martijn

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Nov 4, 2004, 4:20:30 AM11/4/04
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Considering the quality, this picture was probably taken with a mobile
phone's camera, don't you think?


Frank de Groot

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Nov 4, 2004, 6:07:23 AM11/4/04
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"Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote

>
> Considering the quality, this picture was probably taken with a mobile
> phone's camera, don't you think?


Who cares, or is it important?
What is important that I am a refugee from my country because it has been
taken over by criminal organizations.


Martijn

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Nov 4, 2004, 7:02:24 AM11/4/04
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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> schreef in bericht
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> "Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote
>>
>> Considering the quality, this picture was probably taken with a mobile
>> phone's camera, don't you think?
>
>
> Who cares, or is it important?

It's not important, I was just imagining somone passing by and take a photo
with his phone.


Frank de Groot

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Nov 4, 2004, 7:37:44 AM11/4/04
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"Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote

> It's not important, I was just imagining somone passing by and take a
photo
> with his phone.


Who gives a FUCK!!!
The asshole is dead, good riddance!


Martijn

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> They have no values. They do not respect the elderly, they do not respect
> anything.

True, not much respect for elderly. People are too much busy with work,
career, making money, having big house, car, etc. it's a consumption
society.

> Theo van Gogh signed his own death warrant by proclaiming that fundamental
> muslims are "goat fuckers".

And recently he made the short movie "Submission" with the script of Ayaan
Hirsi Ali, a movie about violence against Muslimwomen. They were both
threatened, but Ayaan has protection.

Some more info:
"Dutch probe Casablanca link to filmmaker death":
http://home.eircom.net/content/reuters/worldnews/4373335?view=Eircomnet

> This was untrue, and he knew it. The Dutch have grown accustomed to gross
> insults, but they decided that it was a very good idea to invite millions
> of
> fundamentalistic muslims. And now they don't like their "slaves" any more.
> They were supposed to be slaves! Danm, something went wrong and now the
> slaves are getting stronger than their masters!

Until 2002 they were busy planting "asylum seekers centra" everywhere across
the country, and if you critised the policies, you were called a racist.

> Now, the muslims refuse to keep up with the onslaught of porn, violence in
> the media, discrimination, verbal abuse, restrictive laws, low prison
> sentences for murderers, censorship, respectless treatment in hospitals
> etc.
> To them, our culture is totally barbaric in many respects. They want to
> save
> us, for our own good and for their own future.

Every culture has it's good and bad things. For example: that women have
more or less the same rights in the Netherlands is good.


Martijn

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> Anyway, Theo van Gogh (decendent of the famous painter's brother) was a
> respectless hate-mongerer and an opportunistic self-aggrandizing a-hole.

Yes, he was. Lots of people here now say he was an advocate of the right to
have an opinion, but he was just insulting and very rude. People thinks it's
funny to be rude and insult people, but all that crap has a bad influence on
the society.

> Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, but a one-man crusade
> against
> Islam will result in a speedy death, in banana republics like the
> Netherlands.

He was also insulting the Christians, he was insulting whenever he could.
Difference is that insulting Islam is dangerous. Especially when you make a
movie with a politician, who has some influence. I think Ayaan must be very
careful..


Frank de Groot

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Nov 4, 2004, 11:16:08 AM11/4/04
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"Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote

> Every culture has it's good and bad things. For example: that women have
> more or less the same rights in the Netherlands is good.

No.
That is not good. It leads to increased discrimination against women.
When a woman can lift 2 times less heavy weights but a moving company has to
pay her the same, that company will try not to hire women at all.

Then, what is not good is that women & men have the same *obligations*.
It flies against the face of science and common sense to oblige women with
small kids to find a job.
This is corporate slavery that is responsible for the decay of society.

One reason western countries have become violent, valueless societies is
exactly the "emancipation" of women.
Almost nobody understands that and I donæt vlame you if you don't either.

