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Michael Ejercito
Sep 16, 2023, 7:12:24 PM9/16/23
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‘Lessons have been forgotten’: is the UK ready for a new Covid variant?
With worrying mutations, limited vaccine rollout, vastly reduced testing
and a creaking health service, experts are predicting a tough few months
ahead
Charlotte Lytton
Sat 16 Sep 2023 12.00 EDT
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“New variant”, “care home outbreak”, “cases rising”: you’d be forgiven
if the headlines around Pirola, or BA.2.86, the latest Covid strain to
arrive in the UK, had triggered a severe case of pandemic deja vu. More
than two years since the UK’s last lockdown, concerns over BA.2.86 –
known to have infected dozens of people in the UK as of last weekend,
including 28 at a Norfolk care home – have been rising. The worry is
over what is “the most striking Sars-CoV-2 strain the world has
witnessed since the emergence of Omicron”, according to Francois
Balloux, professor of computational systems biology and director of the
University College London Genetics Institute.
That Omicron outbreak resulted in almost half of all Britons getting
infected with Covid last year, and we may be facing a repeat performance
at what scientists say is the worst possible time. With temperatures
falling (colder climes help the virus to thrive), schools and
universities returning to large-scale indoor mixing – and at the outset
of flu season – the overall rise in infections is already “translating
to hospitalisations and deaths, increased NHS pressure, as well as more
than a million suffering from long-term health problems under the
umbrella term long Covid”, says Stephen Griffin, professor of cancer
virology at the University of Leeds and a member of Independent Sage.
“The NHS is buckling from continued underfunding and staff shortages.”
Pirola began raising red flags when first detected in Israel in July,
with cases confirmed now in more than a dozen countries, including
Denmark and the US. While the EG.5.1 (Eris) and XBB variants account for
most Covid infections globally (and most of the more than 1m symptomatic
Covid cases currently in Britain), Pirola, which descended from Omicron,
is heavily mutated. This follows a pattern seen with Sars-CoV-2 since
the beginning of the pandemic, explains Andrew Pekosz, professor of
molecular microbiology and immunology at Johns Hopkins University. “They
accumulate a few mutations that allow them to evade some of the
antibodies induced by prior infection or vaccination, they spread for a
few months, then they are supplanted by a variant that has picked up a
few different mutations that also function to evade pre-existing
immunity, and the cycle continues.”
With more than 30 mutations, Pirola is “very unique”, adds Pekosz, with
the potential to be “more concerning” than the other circulating variants.
Lessons learned during the early part of the pandemic, and before, do
seem to have been forgotten
The government started its Covid vaccine rollout last week for over-65s
and immunocompromised people, earlier than planned, as a “precautionary
measure” in response to the World Health Organization declaring Pirola a
“variant of interest”. Still, concerns remain about the efficacy of the
jab for Pirola, with studies so far producing mixed results. Both Pfizer
and Moderna last week said their jabs offered “strong responses” to the
spike protein (which they target). However Griffin says “multiple
preprint studies posted by reputable labs show this [Pirola] to be
equally, or perhaps more, antibody evasive compared to the XBBs” – which
“are among the most antibody-evasive strains ever encountered”.
The consensus is that it is too early to tell how useful the vaccine may
prove, though some MPs are pushing for 50- to 64-year-olds to be
immunised, either as part of the rollout or privately. With Covid
becoming “more of a value-for-money exercise” for the government,
according to Duncan Robertson, senior lecturer in management sciences at
Loughborough Business School, they may be playing a risky game by
reducing eligibility for “financial savings”.
Planning is all the more challenging given that the UK’s surveillance
and testing regimen is now the thinnest since the pandemic began. This
is “frustrating” says Robertson, as “the UK’s ability to detect new
variants has been compromised by the effective ending of the Office for
National Statistics Coronavirus Infection Survey. Not only did that give
a very good indication of the level of Covid in the population, it also
allowed the proportions of variants … to be estimated, which could have
meant that the emergence of BA.2.86 could have been better tracked.”
