Live "perfect" life. Still have high blood pressure.
Kurt D
160/110 (measured at home and at the doc's office) even though I eat a
good diet (don't add salt to anything or eat salty foods), quit my job
(happily unemployed and enjoying the stress reduction), and exercise 4
to 5 hours a day (2 hours weights, 90 min walk, and 90 min bike ride
typically). I'm about 5% body fat at 6' 2" and 210 lbs. Can't lose
much more weight though the BMI chart says I should be 184 lbs
(B.S.!).
Is a blood pressure cuff really reliable, automated or human-operated?
What else can I do or what is causing my high blood pressure (no one
else in my family has it!)?????
Any tips appreciated. Thanks!
Kurt
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Well, my blood pressure has been and continues to be around 150/90 to
> 160/110 (measured at home and at the doc's office) even though I eat a
> good diet (don't add salt to anything or eat salty foods), quit my job
> (happily unemployed and enjoying the stress reduction), and exercise 4
> to 5 hours a day (2 hours weights, 90 min walk, and 90 min bike ride
> typically). I'm about 5% body fat at 6' 2" and 210 lbs. Can't lose
> much more weight though the BMI chart says I should be 184 lbs
> (B.S.!).
Where does the 5% body fat estimate come from?
> Is a blood pressure cuff really reliable, automated or human-operated?
Yes.
> What else can I do or what is causing my high blood pressure (no one
> else in my family has it!)?????
Medication. Your doctor should be able to prescribe you something.
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Kurt D
couple months ago.
As for the medication idea, that's not right. That's the standard
"doctor" response. I want to know the cause of my high blood pressure.
Otherwise medication is a waste of time since it only treats the
symptom. On top of that, I don't have a doctor right now since I don't
have health insurance. Paying for a doctor visit and for drugs is out
of the question for the unemployed!
Kurt
and...@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote in message news:<a7cd9c35.03080...@posting.google.com>...
Ralph
Pressure by Fasting" on misc.health.alternative.
I just reduced my blood pressure from your levels to 115 70 with a 10
day purified water fast. Read the book, Fasting and Eating for Health:
A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease, by Joel Fuhrman
M.D. for the medical background. You're right that meds only treat the
symptoms, not the cause, which is usually the buildup of
atherosclerotic plaque in the blood vessels. My understanding is that
while fasting, the body actually scavenges this plaque from the
vessels for fuel, cleaning them out naturally, and thus the lowering
of the blood pressure is a permanent cure, unless or until bad eating
clogs them up again. See the reviews for this book at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/change-style/tg/detail/-/031218719X/
and read my documented experience from my recent fast, noted above.
This is an easy cure! and cheap too, but most doctors don't even tell
you about it. Mine was supportive.
Best,
Ralph Hyde
Don Kirkman
<1517d212.03080...@posting.google.com>:
Are you heavily muscled? I'm 6'0", weigh around 160, and the last time
I had a body fat estimate it was somewhere around 14% - 16%, and I was a
marathon runner at the time. I understand you were measured by
submersion, so the difference can't lie in the methodology.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> couple months ago.
>
> As for the medication idea, that's not right. That's the standard
> "doctor" response. I want to know the cause of my high blood pressure.
In about 95% of cases, high blood pressure is "essential"
hypertension. The "cause" of "essential" hypertension is still unknown
and being researched, however we do know it is strongly inherited. It
is likely that your mother has/had high blood pressure problems.
> Otherwise medication is a waste of time since it only treats the
> symptom.
Typically hypertension has no symptoms.
> On top of that, I don't have a doctor right now since I don't
> have health insurance.
How did you pay for the dunk tank measurement?
> Paying for a doctor visit and for drugs is out
> of the question for the unemployed!
There are indigent programs in most places in the U.S. I would
suggest you inquire about it at your local county health clinic.
Mxsmanic
> Is a blood pressure cuff really reliable, automated or human-operated?
Yes.
> What else can I do or what is causing my high blood
> pressure (no one else in my family has it!)?????
Try losing weight. Even a loss of a few pounds can significantly reduce
BP. A weight of 210 is more than you should weigh at 6'2", if you have
a normal build. A target of 184 lbs is on the thin side, but try losing
15 pounds or so and see what it does. It's better than going directly
to meds, isn't it?
