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Michael Ejercito
Aug 31, 2022, 10:00:31 AM8/31/22
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How dare anyone demand an apology for Covid lockdowns – have they
forgotten the terrors of early 2020?
The myth is being perpetuated that lockdowns actually caused more deaths
than lives saved. It is a ridiculous suggestion, but a seductive one
Sean O'Grady
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Advocating lockdowns might not seem the most appropriate way to enjoy a
sunny bank holiday, but I fear it’s necessary.
Thanks to some unwise remarks by those two second-raters vying to lead
our poor knackered nation, the Covid denialists have been emboldened.
Not only do they vow to resist any future public health precautions, but
they are demanding that those of us who advocated lockdowns should
apologise, both for the lockdowns themselves and the undoubted misery
caused, but also for the non-Covid excess deaths now being experienced.
It is getting absurd.
Liz Truss, inexplicably and inexcusably, has ruled out lockdowns in the
face of any future pandemic, no matter how deadly; and Rishi Sunak now
says he didn’t argue hard enough in cabinet about the economic damage
and let the scientists become “empowered”.
Where once these two said they wanted to be guided by the science, they
have now joined the ranks of the anti-science conspiracy theorists. It’s
terrifying to behold. At least Boris Johnson, genuinely reluctant and
slow to impose the lockdowns, did bow to the reality of the position in
2020 and 2021 and take the painful action required to save many lives.
His successors seem, strange to say, more cowardly about doing the right
thing in future. They seem to have sided with those who’d rather not run
up more national debt, and thus pay higher taxes, to save the lives of
others. It’s an ugly sort of backlash.
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The myth is being perpetuated that lockdowns actually caused more deaths
than lives saved. It is a ridiculous suggestion, but a seductive one,
and one that is gaining currency, on social media and among folk who
should know better.
Have we forgotten the terrors of early 2020? A completely unfamiliar,
poorly understood but highly infectious and potentially deadly
coronavirus was ripping through populations in China and Europe, causing
deaths and serious illness. Health services in Italy couldn’t cope with
the demand.
People choked to death, effectively asphyxiated by the virus, before
they got near a doctor. At that time we were utterly defenceless and, no
matter how much we’d like to have dismissed it as not much worse than
flu, in too many cases it caused an agonising, unnecessary death.
To reiterate: when the first lockdown was announced by Boris Johnson in
March 2020 there was little knowledge about the disease and how it
spread, no cures, no vaccines, no treatments, no testing kits, little
protective equipment in hospitals, a shortage of hand sanitisers, masks
and disposable gloves for home use and, most important of all, simply
not enough ambulances, hospital beds, intensive care facilities and
respirators to save lives.
We were trying to build the basic Nightingale hospitals just to
warehouse the sick and making grim plans for mass graves. All this seems
to have been forgotten, strangely, in an orgy of post-event denialism.
Covid was a potentially fatal disease that had – and has – the
especially nasty feature that it is easily spread while people are
asymptomatic. Before they ever get a cough or a fever they can
unknowingly make many others sick – an especially insidious feature of
Covid.
Like any plague, it spreads exponentially, and soon there was hardly a
place in earth unaffected. As the slogan of the time went, we had to
stay indoors to protect the NHS from collapse and to save lives. As the
disease took hold in hospitals and care homes, staff went off sick and
there were even fewer people to care for those dying from Covid.
For some reason the nation now wants to indulge in an act of collective
amnesia. We want to pretend now that things weren’t that bad and the
lockdowns weren’t really needed. The lie is being spread that the
lockdowns have left us with a terrible backlog of cases, hence the
delays and queues for NHS treatment now. Yet it was cold that did that,
not the public health precautions.
So the opposite was – and is – the truth. Without social distancing,
restrictions on gatherings, mask wearing, hygiene regimes and
self-isolation, even more cases would have overcrowded GP surgeries,
ambulances and hospital wards, and left even fewer resources available
to treat other urgent cases.
The alternative would have been to just leave people with Covid:
feverish and unable to breathe, to die alone at home, often with the
excuse that they were too old anyway – the “let the bodies pile high”
attitude once attributed to Johnson.
In fact, during the pandemic the NHS did still attend to other non-Covid
sick people – I know this from personal experience – and did so because
the lockdowns and other public health precautions allowed the medics the
space to do so. No doubt, too, some people suffered mental health
problems, many children had their educations disrupted and some of those
who felt unwell didn’t come forward for attention.
The economy, which we rely on to fund free health care, was damaged. But
all of those situations would have been worse had the lockdowns not
broken the chain of transmission and prevented overload. Harsher and
longer lockdowns would have become inevitable as the system broke down.