Women are not men and they should neither have the same rights, nor the same
obligations.
Anyone saying otherwise is a fascist, trying to impose things on women that
are sociologically, anthropologically and scientifically detrimental.

In norway, some companies got into great trouble.
There is a new law that said that women HAD to make up 40% or more in the
company "council".
But the more technical companies didn't have any women volunteers. They were
interviewed and they said: "We are not interested in this, neither do we
know enough about this".

Then the government told those companies: "If you don't put more women in
those councils, we will have to fine you or close you down". So they removed
some motivated experts (males) and replaced them with coffee ladies, bribed
for their cooperation with small wage increases. Result: Deteriorating
international competitive position, nervous coffee ladies, desillusioned
ex-council members.


Frank de Groot

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Nov 4, 2004, 11:18:26 AM11/4/04
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"Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote

> He was also insulting the Christians, he was insulting whenever he could.

I think he forfeited his right to live by defending the right to smoke.

> Difference is that insulting Islam is dangerous. Especially when you make
a
> movie with a politician, who has some influence. I think Ayaan must be
very
> careful..


Ayaan has no chance of survival unless she will be forever under the
strictest protection.
I am pretty sure "assassination lists" are being drawn up by the provisional
islamic government of the Netherlands.

This is what I said about it:

"Hieke" <takeawaythi...@dutchweb.nl> wrote

> Alleen communicatie met mensen om zich heen had de verdachte volgens haar
af
> kunnen brengen van de gedachte dat het normaal is om iemand te doden wiens
> mening jou niet aanstaat. "Nergens ter wereld is het normaal om iemand te
> vermoorden omdat je het niet met hem eens bent."


Da's totaal gelul, en dat weet ze donders goed.
In zelfs het gematigste islamitische land ben je binnen een paar dagen dood
als je op TV en radio zegt dat Mohammed een kinderverkrachter was. Niet zo
slim he, dat te doen.. (Behalve als je zelfmoord wil plegen).
Het "probleem" is dat er zoveel moslims in NL wonen als je zo graag
ongestraft grove beledigingen wilt doen aan het heiligste wat de moslims
hebben. Het probleem is niet dat de moslims geen ongelovigen willen worden.
Het is belachelijk te willen dat iemand van zijn geloof afstapt omdat ie in
een ander land gaat wonen.

Dat zou een nederlander ook niet doen. Dus waarom zoveel moslims naar NL
gehaald?
Er zijn toch wel een paar deskundigen die hadden kunnen voorspellen dat dat
tot een volledige islamisering zal leiden?
Kinderaantal, demografische origine en zo. Miljoenen laag opgeleide moslims.
Die zetten hun eigen land op in nederland. Uiteraard. Een schaduw-land met
hun eigen scholen, kerken, regels, taxibedrijven, winkels, stadsdelen,
TV-stations etc. Maar de kaaseters vonden dat een geweldige verrijking,
konden ze eens iets anders dan kaas eten.

Als nederlanders geen zin hebben in een islamitisch land te wonen dan moeten
ze de moslims niet uitnodigen.
Achteraf hun geloof gaan uitschelden en naief hopen dat de moslims van hun
geloof afstappen heeft geen zin, behalve dat het uiteindelijk tot een
burgeroorlog kan leiden.

Nederland is al zeer ver voorbij het punt dat er nog iets gedaan kan worden
aan de islamisering.
Als andere landen niet ge-islamiseerd willen worden, moeten ze een voorbeeld
aan NL nemen, hoe het niet moet.
(Hint: Geen miljoenen moslims uitnodigen).

Maar de nederlander is zo overtuigd van zijn superieure kultuur dat hij zich
niet kon voorstellen dat men zich niet zou "aanpassen". Dat moslims opeens
hun anus niet meer zouden wassen maar de stront er omheen smeren, dat de
moslim opeens porno vrouwvriendelijk zou vinden en zo. Moslims vinden het
grootste deel van de NL kultuur barbaars, en ze hebben nog gelijk ook, dat
maakt het zo moeilijk voor ze om te assimileren.

