Nightguard to Prevent Supereruption?
min...@cw.net
Since I recently lost a molar, I've been investigating supereruption
and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
Anyone familiar with this? Any nightguard ideas from persons
experienced in wearing or working with them?
What kind of nightguard will work? Any type?
Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent supereruption
of a molar?
Thank you.
MZRDMD
here. In my opinion, I would tend to agree with those who have said that a
night guard will NOT prevent supraeruption unless you wear it 24 hours a day.
Also, I believe that the supraeruption would be significantly slowed if you
were to wear a hard acrylic nightguard. However, even the hard night guards
wear, and as it wore away, the tooth would have room to supraerupt. You
probably wouldn't even notice it happening, as it occurs very, very slowly. As
stated above, this is just my humble opinion. Others may disagree with me, but
that's what Usenet is all about !!!
Good luck,
Dr. Mike
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Which molar? (how many teeth from the front?)
Why not just replace the tooth?
Steve
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You wrote to Minerva:
<< In my opinion, I would tend to agree with those who have said that a
night guard will NOT prevent supraeruption unless you wear it 24 hours a day.
Also, I believe that the supraeruption would be significantly slowed if you
were to wear a hard acrylic nightguard. However, even the hard night guards
wear, and as it wore away, the tooth would have room to supraerupt. >>
If the tooth supererupted every day slightly (as it might) over 16 hours
period, it would return in an otherwise healthy dentition with the night guard
wear for 1/3 of the day. This is the basic premise of wearing an orthodontic
retainer at night. Therefore in all likelihood consistent regular wear of a
nightguard at bedtime would most likely prevent unchecked supereruption.
Stan
Dr. Frank from AZ, USA
see below
<mailto:min...@cw.net> wrote in message
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>
> Since I recently lost a molar, I've been investigating supereruption
> and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
> Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
> supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
> done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
>
> Anyone familiar with this?
Any nightguard ideas from persons
> experienced in wearing or working with them?
yes
> What kind of nightguard will work?
a rigid hard plastic perfectly fitted one that may need to be adjusted a
couple of times to prevent negative changes
Any type? Tanner type with anterior disclusion.
> Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent supereruption
> of a molar?
Absolutely. The research show that if the nightguard is worn at night the
little bit (and I emphasize a little bit in one days time) of eruption will
be resolve when you put the guard back on at night.
Actually, there are easier ways that cost about the same as the splint such
as a "valplast" partial or others. Ask Steve Mancuso, he has an intrigueing
compromise solution to a regular bridge.
good luck!
Frank Nelson, DDS
>
> Thank you.
>
Wally Davis
<hans.l...@swipnet.se> wrote:
>|Hi there,
>|
>|You wrote:
>|>Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent super-
>|>eruption of a molar?
>|
>|I will probably surprise some dentists here bringing the
>|following good news to you: Sure. A night guard will be
>|sufficient, not allowing the molar to supererupt if it is in
>|contact with the tooth. It takes very little to stop teeth
>|from supererupting, so nightly use will be just fine.
>|
>|There are two types of supereruption: a quick one and a
>|slow one. Extensive research has been done on this by
>|Prof BL Dahl in Oslo, Norway who started by cementing
>|an anterior partial bite-raising splint on the lingual portion
>|of the upper front teeth as a treatment of patients with
>|advanced localized attrition or low vertical dimension.
>|Professor Zackrisson, also in Norway, has later refined the
>|technique which now is performed with clinical excellence.
>|
>|Supraeruption of a molar due to the absence of oppsosing
>|tooth contacts is mainly due to growth of the periodontium
>|(even if a raise of the dentoalveolar ridge cannot be detected
>|by the naked eye). Later tooth movement beyond the plane
>|of occlusion is due principally to active eruption.
>|
>|Active eruption, with root exposure due to supereruption, is
>|in fact, when comparing results, clinically similar to bone
>|loss due to periodontitis but should not be confused with
>|that type of bone loss that has occurred around a former
>|periodontally compromised tooth.
The two are "clinically similar" - can you tell the difference from
x-rays?
>|
>|
>|
>I guess you want a splint instead of a bridge due to financial
>|reasons. If so, why not try an etched metal splint to prevent
>|the supereruption of the unopposed teeth?
>|
>|Or, even better, an EastFlex bridge.
>|
>|Hans Lennros DDS
>|============================================
>|
>|min...@cw.net. wrote:
>|>Since I recently lost a molar, I've been investigating supereruption
>|>and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
>|>Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
>|>supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
>|>done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
>|>
>|>Anyone familiar with this? Any nightguard ideas from persons
>|>experienced in wearing or working with them?
