Update: No CANCER pain for three weeks now
awthrawthr
endometrial cancer who had worsening pain and bleeding and pain for a
period of six months.
She had told me that she'd stopped bleeding and had no pain for a
week.
Well, she's been on my recipe for 6 weeks now and her pain and
bleeding have been gone for three weeks. After six months of heavy
bleeding and pain, she is thrilled with her results so far.
She has received no medical treatments for her condition after
declining a hysterectomy.
The recipe consists of one freshly grated habaneros, and 2 cloves
freshly grated garlic put on sprouted bread, such as Ezekiel bread.
The peppers and garlc are smothered in butter to help quell the heat.
I'd eat this once a day. Some eat it twice a day. If my health was bad
or I had a lot of cancer, I'd go more slowly.
If I had weight loss or fluid retention from my cancer, I'd also take
6,000 mgs of evening primrose oil (EPO), in divided doses.
With no weight loss or fluid retention, I'd take a tablespoon or two
of emulsified cod liver oil each day. and not the EPO.
Take only one oil, not both, based on the one I needed at the time.
Cancer blood tests while on this diet will show high readings because
the cancer gets lysed out through the blood. If I'm feeling better and/
or observing my tumors getting smaller, I would celebrate high blood
antigen test results.
Peter Moran
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How old is this woman? What stage of cancer is this? How diagnosed? What
was thought to be the cause of her pain, as that is not a symptom of uterine
cancer unless very advanced?
There are many reasons why symptoms may fluctuate in cancer patients,
including that they may not be directly due to the cancer, and pelvic pain
and prolonged bleeding could well be due to associated benign disease. You
certainly should not be making any cancer claims without direct knowledge as
to the present state of her cancer and the ultimate outcome.
I initially assumed she must have very advanced uterine cancer, but now
wonder. What do you actually know about this patient? If she has early
uterine cancer of any type you are helping her go to the grave. By
spreading this trash you are also helping to spread the lie that cancer
cures can be found under any stone.
Or is all this just made up, to jerk the chains of those who think it is
criminal to offer bogus treatments to seriously ill people? I note some
variations in the story such as how long it took your treatment to work.
PM
awthrawthr
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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If you're going to call me a liar, Peter at least get the cancer
correctly. I told you it was endometrial. She said it was early stage
when it was biopsied. As I recall, she is about 50 years old.
She has written that she experienced worsening pain and bleeding since
her diagnosis. So we don't know what the Stage was when she started on
my recipe six weeks ago. She stopped experiencing pain and bleeding
three weeks ago...beginning three weeks after starting on the recipe.
In other words, if there was a placebo effect it took three weeks for
it to start. When someone stops bleeding for three weeks after six
mpnths of worsening bleeding, that's a whale of a placebo effect.
So let's get something straight despite your attempts to mislead and
lie. She did indeed have cancer. But you need to believe otherwise
because you have a mental block against admitting what is real.
Peter Moran
PM I am not in any way trying to mislead or lie. I am trying to get
information that has a bearing on YOUR claim. How long ago was she
diagnosed, and how? What did the histology say? These are not idle
questions -- I have often found that patients have received totally false
impressions of what they have been told. I have had patients tell me they
have cancer, but then found that not to be true once their old records could
be examined, or that they had only carcinoma in situ, that may take years or
never become frank cancer.
PM The age is relevant because the menopause may have something to do with
the cessation of pain and bleeding at this time.
PM
awthrawthr
type of cancer and pretended to know whether she had cancer or not
despite a biopsy to the contrary.
If that isn't misleading, then there is no such thing.
I am trying to get
> information that has a bearing on YOUR claim. How long ago was she
> diagnosed, and how? What did the histology say? These are not idle
> questions -- I have often found that patients have received totally false
> impressions of what they have been told. I have had patients tell me they
> have cancer, but then found that not to be true once their old records could
> be examined, or that they had only carcinoma in situ, that may take years or
> never become frank cancer.
>
> PM The age is relevant because the menopause may have something to do with
> the cessation of pain and bleeding at this time.
Again you are ASSUMING she did not have cancer based on nothing other
than your mental incapacity to accept what you disagree with.
You're really pitiful when you react in this way:
1- she had a biopsy that CONFIRMED her cancer
2- had bleeding
3- She had pain
4- her bleeding worsened for 6 months
5- her pain worsened for 6 months
6- After three weeks of my recipe, her pain stopped
7- after three weeks of my recipe, her bleeding stopped
8- Three week slate she continueds to have zero pain
9- Three weeks later she has no bleeding.
PM- it must have been her imagination all along.
Jan Drew
Wow! Imaginary blood. Imaginary pain.
Pay no mind to Peter Moran. He is a proven liar.
He could see no cover-ups when Jesse Gelsinger was murdered by Dr. Wilson
and remained on staff.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/460b59dc94c98fb5
*Years earlier, a scientist just a few miles away from the Gelsinger's
>> home
>> in
>> Tucson had raised serious questions about whether the experiment was
>> safe.*
>> Documents
>> . Feb. 8, 2002: FDA letter, attempt to ban Dr. Wilson from other
>> experiments.
>> . March 3, 2000: FDA Warning Letter, original findings about the gene
>> therapy experiment.
>> (No coverups there,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
>> The trouble is, Paul Gelsinger says, Dr. Wilson's team had never told him
>> that anyone had ever raised questions about safety
>> (That's fine and dandy according to organized medicine member, Peter
>> Moran.)
>> ADVERSE REACTIONS WERE NOT REPORTED
>> And that was just the beginning. Federal investigators, pouring
>> through
>> Penn's records, announced at the conference that they had made a series
>> of
>> startling discoveries, raising questions about whether the doctors had
>> covered
>> up problems and broken basic test rules.
>> In fact, just a few months before Jesse had signed up for the experiment,
>> several monkeys given viruses similar to Jesse's got sick. And two of
>> them
>> died.
>> (No coverup there)
>> The rules for the experiment said: Even if volunteers didn't get visibly
>> ill,
>> if tests showed that any of them had a significant reaction called "grade
>> 3," the experiment was supposed to be "halted" immediately.
>> Records show there were "grade 3" reactions in more than one
>> patient. The first time, doctors stopped, called the government and got
>> permission to continue, saying an unusual condition with the patient
>> might
>> have
>> been the cause.
>> The second time, they stopped, called and got permission again,
>> citing
>> another unusual condition.
>> But when it happened a third time, they didn't stop, didn't call.
>> Then, a fourth time. They didn't stop or call then either
>> (No coverups there).
>> For their own safety, volunteers weren't supposed to have a blood
>> ammonia level higher than 50. But people were coming in with higher
>> levels
>> and
>> without proper approval. The limit was raised to 70.
>> When Jesse signed up over the summer, he was within the limits, but
>> records show that when Penn doctors tested him, just days before the
>> experiment, his reading was 114 - more than double the original safety
>> limit.
>> (That's way cool huh Peter???)
>> HIGH FINANCIAL STAKES
>> With so many red flags from the monkey deaths to the reactions in
>> other
>> volunteers, even to Jesse's own ammonia levels, Why had Dr. Wilson's team
>> allowed the experiment to continue?
>> (Wonder if Peter can answer this question?)
>> At the University of Pennsylvania, the conflict committee approved
>> Dr.
>> Wilson's arrangement with Genovo.
>> In fact, the university itself owned a piece of his company and
>> stood to
>> profit, too.
>> (Hmmmmmmmmm).
>> In a statement, the university acknowledged that some information
>> "should have been shared with the FDA sooner."
>> (Just a minor little slip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
>> There was no information given to Jesse or his family about the monkey
>> deaths.
>> There was no information given to Jesse or his family about toxic results
>> in
>> prior patients. There was no information that would allow Jesse and his
>> family
>> to make any kind of informed decision."
>> (Peter STILL can't see any coverup!!!! NO dishonesty!)
>> CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS
>> He told congress that other private companies in the race for cures
>> had
>> also been doing gene therapy experiments and had also gotten adverse
>> reactions.
>> But instead of sharing the information, government rules allowed them to
>> stamp
>> those reactions "confidential," classifying them as trade secrets to
>> protect their research investments.
>> So, while the government knew about them, other researchers like
>> Dr.
>> Wilson and volunteers like Jesse Gelsinger were never allowed to see
>> them.
>> (TRust the government!!!)
>> "I was outraged," says Paul. "I had a right to know. Jesse had a right to
>> know.
>> (Oh my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,emotions).
>> ***In February, the Food and Drug Administration said that because Dr.
>> Wilson
>> filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and deliberately
>> violated regulations ****
>> REPEAT FOR THE HARD HEADED!!!
>> ***Dr. Wilson filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and
>> deliberately violated regulations ***
>> (No coverups,,,,,,,,,,no fraud,,,,,,,,,,no deliberate
>> violations,,,,,,,,,,,,)
>> This week marks the third anniversary of Jesse Gelsinger's death.
>> At
>> the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Wilson
>> ****is still on the faculty****
>> (Soooooooooo in organized medicine,,,,,,,,,,,)
>> ****Filing *false and misleading reports* is A OK,,,,,,,,,,,,****
>> ****REPEATED and DELIBERATE violations,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is A OK.***
>> but no longer in charge of its gene therapy program. And, in Congress,
>> lawmakers are still debating legislation to provide more protection for
>> medical
>> volunteers.
>> ******in the end, whether Jesse was betrayed by the doctors he and his
>> family
>> thought they could trust.*********
>> Jan
Peter Moran
PM It is trash. You have no knowledge as to the rpesent state of her
cancer. "Uterine" cancer usually means endometrial. If I had meant
cervical cancer I would have said that but the implications are much the
same.
If that isn't misleading, then there is no such thing.
I am trying to get
> information that has a bearing on YOUR claim. How long ago was she
> diagnosed, and how? What did the histology say? These are not idle
> questions -- I have often found that patients have received totally false
> impressions of what they have been told. I have had patients tell me they
> have cancer, but then found that not to be true once their old records
> could
> be examined, or that they had only carcinoma in situ, that may take years
> or
> never become frank cancer.
>
> PM The age is relevant because the menopause may have something to do with
> the cessation of pain and bleeding at this time.
Again you are ASSUMING she did not have cancer based on nothing other
than your mental incapacity to accept what you disagree with.
PM No, I am pointing out just one of the reasons why any improvement in
symptoms may be unrelated to activity in the cancer, assuming she has
invasive cancer, which is not yet established by any information you have
supplied. "Early" cancer could mean anything, and it is definitely also
inconsistent with a lot of pain.
You're really pitiful when you react in this way:
PM This doesn't help your cause. I am doing you the honour of listening to
your story while trying to help you appreciate why it will be subject to the
most critical exmaination. As it should -- you are a rank amateur with
near-zero knowledge of cancer and medicine genrally, indulging in the
treatment of a serious condition with most unlikely agents. You are
convinging yourself the treatment is working on unreliable infomration.
This is exactly how so many quack cancer cures are born.
1- she had a biopsy that CONFIRMED her cancer
PM You have still not supplied a biopsy.
2- had bleeding
3- She had pain
4- her bleeding worsened for 6 months
5- her pain worsened for 6 months
6- After three weeks of my recipe, her pain stopped
7- after three weeks of my recipe, her bleeding stopped
PM but still no direct infromation as to the state of the cancer. It is
just not good enough.
PM
8- Three week slate she continueds to have zero pain
9- Three weeks later she has no bleeding.
>PM- it must have been her imagination all along.
I did not say that, but placebo influences may be a factor. .