Kulturen zijn niet voor niks gescheiden geevolueerd.

Honderdduizenden van de best opgeleide nederlanders zijn al gevlucht en er
zullen er nog honderdduizenden volgen.
Dit versnelt het islamiseringsproces. Links & rechts, beiden even dom. Links
denkt dat nederland een Sharia-staat moet worden, rechts denkt dat alle
moslims terroristen zijn en dat hun kultuur minderwaardig is en dat de beste
oplossing het uitroeien van hun kultuur is en dat het een geweldig idee is
hun land met radioaktiviteit te vervuilen (Irak).

Allebei geen oplossing.
Het probleem is dat als je bedrijven de macht geeft, dat ze slaven gaan
binnenhalen ("gastarbeiders").
Daar is het mee begonnen. En die bedrijven slaagden erin ons wijs te maken
dat we Nazi's waren als we zeiden: "Dit is niet zo'n slim idee".

Er is dus iets mis met kapitalistisch-democratische systemen.
In Pakistan heeft men geen problemen met kaaseters. Daar kan een kaaseter
geen kerk beginnen of een kaaseter-school. Dat mag niet. Dus houdt men
Pakistan lekker leuk, geen gezeur met beledigingen over & weer en zo.
Prima systeem hoor, een diktatuur, zolang de diktator maar een beetje
redelijker is dan "het volk".

In NL gaf het volk hun land weg aan de moslims.
Dat vonden ze beter zo.
Ja, het nederlandse volk was erg slim. Regeerde zichzelf de grond in.

Frank de Groot

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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message
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> "Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote
>
> > Every culture has it's good and bad things. For example: that women have
> > more or less the same rights in the Netherlands is good.
>
> No.
> That is not good. It leads to increased discrimination against women.
> When a woman can lift 2 times less heavy weights but a moving company has
to
> pay her the same, that company will try not to hire women at all.


I think I should explain.
It should not be illegal to reward people according to their abilities &
contributions.
Giving women "equal rights" is something else than making it illegal to give
a woman a lower wage because the quality of her work is less.

This in fact leads to totally-male dominated professions, in fact it leads
to an almost total segregation of women in many parts of society. I have
hardly ever met a non-lesbian or non-transsexual programmer, for example.

A_Weisman

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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message news:<DNRhd.4903$rh1.1...@news2.e.nsc.no>...

> "Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote
>
> > This morning film maker, writer, artist Theo van Gogh was murdered. Likely
> > because of his opinions about the Islam.
>
> It was because he said on national radio that Mohammed was a child fucker.
> Making it a suicide.
>
> > He was riding his bike when he was shot and stabbed.
>
> To be more accurate, he was shot and then his throat was cut.
> The perpetrator used 2 knives, one to cut his throat and one to attach a
> message on a piece of paper to his chest, clearly making it premeditated
> murder.
>
> This message has been kept secret up till now.

You mean secret amongst you and the others in your terrorist cell?

> The interesting thing was that EOM, who predicted the 9/11 attacks, said:
> "The next attacks on the US will begin with the assassination of people
> worldwide who are the enemy of islam" (or something like that).

Frank de groot communicating yet another terrorist threat.

> Anyway, Theo van Gogh (decendent of the famous painter's brother) was a
> respectless hate-mongerer and an opportunistic self-aggrandizing a-hole. He
> made his money by selling obscene, insulting garbage and spouting populistic
> insults on TV.
>
> Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, but a one-man crusade against
> Islam will result in a speedy death, in banana republics like the
> Netherlands. The Netherlands is a de-facto islamic state and the Dutch have
> wanted it that way, they have spent decades inviting the most radical
> islamic people into their borders and encouraged them to bring their
> families as well.
>
> If you do not like to be run over by a different culture, do not do your
> best to bring them into your country. It is preposterously naive to expect
> that your culture will be adopted by a foreign culture. The solution to
> culture clashes is not insulting the other culture. The solution is
> isolation of cultures, as evolution intended.

