Root Canal Gone Wrong
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said #13 & #14 would have to be root canaled. #14 did not bother me and had
no cavity. He did both root canals at the same time. I was only on
antibiotics for 2 days before he began procedure. There was immediate pain
to the area that I believed it to be normal and I was told it would hurt for
a couple of days. I was sheduled to go back in a week and a half to have
the procedure completed. During the time between visits, I was very sore
throughout my whole cheek, temple area, and was getting headaches. I called
the dental office and was then informed that it was normal and that the pain
could last for a couple of weeks. I showed up a week and a half later for
the dentist to complete the root canal. The pain was intense when he shot me
with novacaine. He tried to place the rubber dam and I had to stop him
because, even though he numbed me, the pain of him pushing that rubber dam
over my teeth was excruciating. He shot me up some more and I could still
feel every thing but it was bearable. When he irrigated my canals, I felt
all this cold bleachy tasting stuff go up into my cheek and all the way up to
my eye. I was later told that it was just a sensation from the novacaine. I
was given a refill for my antibiotic.
That night I was very sore and thought it was a normal reaction to the trauma.
I was slightly swollen, also. The next day I was a little more swollen. The
following day, however, I was quite swollen. I went directly to the dentist
without calling. He took one look at me and said, "Oh, my!" He prescribed
another antibiotic to take in conjunction with the first one. The next day
when I bent over to picking something up, all this rusty colored liquid came
gushing out of my nose and I became very sick to my stomach. This was on a
Saturday. He told me to stop back on Monday, so I did.
I was still pretty swollen and I expressed my fear that infection would go to
my brain. (My aunt almost died incollege due to a serious sinus infection
that traveled to her brain.) He put me on a Medrol Dose pack. I went back
on Friday and he put me on a different antibiotic. I told him that I was
still in pain. I got a copy of my records and he indicates that "the patient
is feeling better." Now, I never told him that I was feeling better, just
the opposite. The swelling had gone done, but I was still in pain. He kept
telling me that that there was nothing wrong and that he wanted to put crowns
on the teeth and I kept telling him that I didn't want crowns until the pain
issue was resolved. After weeks and weeks of complaining to him, I got very
ill. My face hurt constantly, I was light-headed, dizzy, tired all the time,
I got these itchy pusy bumps all over me, I had tingling in my cheek that
would radiate up and around the side of my head and down my neck, I couldn't
sleep, I developed anxiety, burning sensation behind left eye, twichty left
eye,loss of concentration, and drop in energy.
At this point I decided to consult a medical doctor because I was certain
that the infection had gone systemic. The doctor believed it ws my sinuses
and I argued that it wasn't. I was sent for a CT scan of my sinuses and
referred to an ENT. The CT came back negative for sinus problems and the ENT
said there was nothing wrong there, either. Another 2 weeks lapsed and I
again became very ill. I returned to the dentist and told him again that
there was something wrong. He, again, insisted on putting crowns on my teeth.
I freaked out on him and said that I refuse to have the crowns out on when
there is clearly something wrong. That's when he finally referred me to an
endodontist. It only took him 4 months!!!
I saw the endodontist that same day. He took x-rays and immediately said
that my dentist had missed a canal. He said that he would have to re-do the
root canal on #14. He put me on an antibiotic for 7 days. As soon as he
open the tooth I smelled this putrid smell. He stopped what he was doing to
take pictures. He said the dentist there was infection in the tooth. I
asked if it had come from the missed canal and he said that the dentist had
left decay in there that had became infected. As soon as the infection was
removed, the burning behind my eye stopped.
I thought that the rest of my symptoms would begin to disappear. To this day,
I am still living with pain in the tooth, pain and tingling in the cheek with
radiates up and around my head and down into my neck, itchy bumps, pain
behind my eye, twitching of the eye, anxiety. I have seen 2 ENTs, 2
neurologists, 2 oral surgeons, and my primary doctor and have no answers to
this dilemma. I have had numerous CT scans, MRIs of the head, MRAs, x-rays.