PM
Herb Organick
concerned. I think if you both co-operate amicably, systematically and
scientifically and leave out the pride and prejudice, the name calling and
the hypotheticals you can get to the bottom of this without leaving it as
another forgotten, useless anecdotal event. Awthrawthr has come up with a
proposal of a lay treatment and some lay observations of it's effects. Peter
Moran being a medical person has justifiably and rightly challenged for
proof. Challenge should follow claim and then proof should follow before
acceptance. I'm sure everyone would agree on that especially where lives are
at stake.
To Awthrawthr: Why not transcribe some exact snippets of a pathology report
or any some such professional assessment or correspondence?
To Peter Moran: Awtrawthr's recipe does not appear to have come out of the
laboratory of a pharmaceutical company but capsaicin does appear to have
some scientifically observed neuroendocrinological, cell membrane, signal
transduction, metabolic and gene expression effects. Phytochemicals in
garlic and omega 3 oils may also have some effects. Capsaicin has been
widely researched with the potential of being either carcinogenic or
anticarcinogenic. It is not easily bioavailable but the dose is high and
Awthrawthr may have hit upon an effective delivery system with the butter
and oil. Who knows?
awthrawthr
I made no representations as to the state of her cancer. I have
dutifully reported the progression of her symptoms.
Now lets look sat who it is exactly that has jumped to conclusions.
My, my, it's Peter Moran who is the guilty party. For it is you who
has decided that the patient didn't have cancer, and your basis is
that she had a biopsy but it must be wrong because, well, who reallly
the fuck knows!
You've declared it trash, because ... let us remember...you are the
medical expert on particulars you have no knowledge of. If the facts
don't agree with your own prejudice, then your prejudice must
triumph.
>
> If that isn't misleading, then there is no such thing.
>
> I am trying to get
>
> > information that has a bearing on YOUR claim. How long ago was she
> > diagnosed, and how? What did the histology say? These are not idle
> > questions -- I have often found that patients have received totally false
> > impressions of what they have been told. I have had patients tell me they
> > have cancer, but then found that not to be true once their old records
> > could
> > be examined, or that they had only carcinoma in situ, that may take years
> > or
> > never become frank cancer.
>
> > PM The age is relevant because the menopause may have something to do with
> > the cessation of pain and bleeding at this time.
>
> Again you are ASSUMING she did not have cancer based on nothing other
> than your mental incapacity to accept what you disagree with.
>
> PM No, I am pointing out just one of the reasons why any improvement in
> symptoms may be unrelated to activity in the cancer, assuming she has
> invasive cancer, which is not yet established by any information you have
> supplied. "Early" cancer could mean anything, and it is definitely also
> inconsistent with a lot of pain.
I see, when the patient feels great, and they've stopped bleeding, we
better send them to the emergency room because as we all know the
cessation of bleeding is a dire signal ttoPeter Moran that he better
start making stuff up..
>
> You're really pitiful when you react in this way:
>
> PM This doesn't help your cause. I am doing you the honour of listening to
> your story while trying to help you appreciate why it will be subject to the
> most critical exmaination. As it should -- you are a rank amateur with
> near-zero knowledge of cancer and medicine genrally,
Thank God for Peter Moran interceding from across the Pacific Ocean to
save the day. Peter, when will you realize that you are making leaps
of faith about a case in which you have decided to take every positive
and flip it upside down in search of a possible negative...a negative
that doesn't exist.
In your backward world, when a woman who has been bleeding for six
months, so much so that she hadn't even been able to go for a walk,
has now stopped bleeding for three weeks AND has had no pian for three
weeks, why this is cause for alarm.
Maybe I could persuade her to stop the recipe so she could start
bleeding again.
>indulging in the
> treatment of a serious condition with most unlikely agents.
Once again, bias. If you were a true scientist, you would not be
describing the agents with a negative cast. The fact is that capsaicin
has been tested on cancer in mice by scientists at UCLA with very good
results. So it's not an unlikely agent, but a promising one. That's
why the animal study was done. To find a promising agent.
>You are
> convinging yourself the treatment is working on unreliable infomration.
> This is exactly how so many quack cancer cures are born.
Tell that to the UCLA scientists, Peter. Tell them they were quacks
for finding capsaicin to be promising.
>
> 1- she had a biopsy that CONFIRMED her cancer
>
> PM You have still not supplied a biopsy.
Peter, people contact me and telll me how they are doing. They don't
send me biopsies. Her docor has the biopsy report. When she returns to
the doctor it will be HIS job to provide the fancy paperwork to the
proper outlets (that's not you, Peter) You are the one who is
interested in stacking papers on top of each other. I'm more
interested in helping people get well.
> 2- had bleeding
> 3- She had pain
> 4- her bleeding worsened for 6 months
> 5- her pain worsened for 6 months
> 6- After three weeks of my recipe, her pain stopped
> 7- after three weeks of my recipe, her bleeding stopped
>
> PM but still no direct infromation as to the state of the cancer. It is
> just not good enough.
Peter, it is good enough for her. If she decides to go back to the
doctor he can proceed from there. You see what we lay people do is we
tell one another so that more people can try it if they want to. That
might leave you out in the cold, but that's your choice.
Meanwhile, with the internet we keep spreading the word. No longer can
the medical journals lock up the cures much like the Bible was
inaccessable to lay people 500+ years ago. In other words, we don't
need you any more.
>
> PM
> 8- Three week slate she continueds to have zero pain
> 9- Three weeks later she has no bleeding.
>
> >PM- it must have been her imagination all along.
>
> I did not say that, but placebo influences may be a factor.
ROFL! at Peter's stubborn stupidity. The placebo failed in the first
three weeks, so just when the power of the placebo was about to be
kicked into the cellar, she stopped bleeding and she stopped hurting.
That is one whale of a placebo that could over come increasing doubt
only to kick in later. If that's a placebo, order me a truckload.
Finally, Peter, would you please make it a little easier for everyone
and stop copying and pasting everything. Sheesh! It permanenty throws
off the format. Just click on the reply button like everyone else
does. You used to do it correctly, but you haven't done it correctly
lately.
.
>
> PM
>
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awthrawthr
wrote:
> Neither of you gentlemen appear to be liars. You appear to be genuinely
> concerned. I think if you both co-operate amicably, systematically and
> scientifically and leave out the pride and prejudice, the name calling and
> the hypotheticals you can get to the bottom of this without leaving it as
> another forgotten, useless anecdotal event. Awthrawthr has come up with a
> proposal of a lay treatment and some lay observations of it's effects. Peter
> Moran being a medical person has justifiably and rightly challenged for
> proof. Challenge should follow claim and then proof should follow before
> acceptance. I'm sure everyone would agree on that especially where lives are
> at stake.
>
> To Awthrawthr: Why not transcribe some exact snippets of a pathology report
> or any some such professional assessment or correspondence?
I provide what I have. It's up to the patient's doctors to go through
channels if that is what they want to do. My task is to spread the
word. The early adapters will carry the day with their healings and
spread the word to fellow cancer patients.
I've never seen a document that the likes of Peter Moran could
understand. I sent him copies of photos at my own expense to Australia
of a tumor that had regressed. The particular photos were important
because they proved that a negative article in JAMA was falacious.
Every person in the world wo had ever seen the photos including some
physicians I showed them to had zero problem seeing the improvement of
a two-inch tumor disappearing. Moran couldn't see it. You see, Moran
is the equilvalent to a Holocaust denier when it comes to curing
cancer.
I put the info out there for the benefit of others, knowing that Peter
will jump in full denial mode. And then I get to make fun of him.
Meanwhile, the others can try my recipe if they are willing.
MiKeno
So let's get something straight despite your attempts to mislead and
lie. She did indeed have cancer. But you need to believe otherwise
because you have a mental block against admitting what is real.
All we have is your word. Where are her records? How about you post them
online so we can see the proof your hot pepper treatment works.
MiKeno
PM- it must have been her imagination all along.
Do you identify yourself to the cancer patients so if they die using your
recipe their family can sue you for damages? For practicing medicine without
a license? For wrongful death?
MiKeno
"Herb Organick" <organi...@thegarden.dig> wrote in message
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>
> To Peter Moran: Awtrawthr's recipe does not appear to have come out of the
> laboratory of a pharmaceutical company but capsaicin does appear to have
> some scientifically observed neuroendocrinological, cell membrane, signal
> transduction, metabolic and gene expression effects. Phytochemicals in
> garlic and omega 3 oils may also have some effects. Capsaicin has been
> widely researched with the potential of being either carcinogenic or
> anticarcinogenic. It is not easily bioavailable but the dose is high and
> Awthrawthr may have hit upon an effective delivery system with the butter
> and oil. Who knows?
>
>
>
should not be made without proof. Desperate people reading this NG may die
using such a recipe if it proves worthless, or even harmful.
MiKeno
>I put the info out there for the benefit of others, knowing that Peter
will jump in full denial mode. And then I get to make fun of him.
Meanwhile, the others can try my recipe if they are willing.
And just how did you come up with this recipe? How many cancer victims have
you experimented on? Are you a lic Dr?
Peter Moran
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PM I know this. But almost any chemical can be shown to have biochemical
effects and even anti-cancer effects in tiisue culture. That is such a
commonplace observation, even in terms of cytotoxic and cancericidal effects
of phytochenicals, that it has very little bearing on whether any individual
herbal or dietary product product will prove to be a useful agent against
human cancer.
I am one of the few critics of alternative cancer methods that even bothers
to look at :alternative" anecdotal material (testimonials and case reports).
I do so because it is virtually only through them that a useful cancer
treatment could signal its emergence from the massive informal testing of
"alternative" cancer methods that goes on within "alternative" medicine.
Something like half a million cancer patients use alternative methods of
various types and to some extent every year in the USA alone, but what
useful information emerges from all this? Virtually none. Why? Because
of the extremely low quality of the anedotal material produced, pitched as
it is at marketing mostly useless products and services to desperately ill
people. A desperately low standard has been set and they all are
content to collude in it. Einem (Awtrawthr) is no worse than many,
although he illustrates the totally disorganised and ill-informed way that
the usual cancer quack goes about their gathering of "data". There is no
way he will ever end up with convincing anecdotal material.
I go into this in detail on my web site.
http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm and
http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/Brenneranecdote.htm
Close examination of the testimonials can however tell us much about the
trustworthiness of the claimant. Testimonials that don't reliably
demonstrate anything are a blight for everyone, except the quacks, but it
can require considerable medical knowledge and experience to know which
might be valid and which are not. Cancer sufferers and their supporters
should start learning.
PM
awthrawthr
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I have written down the recipe I used. There are no pepper police to
force you to take it. Early adapters choose on their own to try it. So
they are the ones who benefit. Sometimes being a more cautious late
adapter has its benefits. The choice is yours.
If you require proof, you'll have to wait. This isn't "Magic World"
where the early adapters try it, and then the results are instantly
appearing in medical journals. This is the real world where some
people have tried it, and they are sharing it. Why? Because it has
worked for them.
That's not good enough for you. Suit yourself. For you there is chemo,
radiation and surgery. That's what you trust. Enjoy.
awthrawthr
> "Herb Organick" <organick.h...@thegarden.dig> wrote in message
>
> Close examination of the testimonials can however tell us much about the
> trustworthiness of the claimant. Testimonials that don't reliably
> demonstrate anything are a blight for everyone, except the quacks, but it
> can require considerable medical knowledge and experience to know which
> might be valid and which are not. Cancer sufferers and their supporters
> should start learning.