More terrorist threats.

Reported to Department of Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, Interpol etc.

Frank de Groot

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"A_Weisman" <a_we...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> More terrorist threats.
>
> Reported to Department of Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, Interpol etc.


Have fun while you still can, "weisman".
Soon I will know who you are and where you live.


Frank de Groot

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"A_Weisman" <a_we...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Frank de groot communicating yet another terrorist threat.

It seems that Bin laden has something in store for you, punk.

http://www.trackingterrorism.com/Default.asp?dismode=article&foobar=670&artid=659

Why don't you tell your Nazi dept. of homeland security that.


derdrittemann

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Nov 5, 2004, 11:53:58 AM11/5/04
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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message news:<l4oid.5188$rh1.1...@news2.e.nsc.no>...

> >
> "What is important that I am a refugee from my country because it has been
> taken over by criminal organizations".


You are a refugee?

Why? Share with us.

I thought you wanted to live in Norway.

derdrittemann

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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message news:<NBsid.5265$rh1.1...@news2.e.nsc.no>...

> "> >
> "One reason western countries have become violent, valueless societies is
> exactly the "emancipation" of women.

Really. I was under the impression that "western countries" were among
the best-educated, highest standard of living, most powerful
economically and politically advanced nations in the world.

Twenty years ago, Frank, half of my law school class were women. Long
time ago.

The important thing, here, I would think, is that the individual has
the ability to decide what she wants to do with her life. That all her
options are available...rather than have someone else IMPOSE a
regimented existence on her.
She should get equal pay for equal work. If she is able to do heavy
labor and wants to...then she gets paid the same. Assault and battery
at the hands of her spouse is still assault and battery...regardless
of whether it takes place in the marital home or not. She decides
whether she wears a veil or not...whether she wants to be a physician
or not.

These are just basic, human values...regardless of sex of
ethnicity...strive to treat everyone equally under the law.

When a society discriminates and suppresses half its population...it
weakens itself...especially if it is imposed at the whim of "religious
law".

"Almost nobody understands that and I don't blame you if you don't
either".

That's because what your saying is complete authoritarian
anti-individualistic fascist BULLSHIT.

"Women are not men"...

Whew. Glad you got this one right, at least. Not goats, either,
although I do hear that some of your friends do get occasionally
confused on that score.

"... and they should neither have the same rights, nor the same
> obligations".

Oh...according to you...the great defender of truth and justice for
all...EXCEPT...women?

"Anyone saying otherwise is a fascist, trying to impose things on
women that
> are sociologically, anthropologically and scientifically detrimental".

WRONG.

FASCISIM...Frank...was notorious for the suppression of individual
liberties.
Especially the freedom of expression...of free speech.

YOU are the one sounding like a complete NAZI PIG here.

ANYONE who seems to endorse or approve of MURDER simply because of
what someone says...however offensive...

...is a sick NAZI bastard.

People who go around slitting throats in the name of religion...are
ill-educated, unwashed, raving homicidal maniacs.

The civilized world will not tolerate this.

Frank de Groot

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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote

> Who gives a FUCK!!!


> The asshole is dead, good riddance!


At second thought, having updated myself about this asshole's words the past
years since I was in exile, he has said a lot of true things. OK, he was an
asshole, but he was our, Dutch asshole. OK he was a psychopatic insulting
bastard but I think he said a lot of true things that nobody dared to say
(he also said a lot of bullshit things).

He did not only believe in free speech, he was of the suicidal opinion that
insulting free speech is the only good form of free speech. Unfortunately he
wasn't very clever and therefore did not study the subjects of his insults
first.