There is nothing more than a little congestion at the tooth site. The last
oral sureon said that the dentist overfilled my roots into my sinus cavity
and there is a piece of it laying on the sinus floor. I told him that I
always felt sick and he said that it would make me sick. The last ENT that I
saw said that everything seems to indicate nerve damage of some sort in my
face. The last neurologist that I saw diagnosed me with trigeminal neuralgia.
Also, on the MRA that the neurologist sent me for, it was indicated that
there was vasculitis in the middle cerebral artery. I found in my research
that vasculitis is a systemic disease and that it may be caused by a chronic
or recent infection. My doctor told me that my itchy rash may be coming from
the vasculitis.
It is poosible that the irrigation into my cheek caused nerve damage? Is it
possible that the injections of novacaine caused nerve damage? Is it
possible that having the infected tooth sit in my head for four months caused
a systemic condition? My doctor said that my next step is to see an
infectious disease specialist.
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Amatus Cremona
others who were fishing for a lawsuit.
I presume I am wrong.
Your description of signs and symptoms do NOT match what your description of
the problem is.
Having said all that, an air embolism is possible during RCT, which hurts
and causes swelling, then resolves completely. These swell up tremendously
in minutes. One would have to force a lot of the irrigant through the root
tip at great pressure (very hard to do) to cause any damage. I cannot
imagine any scenario where these issues would lead to a long term rash.
Antibiotics for RCT teeth never help the tooth itself, only the tissues
around the tooth.
I wonder how one could taste the irrigant if it was pushed into tissue
spaces??
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"Sherry via MedKB.com" <u14695@uwe> wrote in message
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Newbie
>I hate to sound like a doubter, but much of your description matches that of
>others who were fishing for a lawsuit.
My first though exactly.
>
>I presume I am wrong.
>
I presume that you are correct.
>Your description of signs and symptoms do NOT match what your description of
>the problem is.
>
>Having said all that, an air embolism is possible during RCT, which hurts
>and causes swelling, then resolves completely. These swell up tremendously
>in minutes. One would have to force a lot of the irrigant through the root
>tip at great pressure (very hard to do) to cause any damage. I cannot
>imagine any scenario where these issues would lead to a long term rash.
>
>Antibiotics for RCT teeth never help the tooth itself, only the tissues
>around the tooth.
>
>I wonder how one could taste the irrigant if it was pushed into tissue
>spaces??
>
>--
>/
>
>Amatus
These two statements just don't sound right:
>>When he irrigated my canals, I felt
>>all this cold bleachy tasting stuff go up into my cheek and all the way up to
>>my eye.
...and
>>I saw the endodontist that same day. He took x-rays and immediately said
>>that my dentist had missed a canal. He said that he would have to re-do the
>>root canal on #14. He put me on an antibiotic for 7 days. As soon as he
>>open the tooth I smelled this putrid smell. He stopped what he was doing to
>>take pictures.
Hmmm, OK. By pictures does the OP mean radiographs ?
Missed MB2 ?
>>He said the dentist there was infection in the tooth.
What !??!? Mebbe a micro-dentist ? Hmmm...
>> I asked if it had come from the missed canal and he said that the dentist had
>>left decay in there that had became infected. As soon as the infection was
>>removed, the burning behind my eye stopped.
Unlikely.
I smell a troll.
grub...@gmail.com
> >>I saw the endodontist that same day. He took x-rays and immediately said
> >>that my dentist had missed a canal. He said that he would have to re-do the
> >>root canal on #14. He put me on an antibiotic for 7 days. As soon as he
> >>open the tooth I smelled this putrid smell. He stopped what he was doing to
> >>take pictures.
>
> Hmmm, OK. By pictures does the OP mean radiographs ?
Well she mentioned xrays having been taken prior to redoing RCT;
sounds like he documented the infection with regular photos.
CC
Dentists are the used car salesmen of the medical
profession.