>|>What kind of nightguard will work? Any type?
>|>Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent supereruption
>|>of a molar?
>|>
>|>Thank you.
>|
>|
Dr. SM
We could easily place a Monodont in place of a missing molar for little more
than the cost of laboratory fabricated splint. It would hold the teeth in
position, provide function and esthetics and last a good 4-5 years. If the
missing tooth has no distal agonist, then the Monodont will not work.
Dr. Steve
"Dr. Frank from AZ, USA" <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote in message
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> The answers are"
> see below
> <mailto:min...@cw.net> wrote in message
> news:3a16bb75...@news.cwnet.com...
> >
> > Since I recently lost a molar, I've been investigating supereruption
> > and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
> > Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
> > supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
> > done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
> >
> > Anyone familiar with this?
> yes
> Any nightguard ideas from persons
> > experienced in wearing or working with them?
>
> yes
> > What kind of nightguard will work?
> a rigid hard plastic perfectly fitted one that may need to be adjusted a
> couple of times to prevent negative changes
> Any type? Tanner type with anterior disclusion.
>
> > Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent supereruption
> > of a molar?
>
Hans Lennros
I guess you want a splint instead of a bridge due to financial
reasons. If so, why not try an etched metal splint to prevent
the supereruption of the unopposed teeth?
Or, even better, an EastFlex bridge.
Hans Lennros DDS
============================================
min...@cw.net. wrote:
>Since I recently lost a molar, I've been investigating supereruption
>and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
>Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
>supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
>done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
>
>Anyone familiar with this? Any nightguard ideas from persons
>experienced in wearing or working with them?
>What kind of nightguard will work? Any type?
>Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent supereruption
>of a molar?
>
>Thank you.
Nelson
Hans.
Dr Frank
Hans Lennros wrote in message ...
Nelson
When are you going to send me some info on the thing. Also I am unfamiliar
(I think) with the Eastflex bridge. What is that?
fmn
Dr. SM wrote in message ...
>Frank,
>
>We could easily place a Monodont in place of a missing molar for little
more
>than the cost of laboratory fabricated splint. It would hold the teeth in
>position, provide function and esthetics and last a good 4-5 years. If the
>missing tooth has no distal agonist, then the Monodont will not work.
>
>Dr. Steve
>
>"Dr. Frank from AZ, USA" <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote in message
>news:rZBR5.816$bc7....@news-west.eli.net...
>> The answers are"
>> see below
>> <mailto:min...@cw.net> wrote in message
>> news:3a16bb75...@news.cwnet.com...
>> >
>> > and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
>> > Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
>> > supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
>> > done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
>> >
>> > Anyone familiar with this?
>> Any nightguard ideas from persons
>> > experienced in wearing or working with them?
>>
>> > What kind of nightguard will work?
>> couple of times to prevent negative changes
>> Any type? Tanner type with anterior disclusion.
>>
>> > of a molar?
>>
Roy Brown
Supraeruption may not be a problem if the tooth in question is able to
contact a tooth in the opposite arch when your teeth meet.
Roy
"Nelson" <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote in message
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Hans Lennros
You wrote:
>The two are "clinically similar" - can you tell
>the difference from x-rays?
Yes.
Hans
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Wally Davis skrev i meddelandet <8n5e1tcmh5ko7fjam...@4ax.com>...
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:00:24 +0100, "Hans Lennros"
><hans.l...@swipnet.se> wrote:
>
>The two are "clinically similar" - can you tell the difference from
>x-rays?
>>|
>>|
>>|
Hans Lennros
You wrote:
>Supraeruption may not be a problem if the tooth in question is
>able to contact a tooth in the opposite arch when your teeth meet.
True. And the contact doesn't even have to be great, the slightest
contact with something will prevent supereruption. A small etched
metal splint in the enamel on the premolar extending to the molar
will also do just fine (as long as it stays there), see picture below.
Hans Lennros DDS
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
/ \ - - - -/ __\____/___ \ - - - -/ \
( enamel ____ \ / \ \
/ / \ |( etched splint \
| | | || ]
| | | || |
\ | | / \ "Molar" /
\ \ / / \ /
\ premolar / \ /
\ / \ /
\ / \ /
x x x x
x root x x x
min...@cw.net
wrote:
>Frank,
>
>We could easily place a Monodont in place of a missing molar for little more
>than the cost of laboratory fabricated splint. It would hold the teeth in
>position, provide function and esthetics and last a good 4-5 years. If the
>missing tooth has no distal agonist, then the Monodont will not work.