I had a similar problem one day when I was in the middle of a desert and I
told a bunch of guys that "I read that Mohammed was a thief and a child
rapist". The reply was: "You will likely be killed this night or the next in
your tent because those guys from the villages, they are furious at you
now". The problem was (I had to explain) that I had just READ this in some
book, not that I personally had that opinion. I was reading everything, the
Koran, the Hadiths etc. and I wanted to know the opinion of the people
around me about the allegations towards their prophet.

They were very reasonable. They said: "Oh.. Why didn't you tell us you READ
it!". Now we will not kill you of course because telling us you READ
something is not the same as INSULTING someone. I came a few times close to
death. Discussing religion in a remote desert area with bedoins and
villagers is a dangerous thing for an outspoken Dutchman. The Dutch have the
propensity for insults. The don't say: "I disagree", they say: "You're an
idiot and it's all bullshit". This will likely get you killed in cultures
that erent extremely rude, like those of the Dutch.

I only am familiar with one other culture that might be as rude, or very
much more rude, than the Dutch. That's the Zionist Entity's / Israel's
culture. But I think they make an exception to insulting the muslim religion
in public. They are rude, but they are not crazy. I have seen Israeli public
officials curse the shit out of senior citizens, I have seen Israeli
busdrivers do the same, but I have never seen Israeli's do things like Theo
van Gogh did. The Dutch do not understand yet that they have to share their
country with a VERY differnet culture. The Dutch have no honor whatsoever.
You can try. Walk up to a random Dutch and say: "Your mother is a whore".
Most Dutch will just shrug and ignore you. Now, the most un-honorable and
funnily the most disrespectful people on the planet (except the Israeli's of
course) have to share their tiny chemically polluted little county with
millions of people with strong "normen & waarden" (norms and values). The
Dutch don't have them but the muslims do. The Dutch are not used to people
having values. So they start to insult them, as this is the only thing the
Dutch understand, insults or appeasement. Appeasement didn't work for them
so now they try insults.

You can insult the scum weisman or the rabidly insane derdritteman without
any consequences whatsoever. They know they are scum.

Insulting people's religion is different. If people here would become
fanatic Weisman-believers, it would become a bad idea to say: "Weisman is a
goatfucker". Now, "Weisman is a goatfucker" is without risk and it relieves
the soul.

Insulting people's religion just makes them feel bad without any gain for
anyone. People with a religion usually mean it well.

What I think about religion: Very important & useful for the masses.
Annoying for people like me who like to sleep in the mornings and are woken
up by church bells or muezzins. Do I believe in God? Yes I do. But I believe
in a different nature of God than most people do.


Martijn

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> "Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote
>
>> Every culture has it's good and bad things. For example: that women have
>> more or less the same rights in the Netherlands is good.
>
> No.
> That is not good. It leads to increased discrimination against women.
> When a woman can lift 2 times less heavy weights but a moving company has
> to
> pay her the same, that company will try not to hire women at all.
>
> Then, what is not good is that women & men have the same *obligations*.
> It flies against the face of science and common sense to oblige women with
> small kids to find a job.
> This is corporate slavery that is responsible for the decay of society.

I was thinking about things like: have the right to vote, ability to become
a doctor, not be obligated to stop working when getting married, etc.
Doing the household and taking care of children is also important work.
Lot's of people don't respect that anough. When someone works at a day care
it's also work. I'm thinking about having choices, not obligations. So, not
obligate women with small kids to find a job. But if they want a part-time
job and share household with their partner then that's fine, in fact I think
that's very good for all members of the family. In contrary, when both
partners work full-time and the kids are "dumped" in a day care, then you
can wonder if that's good.
I think people should have freedom of how to live their lifes, as long as
it's not hurting people. For example: freedom of speech is good, but it has
it's borders, it's not good to insult people, it is not funny. On the other
hand, an insult is only an insult when someone feels insulted. People should
learn not to care too much about what others say. Often it says more about
the speaker.