The UK Health Security Agency has promised that Covid testing will be
increased, “although details at the moment are scant”, says Griffin. He
says that “lessons learned during the early part of the pandemic, and
before, do seem to have been forgotten.”
Susan Michie, professor of health psychology at UCL and another
Independent Sage member, agrees that as we find ourselves in a position
where “we really can’t see what’s happening” because of the lack of
testing, missteps of the past appear not to have been absorbed. “One of
the things we’ve really learned from the mismanagement of previous
pandemics, certainly in this country, is waiting too late to do
something about it. Given the exponential growth of pandemics, it does
mean that once you’ve waited until it’s an obvious problem, you’ve
really got a problem.”
The NHS in August hit a record 7.6 million people on waiting lists, and
has in recent months been beset by strike action leading to the
cancellation of 839,327 hospital appointments. It “is really on its
knees”, says Michie. “We just can’t afford to have any huge big influx
into the NHS.”
A test tube sample of the new Pirola Covid variant.
The new Pirola variant has 30 mutations. Photograph: Cristian Storto/Alamy
This is more likely given what Griffin calls the current “vaccine-only
strategy”, which appears not to address measures such as masks or social
distancing, and “fails to recognise and account for airborne Sars-CoV-2
transmission, including in healthcare settings”. He adds: “Vaccine
strategy appears to completely disregard long-term consequences of
Covid, which is both undermining of those affected as well as a false
economy.”
With most excluded from the vaccine programme, should we be returning to
masking, and social distancing? Michie is firm that “we need to take a
population-wide approach to reducing the level of infection”, with
everyone playing their part, rather than the current attitude that
vulnerable people should stay at home. “This is discriminatory, but
also, it’s not effective,” she says; either pushing elderly people into
greater loneliness and social segregation, which studies have shown can
accelerate decline, or overlooking the estimated 1.8 million
multigenerational households in Britain. Such households are more likely
to be made up of poorer people or those from ethnic minorities, who
suffered a “disproportionate impact” during the lockdown years,
according to the King’s Fund. Telling already vulnerable communities to
stay at home is only “increasing inequalities”, says Michie.
Watching how Pirola continues to spread is now critical. “We are at the
start of a wave; how serious it’s going to be, we don’t know,” Michie
says. She adds that it is also unclear whether Covid is becoming
seasonal. “But we do know that there are other seasonal viruses like flu
and RSV (respiratory syncytial virus), which do always ramp up over the
winter months. We’re in a potentially dangerous situation.”
Others remain more hopeful.“We don’t really see it [Pirola] spreading
fast so perhaps it isn’t as concerning a variant as it looks on paper,”
says Pekosz.
Management is everything this time around, Robertson thinks, with the
future of any potential outbreak now a matter for ministers. “To govern
is to make choices. Let’s hope the government makes wise ones.”
‘Lessons have been forgotten’: is the UK ready for a new Covid variant?
With worrying mutations, limited vaccine rollout, vastly reduced testing
and a creaking health service, experts are predicting a tough few months
ahead
Charlotte Lytton
Sat 16 Sep 2023 12.00 EDT
Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email
“New variant”, “care home outbreak”, “cases rising”: you’d be forgiven
if the headlines around Pirola, or BA.2.86, the latest Covid strain to
arrive in the UK, had triggered a severe case of pandemic deja vu. More
than two years since the UK’s last lockdown, concerns over BA.2.86 –
known to have infected dozens of people in the UK as of last weekend,
including 28 at a Norfolk care home – have been rising. The worry is
over what is “the most striking Sars-CoV-2 strain the world has
witnessed since the emergence of Omicron”, according to Francois
Balloux, professor of computational systems biology and director of the
University College London Genetics Institute.