FWIW, I lost 35 pounds and lowered my BP by about 15 points. I'm still
trying to lose more, as it is clear that even small losses can result in
big reductions in BP.
Unfortunately the actual cause of hypertension is often unknown. If it
stays unacceptably high (and the criterion of unacceptability varies,
but 160/110 is probably unacceptable over long periods), the last resort
is some sort of medication. I'm not too keen on just treating symptoms,
but beyond a certain point one can argue that it's better to try to
force BP down than to let it run high, even if nobody knows exactly why
it is running high to begin with.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Mxsmanic
> As for the medication idea, that's not right. That's the standard
> "doctor" response.
Doctors see a problem (hypertension) and prescribe a treatment
(medication). It's true that doctors rarely look at lifestyle effects
or wonder about what the fundamental cause of the problem might be.
Their goal is to improve health and prolong life. Sometimes, however,
the treatments required to achieve this are disagreeable enough that
they diminish quality of life, which is why patient compliance is often
a problem.
> I want to know the cause of my high blood pressure.
Don't we all!!
The way I see it, hypertension must be a response to something. Your
body raises BP because it has to, for some reason. This implies that,
if you try to force it down with medication, your body is going to try
harder to raise it again, creating a vicious circle. So you spend the
rest of your life on meds. That's why I'm not too keen on medication,
although I know doctors resort to it very quickly. I figure that,
unless you know _why_ the BP is going up to begin with, you can't be
sure if treating it with medication is a long-term good idea, even
though it clearly reduces the chances of direct negative effects from
the hypertension (cardiovascular, renal, etc.--there is quite a list,
unfortunately).
> Otherwise medication is a waste of time since it only treats the
> symptom.
Hard to say. If BP rises because it has to, then medication is fighting
the wrong battle. If BP rises because of some problem in the body, and
isn't really required to be that high, then medication may be fixing the
problem (or at least its effects). Unfortunately, nobody knows for
sure.
What doctors do know is that hypertension is inextricably associated
with a range of long-term complications, and so lowering it will improve
long-term health and survival. That's about all they can do unless and
until someone discovers what causes "essential" hypertension in the
first place. This is why they (justifiably) recommend medication if BP
cannot be reduced in some other way.
> On top of that, I don't have a doctor right now since I don't
> have health insurance. Paying for a doctor visit and for drugs is out
> of the question for the unemployed!
Hypertension is not usually an emergency. You don't want to go for
years with BP of 160/110, but you probably won't die from it if you have
to wait until you have health coverage again (as long it doesn't take
years and years). Of course, as long as you are hypertensive, there is
always some degree of increased risk.
Bob Cardone
>Unfortunately the actual cause of hypertension is often unknown. If it
>stays unacceptably high (and the criterion of unacceptability varies,
>but 160/110 is probably unacceptable over long periods), the last resort
>is some sort of medication. I'm not too keen on just treating symptoms,
>but beyond a certain point one can argue that it's better to try to
>force BP down than to let it run high, even if nobody knows exactly why
>it is running high to begin with.
>
>--
>Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Curious,
Are you a Doctor?
Bob
Ralph
Pressure" on soc.senior.health+fitness.
Mxsmanic
> Are you a Doctor?
No, are You?
Bob Cardone
>Bob Cardone writes:
>
>> Are you a Doctor?
>
>No, are You?
No , I am not, but I don't talk to people and throw out advice like I
am.
Bob
Mxsmanic
> No , I am not, but I don't talk to people and throw out advice like I
> am.
Good.
Hawki63
>From: ralp...@hotmail.com (Ralph)
>You're right that meds only treat the
>symptoms, not the cause, which is usually the buildup of
>atherosclerotic plaque in the blood vessels. My understanding is that
I ask you Mr Hyde...are you a doctor??
Obviously not...or you would not make such ridiculous statements...
Firstly...there are several reasons for high blood pressure...only one is
related to arteriosclerosis (BTW...atherosclerosis is the "kind" of blood
vessel damage related to plaque build up...and many..if not most..folks with
plaque will NOT have high blood pressure)
So secondly your "fast" and the junk about plaque being used for "fuel"..makes
,,obviously NO sense....plaque is NOT used for fuel..in any sense..in any
situation..