As I say, the unspoken alternative strategy (used in previous centuries)
would have been to confine Covid patients to their homes and not allow
them out or offer them treatment at all. Boris Johnson would have been
left to die in his Downing Street flat after he fell ill with his own
serious case of Covid, possibly caught through a cavalier attitude to
the tiny micro-organism.
The case for the lockdowns has been put eloquently by Chris Whitty. A
national hero, Whitty is now having his reputation quietly trashed by
people who should know better. This is what Whitty told MPs last year
when he was asked if the emergence of the omicron variant meant it was
being prioritised over cancer treatment: “That is sometimes said by
people who have no understanding of health at all, but I do not think it
is said by anyone who is serious, if I am honest. When they say it, it
is usually because they want to make a political point.
“The reality is – and if you ask any doctor working in any part of the
system they will say this – that what is threatening our ability to do
cancer and to do all these things is the fact that so much of the NHS
effort, and so many of the beds, are having to be put over to Covid that
we are having to work in a less efficient way because Covid is there.
Finding a way to manage Covid that minimises the impact on everything
else is absolutely central to what we are trying to do.
“In a sense, I completely agree that there are multiple other things in
addition to Covid. If we do not crack Covid at the point when we have
big waves, as we have now, we will do huge damage elsewhere. The idea
that the lockdowns cause problems with things like cancer is a complete
inversion of reality.
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“If we had not had the lockdowns, the whole system would have been in
deep, deep trouble and the impact on things like heart attacks and
strokes, and all the other things people must still come forward for
when they have them, would have been even worse than it was. I want,
through all of you, to make it absolutely clear that that is an
inversion of reality.”
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It seems that the present epidemic of amnesia is one unexpected
consequence of Covid. The constant refrain that we have to “learn to
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should treat it like a bad cold – indeed, we should forget all about
that nasty pandemic, because if we stop thinking about coronavirus then
it will go way. But of course it won’t, and one day a variant both more
dangerous and more infectious will emerge.
We should now be making sure the incidence of Covid is minimised,
through simple precautions such as masks on crowded public transport,
free testing kits and mandatory self-isolation while infectious. And one
day, in extremis, we might need a lockdown to prevent a collapse of the
NHS. If we took more precautions now, a lockdown would be less likely,
but might still be needed. Are we really so forgetful?
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How dare anyone demand an apology for Covid lockdowns – have they
forgotten the terrors of early 2020?
The myth is being perpetuated that lockdowns actually caused more deaths
than lives saved. It is a ridiculous suggestion, but a seductive one
Sean O'Grady
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2 hours ago
·
115
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Advocating lockdowns might not seem the most appropriate way to enjoy a
sunny bank holiday, but I fear it’s necessary.
Thanks to some unwise remarks by those two second-raters vying to lead
our poor knackered nation, the Covid denialists have been emboldened.
Not only do they vow to resist any future public health precautions, but
they are demanding that those of us who advocated lockdowns should
apologise, both for the lockdowns themselves and the undoubted misery
caused, but also for the non-Covid excess deaths now being experienced.
It is getting absurd.
Liz Truss, inexplicably and inexcusably, has ruled out lockdowns in the
face of any future pandemic, no matter how deadly; and Rishi Sunak now
says he didn’t argue hard enough in cabinet about the economic damage
and let the scientists become “empowered”.
Where once these two said they wanted to be guided by the science, they
have now joined the ranks of the anti-science conspiracy theorists. It’s
terrifying to behold. At least Boris Johnson, genuinely reluctant and
slow to impose the lockdowns, did bow to the reality of the position in
2020 and 2021 and take the painful action required to save many lives.
His successors seem, strange to say, more cowardly about doing the right
thing in future. They seem to have sided with those who’d rather not run
up more national debt, and thus pay higher taxes, to save the lives of
others. It’s an ugly sort of backlash.
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The myth is being perpetuated that lockdowns actually caused more deaths
than lives saved. It is a ridiculous suggestion, but a seductive one,
and one that is gaining currency, on social media and among folk who
should know better.
Have we forgotten the terrors of early 2020? A completely unfamiliar,
poorly understood but highly infectious and potentially deadly
coronavirus was ripping through populations in China and Europe, causing
deaths and serious illness. Health services in Italy couldn’t cope with
the demand.
People choked to death, effectively asphyxiated by the virus, before
they got near a doctor. At that time we were utterly defenceless and, no
matter how much we’d like to have dismissed it as not much worse than
flu, in too many cases it caused an agonising, unnecessary death.