I would rather pull a teeth out, rather than doing
a root canal. I have been advised RCT by 2 different
dentists over the last 15 years. The moment a dentists
does so, it's the cue to change dentists. Both times the
new one said fillings would be enough.
Also ignored their wanting to pull my wisdom teeth.
RCT's and Wisdom teeth are what pays for the BMWs
and the alimonies. It's like the chap at Best Buy selling you
extended warranty or the car saleman selling you the underbody
polish.
Sherry via MedKB.com
to do with taste, maybe the storng smell of the bleach just made it seem like
I was tasting it. Just seems funny that all of this stuff happened directly
after the root canal was done. He offered to credit the cost for the second
root canal towards my crowns. The fact that this guy did not refer me to a
specialist for four months when I was adamant that something was wrong is
what angers me. There was something wrong -- he missed a canal and left
infection in my tooth. He should heave recognized the symptoms of a missed
canal, don't you think? I mean since it is such a common occurence you would
have thought he would have learned that in dental school. The infection
festered in my face for four months which I believed caused the vasculitis in
my brain that caused the rash. Never had any of this stuff happen until this
guy root canaled me. Also the fact that the endodontist who does root canals
all day long told me that he never does two root canals simultaneously. He's
the one who referred me to the first neurologist.
Amatus Cremona wrote:
>I hate to sound like a doubter, but much of your description matches that of
>others who were fishing for a lawsuit.
>
>I presume I am wrong.
>
>Your description of signs and symptoms do NOT match what your description of
>the problem is.
>
>Having said all that, an air embolism is possible during RCT, which hurts
>and causes swelling, then resolves completely. These swell up tremendously
>in minutes. One would have to force a lot of the irrigant through the root
>tip at great pressure (very hard to do) to cause any damage. I cannot
>imagine any scenario where these issues would lead to a long term rash.
>
>Antibiotics for RCT teeth never help the tooth itself, only the tissues
>around the tooth.
>
>I wonder how one could taste the irrigant if it was pushed into tissue
>spaces??
>
>> June 2005 went to dentist because of toothache in #13. He took x-rays and
>> said #13 & #14 would have to be root canaled. #14 did not bother me and
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>> a systemic condition? My doctor said that my next step is to see an
>> infectious disease specialist.
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Sherry via MedKB.com
he stopped to take pictures. I did not say x-ray as he did those first. He
used a digital camera to photogragh the inside of the tooth.
Newbie wrote:
>>I hate to sound like a doubter, but much of your description matches that of
>>others who were fishing for a lawsuit.
>
>My first though exactly.
>
>>I presume I am wrong.
>
>I presume that you are correct.
>
>>Your description of signs and symptoms do NOT match what your description of
>>the problem is.
>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>I wonder how one could taste the irrigant if it was pushed into tissue
>>spaces??
>
>These two statements just don't sound right:
>
>>>When he irrigated my canals, I felt
>>>all this cold bleachy tasting stuff go up into my cheek and all the way up to
>>>my eye.
>
>...and
>
>>>I saw the endodontist that same day. He took x-rays and immediately said
>>>that my dentist had missed a canal. He said that he would have to re-do the
>>>root canal on #14. He put me on an antibiotic for 7 days. As soon as he
>>>open the tooth I smelled this putrid smell. He stopped what he was doing to
>>>take pictures.
>Hmmm, OK. By pictures does the OP mean radiographs ?
>Missed MB2 ?
>
>>>He said the dentist there was infection in the tooth.
>
>What !??!? Mebbe a micro-dentist ? Hmmm...
>
>>> I asked if it had come from the missed canal and he said that the dentist had
>>>left decay in there that had became infected. As soon as the infection was
>>>removed, the burning behind my eye stopped.
>
>Unlikely.
>
>I smell a troll.
--
Newbie
>he missed a canal and left
>infection in my tooth. He should heave recognized the symptoms of a missed
>canal, don't you think? I mean since it is such a common occurence you would
>have thought he would have learned that in dental school.
I think you are fishing.