That Omicron outbreak resulted in almost half of all Britons getting
infected with Covid last year, and we may be facing a repeat performance
at what scientists say is the worst possible time. With temperatures
falling (colder climes help the virus to thrive), schools and
universities returning to large-scale indoor mixing – and at the outset
of flu season – the overall rise in infections is already “translating
to hospitalisations and deaths, increased NHS pressure, as well as more
than a million suffering from long-term health problems under the
umbrella term long Covid”, says Stephen Griffin, professor of cancer
virology at the University of Leeds and a member of Independent Sage.
“The NHS is buckling from continued underfunding and staff shortages.”
Pirola began raising red flags when first detected in Israel in July,
with cases confirmed now in more than a dozen countries, including
Denmark and the US. While the EG.5.1 (Eris) and XBB variants account for
most Covid infections globally (and most of the more than 1m symptomatic
Covid cases currently in Britain), Pirola, which descended from Omicron,
is heavily mutated. This follows a pattern seen with Sars-CoV-2 since
the beginning of the pandemic, explains Andrew Pekosz, professor of
molecular microbiology and immunology at Johns Hopkins University. “They
accumulate a few mutations that allow them to evade some of the
antibodies induced by prior infection or vaccination, they spread for a
few months, then they are supplanted by a variant that has picked up a
few different mutations that also function to evade pre-existing
immunity, and the cycle continues.”
With more than 30 mutations, Pirola is “very unique”, adds Pekosz, with
the potential to be “more concerning” than the other circulating variants.
Lessons learned during the early part of the pandemic, and before, do
seem to have been forgotten
The government started its Covid vaccine rollout last week for over-65s
and immunocompromised people, earlier than planned, as a “precautionary
measure” in response to the World Health Organization declaring Pirola a
“variant of interest”. Still, concerns remain about the efficacy of the
jab for Pirola, with studies so far producing mixed results. Both Pfizer
and Moderna last week said their jabs offered “strong responses” to the
spike protein (which they target). However Griffin says “multiple
preprint studies posted by reputable labs show this [Pirola] to be
equally, or perhaps more, antibody evasive compared to the XBBs” – which
“are among the most antibody-evasive strains ever encountered”.
The consensus is that it is too early to tell how useful the vaccine may
prove, though some MPs are pushing for 50- to 64-year-olds to be
immunised, either as part of the rollout or privately. With Covid
becoming “more of a value-for-money exercise” for the government,
according to Duncan Robertson, senior lecturer in management sciences at
Loughborough Business School, they may be playing a risky game by
reducing eligibility for “financial savings”.
Planning is all the more challenging given that the UK’s surveillance
and testing regimen is now the thinnest since the pandemic began. This
is “frustrating” says Robertson, as “the UK’s ability to detect new
variants has been compromised by the effective ending of the Office for
National Statistics Coronavirus Infection Survey. Not only did that give
a very good indication of the level of Covid in the population, it also
allowed the proportions of variants … to be estimated, which could have
meant that the emergence of BA.2.86 could have been better tracked.”
The UK Health Security Agency has promised that Covid testing will be
increased, “although details at the moment are scant”, says Griffin. He
says that “lessons learned during the early part of the pandemic, and
before, do seem to have been forgotten.”
Susan Michie, professor of health psychology at UCL and another
Independent Sage member, agrees that as we find ourselves in a position
where “we really can’t see what’s happening” because of the lack of
testing, missteps of the past appear not to have been absorbed. “One of
the things we’ve really learned from the mismanagement of previous
pandemics, certainly in this country, is waiting too late to do
something about it. Given the exponential growth of pandemics, it does
mean that once you’ve waited until it’s an obvious problem, you’ve
really got a problem.”
The NHS in August hit a record 7.6 million people on waiting lists, and
has in recent months been beset by strike action leading to the
cancellation of 839,327 hospital appointments. It “is really on its
knees”, says Michie. “We just can’t afford to have any huge big influx
into the NHS.”