>
>Dr. Steve
I don't know if I have a distal agonist or not...
The tooth that is missing is #18. All the other teeth are intact,
except wisdom teeth which were all four removed many years ago.
There is no tooth in back of the space where 18 was.
Is a Monodont possible in this situation?
>"Dr. Frank from AZ, USA" <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote in message
>news:rZBR5.816$bc7....@news-west.eli.net...
>> The answers are"
>> see below
>> <mailto:min...@cw.net> wrote in message
>> news:3a16bb75...@news.cwnet.com...
>> >
>> > Since I recently lost a molar, I've been investigating supereruption
>> > and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
>> > Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
>> > supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
>> > done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
>> >
>> > Anyone familiar with this?
>> yes
>> Any nightguard ideas from persons
>> > experienced in wearing or working with them?
>>
>> yes
>> > What kind of nightguard will work?
>> a rigid hard plastic perfectly fitted one that may need to be adjusted a
>> couple of times to prevent negative changes
>> Any type? Tanner type with anterior disclusion.
>>
>> > Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent supereruption
>> > of a molar?
>>
min...@cw.net
The possibilities so far are, in no particluar order:
nightguard, implant, bridge (although I'm not sure if these will work
in my case - Monodont, EastFlex, or Valplast), etched metal splint,
do nothing and have the unopposed tooth extracted, regenerate another
tooth (most simple, but not yet possible, I'll have to wait for that
one.)
I have to see what's available and best in my local area.
Thank you so much to each and everyone who responded to this
post and please add if you have any other ideas at all.
>
>Since I recently lost a molar, I've been investigating supereruption
>and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
>Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
>supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
>done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
>
>Anyone familiar with this? Any nightguard ideas from persons
>experienced in wearing or working with them?
>What kind of nightguard will work? Any type?
>Is a nightguard an effective way to prevent supereruption
>of a molar?
>
>Thank you.
>
MZRDMD
home last night), I thought that perhaps a night guard WOULD "do the trick"
because our teeth are normally not in occlusal contact except during
mastication and swallowing. Of course, parafunctional habits should be taken
into consideration, also, but if we all go around without our teeth in occlusal
contact for the great majority of the day, why don't they all supraerupt ?
Just an afterthought. Again, I must state that I am theorizing here, as I have
never attempted actual treatment of this type.
>If the tooth supererupted every day slightly (as it might) over 16 hours
>period, it would return in an otherwise healthy dentition with the night
>guard
>wear for 1/3 of the day. This is the basic premise of wearing an orthodontic
>retainer at night. Therefore in all likelihood consistent regular wear of a
>nightguard at bedtime would most likely prevent unchecked supereruption.
>
>Stan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Dr. Mike
DrCnBseen
I believe I can speak for the group and say, your welcome from all of us at
SMD. It's amazing how many great minds and great suggestions you got on this
particular usenet.
<< I have to see what's available and best in my local area.>>
Now that you are informed ( a very important tool), your suggestion is perhaps
the wisest.
Stan
min...@cw.net
>Hi Minerva,
>
>I believe I can speak for the group and say, your welcome from all of us at
>SMD. It's amazing how many great minds and great suggestions you got on this
>particular usenet.
viva the internet!
><< I have to see what's available and best in my local area.>>
>
>Now that you are informed ( a very important tool), your suggestion is perhaps
>the wisest.
... and the task will be more difficult and time consuming.
>Stan
>
>
>
Dr. Frank from AZ, USA
fmnnews:3a182eb2...@news.cwnet.com...
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:11:58 -0500, "Dr. SM" <sma...@home.msen.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Frank,
> >
> >We could easily place a Monodont in place of a missing molar for little
more
> >than the cost of laboratory fabricated splint. It would hold the teeth
in
> >position, provide function and esthetics and last a good 4-5 years. If
the
> >missing tooth has no distal agonist, then the Monodont will not work.
> >
> >Dr. Steve
>
> I don't know if I have a distal agonist or not...
> The tooth that is missing is #18. All the other teeth are intact,
> except wisdom teeth which were all four removed many years ago.
> There is no tooth in back of the space where 18 was.
> Is a Monodont possible in this situation?
>
>
> >"Dr. Frank from AZ, USA" <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote in message
> >news:rZBR5.816$bc7....@news-west.eli.net...