To reiterate: when the first lockdown was announced by Boris Johnson in
March 2020 there was little knowledge about the disease and how it
spread, no cures, no vaccines, no treatments, no testing kits, little
protective equipment in hospitals, a shortage of hand sanitisers, masks
and disposable gloves for home use and, most important of all, simply
not enough ambulances, hospital beds, intensive care facilities and
respirators to save lives.
We were trying to build the basic Nightingale hospitals just to
warehouse the sick and making grim plans for mass graves. All this seems
to have been forgotten, strangely, in an orgy of post-event denialism.
Covid was a potentially fatal disease that had – and has – the
especially nasty feature that it is easily spread while people are
asymptomatic. Before they ever get a cough or a fever they can
unknowingly make many others sick – an especially insidious feature of
Covid.
Like any plague, it spreads exponentially, and soon there was hardly a
place in earth unaffected. As the slogan of the time went, we had to
stay indoors to protect the NHS from collapse and to save lives. As the
disease took hold in hospitals and care homes, staff went off sick and
there were even fewer people to care for those dying from Covid.
For some reason the nation now wants to indulge in an act of collective
amnesia. We want to pretend now that things weren’t that bad and the
lockdowns weren’t really needed. The lie is being spread that the
lockdowns have left us with a terrible backlog of cases, hence the
delays and queues for NHS treatment now. Yet it was cold that did that,
not the public health precautions.
So the opposite was – and is – the truth. Without social distancing,
restrictions on gatherings, mask wearing, hygiene regimes and
self-isolation, even more cases would have overcrowded GP surgeries,
ambulances and hospital wards, and left even fewer resources available
to treat other urgent cases.
The alternative would have been to just leave people with Covid:
feverish and unable to breathe, to die alone at home, often with the
excuse that they were too old anyway – the “let the bodies pile high”
attitude once attributed to Johnson.
In fact, during the pandemic the NHS did still attend to other non-Covid
sick people – I know this from personal experience – and did so because
the lockdowns and other public health precautions allowed the medics the
space to do so. No doubt, too, some people suffered mental health
problems, many children had their educations disrupted and some of those
who felt unwell didn’t come forward for attention.
The economy, which we rely on to fund free health care, was damaged. But
all of those situations would have been worse had the lockdowns not
broken the chain of transmission and prevented overload. Harsher and
longer lockdowns would have become inevitable as the system broke down.
As I say, the unspoken alternative strategy (used in previous centuries)
would have been to confine Covid patients to their homes and not allow
them out or offer them treatment at all. Boris Johnson would have been
left to die in his Downing Street flat after he fell ill with his own
serious case of Covid, possibly caught through a cavalier attitude to
the tiny micro-organism.
The case for the lockdowns has been put eloquently by Chris Whitty. A
national hero, Whitty is now having his reputation quietly trashed by
people who should know better. This is what Whitty told MPs last year
when he was asked if the emergence of the omicron variant meant it was
being prioritised over cancer treatment: “That is sometimes said by
people who have no understanding of health at all, but I do not think it
is said by anyone who is serious, if I am honest. When they say it, it
is usually because they want to make a political point.
“The reality is – and if you ask any doctor working in any part of the
system they will say this – that what is threatening our ability to do
cancer and to do all these things is the fact that so much of the NHS
effort, and so many of the beds, are having to be put over to Covid that
we are having to work in a less efficient way because Covid is there.
Finding a way to manage Covid that minimises the impact on everything
else is absolutely central to what we are trying to do.
“In a sense, I completely agree that there are multiple other things in
addition to Covid. If we do not crack Covid at the point when we have
big waves, as we have now, we will do huge damage elsewhere. The idea
that the lockdowns cause problems with things like cancer is a complete
inversion of reality.
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“If we had not had the lockdowns, the whole system would have been in
deep, deep trouble and the impact on things like heart attacks and
strokes, and all the other things people must still come forward for
when they have them, would have been even worse than it was. I want,
through all of you, to make it absolutely clear that that is an
inversion of reality.”
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Letters: I was beginning to quite like Rishi Sunak – but not anymore
Letters: I was beginning to quite like Rishi Sunak – but not anymore
Editorial: We should still be following the science on Covid
Editorial: We should still be following the science on Covid
It seems that the present epidemic of amnesia is one unexpected
consequence of Covid. The constant refrain that we have to “learn to
live with Covid” seems intended to mean we shouldn’t worry about it and
should treat it like a bad cold – indeed, we should forget all about
that nasty pandemic, because if we stop thinking about coronavirus then
it will go way. But of course it won’t, and one day a variant both more
dangerous and more infectious will emerge.