A test tube sample of the new Pirola Covid variant.
The new Pirola variant has 30 mutations. Photograph: Cristian Storto/Alamy
This is more likely given what Griffin calls the current “vaccine-only
strategy”, which appears not to address measures such as masks or social
distancing, and “fails to recognise and account for airborne Sars-CoV-2
transmission, including in healthcare settings”. He adds: “Vaccine
strategy appears to completely disregard long-term consequences of
Covid, which is both undermining of those affected as well as a false
economy.”
With most excluded from the vaccine programme, should we be returning to
masking, and social distancing? Michie is firm that “we need to take a
population-wide approach to reducing the level of infection”, with
everyone playing their part, rather than the current attitude that
vulnerable people should stay at home. “This is discriminatory, but
also, it’s not effective,” she says; either pushing elderly people into
greater loneliness and social segregation, which studies have shown can
accelerate decline, or overlooking the estimated 1.8 million
multigenerational households in Britain. Such households are more likely
to be made up of poorer people or those from ethnic minorities, who
suffered a “disproportionate impact” during the lockdown years,
according to the King’s Fund. Telling already vulnerable communities to
stay at home is only “increasing inequalities”, says Michie.
Watching how Pirola continues to spread is now critical. “We are at the
start of a wave; how serious it’s going to be, we don’t know,” Michie
says. She adds that it is also unclear whether Covid is becoming
seasonal. “But we do know that there are other seasonal viruses like flu
and RSV (respiratory syncytial virus), which do always ramp up over the
winter months. We’re in a potentially dangerous situation.”
Others remain more hopeful.“We don’t really see it [Pirola] spreading
fast so perhaps it isn’t as concerning a variant as it looks on paper,”
says Pekosz.
Management is everything this time around, Robertson thinks, with the
future of any potential outbreak now a matter for ministers. “To govern
is to make choices. Let’s hope the government makes wise ones.”
HeartDoc Andrew
Sep 16, 2023, 7:35:53 PM9/16/23
to
GOD" (Ephesians 6:11) which we put on as soon as we use
Apostle Paul's secret (http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ). Though masking
is less protective, it helps us avoid the appearance of doing the evil
of spreading airborne pathogens while there are people getting sick
because of not being 100% protected. It is written that we're to
"abstain from **all** appearance of doing evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:22
w/**emphasis**).
Source:
https://biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/5-22.htm
Meanwhile, the only *perfect* (Matt 5:47-8) way to eradicate the
COVID-19 virus, thereby saving lives, in the UK & elsewhere is by
rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) finding out at any given
moment, including even while on-line, who among us are unwittingly
contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12) for them to
call their doctor and self-quarantine per their doctor in hopes of
stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the best while
preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations
and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota, Lambda, Mu &
Delta lineage mutations combining via slip-RNA-replication to form
hybrids like http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current
COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Sep 16, 2023, 8:01:26 PM9/16/23
to
Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Sep 16, 2023, 8:05:11 PM9/16/23
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
† The Reverend
Sep 17, 2023, 2:53:04 PM9/17/23
to
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:01:22 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>
>> So how are you ?
> I am wonderfully hungry!
No shit!
And yet another inane gook 'conversation'! LOL
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$hp7....@fx13.fr7>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$Qr2....@fx08.fr7>
Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$Nl5....@newsfe07.iad>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$c5...@fx32.fr7>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$1...@gioia.aioe.org>
In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$YG3....@usenetxs.com>
Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/16kf0qv/lessons_have_been_forgotten_is_the_uk_ready_for_a/
<b'ris>
>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/16kf0qv/lessons_have_been_forgotten_is_the_uk_ready_for_a/
>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>
>> So how are you ?
> I am wonderfully hungry!