>
>
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Peter's mistake is thinking that he and the medical community still
control how we take care of ourselves. He is no longer the arbiter,
only he's unaware of it. We've had 60 years of brutality masquerading
as something else. Those days are fading away.
For all of those 60 years the brutalizers relied on the misnamed
'scientific standard' as the flytrap to kill true cures. In the
process of this mass carnage, more people were killed, and continue to
be killed, than were murdered in Hitler's Holocaust.
It's not a pretty picture. It has been said that the definition of
insanity is to keep doing the same thing while expecting different
results. After 60 years we can conclude that Peter is solidly in the
middle of that insanity.
Meanwhile, every cure is passed off as a testimonial or an anecodotal
account. What else could one do if they still wanted to be able to
sleep at night?
So the sane will no longer submit to the 60 year insanity. The cure is
to be learned and shared through other means. And peter will not be
able to stop it. He can kvetch, and pretend to be reasonable, but we
won't give our lives to Peter's ovens to keep him satisfied.
Jan Drew
"MiKeno" <mik...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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Get a grip.
Jan Drew
"MiKeno" <mik...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
Learn the difference bewteen sharing a receipe and practicing medicine.
Jan Drew
"Peter Moran"
Shrilling his sick cancerquacker.
Peter Moran
PM Most will recognize the above as bluster. I have offered clear advice
on my web site as to how anyone can demonstrate that they have a method that
is regularly curing cancer and as to why the present material is inadequate.
It is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
results" if those peddling or supporting alternative cancer treatments won't
try to understand.
I admit the medical profession is partly to blame through not previously
offering clear guidelines and explaining precisely why they are not
impressed by the material that various of the more sincere cancer cure
cl;aimants such as have produced. At least I have tried.
PM.
awthrawthr
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Peter, you just don't get it. We are not going to kiss your ring, and
we're not going to submit to you or anyone else seeking your approval
or anyone else's approval. we're taking out the 'middle man.'
We don't need your permission or you approval. You are no longer in
the picture.
People can choose what they want to eat. They can choose to eat
habanaeros peppers, garlic and the oil of their choice.
I didn't ask for or need your advice when I cured myself, nor did
Chuck. We just went ahead and did it. That is the same process that
will spread this. Meanwhile, you can go read a book, or take your
gandchildren to the zoo. Your services aren't needed.
The reson I'm being so verbally point blank with you is that after 60
years of brutally killing millions of people, your profession has lost
its privilege. The game will soon be over. Consider yourself lucky for
not being imprisoned.
In ancient Greece many men tred to untie the Gordion knot, until
Alexander cut it with his sword. Today's Gordion knot has been the
medical profession and their avaluating bodies, including your
farcical one.
Your knot is being busted because I'm not going to fret with the
strings and rope you and your industry have so cleverly tightened
around our necks.
>
> I admit the medical profession is partly to blame through not previously
> offering clear guidelines and explaining precisely why they are not
> impressed by the material that various of the more sincere cancer cure
> cl;aimants such as have produced. At least I have tried.
You tried and succeeded in poisoning the well. The rules have changed.
People like Chuck are playing under the new rules. And they are quite
happy with it. They eat what they want, and they share their results.
Going through the medical Gordion 'not' would be akin to traveling to
Iran to ask for do a readig of the Torah at the next Friday prayer
service. You just won't get a fair hearing in either case. We have
60-65 years of utter brutality and cruelty from the medical industry
to inform us of what they plan to do for the next 60 -65 years.
>
> PM.- Hide quoted text -
Peter Moran
PM Why imagine I am concerned about anyone seeking my approval? I am
drawing attention to something that anyone can confirm by their own
observations: that giving "alternative" testimonials the benefit of the
doubt is not throwing up obviously useful cancer treatments. It merely
proliferates claims, producing a new crop every month or so.
PM My message is also one that anyone (else?) can understand, that there is
only one direct and reliable way of showing that a cancer cure works and
that is to to take patients with clear-cut, tangible cancer and show it
going away and staying away. This is happens to be the situation that
most alternative using cancer patients are in, and also what they
desperately want. On my web site I ask why it is that "alternative"
methods don't seem to ever work on the cases that might most reliably
demonstrate that and that most desperately need them to.
PM If you are not merely trying to jerk chains here, look how easily you
have produced a "cancer cure" out of thin air, and already have patients
prepared to try it out. Have you shown that definite cancer went away in
any case? No. Have you shown that anyone lived long enough, free of
previously well-established cancer, to be pronounced cured? No.
PM This is how the whole wretched alternative cancer scene works. We are
seeing in action how Hoxsey, Gerson, Kelley, Hulda Clark and innumerable
other dabblers in cancer treatment managed to convince themselves and keep
on convincing themselves that they had "the answer". They latch onto any
cases that look good or can be made to look good to the equally ill-informed
and use one of several ever-present excuses for the even more frequent
failures
PM By "obviously useful" in the above I refer to the fact that even rumours
of cancer cures can attract enormous media attention and Government action.
You only need a few patients to say they are cured to the hosts of current
affairs programs. Imagine the impact of a treatment that IS regularly
causing established cancers to go away.
PM
awthrawthr
Let me provide a schematic so thea maybe it will sink in.
The old way: A ---->B---->C,D,E,F
The new way: A--->C--->D,E,F--->G,H,I,J,K,L--->M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V
etc.
You are "B"
Did you notice you're not in the picture anymore?
If we need you, we will give you a call. I wouldn't be sitting by the
phone if I were you.
>
> PM By "obviously useful" in the above I refer to the fact that even rumours
> of cancer cures can attract enormous media attention and Government action.
Exactly. I might happen sooner than you think.
> You only need a few patients to say they are cured to the hosts of current
> affairs programs. Imagine the impact of a treatment that IS regularly
> causing established cancers to go away.
Again you might think you need a few patients. Well, you aren't in the
picture. You're a third wheel.
>
> PM
[snipped for space]
Jan Drew
Please don't use that word.
Jan Drew
"Mialid> wrote in message news:gqjmij$i3s$1...@news.tornevall.net...
Jan Drew
"Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
<snip>
You are straying from the subject, and hocking your web site.
This is misc.health.alternative. Since you don't believe in alternative
medicine, why
don't you leave?
Peter Bowditch
That's right, Jan - run him off.
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> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>"Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>You are straying from the subject, and hocking your web site.
>>
>>This is misc.health.alternative. Since you don't believe in alternative
>>medicine, why
>>don't you leave?
>
> That's right, Jan - run him off.
What? Huh?
Peter Bowditch
>
>"Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>news:9fpus4traiqm09hc0...@4ax.com...
>> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>>"Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>You are straying from the subject, and hocking your web site.
>>>
>>>This is misc.health.alternative. Since you don't believe in alternative
>>>medicine, why
>>>don't you leave?
>>
>> That's right, Jan - run him off.
>
>What? Huh?
I realise that the JanBot has problems in the Understanding English
module, so I will go slowly.
You asked Peter Moran "Why don't you leave?". To any speaker of
English that can be construed as an invitation to leave.
madiba
After decades of dragging her knuckles thru USENET Jan still can't
fathom the concept of cross-posting..
So buzz off out of s.c.d.c. now, go play with your alt. toys
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awthrawthr
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:34:56 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr
>
>
>
>
>
> <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 30, 12:13 pm, Martin <idontwan...@spam.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr
>
> >> <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Mar 29, 4:52 am, Martin <idontwan...@spam.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr
> >> >> Kelly Eidem -> Kelly Eidem -> Kelly Eidem -> Kelly Eidem -> more Kelly
> >> >> Eidem (and please ignore the endpoint of the schedule = dead patient).
> >> >> Never mind that. But you did note the name Kelly Eidem in there,
> >> >> right?
>
> >> >> It looks like you are literally prepared to kill people to feel
> >> >> important. I hope someday a family member of someone who died because
> >> >> of your 'advice' sues you in way that will leave you homeless and
> >> >> dependent on charity to survive.
>
> >> >> >> PM By "obviously useful" in the above I refer to the fact that even rumours
> >> >> >> of cancer cures can attract enormous media attention and Government action.
>
> >> >> >Exactly. I might happen sooner than you think.
>
> >> >> >> You only need a few patients to say they are cured to the hosts of current
> >> >> >> affairs programs. Imagine the impact of a treatment that IS regularly
> >> >> >> causing established cancers to go away.
>
> >> >> >Again you might think you need a few patients. Well, you aren't in the
> >> >> >picture. You're a third wheel.
>
> >> >> >> PM
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> >> I'm sorry, but could you please remind me when and where I said that?
>
> >> > IOW, they are from a man whose critical thinking skills are suspect. His
> >> >problem is that he feels uncomfortable that fellow athiests were mass
> >> >murderers. Thus Martin is able to convince himself of anything in
> >> >order to have it fit is preconceived beliefs: to wit, Stalin and Mao
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> You mean I have a website? Enlighten me please, what's the URL?-
http://www.myspace.com/mrady66
Jan Drew
http://www.myspace.com/mrady66
Poor Marty has lost it.
Herb Organick
Sorry long post of a dialogue on a forum just in case the page is pulled or
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In April 2006 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer after a biopsy - Gleason
score 6(3+3). I was strongly urged to have the prostate removed immediately.
I refused & starting doing research. I found a Cedars-Sinai Medical
Center/UCLA School of Medicine study that said that capsaicin (the stuff
that makes pepper hot) fed to rats bred to have human prostate cancer had
caused the tumors to die! (I put a link here to the study report but it has
been removed by the admin - search for "prostate cancer study" & you will
find it)
I immediately started taking cayenne pepper capsules daily. I took the
equivalent human dose from the study, doubled that & made that my goal. I
gradually consumed more each week until I reached what I thought was the
right dose. I had improved symptoms within the first two weeks - urination
was easier - I had not been able to reach orgasm at the time of diagnosis
but that too improved & is still improving.
Last month I decided to see a urologist to see what was involved in
"Watchful Waiting" - he wanted to do another biopsy since it had been two
years - I agreed & the results came back clean - they found no cancer - not
a trace! My doctor was stunned & said that in 18 years he had never seen
such a result. We had it double checked & I am indeed cancer free.
I am confident it was the cayenne that made the tumor disappear - given the
study results.
I plan to keep taking it indefinitely & I recommend it to any male who has
been diagnosed with either BPH or prostate cancer.
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Hi HaydnLover, I am glad that your cancer has responded the the capsaicin
treatment you have been using. My concern for you is that I know the
biopsies of the Prostate have a higher then "normal" number of face negative
results. What is your PSA and free PSA? What were they originally... when
you where first diagnosed?
I deleted the link you used because you have not yet earned the privilege to
you links to outside websites. You have to be a member for at least one
month and have posted at least 10 significant messages in order to use
lings.
You are in my thoughts and prayers.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Brainman,
Sorry about busting the rules - just got the email with the rule this
morning after I had already posted.
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I'd agree with Brainman that, using Occam's Razor (thinking horses rather
than zebras when you hear hoofbeats) that it's more likely your first biopsy
was misread or your second biopsy missed the cancer. If your Gleason was
originally 3+3, that could mean a pretty tame cancer without many focal
points. It would be easy for a second biopsy to miss it. I too am interested
in what your PSA has been doing. I would also say it seems possible, given
the animal studies, that the pepper reduced the size of the cancerous
tissue, and although not cured, it was not found again on biopsy. I'm just
speculating here..