We should now be making sure the incidence of Covid is minimised,
through simple precautions such as masks on crowded public transport,
free testing kits and mandatory self-isolation while infectious. And one
day, in extremis, we might need a lockdown to prevent a collapse of the
NHS. If we took more precautions now, a lockdown would be less likely,
but might still be needed. Are we really so forgetful?
--
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HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 31, 2022, 10:10:25 AM8/31/22
to
the U.K. & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID
vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Aug 31, 2022, 10:14:10 AM8/31/22
to
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:00:18 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://archive.ph/9NASl
>
>
>
>How dare anyone demand an apology for Covid lockdowns – have they
>forgotten the terrors of early 2020?
>The myth is being perpetuated that lockdowns actually caused more deaths
>than lives saved. It is a ridiculous suggestion, but a seductive one
You need to be raptured by the ICE 5-0 and deported back to the
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://archive.ph/9NASl
>
>
>
>How dare anyone demand an apology for Covid lockdowns – have they
>forgotten the terrors of early 2020?
>The myth is being perpetuated that lockdowns actually caused more deaths
>than lives saved. It is a ridiculous suggestion, but a seductive one
Flippines. That is not a ridiculous suggestion.
HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 31, 2022, 10:27:07 AM8/31/22
to
(Sean) 08/31/22 Revd/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of
this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah
17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more than ever in
the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
> Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color
of my face red for those who can see me.
> He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
> '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've
been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the
spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because
the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat
food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician
(i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical instead of
spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is
tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more than
ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
> Psalms
> 81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
> open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
> Proverbs
> 13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
> the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
> Joel
> 2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
> the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
> people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
> Psalms
> 107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
> Acts
> 14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
> giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
> your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an
ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his
word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of
this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah
17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more than ever in
the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
> Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color
of my face red for those who can see me.
> He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
> '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've
been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the
spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because
the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat
food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician
(i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical instead of
spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is
tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more than
ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
> Psalms
> 81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
> open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
> Proverbs
> 13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
> the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
> Joel
> 2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
> the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
> people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
> Psalms
> 107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
> Acts
> 14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
> giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
> your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an
ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his
word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
Ed Rhodes
Aug 31, 2022, 10:52:10 AM8/31/22
to
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:27:04 -0400, HeartQuack Andrew
<ach...@EmoryCardiology.com> wrote:
><begin trichotomy>
Begin penectomy instead, gook!
<ach...@EmoryCardiology.com> wrote:
><begin trichotomy>
Begin penectomy instead, gook!
Peeler
Aug 31, 2022, 11:01:52 AM8/31/22
to
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:14:07 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe",
farted again:
> You need to be raptured by the ICE 5-0 and deported back to the
> Flippines. That is not a ridiculous suggestion.
It IS a most ridiculous & retarded "suggestion", you utterly ridiculous &
retarded pedo swine!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$Szs1....@usenetxs.com>
ONLY in your wildest gay dreams, gay anal Razovic!
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe",
farted again:
> You need to be raptured by the ICE 5-0 and deported back to the
> Flippines. That is not a ridiculous suggestion.
retarded pedo swine!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$Szs1....@usenetxs.com>
ONLY in your wildest gay dreams, gay anal Razovic!
Peeler
Aug 31, 2022, 11:31:59 AM8/31/22
to
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:52:08 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
>><begin trichotomy>
>
> Begin penectomy instead, gook!
<BG> Poor sexually crippled idiot!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$H25....@usenetxs.com>
Your kind will NEVER be accepted, in NO part of the world, you filthy old
reject and pedo swine!
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Ed Rhodes", farted again:
>><begin trichotomy>
>
> Begin penectomy instead, gook!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$H25....@usenetxs.com>
Your kind will NEVER be accepted, in NO part of the world, you filthy old
reject and pedo swine!
HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 31, 2022, 11:51:43 AM8/31/22
to
(Sean) 08/31/22 Ed/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
Michael Ejercito
Sep 1, 2022, 11:34:58 AM9/1/22
to
Michael
Michael Ejercito
Sep 1, 2022, 11:42:05 AM9/1/22
to
You are a Nazi.
As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know you
can not measure up.
You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
betters.
You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would
tell it.
You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe
out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National
Socialism.
Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies you… which is why you choose minor children
as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent adults in a
consensually sexual way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a
helpless victim, be it a prepubescent boy, or a patient in a mental
hospital.
That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or honest
about it.
Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Sep 1, 2022, 11:49:35 AM9/1/22
to
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over food don't have
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward
(John 15:12 as shown by http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all
glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba,
DEO), in the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
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