Martijn

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> The Dutch have no honor whatsoever.
> You can try. Walk up to a random Dutch and say: "Your mother is a whore".
> Most Dutch will just shrug and ignore you.

I think I would also do that or make some clever reply. Not because I don't
have honor, but because I know that the remark says all about the person
saying it and nothing about my mother.

> Insulting people's religion just makes them feel bad without any gain for
> anyone. People with a religion usually mean it well.
>
> What I think about religion: Very important & useful for the masses.

Religion can be good, but often it's abused and misused and based on books
that aren't that positive as people think or state. The bible is often
called "book of love" and God "God of love". That's in fact what people
want, a religion/philosophy of love and respect. Better start all over again
and write a new book, one that is really a "book of love".


Frank de Groot

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"Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote

> want, a religion/philosophy of love and respect. Better start all over
again
> and write a new book, one that is really a "book of love".


Jesus' teachings come pretty close.


Frank de Groot

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"Martijn" <Kw...@hotmal.com> wrote

> hand, an insult is only an insult when someone feels insulted. People
should
> learn not to care too much about what others say. Often it says more about
> the speaker.


I can understand that muslims get nervous when someone says on TV that they
are goatfuckers and such.
They know that there are more guns than people in Holland.

Look at Rwanda. 1 million people killed because the others were influenced
on radio by one single guy.

People like van Gogh are trying to pick a fight, not doing anything useful.
He tried to start a civil war, that's all he did.
The Dutch are much to cowardly and weak a civil war, so they better not try.

They now pay the price for decades of eager islamization.
Now they shouldn't start to whine.
For decades, immigrants got priority in getting an appartment, they were
encouraged to keep their own language and encouraged in not learning Dutch,
encouraged in not only keeping their religion but encouraged in becoming
more "extreme" (or serious in their religion). Many decades people have
tried to start political parties to do something about it, and ALL OTHER
parties ostracised those political parties. Like nazi's, not democratic at
all.

Therefore NOBODY who voted for any political party except the extreme right
wong party "Centrumpartij" has any right to whine now. It's too late by far.
The only thing left is emigration, but the world is not waiting for millions
of rude, under-educated, arrogant Dutch.

A_Weisman

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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message news:<oNCid.5370$rh1.1...@news2.e.nsc.no>...

Frank you've expressed some lovely sentiments on this thread. All
archived for evidence against you.

Frank de Groot

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"A_Weisman" <a_we...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> Frank you've expressed some lovely sentiments on this thread. All


> archived for evidence against you.

It's not illegal to have opinions, fool.
You will discover that calling for assasination of people and accusing them
of crimes however will cause great trouble.


Martijn

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> The only thing left is emigration, but the world is not waiting for
> millions
> of rude, under-educated, arrogant Dutch.

I might immigrate to Portugal, it seems a nice country to me and I'm not
rude, under-educated and arrogant. :)

A_Weisman

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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message news:<Hm6jd.5648$rh1.1...@news2.e.nsc.no>...

> "A_Weisman" <a_we...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > Frank you've expressed some lovely sentiments on this thread. All
> > archived for evidence against you.
>
> It's not illegal to have opinions, fool.

It IS illegal to threaten people Frank and you have done that
repeatedly.

It IS illegal to make terrorist threats and you have done that
repeatedly.

> You will discover that calling for assasination of people and accusing them
> of crimes however will cause great trouble.

I will discover that? LOL Well I have NEVER called for the
assasination of anyone. YOU have.

I have pointed out that you have committed crimes.

Go ahead and "cause me trouble."

You're all talk and NO action. That's why your girlfriend left you.
Limpdick ahole.

A_Weisman

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"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message news:<W2Bid.5365$rh1.1...@news2.e.nsc.no>...

Oooooooh I'm soooooooooo scared francine. You freaking girlyman. Psychotic freak.

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