I like to keep an open mind and I'm willing to admit I don't know whether or
not cayenne could have cured your cancer. There has been a recent flurry of
research that is promising. What I saw most recently was that it worked well
in culture and in 80% of mice it shrank their tumors to 1/5 of their
original size, although it did not cure them. But they were fed the
equivalent of a person eating 3-8 habanero peppers (very, very hot) every
day and I'm not sure many people could tolerate that level of spice.
Here's the article I was reading. Pretty sure it's the same one you
referenced:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/aafc-pch031306.php
I see that you've posted this on other websites, and as far as I can tell,
you're not trying to sell anything or even promote a particular brand or
source.
I tried taking a cayenne supplement once and after one pill, I thought I was
on fire...which leads me to ask--how do you tolerate the cayenne?
Also--I wonder what was causing your urination problem and how did the
pepper help? It almost certainly would not have been caused by prostate
cancer, since urinary symptoms don't show up with 3+3 (usually--goruck might
have something to say on this). Pepper for BPH? The same goes for sexual
performance--I don't see the connection.
A very interesting post...
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Hi Replicant,
I'm happy to have found the person who knows what "most likely happened".
Where were you when I needed you? 8>)
I think it is most likely that the pepper did what it did in the study. Yes,
it just reduced the size of the tumors in the study but it did that by
causing the cancer cells to commit suicide, hence a smaller tumor. There is
every reason to believe that had the study gone on long enough the tumors
would be reduced to zero size, i.e. a cure. I've taken high doses of cayenne
for two years now.
I don't know what the connection is between cayenne & improved sexual
performance or urinary function, I'm just telling you what happened to me.
As you said, I'm not selling anything just sharing my experience.
You say confidently that there is no connection - my uroligist says that an
inability to climax was related to the cancer, as was the urination problem
due to the increased size of the prostate - just like in BPH.
It is obvious to me from this post & some others on other forums that there
are some people who take umbrage with my saying I am cured & feel the need
to tell me that I'm probably not. Fine, let's call it an apparent cure (as I
did on another forum) or a possible cure, I don't care.
I know the tumor was small to begin with - that's what the biopsy said &
that's why I refused treatment.
Now, am I "cured"? Only time will tell. The study found that pepper caused
cancer cells to self destruct in mice & it seems to have happened in me. The
first 6 core biopsy found the tumor & then two years later a 12 core biopsy
cannot find any cancer cells - that sounds closer to "cure" than failure to
me.
There is a cayenne cap that has added ginger - people that can't take
cayenne alone seem to tolerate this better. I have no problem with straight
cayenne - the key is gradually adding to the dose. I started taking one
40,000 heat unit cap before each of two meals a day & added another 40,000
cap per dose per week. I now take five 600mg 100,000 heat unit caps twice a
day before meals. the body does acclimate to the cayenne & an interesting
side effect is I can now eat the hottest Thai or Indian food without
discomfort.
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Hi,
What was the amount of cancer in each core and what was your original psa?
What is your psa now?
The two experienced board users have made excellent statistical points here.
george rucker, urology/urologist
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: george rucker
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Hi George,
It is great to have a urologist aboard. After my second biopsy I told my
urologist about my the study & my pepper regimen & that I thought the pepper
was responsible. He just smiled & said "Sometime miracles do happen" - no
further interest expressed!
My PSA had been around 2.2 for years, was not tested for a couple of years &
then at the time of diagnosis was 4.8
Between then & now my PSA has varied between 4.5 & 3.6 - I'm going to my
primary tomorrow & will get the results of my last PSA test a month ago - I
will post the results.
The biopsy said left side of prostate normal - right side: adenocarcinoma -
the tumor had Gleason's combined score 6 (3+3) & involved 25-30% of the
tissue in two of 6 needle cores. I had the biopsy double checked.
The second biopsy in April 2008 was 12 core & completely free of any signs
of cancer. Again, the biopsy was double checked.
I'm curious if you have read this study & any thoughts on my experience you
would care to share
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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HaydnLover, 4.8 is a signifacantly high PSA . You should really reconcider
more traditional forms of therapy. Even with a PSA of 3.6, there is a
significant likelihood that your second biopsy was a false negative.
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: george rucker urologist
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Haydn,
Thank you for sharing your information with us. I will re read the original
article and post my thoughts.
George Rucker
urology/urologist
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: questions
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Haydn,
What is your weight?
What was the ultimate dose you took?
Where did you obtain your capsules?
feel free to email me at gor...@gmail.com as where you obtained the capsules
may not be information allowed on this board due to spamming in the past by
unscrupulous individuals.
I am actually contacting my old contacts at sloan kettering and ucla in rote
bench research to obtain follow up and current thinking on this topic.
best
george rucker urologist
urology
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Thanks George for following up on this.
Your questions=
I weigh 175lbs
I am now taking ten 600mg capsules of 100,000 heat unit capsules per day - 5
before each of two meals.
I buy the cayenne at a "health food" store in St Petersburg. It is food
grade, sold as a supplement, packaged by a national vitamn manufactor.
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now here is a follow up question.
a. since the pepper is in capsules, it is not hot going in..however, is it
tolerable from a stomach/gi upset arena?
b. also, does such a high amount of pepper cause diarrhea or rectal/anal
pain/irritation on defecation since the substance p at high doses isnt fully
metabolized....i.e, the rectal mucosa has pain fibers just like the mouth,
so spicy substance p or capsacin can hurt the mouth as well as the distal
end of the alimentary tract.
thank you
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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George,
1stQ:
The only time I've felt any irritation from the pepper would be if I forgot
to take it before eating & later took it on a full stomach - then I got a
mild heartburn like sensation & from then on always took it before eating
with no further stomach problems.
2ndQ:
when I started & was learning how fast to increase the dose I found that if
I increased too much, too fast I would get a mild case of diarrhea & it
would sting a bit - nothing intolerable. If I got diarrhea from anyother
source it would sting.
The major key to taking cayenne is to always take before eating & gradually
increase your dose. The body does acclimate to the higher dose.
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: More pepper George Rucker
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I am beginning to research the capsaicin story as much as I can
scientifically. I will next turn to the journal of urology which I have
special archival access to and search the lab experiments if any available.
Your case fascinates me at this point. Best to you haydn and thank you for
your frank replies to my questions.
Capsaicin and Cancer
In the U.S., one person dies from cancer each minute, and one out of three
people will eventually die from cancer. Normally when the body is injured,
cells divide to replace the damaged ones and "know" when to stop dividing.
Cancer cells, however, divide uncontrollably and for no obvious reason.
Eventually, cancerous growths interfere with normal body functioning, often
resulting in death.
Capsaicin (8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide) is the active chemical compound
found in the seeds and fruit of chili peppers of the Capsicum genus such as
cayenne pepper. This pepper provides numerous health benefits. Capsicum is
traditionally used for muscular pain, headaches, to improve circulation and
for its gastrointestinal protective effects? It is also commonly added to
herbal formulations because it acts as a catalyst for other herbs and aids
in their absorption.
Many scientific studies have revealed the exciting potential anti-cancer
abilities of capsaicin. Although the exact mechanism(s) is unclear,
capsaicin has been shown to induce apoptosis in many different types of
cancer cells. Apoptosis is a natural form of cell death that occurs in old
or damaged cells that need to be replaced by new, healthier cells.
Capsaicin has been shown to protect the stomach from various types of damage
by affecting gastric mucosal blood flow as well as mucosal and bicarbonate
secretions. It also has been shown to cause DNA fragmentation and subsequent
apoptosis in human gastric adenocarcinoma cells by reducing the expression
of a cellular protein that inhibits apoptosis (Bcl-2). Research shows that
the number of abnormal cells killed increased with greater doses of
capsaicin. According to this study, capsaicin induces apoptosis in abnormal
cells by inhibiting NADH-plasma membrane electron transport system by acting
as a quinine analog. Cells generate most of the energy (ATP) that they need
to survive and reproduce via this electron transport chain, which occurs in
the mitochondria (also known as the powerhouse) inside cells. If this system
is disrupted, the cell cannot generate enough ATP to sustain itself, and the
cell dies. By disrupting the electron transport chain, capsaicin decreases
the amount of energy that is available to cancer cells, and these cells
cannot continue to proliferate. Cancer cells require more energy than normal
cells, because they are growing and dividing more rapidly than normal cells.
A reduced supply of energy caused by capsaicin can have a major impact on
abnormal cells.
In a recent study conducted at the University of Nottingham, capsaicin was
shown to bind to proteins in the mitochondria of abnormal cells and trigger
apoptosis without being harmful to surrounding normal cells.
This anti-carcinogenic mechanism is surprisingly similar to how NSP Paw Paw
Cell-Reg works.
Dr. Pramod Srivastava and his colleagues conducted a study in which they
discovered that capsaicin triggered apoptosis in human pancreatic cancer
cells, one of the most difficult types of cancer to treat. Capsaicin
increased the number of apoptotic proteins and reduced tumor size in
cancerous pancreatic cells but did not negatively affect normal pancreatic
cells.
Another study showed that capsaicin inhibited the growth of leukemic cells
possibly by causing an increase in the production of reactive oxygen species
inside the abnormal cells, which leads to apoptosis. Capsaicin did not
inhibit the growth of normal cells.
Capsaicin has also shown effectiveness in inhibiting ovarian and breast
cancer cells in vitro by decreasing the activity of NADH oxidase, an enzyme
needed for the production of ATP or cellular energy.
A recent study has shown that capsaicin induced human prostate cancer cells
to undergo apoptosis by inhibiting NF-Kappa Beta, a mechanism that leads to
the expression of certain genes that are involved in inflammation and the
development of cancer. This same study demonstrated that capsaicin slowed
prostate cancer cells by regulating androgen receptors on the cells and
decreased the production of PSA produced by the abnormal cells.
Recent studies have also demonstrated that capsaicin inhibited the ability
of some chemical carcinogens to bind to DNA3, suggesting that capsaicin may
have cancer preventative properties.
Capsaicin is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the FDA in the United
States when used orally and topically in an appropriate manner.8 Capsaicin
is found in foods that have a long history of being used in the human diet
without harm. This fact lends support to its good safety profile.
Capsaicin and other vanilloid compounds show strong evidence of having
promising potential in the fight against many types of cancer. However, more
research is needed to determine if capsaicin extracts are safe and effective
for use in humans as a treatment or preventative for cancer.
Posted: Friday - February 16, 2007 at 04:57 PM
this was taken from the herb specialist blog by george rucker urologist
bradenton, florida
I can direct you to the original post if you query me via my blog below
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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You're preaching to the choir here George - I think it's wonderful stuff!
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haydn,
after doing some basic research,
you will be excited to know that i took my first 40,000 heat unit capsule
last night before dinner.
now the reason i am doing this is two fold.
there seems to be reasonable evidence regarding hypoglycemic properties and
my own blood sugars are a bit high, so this is the main reason.
secondly, at some point, if the research is profound or convincing enough
and I inform my patients about this as a veritable possibility, then I would
like to know what the effects of 2-3 capsules are on my own alimentary
tract.
will let you know.
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George, I am delighted to hear that you have started a pepper regimen.
Since you didn't mention any distress from the 40,000 cap I'll assume you
did not experience any negative effects.
Please keep us posted on your experience using this great stuff.
Remember, if you increase your dosage too fast for your body you may
experience soft stools or light diarrhea with resultant burning sensation -
if that happens just back off on the added dose until it clears & then
resume. Your body will adjust. One of the first indications you will get
that the capsaicin is there is a slight tingling in the corner of your
eyes - This is good - it means the capsaicin is permeating every cell in
your body & some is being excreted in your tears.
If you listen to your body very closely I suspect you will notice some
positive effects soon.