Sherry via MedKB.com
it can be fixed. My cheek still gets puffy around the tooth area to this day!
Regardless of what you think, I can feel the pain and tingling coming from
around the tooth area. Also had two ENTs tell me it's not my sinuses. And
if it's not related then why did the burning behind my eye stop immediately
after the infection was taken out of the tooth by the endo? These are the
areas that are still causing problems. So what if it takes a lot of force to
inject the irrigation solution past the tip of the root, that doesn't mean it
doesn't happen. It must happen sometimes if you know how it happens, right?
The MRA that the neurlogist sent me for showed vasculitis in the middle
cerebral artery - close enough to the tooth site. Vasculitis can be caused
by a recent or chronic infection. A symptom of vasculitis is a rash. Did
not have this rash until after I began getting sick from the root canal.
By the way, I am a legal assistant, so trying to get a lawsuit together won't
be hard for me to do. I just want to see if there is anything that can be
done to help get rid of this bothersome, annoying pain and tingling in my
face.
Amatus Cremona wrote:
>I hate to sound like a doubter, but much of your description matches that of
>others who were fishing for a lawsuit.
>
>I presume I am wrong.
>
>Your description of signs and symptoms do NOT match what your description of
>the problem is.
>
>Having said all that, an air embolism is possible during RCT, which hurts
>and causes swelling, then resolves completely. These swell up tremendously
>in minutes. One would have to force a lot of the irrigant through the root
>tip at great pressure (very hard to do) to cause any damage. I cannot
>imagine any scenario where these issues would lead to a long term rash.
>
>Antibiotics for RCT teeth never help the tooth itself, only the tissues
>around the tooth.
>
>I wonder how one could taste the irrigant if it was pushed into tissue
>spaces??
>
>> June 2005 went to dentist because of toothache in #13. He took x-rays and
>> said #13 & #14 would have to be root canaled. #14 did not bother me and
>[quoted text clipped - 128 lines]
>> a systemic condition? My doctor said that my next step is to see an
>> infectious disease specialist.
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Jan Drew
"Sherry via MedKB.com" <u14695@uwe> wrote in message
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Anything is possible. Starting with the dangers of root canals.
Educate yourself for the sake of your health.
http://www.integratedhealthpractice.com/treatment.asp#Root
ll root cancel fillings have the potential to casue bad health. This
is because, althought the nerve has been removed, bacteria still
colonise in the minute tubules of a tooth. These bacteria produce
toxins which enter the body causing potential harm.
An area of residual infection which is left under the gum, usually
following, but sometimes a long time after an extraction can cause
problems. Symptoms can be coincided with the energetic links to the
body as well as localised problems.
http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm
http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm
http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html
http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html
http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm
http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm
http://www.cfsn.com/maz/
`http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm
http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm
http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html
http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html
http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html
Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root.
A dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no
way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.
>(San Francisco, CA) - For the first time anywhere, dentists will be
>required to post a warning about the dangers of mercury in their dental
>fillings. A California Superior court judge finalized the language for
>the warning to be posted in dentists' offices here today.
>The warning will read as follows:
>Notice to Patients, Proposition 65:
>Warning on dental amalgams, used in many dental fillings, causes exposure
>to mercury, a chemical known to the state of California to cause birth
>defects or other reproductive harm.
>Root canal treatments and restorations including fillings, crowns and
>bridges, use chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer.
>The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has studied the situation and
>approved for use all dental restorative materials.
>Consult your dentist to determine which materials are appropriate for your
>treatment.
>The exact language of the warning was argued and then finalized before
>Superior Court Judge James A. Robertson II between the California Dental
>Association, the largest constituent organization of the American Dental
>Association and Attorney Shawn Khorrami (Cor-ahm-mee). The agreement
>requires its member dentists to warn patients about the toxic dangers of
>mercury dental fillings and root canals. The agreement also allows non-CDA
>dentists to opt in to the agreement and post the warning.