> >> The answers are"
> >> see below
> >> <mailto:min...@cw.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3a16bb75...@news.cwnet.com...
> >> >
> >> > and nightguards. I'm hearing contradictory views on the topic.
> >> > Some say from personal experience... yes, a nightguard will prevent
> >> > supereruption... others say NO, impossible, it can not be
> >> > done unless a person wears the nightguard 24 hours/day(!)
> >> >
> >> > Anyone familiar with this?
> >> Any nightguard ideas from persons
> >> > experienced in wearing or working with them?
> >>
> >> > What kind of nightguard will work?
a
> >> couple of times to prevent negative changes
> >> Any type? Tanner type with anterior disclusion.
> >>
> >> > of a molar?
> >>
James P. Boyd, DDS
>
> Minerva
>
> Supraeruption may not be a problem if the tooth in question is able to
> contact a tooth in the opposite arch when your teeth meet.
>
> Roy
Roy's right!
Here's what he's talking about:
http://www.DrJimboyd.com/NTI_Tutorial_page_25.html
-El J~
min...@cw.net
<pit...@ctaz.com> wrote:
>Noop. That's what Dr Steve means.
>fmn
alright.
I'll move my post and see if he replies.
Thank you for the nightguard details.
min...@cw.net
wrote:
>We could easily place a Monodont in place of a missing molar for little more
>than the cost of laboratory fabricated splint. It would hold the teeth in
>position, provide function and esthetics and last a good 4-5 years. If the
>missing tooth has no distal agonist, then the Monodont will not work.
>
>Dr. Steve
I don't know if the tooth has a distal agonist or not.
The tooth that is missing is #18. All the other teeth are intact,
except wisdom teeth which were all four removed many years ago.
There is no tooth in back of the space where 18 was.
Is a Monodont possible in this situation?
(if you can tell from my description)
min...@cw.net
<J...@DrJimBoyd.com> wrote:
>Roy Brown wrote:
>>
>> Minerva
>>
>> Supraeruption may not be a problem if the tooth in question is able to
>> contact a tooth in the opposite arch when your teeth meet.
>>
>> Roy
>
>Roy's right!
Thank you for the illustration.
In my case, there is no vertical stop, not even a corner, and there is
no tooth behind the missing tooth (#18).
That's why I'm looking at the possible ways to stop the tooth.
I wish there was a stop for the tooth, but there is not.
So I'll have to have one manufactured, asap.
>
>Here's what he's talking about:
>http://www.DrJimboyd.com/NTI_Tutorial_page_25.html
>
>-El J~
>
>>
Dr. Steve
Is it time to start a new thread describing your little gem again?
Frank, we can discuss the Monodont personally if you like. I am trying to
work up a good demonstration case right now. I have one person who could
use one on each side to replace upper first premolars. I am going to offer
them at half price in exchange for liberal release signatures on sharing the
images I make of them. If this works out, I'll photograph each step of the
process.
Steve
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Dr. Steve
If your missing tooth is the last tooth in the back with no tooth behind it,
your best choice for replacement may only be an implant. A MonoDont
requires a tooth in front of and behind the missing tooth's space.
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Please note that it is impossible to diagnose dental or medical conditions
and problems without a full examination in person and reviewing the entire
history. These posts are only intended to be helpful and informative.
Always seek the advise of your dentist prior to following any advice given
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Troy, Michigan U.S.A.
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<mailto:min...@cw.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:56:29 GMT, "Dr. Frank from AZ, USA"
> <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote:
>
> >Noop. That's what Dr Steve means.
> >fmn
>
> alright.
> I'll move my post and see if he replies.
> Thank you for the nightguard details.
>
Nelson
fmn
Dr. Steve wrote in message <3a19cca9$1...@athena.netset.com>...
>Hey Maris,
>
>Is it time to start a new thread describing your little gem again?
>
>Frank, we can discuss the Monodont personally if you like. I am trying to
>work up a good demonstration case right now. I have one person who could
>use one on each side to replace upper first premolars. I am going to offer
>them at half price in exchange for liberal release signatures on sharing
the
>images I make of them. If this works out, I'll photograph each step of the
>process.
>
>Steve
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Please note that it is impossible to diagnose dental or medical conditions
>and problems without a full examination in person and reviewing the entire
>history. These posts are only intended to be helpful and informative.
>Always seek the advise of your dentist prior to following any advice given
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
>Troy, Michigan U.S.A.
>drs...@mancusodds.com
>
>.....
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