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I will slowly move up in dose.
I will keep you informed here.
gr
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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I am interested in what is is actually doing: Killing cancer cells or
reducing PSA or both.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Brainman,
If you read the study or the recap, you will find that what the capsaicin is
actually doing is causing the cancer cells to undergo programmed cell death
or apoptosis.
"As described in their study, the scientists observed that capsaicin
inhibited the activity of NF-kappa Beta, a molecular mechanism that
participates in the pathways leading to apoptosis in many cell types.
Apoptosis is a normal cellular event in many tissues that maintains a
balance between newer replacement cells and aged or worn cells. In contrast,
cancer cells seek to be immortal and often dodge apoptosis by mutating or
deregulating the genes that participate in programmed cell death.
The pepper extract also curbed the growth of prostate cancer cells through
regulation of androgen receptors, the steroid activated proteins that
control expression of specific growth relating genes.
The hot pepper component also reduced cancer cell production of PSA, a
protein that often is produced in high quantities by prostate tumors and can
signal the presence of prostate cancer in men. PSA is regulated by
androgens, and capsaicin limited androgen-induced increases of PSA in the
cancer cell lines."
That's what it is doing!
Here's the link to a recap if you care to read it:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/aafc-pch031306.php
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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[quote="HaydnLover"]
The hot pepper component also reduced cancer cell production of PSA, a
protein that often is produced in high quantities by prostate tumors and can
signal the presence of prostate cancer in men. PSA is regulated by
androgens, and capsaicin limited androgen-induced increases of PSA in the
cancer cell lines."
[/quote]
That is the part that I am the most concerned about. If it artificially
reduces the amount of PSA produced by the cancer cells, how can you really
know whether or not it is killing all of the cancer? PSA is such a good
indicator of the presence of Prostate cancer that I would hate to see people
getting "false negatives".
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What's needed are controlled studies on capsaicin in humans. Remember, we've
been down this path before with lycopene. It looked good in animals and in
early studies on humans, but eventually proved ineffective against prostate
cancer.
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Salvage radiation (IMRT) total dose 70.2 Gy, Jan-Mar 2007@ age 44
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Yes, Braiman, I hear your concern - but for me it makes sense that if cancer
cells are being killed there are less of them to generate PSA, hence a
lowering PSA in concert with lowering number and/or size of cancerous cells.
Besides, PSA is notoriously unreliable as an indicator of prostate cancer. I
have read & heard from doctors that it is not the absolute PSA number that
matters but the rate of rise over a given period of time that best informs
them. I personally know two people with rather high PSA levels that have
undergone several negative biopsys.
Yes, Replicant, "What's needed are controlled studies on capsaicin in
humans" - I think everyone will agree to that.
However, it is very easy for you guys who have already killed your prostate
to say everyone should wait until the last study is done & there are no more
dissenters before trying any treatment.
Some of us are willing to take charge of our own health & act after weighing
the possible pros & cons.
It is those people that I hope to reach with news about a potential cure
that seems to have worked for me.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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I had a PSA of 12 , cancer in all samples of my biopsy and a Gleason of 7.
After hormone treatment my PSA dropped to !.5. I have just finished external
radiation to the prostate only (39 treatments). They want to wait 4 months
to get an accurate reading on my PSA again. Had a bone scan and all is clear
in this area.
Rather than sitting around waiting for this I thought I might give the
pepper a go , having nothing to lose by trying it. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks, Dave
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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I think the key words here Dave are "having nothing to lose by trying it. "
I say, give it a try.
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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A little up date on my ceyenne pepper excursion.
I have been taking 500 mg 40,000 stu twice a day with no side effects and
have since increased that to three times daily again with no side effects.
Today I went to see my cancer doctor for a ditigal exam (finger) and he said
my prosate gland was good in size and texture. I sheepishly mentioned what I
was doing with my pepper treatment and he indicated that there was
definitely properties in ceyenne pepper that was benificial in limiting the
growth potential of these cells. He said it was OK but dont get sick from
it!! lol. I was so encouraged by this that I phoned some of the guys that
were taking the radiation treatment with me at the time and told them what I
was doing.
Thanks for sharing your experience with me!!! Dave
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Great news Dave!
Keep it up & keep spreading the word. Not many men know about this & they
should. I've posted this info on every Prostate forum I can find but I think
word of mouth is even more important.Bill
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Gentlemen,
Any news to report on this pepper treatment experiment? I've recently been
diagnosed with prostate cancer, and am scheduled to have it removed in
August. If you're on to something here I would like to hear how it's
working. Any body had any positive results, or negative impact from using
the pepper?
Thanks, And good luck to all.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Will be going for PSA tomorrow and see my Cancer Doctor in a weeks time.
Will keep you posted on results. Dave
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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That is great news. My husband was recently diagnosed. No symptoms, but PSA
rose from 3 to 5 in 4 months. Age 44, Gleason 6 (3,3) . He is scheduled for
DaVinci RP next week. I would like to try a natural approach, but doc feels
we should remove for best prognosis given his age and "aggressiveness" of
the cancer. 12/12 cores were positive on biopsy. He never exercised or ate
right until diagnosis. I have him drinking POM juice but the pepper sounds
good also.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Haydnlover et al
Most interesting, as I am about your age and in similar straits.
Unfortunately my taste for hot foods has dropped off over the years, and
I've become an arch skeptic, so this regime could test both my body and
mind.
You can see below how my PSA is now rising in an exponential manner which
seems characteristic of exploding biological growth. My research has
suggested Proton Beam as most appropriate for me, but the philosopher in me
hesitates. I do recall that Dr. Walsh says in his book that biopsy cores are
a very, very small percentage of total prostate volume, and also he states
that from pathology reports there is an average of 7 cancerous focal points
on the removed glands. There is certainly room for doubt all around. In your
case I think I would get some more PSA data and another biopsy. And continue
the pepper.
I see my urologist next Thur and I'll run your comments by him for some
input. I remember reading Andy Grove in 1995 or so, and wondered then what I
may be getting into, but knowing I'd pursue it 100% once I got started.
Keep up the good work, everyone!
charley/70/east tennessee
Pre-Diagnostic PSA record, begun 1995 at age 58..... now 70:
1995 - 1.2, 1997 - 1.7, 1998 - 1.4, 1999 - 1.7, 2000 - 3.4, 2001 - 2.0,
2002 - 4.6 on 6/6, 4.1 on 7/24, 3.5 on 10/1 at urologist's office
2003 - 2.3, 2004 - 2.7, 2005 - 3.2 on 7/15, 2006 - no test????
2007 - 5.8 on 2/5, 5.7 on 6/16
2008 - 10.4 on 2/29, 8.8 on 4/21 --- Scheduled biopsy for 5/6/2008. On a
graph, the PSA rise looks exponential, i.e. a growth function.
*****************************************************************
5/22/2008 -- Results of biopsy
4 of 12 cores show adenocarcinoma:
LLM - Gleason 3+3=6, PTI=10%, LM - Gleason 3+3=6, PTI=2%
LLA - Gleason 3+4=7, PTI=25%, LA - Gleason 3+3=6, PTI=20%
Clinical Stage: T2a
Comments:
RLB - There is focal acute prostatitis
LLM - There is focal perineural invasion
LLA - There is focal perineural invasion
Partin Table:
OC - 33%, CP - 52%, SV+ -10%, LN - 4%
No treatment selected yet.....
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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As promised in my earlier posts I received my PSA and the reading was .84,
down from 1.5. My initial reading was 12 before Hormone and radiation.
Is the lower reading because of my taking Ceyenne pepper?? Who knows!!??.
What I do know, is that I will continue to take my pepper capsules.
My best to all! Dave
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Pepper Experiment
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I started taking pepper capsules when I first read about it here. I've been
taking it for 3 or 4 weeks now. The first bottle were 40000 STU, I got a new
bottle today that are 100000 Scoville units, so I'm movin'on up! This is to
be supplemental to (hopefully) Proton Therapy. Hopefully, because my med
records were faxed to UFPTI in Jacksonville last week, and I'm currently
waiting for a call from them with an appointment.
Howard
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I have been reading this forum for months since my dad's prostate cancer got
worse. This forum was the first link I saw when googling "prostate cancer
forum."
After reading this thread, I thought about suggesting my dad to try these
pepper capsules until my further search found the post below in another
cancer forum on healingwell.com. I am glad I didn't ask him to do that. He
has radiation proctitis and hemorrhoids. Taking this "cancer cure" will most
likely make his bleeding worse. He doesn't need more suffering than bone
aches and the side effects of chemo.
The original poster also posted this on many websites. I was going to let
the thread die, but since someone is trying to revive it, I think I need to
give my two cents.
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[quote]There was an event about that here. I was the moderator that had the
"pepper posters" booted here. Now that I am not a moderator I can lend my
unofficial two cents worth. On a hunch, I did some background checking. The
'urologist' was booted from here shortly before he was charged in an
unrelated event (multiple charges). That doesn't sound like my urologist.
He, and the original poster jackcc seems to refer to appeared teamed up, at
several sites, and they both disappeared on the blogs at the end of March.
BTW the urologist was starting a supplements company as he stated at his
"personal" blog, that also stopped at this timeframe. If you search that
urologist's name or that urology center he worked at, and search virtually
any other urologists or centers that you know are valid, you have to wonder
why he has no presence other than his own site. If I search my urologists,
oncologists, or surgeons, some of the searches result in hundreds of pages
of info about them.
It caused such a stir, in some PC forums ~ this one included, that I decided
to write the authors of the study commonly referred to. The study was by
UCLA and Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles. It was only in rats. Capsaicin was not
consumed in pill or edible form but rather processed carefully and injected
to avoid digestive track damage and deliver the full effects. And it was in
rats. There were side effects in the study, it has not been approved for use
in humans by the FDA. There is some talk about it becoming a study, but the
early returns are that it is not effective as other treatment options to
slow PC cancer growth. I believe you are reading about an individual who
claimed to have been cured by capsaicin because his PSA dropped a few
decimal points. All I can say is "Huh"?
Nothing taboo about it jackcc. They were booted off several sites for a good
reason. You can do your own homework.
Personally, I am very glad I had these two booted before anyone here started
slamming this unproven and potentially dangerous supplement.
Tony[/quote]
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Thanks for the heads up. I had asked my uoligist about it before I tried it,
and he said he was aware that capsaicin studies showed promise, so I decided
to give it a go.
Howard
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Further to my earlier posts on this forum my PSA started at 12, then went to
1.5 to .45 and today it went to 0.7. This is after radiation and hormone
therapy. I stated to take ceyenne pepper capsules after the treatment and am
very encouraged by the results
to date, To what extend the ceyenne capsules has helped is anyones guess,
but I will continue to take a capsule every day.
I am not suggesting this is the end all for this cursed disease, but it
might offer sone encouragment to those who have experianced a similar shock
and hopelessness when first diagonosed.
God bless you all and the very best in your treatment. Dave
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As you say, it is impossible to know what if any impact the Capsaicin played
since you also had radiation, and hormone therapy.
While research SEEMS to confirm that capsaicin speeds up PCa cell death in
test tube and mouse models, the following quote raises a question in my
mind. Is this suggesting it DIRECTLY limits the production of the PSA marker
for cancer???
quote from http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/aafc-pch031306.php
The hot pepper component also reduced cancer cell production of PSA, a
protein that often is produced in high quantities by prostate tumors and can
signal the presence of prostate cancer in men. PSA content in the blood of
men is used as a diagnostic prostate cancer screening measure. PSA is
regulated by androgens, and capsaicin limited androgen-induced increases of
PSA in the cancer cell lines.