And yet another inane gook 'conversation'! LOL
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$hp7....@fx13.fr7>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$Qr2....@fx08.fr7>
Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$Nl5....@newsfe07.iad>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$c5...@fx32.fr7>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$1...@gioia.aioe.org>
In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$YG3....@usenetxs.com>
Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
† The Reverend
Sep 17, 2023, 2:55:49 PM9/17/23
to
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 16:12:11 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/16kf0qv/lessons_have_been_forgotten_is_the_uk_ready_for_a/
>
>‘Lessons have been forgotten’: is the UK ready for a new Covid variant?
>With worrying mutations, limited vaccine rollout, vastly reduced testing
>and a creaking health service, experts are predicting a tough few months
>ahead
And it's all because of gooks like you bringing this over from your
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/16kf0qv/lessons_have_been_forgotten_is_the_uk_ready_for_a/
>
>‘Lessons have been forgotten’: is the UK ready for a new Covid variant?
>With worrying mutations, limited vaccine rollout, vastly reduced testing
>and a creaking health service, experts are predicting a tough few months
>ahead
Asiatic shitholes.
Peeler
Sep 17, 2023, 4:11:51 PM9/17/23
to
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:55:47 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "† The Rectum", farted
again:
>>‘Lessons have been forgotten’: is the UK ready for a new Covid variant?
>>With worrying mutations, limited vaccine rollout, vastly reduced testing
>>and a creaking health service, experts are predicting a tough few months
>>ahead
>
> And it's all because of gooks like you bringing this over from your
> Asiatic shitholes.
He's no "gook", and he never brought any virus from any "Asian shithole",
you retarded serb peasant!
--
Notorious pedo swine Razovic ridiculing the rape of a 14-year-old girl:
"Denying a fourteen-year old her sexual adventure is what is
horrifying, disgusting and shameful."
MID: <stc1gi1so3tdc80aa...@4ax.com>
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "† The Rectum", farted
again:
>>‘Lessons have been forgotten’: is the UK ready for a new Covid variant?
>>With worrying mutations, limited vaccine rollout, vastly reduced testing
>>and a creaking health service, experts are predicting a tough few months
>>ahead
>
> And it's all because of gooks like you bringing this over from your
> Asiatic shitholes.
you retarded serb peasant!
--
Notorious pedo swine Razovic ridiculing the rape of a 14-year-old girl:
"Denying a fourteen-year old her sexual adventure is what is
horrifying, disgusting and shameful."
MID: <stc1gi1so3tdc80aa...@4ax.com>
Peeler
Sep 17, 2023, 4:12:06 PM9/17/23
to
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:53:01 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
Constipated again, "The Rectum"? LOL
> And yet another inane gook 'conversation'! LOL
But which you keep following RELIGIOUSLY! LMAO
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Why do we still have outdated laws prohibiting paedophilia? Do you
seriously think that a 12-year old who spends 15 hours a day on Facebook
doesn't know what's going on?"
MID: <FnMUE.676068$H25.2...@usenetxs.com>
So 12-year-olds are your thing, filthy old pedo swine?
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "† The Rectum", farted
again:
> No shit!
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "† The Rectum", farted
again:
Constipated again, "The Rectum"? LOL
> And yet another inane gook 'conversation'! LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Why do we still have outdated laws prohibiting paedophilia? Do you
seriously think that a 12-year old who spends 15 hours a day on Facebook
doesn't know what's going on?"
MID: <FnMUE.676068$H25.2...@usenetxs.com>
So 12-year-olds are your thing, filthy old pedo swine?
HeartDoc Andrew
Sep 17, 2023, 5:27:40 PM9/17/23
to
(Charlotte) 09/17/23 Idiot/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://WonderfullyHungry.org (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD for His compelling you
to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition
which is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you
more than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://WDJW.great-site.net/Redeemed want even more, so that
we're even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://WonderfullyHungry.org (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD for His compelling you
to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition
which is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you
more than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://WDJW.great-site.net/Redeemed want even more, so that
we're even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
>>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
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