>The warning is the result of a lawsuit filed by The Law Offices of Shawn
>Khorrami on behalf of As You Sow, a not-for-profit foundation dedicated to
>advocacy and activism in the public interest.
>"This is the first admission by organized dentistry that amalgams pose a
>potential health risk," says Shawn Khorrami, lead attorney. "The only
>problem is that it's about 100 years too late."
>This California consent judgment follows on the heels of recent lawsuits
>filed in Georgia, Texas, Ohio and Los Angeles, California charging that
>mercury fillings placed in a woman's mouth contributed to the autism of
>her child, as well as lawsuits in Maryland, California, and New York
>charging the American Dental Association with misrepresenting amalgam
>dental fillings as "silver." The lawsuits basically allege that such
>fillings actually contain approximately 50% mercury by weight. They cause
>continuous, daily exposure to mercury and, thereby pose substantial health
>risks to certain users. Mercury, a highly toxic substance, is the most
>widely used substance in dental fillings today.
>The use of mercury-based thimerosal in vaccines also has been the source
>of the recent controversy in the Homeland Security legislation.
>Khorrami filed the lawsuit against Roger Fieldman D.D.S., Inc., the
>Citadel Dental Group, Inc. dental offices, dental laboratories and
>private dental schools and training programs with more than nine
>employees. The suit won the enforcement of Proposition 65, Safe Drinking
>Water and Toxics Enforcement Act [Health & Safety Code ยง 25249.6].
>Proposition 65 requires that a clear and reasonable warning be provided to
>persons prior to their exposure to a chemical known to cause cancer or
>reproductive harm. This statute lists mercury, contained in dental
>amalgam, as a substance that can cause reproductive toxicity. The lawsuit
>was based on the absence of warnings to patients treated with amalgam
>restorative materials in dental offices.
>The judgment on Proposition 65 mandates that all dental offices with more
>than nine employees provide warnings on the dangers of Mercury dental
>fillings to patients. Those in non-compliance could incur a fine of up to
>$2,500 per day.
>Press may contact: Jackie Gladfelter at 650-218-1856 or D. Infusino at
>415-225-7970; call Attorney Shawn Khorrami at 818-94
Jan
Amatus Cremona
Amatus Cremona
> Also the fact that the endodontist who does root canals
> all day long told me that he never does two root canals simultaneously.
Red Flag !!!
Newbie
>
>
>> By the way, I am a legal assistant,
>
nuff said.
Sherry via MedKB.com
the Internet is not admissible. I would have to hire an expert witness.
Like I said, I am just trying to figure out what is wrong since none of the
doctors can seem to tell me anything.
Newbie wrote:
>>> By the way, I am a legal assistant,
>
>nuff said.
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Newbie
So you think that internet diagnosis without any radiographs or pictures,
and not to mention not seeing you in person is a good route to follow ?
If you post an x-ray I will give you my opinion of what I see.
Granted your tooth may be fractured and that doesn't always show
on a radiograph.
Sherry via MedKB.com
who went through the same thing and to find out where they went or who they
saw to resolve the problem. Doctors who have seen me in person don't know
what to make of it.
Newbie wrote:
>So you think that internet diagnosis without any radiographs or pictures,
>and not to mention not seeing you in person is a good route to follow ?
>
>If you post an x-ray I will give you my opinion of what I see.
>Granted your tooth may be fractured and that doesn't always show
>on a radiograph.
>
>>If I was going to file a lawsuit, the information from message boards over
>>the Internet is not admissible. I would have to hire an expert witness.
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Sherry via MedKB.com
Delaware at the moment or I would post them.
Newbie wrote:
>So you think that internet diagnosis without any radiographs or pictures,
>and not to mention not seeing you in person is a good route to follow ?
>
>If you post an x-ray I will give you my opinion of what I see.
>Granted your tooth may be fractured and that doesn't always show
>on a radiograph.
>
>>If I was going to file a lawsuit, the information from message boards over
>>the Internet is not admissible. I would have to hire an expert witness.
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>>>
Newbie
Ask them to email you copies then post them.