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8.7 - Biopsy. 4+4 Gleason 8. Lap RP Apr 2004, age 52 All neg margins, nodes,
and structures. (T2a). Post RP PSA: every 6 mo. <.1 until Feb, 08 (46 mos)
PSA .1 - I then got sensitive tests (all in 2008) showing:
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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[quote="HaydnLover"]In April 2006 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer after
a biopsy - Gleason score 6(3+3). I was strongly urged to have the prostate
removed immediately. I refused & starting doing research. I found a
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center/UCLA School of Medicine study that said that
capsaicin (the stuff that makes pepper hot) fed to rats bred to have human
prostate cancer had caused the tumors to die! (I put a link here to the
study report but it has been removed by the admin - search for "prostate
cancer study" & you will find it)
I immediately started taking cayenne pepper capsules daily. I took the
equivalent human dose from the study, doubled that & made that my goal. I
gradually consumed more each week until I reached what I thought was the
right dose. I had improved symptoms within the first two weeks - urination
was easier - I had not been able to reach orgasm at the time of diagnosis
but that too improved & is still improving.
Well as indicated in my previous posts, I am still taking pepper capsules
and my results continue to improve.
I was curious as to how your results are coming and would appreciate an
update, if possible.
Thanks, Dave
Last month I decided to see a urologist to see what was involved in
"Watchful Waiting" - he wanted to do another biopsy since it had been two
years - I agreed & the results came back clean - they found no cancer - not
a trace! My doctor was stunned & said that in 18 years he had never seen
such a result. We had it double checked & I am indeed cancer free.
I am confident it was the cayenne that made the tumor disappear - given the
study results.
I plan to keep taking it indefinitely & I recommend it to any male who has
been diagnosed with either BPH or prostate cancer.[/quote]
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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OK, my question to Haydnlover got placed halfway in the middle of his
quotation by mistake,( sorry for confusion), but here it is again.
As indicated on my previous posts I have been using the pepper capsules for
sometime now and my results hve been improving. My PSA is now .07 and I have
no idea if this is because of the pepper or not. I was curious how
Haydnlover is doing ,and what his most recent tests have shown, since it has
been some time since I have heard from him.
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Pepper cured my
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Being the eternal skeptic I always want the hard evidence. It is not in any
way intended to diminish anyone else's posts or to discourage anyone from
trying adjunct solutions to fighting PCa.
The pepper information seems a bit to simplistic to me for a disease that is
adaptable enough to thwart every chemo and hormone suppression treatment it
encounters, not to mention vaccines etc.
I am however interested and open minded.
Acedave3, If I understand correctly you had radiation. I think one would
expect consecutive psa reductions after radiation treatment of a prostate. I
realize you acknowledge this, I am just emphasizing that point. The problem
is that we cannot do controlled trials. All we can do is throw these
possible adjunct treatments in on top of our conventional treatments and we
never know what impact they had. I am in fact up to doing the same thing but
I doubt it will add to our knowledge. It is a shame there is not a well
designed large human trial, especially since the pepper is unlikely to have
any adverse affects.
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8.7 - Biopsy. 4+4 Gleason 8. Lap RP Apr 2004, age 52 All neg margins, nodes,
and structures. (T2a). Post RP PSA: every 6 mo. <.1 until Feb, 08 (46 mos)
PSA .1 - I then got sensitive tests (all in 2008) showing:
Feb .06, May .09, Jun .10, Aug .10, Nov .15 -SRT
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Hawk, I agree with everything you have said.
Only our Higher Power knows for sure, so living life to the fullest, and
showing strength to others, is my motto.
Dave
awthrawthr
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> Hi HaydnLover, I am glad that your cancer has responded the the capsaicin
> treatment you have been using. My concern for you is that I know the
> biopsies of the Prostate have a higher then "normal" number of face negative
> results. What is your PSA and free PSA? What were they originally... when
> you where first diagnosed?
>
> I deleted the link you used because you have not yet earned the privilege to
> you links to outside websites. You have to be a member for at least one
> month and have posted at least 10 significant messages in order to use
> lings.
>
> You are in my thoughts and prayers.
> _________________
> Jim
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> 1992 Astrocytoma grade 2, left motor strip
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> What was the amount of cancer in each core and what was your original psa?
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> What is your psa now?
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> It is great to have a urologist aboard. After my second biopsy I told my
> urologist about my the study & my pepper regimen & that I thought the pepper
> was responsible. He just smiled & said "Sometime miracles do happen" - no
> further interest expressed!
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> My PSA had been around 2.2 for years, was not tested for a couple of years &
> then at the time of diagnosis was 4.8
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> Between then & now my PSA has varied between 4.5 & 3.6 - I'm going to my
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> read more »
The case you've provided looks similar to Chuck Kinsey's in that both
had Gleason 6(3,3)
I found it fascinating that the doctor said he'd never seen this kind
of result in his 18 years of practice.
Today, I learned about a case Richard Schulze talked about in the book
"Curing with Cayenne." The patient had a brain tumor. By taking 3
tablespoons in hot water (I think it was 1 tablespoon 3 times a day,
not sure). After 6 weeks his brain tumor had shriveled and died.
There is little or no risk doing this, with a great deal of upside.
Herb Organick
favor of the pungent fresh locally garden grown variety. If biting into just
one small clove of garlic doesn't burn a gaping hole in your cheek it ain't
garlic. Also real garlic stores for a very long time and doesn't grow mould
or get mushy very easily. The imposters are mushy from the start. Back in
the old days before mass importation of irradiated and badly bred varieties
a couple of cloves would be adequate for cooking. The smell would ooze from
your skin and keep people away for miles. These days you have to add the
whole bulb and it still isn't enough. The phytochemicals are just not there
anymore. You have to grow your own ! In real manure ! Using real seeds !
http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/13/6/1847
Garlic-Derived S-allylmercaptocysteine Is a Novel In vivo Antimetastatic
Agent for Androgen-Independent Prostate Cancer
Edward W. Howard, Ming-Tat Ling, Chee Wai Chua, Hiu Wing Cheung, Xianghong
Wang and Yong Chuan Wong
Authors' Affiliation: Cancer Biology Group, Department of Anatomy, Faculty
of Medicine, University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong
Requests for reprints: Xianghong Wang, Department of Anatomy, The University
of Hong Kong, 1/F, Faculty of Medicine Building, 21 Sassoon Road, Hong Kong.
Phone: 852-2819-2867; Fax: 852-2817-0857; E-mail: xhw...@hkucc.hku.hk .
Abstract
Purpose: There is epidemiologic evidence that high garlic consumption
decreases the incidence of prostate cancer, and compounds isolated from
garlic have been shown to have cancer-preventive and tumor-suppressive
effects. Recent in vitro studies in our laboratory have shown that
garlic-derived organosulfur compound S-allylmercaptocysteine suppresses
invasion and cell motility of androgen-independent prostate cancer cells via
the up-regulation of cell-adhesion molecule E-cadherin.
S-allylmercaptocysteine is therefore a potential antimetastatic drug with
broad clinical applications that we tested in vivo for the first time in
this study.
Experimental Design: We used a newly established fluorescent orthotopic
androgen-independent prostate cancer mouse model to assess the ability of
S-allylmercaptocysteine to inhibit tumor growth and dissemination.
Results: We showed that oral S-allylmercaptocysteine not only inhibited the
growth of primary tumors by up to 71% (P < 0.001) but also reduced the
number of lung and adrenal metastases by as much as 85.5% (P = 0.001)
without causing notable toxicity. This metastatic suppression was
accompanied by a 91% reduction of viable circulating tumor cells (P =
0.041), suggesting that S-allylmercaptocysteine prevents dissemination by
decreasing tumor cell intravasation.
Conclusions: Our results provide in vivo evidence supporting the potential
use of S-allylmercaptocysteine as an E-cadherin up-regulating antimetastatic
agent for the treatment of androgen-independent prostate cancer. This is the
first report of the in vivo antimetastatic properties of garlic, which may
also apply to other cancer types.
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Prostate cancer is the second most frequent cause of male cancer death in
the United States (1). Despite the widespread presence of clinically
insignificant tumors in elderly men, prostate cancer commonly has an
aggressive phenotype that requires prompt intervention (2). For metastatic
disease, the initial medical treatment is androgen deprivation, which
induces tumor regression and reduction in serum prostate-specific antigen in
80% to 85% of cases. Unfortunately, androgen-independent tumor recurrence is
almost ubiquitous, for which only palliative treatment is available, and
even the newest docetaxel-based regimes confer only a 2.4-month survival
advantage (3). Death from prostate cancer is the result of metastatic
spread, characteristically to the bones, lungs, liver, pleura, and adrenals
(4). Bony metastasis is characterized by severe chronic pain, spinal cord
compression, and pathologic fractures. Prostate cancer is therefore a highly
desirable target for effective and tolerable antimetastatic drugs.
Certain dietary agents may have a preventive effect for prostate cancer,
including tomato-derived lycopene, vitamin E, and selenium (5). Furthermore,
epidemiologic evidence supports a protective role for high garlic
consumption, with one study indicating that high garlic consumption (>10
g/d) was related to low prostate cancer prevalence in China (relative risk,
0.51; P < 0.001; ref. 6). Garlic contains a variety of unique organosulfur
compounds that have been shown in multiple studies to prevent
carcinogen-induced tumorigenesis in laboratory animals, including prostate
cancer (7). Garlic also suppresses experimental tumor growth: garlic-fed
mice bearing Ehrlich ascites tumors had significantly prolonged survival
compared with control (8), and three groups have noted that both s.c. and
oral fresh garlic and aged garlic extract (AGE) administration suppressed
the growth of transitional cell carcinoma xenografts (9-11). Recently, AGE
has also been shown to suppress carcinogenesis in rodent models of
hepatocellular and colonic carcinomas (12, 13), and in human clinical
trials, 12 months of 2.4 g/d AGE treatment suppressed the formation of
colonic adenomas in a sample of 57 patients (P = 0.04; ref. 14).
AGE is a widely used dietary supplement obtained from raw garlic by ethanol
aging and aqueous extraction. It is more consistent than fresh garlic in its
concentration of stable orally bioavailable organosulfur compounds,
including S-allylmercaptocysteine (15). Although not present in raw garlic,
S-allylmercaptocysteine is a major in vivo metabolic product of garlic
compounds allicin and diallyl disulfide (16), both of which have
well-described anticancer properties (7). That the chemical instability of
these compounds does not limit their efficacy has led to the suggestion that
S-allylmercaptocysteine may actually be the bioactive metabolite in both
fresh garlic and AGE (17). In fact, S-allylmercaptocysteine has been shown
to suppress in vitro proliferation of cancer cells by mechanisms including
apoptosis promotion by c-Jun NH2-terminal kinase 1 and caspase-3 activation
(17) and G2-M phase cell cycle arrest via direct microtubule disruption
(18). Moreover, in prostate cancer cells, S-allylmercaptocysteine suppressed
proliferation by the additional mechanisms of suppressing prostate-specific
antigen production and testosterone levels (19) and altering levels of
polyamines and glutathione (20).
Recent in vitro studies provide compelling evidence for the potential
antimetastatic activity of S-allylmercaptocysteine. Without eliciting a
mechanism, Hu et al. showed in a novel study that rat sarcoma cell migration
was inhibited upon exposure to AGE (21). Indeed, evidence from our
laboratory revealed that S-allylmercaptocysteine had a potent anti-invasive
effect on androgen-independent prostate cancer cells: reducing Matrigel
invasion, increasing expression of cell adhesion molecule E-cadherin, and
inducing a morphologic change reminiscent of mesenchymal-epithelial
transition (22). E-cadherin expression is frequently suppressed in advanced
prostate cancer and is a strong independent prognostic indicator of disease
progression (23). Its down-regulation is characteristic of the
epithelial-mesenchymal transition, a key early step in the metastatic
cascade (24). The up-regulation of E-cadherin and reduction in invasiveness
by S-allylmercaptocysteine is therefore potentially an efficacious method of
suppressing tumor progression and metastasis.
Despite the abundant in vitro evidence, neither the anticancer effect of
S-allylmercaptocysteine nor the antimetastatic ability of any garlic
compound has been reported on in vivo. This study was therefore designed to
study the in vivo effect of S-allylmercaptocysteine on prostate cancer
growth, metastatic ability, and toxicity. To achieve this, we developed a
fluorescent orthotopic severe combined immunodeficient (SCID) mouse model of
androgen-independent prostate cancer and examined the effects of
S-allylmercaptocysteine treatment on tumor growth and spread. Our results
provide the first evidence that S-allylmercaptocysteine suppresses both the
growth and distant metastasis of advanced androgen-independent prostate
cancer xenografts in vivo without inducing organ pathology or other signs of
manifest toxicity. S-allylmercaptocysteine is therefore a highly promising
novel candidate for inclusion in clinical trials as an antimetastatic drug
for androgen-independent prostate cancer patients.
"awthrawthr" <awthr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
J
> I would avoid the cheap irradiated and bland Chinese imported garlic in
> favor of the pungent fresh locally garden grown variety. If biting into just
> one small clove of garlic doesn't burn a gaping hole in your cheek it ain't
> garlic. Also real garlic stores for a very long time and doesn't grow mould
> or get mushy very easily. The imposters are mushy from the start. Back in
> the old days before mass importation of irradiated and badly bred varieties
> a couple of cloves would be adequate for cooking. The smell would ooze from
> your skin and keep people away for miles. These days you have to add the
> whole bulb and it still isn't enough. The phytochemicals are just not there
> anymore. You have to grow your own ! In real manure ! Using real seeds !
> http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/13/6/1847
> Garlic-Derived S-allylmercaptocysteine Is a Novel In vivo Antimetastatic
> Agent for Androgen-Independent Prostate Cancer
> <snip>
> Experimental Design: We used a newly established fluorescent orthotopic
> androgen-independent prostate cancer mouse model to assess the ability of
> S-allylmercaptocysteine to inhibit tumor growth and dissemination.
>
> Results:
The mouse enthusiasts forget one simple but vital fact. Experimental mouse
tumours are, by and large, carefully selected monoclonal tumours.
Anything which works for one cell will work for the entire tumour.
Human "wild" tumours, on the other hand, are breathtakingly polyclonal in
the vast majority of cases. Any treatment may work well for some of the
clones present, but less well or not at all, for others. This is one reason
why promising mouse treatments are so often disappointing in humans.[Orac]
J
Herb Organick
is a major barrier to successful treatments. Unfortunately there is not much
else to be enthusiastic about wrt research into cancer so these tidbits are
all we have to grasp at sometimes. I really feel sorry for all the poor
mice. At least if there were some major breakthroughs they would not be
dying in their millions in vain. I'm not sure if once a tumor is established
in a mouse it can be said that it is monoclonal. A tumor is initiated by
mutated cells that are therefore prone to further mutation by virture of
their nature. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070218194439.htm
Granted in a mouse tumor the genetic diversity of the cells may be different
than in a human tumor depending on the variables that influence mutation.
But how can it be said that all the tumor cells in a mouse tumor are
unmutated progeny of the initial cell or agglomerate of cells?
On the topic of the poor mice I have been wondering for a while why the
system of testing for cancer drugs does not involve the use of human tissue.
It's used to save lives by transplanting organs. Why not use donated
cadavers to test gene therapies? With current medical technology a human
body can be kept alive after the brain is clinically dead. Organ functions
can be substituted for virtually every organ system in the body by heart
lung machines, dialysis machines, intravenous hormones etc. Wouldn't it be
the ideal system short of using humans as lab animals. Yet currently humans
ARE used as lab animals in clinical trials.
Testing of donated brain dead bodies may seem macabre but if it works think
of the human (and mouse) lives saved. The current system just uses the age
old conventional monotherapy treatments until they almost invariably fail
and then just waits for cancer patients to have no other options but to go
home and wait for death or to sign up for trials. Looking at the historical
literature of the results of trials, for the patient, it's too often the
difference between wearing or not wearing a blindfold at your execution.
Surely there has to be a better way than the current laboriosly drawn out
and expensive system for drug testing.
"J" <xewsnswex@nalid;"no> wrote in message
news:49F16651...@execulink.com...
wujian...@21cn.com
Answer for the prostatitis patients consults
excerption
1. What is the different between prostatitis without bacteria
infection and prostatitis with bacteria infection?
The prostatitis with bacteria infection usually cause by the
bacteria infected urethra, then the bacteria go up to infect bladder,
prostate, testis, seminal vesicle, epiddymis,etc urinary organs. Such
as bladderis bloated and ache (underbelly is bloated and ache),urethra
itchy, testis and prostate bloate and ache symptom.There are some
patients' prostatitis is caused by a certain organ serious infection
(such as skin, tonsil,ear, intestines, stomach or kidney infection),
this infection invade the blood by small pus embolus, then through
infection bacteremia or through lymph system spread to prostate.
Usually after 7 days of urethritis beginning, the bacteria can
infect to prostate. If the infection is longer than two months, it is
subacute. If the infection is longer than 3 months, it is chronic. If
you had been chronic of the whole urinary organs infection, you
needn't use antibiotic anymore. In the acute infection period, you can
both use chinese herb medicine and sensitive antibiotic to cure
completely without stopping, most of case can be recovered. But if
you had been chronic, the bacteria had invaded to skin under the
mucosa, invaded into prostate hidden obstinately, so it will bring
more difficult for treatment.
The prostatitis without bacteria infection is caused by the
prostate hyperaemia excessively. Such as driver occupational disease,
the seat bump to constrict prostate. When you sex excessively and bear
not to drain sperm, eating too much pungent and hot food or drinking
too much lead to damp and hot drop to bladder. In these cause, there
are not bacteria infection in prostate, so it is called prostatitis
without bacteria infection, it is easy to cure. Chinese medicine
treatment is the best selection, improve the blood circulation and
break up the block, cooperate practising QiGong to promote the blood
circulation, dredge the main and collateral channels, repair the
damage prostate tissue. The prostate rehabilitator can stimulate the
prostate micro- blood circulation too. Such as when you feel prostate
pain, only need to use the rehabilitator for 30 minutes, the pain will
release or disappear. The bee products provide the nutrition for
prostate recover and enhance the resistance and energy.
Judging whether prostatitis with bacteria infection or without
bacteria infection, main depend on whether the urethra, bladder,
testis have infection symptom. If you have, it must be prostatitis
with bacteria infection. Beside bacteria , the others micro-organism
infection(Mycoplasma, chlamydia,fungus, trichomonad, ect) are also
belong to prostatitis with bacteria infection.
2. If you can't be tested out bacteria in your prostate liquid or
urine, can it be said that you have recovered?
The prostatitis with bacteria infection must accompany the whole
urinary organs infection. After it had been chronic, the human body's
resistency will be stronger and adapt to the bacteria. All the living
thing can adapt each other, so the symptom of chronic is much
alleviated than symptom of acute. If you persevere in treatment, you
will even feel no symptom. This is in a stalemate, neither human being
nor the bacteria can win completely. If the bacteria consistency can't
achieve enough high to be tested, the doctor can't find bacteria in
your prostate secretion. But if you eat the hot food or had a cold,
the body's resistence will be weaken, so the symptoms will be clearer,
perhaps you will be tested out bacteria now. So if you want to judge
whether you had recovered totally, not only need to judge by the test,
but also need to judge by the symptom. After you had recovered, you
need to stop eating the inappropriate food for 3 months.
3. Why the prostatitis disease is the unsolve medical problem in the
world?
The prostatitis is really an unsolve medical problem in the
world. Not only in China, but also in the USA and European countray,
all the doctors are headache for it. There are more than 180 foreign
country prostatitis patients have used my green therapy.(Such as USA,
German, Canada, England, Indian, HongKong, Singapore, Norway, Austria,
Nigerian, Malaysia, Australia,Nepal,South korea and so on). They all
get good effectiveness, most of them had totally recovered, the
others are in treatment now.In china, there are chinese patients buy
the medicine and use my green therapy to cure prostatitis every day.
If they obey my requirement of stopping eating the improper foods and
insist practising Qigong, they all can be recovered. About 2300
chinese patients had recovered by my method in the past three years.
If the prostatitis can't be recover for long time, it will cause
sterility, hyperplasia and calcification. The prostate cancer occur
rate is high in USA and European country. Why prostatitis is so
difficulty to cure? I think the there are follow cause : (1) At first,
it is relate to the prostate special structure, the prostate envelope
is fatty envelope. Not only medicine aqueous solution but also
mediicne fat solution is difficult to permeate into prostate. (2) The
bacteria corrode the cell of prostate everyday, it produce much toxin
and the toxin is difficult to drain out. Such as you have a running
sore, if you didn't drain out the pus , even if you inject much
antibiotic ,you are difficult to recover too. But if you drain out all
the pus, then spread on a little tincture of iodine, the running sore
will discover soon. In the routine treatment, there are not the
draining out pus function, this is one cause of prostatitis difficult
to cure. In my green therapy, the plaster can draw out the prostate
pus from accupoint. (3) The medicine consistency can't maintain
stable. After you eating or injecting medicine, it only can maintain
high consistency in blood for one hour, only little mediicne can
permeate into prostate, so the bacteria invariably have enough time to
breathing spell, so they will not be killed totally. The bacteria will
propagate large quantities soon. (4) The antibiotic is easy to be
adapted by bacteria, and the antibiotic kill the valuable bacteria
which in human body, so it will make bacteria community imbalance, it
will easy to make duality infection. Antibiotic is imposible to cure
chronic prostatitis. The antibiotic or too deficiency of vital energy
and lowering of body resistance chinese medicine have great sideffect,
and they will lead to the constitution becaming bad. If the vital
energy became bad, the unhealthy enviromental influences that cause
disease will be brisk, so the prostatitis will be more difficult to
recover. (5) The prostatitis patients are difficult to stop eating the
unfavourable foods. In the treatment , to stop eating unfaverable
foods requirement is strict, because chinese medicine and foods'
nature are similar. If you go to restaurant or noshery to eat , the
foods usually be put garlic or ginger inside. In Mcdonald and
Kuntucky, there are many backon meat or deep fried potatoes, they are
all hot foods, the patients is difficult to avoid eating them, so it
is hard to cure. (6) The bacteria corrode the prostate cell every day,
so it will make the prostate's texture changed greatly, such as it
change into bigger, sclerosis, hyperplasia, calcication, etc. So it
will make the prostate blood circulation appear some dead space, the
micro-blood circulation is very feeble, so the medicine is more
difficult to permeate into it. It is a Garden of Eden for bacteria.
Such as the dirty water in the sewer, even though you pour a basin
antibiotic into the sewer, still can't kill all the bacteria in the
sewer, and it will change back to stink sewer soon. But if you build a
brook here , change it into running water , all the bacteria will be
washed away, there are no room for the bacteria to hide anymore. So
the ditch will not be stink. In the prostatitis treatment, the
bacteria will not be killed totally until the prostate texture and
micro-blood circulation be repaired to good condition. The traditional
treatment can't do that, you have to cooperate practising QiGong to
repair the prostate texture and micro-blood circulation. I can sure
you can recover by my green therapy. If you want to cure prostatitis ,
you have to solve the above problem. And my green therapy can directe
against the above problem to solve.
4.Can the prostatitis patients sex?
The prostatitis patients can sex moderatetly, such as once or
twice in a week moderate sex can help the inflammation secretion and
pus drain out. But you can't sex excessively. If you sex excessively
( such as sex once for one day), it will cause hyperaemia excessively
and consume the essence of life. So it is disadvantage for prostatitis
patients to recover. if you are prostatitis with bacteria infection,
you have to use condom to avoid to infect others. After sex,use warm
water wash away all sperm, avoid the sperm become the bacteria culture
medium.If you infect the other,when you will recover,the other will
infect you again. So infect each other again and again,you can't
recover forever.
5. What merge syptoms do prostatitis patients have?
The prostatitis with bacteria infection must accompany all the
urinary organs infection. Such as urethra, bladder, testis, prostate,
epididymis vesicle, groin lymph all will be infected. Because all the
urinary system are linked. But the symptom are laid particular
emphasis on different infetion part, it depend on different patients
condition. Perhaps some parts have no symptom and some parts symptom
is obvious, but it is seldom rise to infect kidney, some bacteria(such
as streptococcus and bubercle bacillus) is easy to infect kidney. If
you get pyelonephritis, it will be more trouble, so you ought to cure
actively, prevent infecting kidney. The prostatitis patients usually
symptom is urethra itch and ache, underbelly bloate and pain
(cystitis), testitis oedema and abdominal distenton, epididymis pain,
perineum expend and pain, penis root itch(varicosity infection),
lumbago( it can cause by cystitis or by prolonged illness makes weak
kidney's lumbago), groin uncomfortable( lymph lie in groin, it is the
immunity system that engulf bacteria, but if it can't win, it will
become inflamed too),prolonged ilness will cause sexualfunction and
desire be much weaken or dispear, blood sperm, impotence, premature
ejaculation and barrenness, etc. Vigour symptom are low spirits,
dizzy, tired out, etc.
6. Can different kinds of bacteria infetion prostatitis all be cured
by chinese herb medicine?
The prostatitis can be infected by bacteria( such as bacilli ,
staphylococcus, gonococcus, streptococcus, mould, colon bachomonad,
etc), fungus(such as genital candidiasis), chlamydia, Mycoplasma,
trichomonad etc pathongen. Chinese herb medicine anti all bacteria and
the prescription can antipyretic and reduce eczema, drain the pus out,
diuresis, invigorate the circulation of blood and get rid of stasis,
kill bacteria and recuperate prostate. The prescription is aimed at
prostatitis damp and hot sink, the function of vital energy and the
state of blood are retarded by silt and kidney's vital energy loss.
It kill bacteria but it isn't weak, without side effect. The
prescription not only aim at all the urinary organs infection , but
also stress on prostate, such prescription is secret recipe. Such as
there are some book introduction prescription used safflower to
invigorate the circulation of blood, safflower is very hot, if
prostatitis patients drink it ,it will be more serious. If the
prescription medicine is much deficiency of vital energy and lowering
of body resistance, the patients only can hold out several times for
taking medicine, but if they took longer, it will exhaut their vital
energy and lower of of body resistance. If the constitution be bad,
the disease is more difficult to recover. If you taking the chinese
medicine prescription of killing bacteria had made the symptom very
slight, you can change to take the chinese medicine prescription of
recuperating prostate. The bacteria infection prostatitis pathogenesis
and symptom are similar, they all have eczema, febrile symptom, silt
up and weak character. So you not only need to see killing bacteria ,
but also need to be aimed at the symptom to organize the prescription,
recuprate the main and collateral channels, the negative the
positive. The ointment, the bath medicine and propolis capsule can
kill bacteria too. Depend by my experience, the bacteria infection is
the most suitable, the chlamydia and Mycoplasma are a kinds of
microorganism that smaller than bacteria. They are easier to suit
antibiotic and they have great vitality, so they have to be cured by
chinese medicine. The treatment of fungus and trichomonad infection
prescription have a liittle different. If you want to enhance the
killing bacteria ability, you can eat many purslane. The chinese
medicine prescription would not be suited by bacteria, but the single
chinese medicine perhaps will be suited by bacteria after long period
taking, because all the organism can be siuted each other.
If your orchitis is serious , you can inject the accupoint that
lie at the two side of pubes by Herba Andrographitis or Herb
Houttuyniae injection liquid for several times appropriately. Because
the testis is handed out side your body, the eating medicine is
difficult to reach them. if the medicine density can't reach high, it
will be difficult to ease the inflamation. Inject the accupoint can
make the medicine density reach hingh around the testis quickly. When
the inflammation ease, then drink the chinese medicine to consolidate.
The chinese medicine hospital accupuncture and moxibustion doctor can
inject and I can inject too. if you urethritis symptom is serious
( such as urethra red and swelling),you can use 3 spoon vinegar mix a
cup of cool boiled water, put your penis into the cup to dip in for a
few minute, so it can kill bacteria in your urethra at once, because
all the bacteria can't live in acidity liquid.
7. How will prostatitis influence eugenesis?
If the prostatitis can't be cure for long time, only some
patients will lead to be unable to have children, still no report said
that it will cause foetus malformation. If you have prostatitis with
bacteria infection, it must accompany all the urinary organs
infection, the bacteria erode your testis everyday, influent the
sperms producing and its quality. So the jism will change into very
thin, if the sperms quantity amount can't reach enough high for
pregnant,so it will be difficult for wife pregnant. Because only the
best sperm swim fast to meet the germ cell, so the sperm quality is
not bad, so it hardly cause the new born baby's malformation. The
bacteria etch your prostate everyday, it will make it's texture change
greatly. So it will influent the prostate liquid producing and it
can't nurish sperm, and it will influence pregnant too. The
prostatitis without bacteria infection influence pregnancy too, but it
is less than the influence of prostatitis with bacteria infection.
If you have the infection, you are easy to infect your wife, if your
wife have been infection, your wife have to take medicine in the
pregnant, so it will influence embryo greatly. So I suggest you to
bear children after you recovered. If your symptom is not serious,
and the bacteria can't reach enough, it will not infect your wife,
because the female vagina is acidity, acid can kill bacteria, it is
not easy to be infected.
8. Why the stop eating food requirement is so strict in the
prostatitis treatment?
In the chinese medicine treatment, the medicine and food belong
to the same category. The prostatitis are very sensitive to hot food
( Such as litchi, dog, pumpkin,etc), incentive food(such as ginger,
garlic, wine,ect),cause swelling food(such as mushroom), cause sliting
food(such as Colla Corri and pork-foot), stinking food(such as shrimp,
crab,fish, mutton, etc). The prostatitis wiil be sevious at once after
eating the above kinds of food. If you are cureed by chinese
medicine , you take the herb medicine of reducing internal heat and
dampness, eliminating pus and killing bacteria, invigorating the
circulation of blood and diiolving slit, but you take the unsuit the
proatatitis recover food at the same time, this is tantamount to take
the medicine in vain.
Eating the ginger or garlic once tantamount to take medicine for
five days in vain. Eating seafood once tantamount to take medicine for
ten days in vain. Eating dog once tantamount to take medicine for 15
days in vain. The hot foods will make the bacteria propagate quickly,
the hot foods' biological eletromagnetic wave conform to the
bacteria's eletromagnetic wave. The stinking food will make the
prostate more difficult to dredge and permeate. The causeing slit
foods will make the prostate more sliting. The causing swell food will
make the prostate swell. The protein will change it's properties in
high tempreture( above 200 celsius degree), it will change into hot
food after burnt. Such as the burnt meat is very hot,(If the meat was
boiled by water , the tempreture isn't exceed 100 celsius degree, it
won't be hot food.) so the roast meat and the micro-wave oven
processing food is hot,(The micro-wave oven processing temperature is
above 100 celsius degree.)You can't eat them. Such as the boiling
peanut isn't hot, but stir-fried peanut is hot. The normal stir-fried
meat and vegetable with oil isn't hot, you can eat them. The irritant
food contain teh hot composition and the hinder the prostate dredging
composition. The stop eating foods requirement are listed on my cure
method No.7 point, please brownce it for detail. If you incaution eat
a little hot food , you had better eat some cold food to release the
hot effectiveness at once, such as eat watermelon, pear, white radish
etc, they can neutralize a little the hot food.
9. What tonic or nourishing foods should the prostatitis patients
take to build up their health?
Prostatitis patients suffer from general debility after
prolonged illness. Weak kidney energy can't nourish cerebrum, so the
patient will be dizzy, the memory is falling, tired, impotence, even
the hair turn white or trichomadesis.
The prostatitis patients can't take vulcanize chinese medicine as
tonic, only can take moderate tonic and light tonic. The royal jelly
is the best suit food to build up prostatitis patients health., build
up patients resistance to disease. The prostatitis patients can use
Beiqi, Duzhong, Lianmi,Yimi, Cishi, Heidou,Shouwu, Shanshen, Yuzhu,
Huaishan, Goujizi, Dangshen, Xiyangshen, etc light tonic to stew
chicken,duck,pork,pigeon,etc to nurish. You can take more grape, pear,
watermelon, sugarcane, radish, wax gourd, towel gourd, etc cool melon
and fruit in the normal time.
10.Are there any good treatment methods for An Enlarged Prostate
(BPH) and prostate hyperplasia ?
The bacteria corrode the prostate everyday, prolonged illness will
cause the prostate hyperplasia, bigger, sclerosis, even calcification,
The old men Enlarged Prostate (BPH) is cause by the old age and the
prostate fuction falling, sex hormone maladjustment, dampness and hot
slit up to make the texture change, the prostate hasn't bacteria
infection. some patients will cause calcification, it means that the
texture is very hard in the calcification zone, and the blood
circulation will change into putrescence in this zone, the toxin can't
drain , the toxin will cause the prostate condition change and the
cell aberrance, so some patients will develope to prostate
cancer .So An Enlarged Prostate (BPH) had better use chinese medicine,
physiotherapy(prostate rehabilitator), food therapy and practising
QiGong, cooperate to cure. Take the chinese medicine to stimulate the
prostate blood circulation, destroy the silt, diuresis. Applying the
plaster make the medicne consistency maintain stable to effect the
prostate, use prostate rehabilitator to improve the prostate micro-
blood circulation.( Such as when your prostate pain, use the prostate
rehabilitator only for 30 minutes, the pain will ease at once.)
Practising QiGong to dredge the passages through which vital energy
circulates, remove the ill energy, repair the prostate texture.
Eating the bee product to recuperate, and provide the nutrition for
prostaterepair.My green therapy can remove the calcification and cure
prostate cancer too.
The aboves are my experience and idiographic view in the
prostatitis treatment, answer for the protatitis patients consults
excerption. If you need help and want to consult more, please send E-
mail to me:
E-mail: w...@wac.sina.net
International Tel: (0086-668)6610050 (home)
Mobilephone: (0086-668)3678325(wujiang)
Mail address: mrwujiang ,Gaozhou Normal college, Gao Zhou City ,
Guang Dong Province, Pr.China .
Postcode: 525200
My webside: http://wac.sina.net
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