Thirdly...hypertension can be "essential" ie..no known cause...all the
lifestyle and diet changes mentioned can surely help..but that takes time...and
in the meantime you are a sitting duck for a stroke..or heart attack..
Fourthly...hypertension can also be caused by a kidney malfunction....not that
you seem to care..but the kidneys produce substances that can cause high blood
pressure...meds ARE required ...for life...to treat this type..called "renal
hypertension"...try looking that up
Your description of a TEN day water fast is..beside being physically nearly
impossible to sustain..is quite dangerous...as the "plaque" you describe has NO
stored "sugar for fuel"...and also your electrolytes would get totally out of
whack..in case you didn't know it..a very low potassium can cause your heart to
stop...
> cleaning them out naturally, and thus the lowering
>of the blood pressure is a permanent cure, unless or until bad eating
>clogs them up again. See the reviews for this book at:
a fast of a gazillion years will do NOTHING for "cleaning out your
arteries"....
>but most doctors don't even tell
>you about it. Mine was supportive.
>Best,
>Ralph Hyde
>
>
than your doctor was an idiot...also a malpractice case waiting to happen...
"standard of care in YOUR community" must be in the basement...
again...you are not a health care professional..and your ideas (and whomever
you got them from) are totally out of sync..not to mention dangerous..
hawki
Mxsmanic
> Your description of a TEN day water fast is..beside being
> physically nearly impossible to sustain..is quite dangerous...
A ten-day fast is neither dangerous nor impossible to sustain. It is
just not very pleasant, that's all. In a person in normal health, it
won't cause a problem. I can't see any great advantage to it, though.
The first 72 hours are likely to be particularly unpleasant.
> ...and also your electrolytes would get totally out of
> whack..
A fast will not produce electrolyte imbalance. Drinking only pure water
will not produce it, either, as long as the amount of water taken in
matches the amount lost. Over ten days the natural loss of electrolytes
would _usually_ be fairly small (hot climates and some other situations
excepted). It wouldn't hurt to drink ordinary tap water instead,
though, as that would usually be a very hypotonic source of replacement
electrolytes.
> again...you are not a health care professional..
And who are you?
Brad Sheppard
The "DASH" diet might help a little. You need meds, the sooner the
better. Your high BP is damaging your arteries and putting you at
high risk. You're in the "denial" phase - perfectly normal. Get over
it before it's too late. Your exercise is pushing your BP even higher
- you want a BP of 120/80.
kdue...@netzero.com (Kurt D) wrote in message news:<1517d212.03080...@posting.google.com>...
Hawki63
>Date: 8/4/2003 4:19 AM Pacific
>And who are you?
I am a health care professional....
Funny you didn't respond to MY comments and questions re: ....how plaque was
supposed to generate "fuel" for this fast???
Also funny...but predictable...that the "author" of your fasting book says
nothing about the physiology of said fast...just where to send $$$$$
call me when you have that stroke...
hawki
hawki
Bob Cardone
to what he is talking about, and passes himself as some kind of a
'"Health Expert". A real Poser!!!
Bob
Mxsmanic
> I am a health care professional....
A nurse? Nurses always have much stronger opinions than doctors,
because they know less. RNs are much more likely to argue with me than
MDs.
> Funny you didn't respond to MY comments and questions
> re: ....how plaque was supposed to generate "fuel" for
> this fast???
It was not of interest to me. I've seen no evidence to indicate that
any pure-water fast will effect a lasting reduction in BP.
> Also funny...but predictable...that the "author" of your
> fasting book ...
What fasting book?
Mxsmanic
> Get over it before it's too late. Your exercise is
> pushing your BP even higher - you want a BP of 120/80.
Exaggerations like this reduce compliance. High BP needs to be reduced,
but implying that someone is going to drop dead this week if it isn't
fixed is clearly hyperbole and makes the entire claim of
hypertension-is-bad that much easier to dismiss.
High blood pressure is associated with significantly increased risk of
several types of health problems, mainly cardiovascular. The higher it
is, the greater the risk. But people do not normally stroke out because
their BP was 160/110 for six months. It's a more gradual (and
insidious) process, not an emergency (unless BP is really, really high,
of course).
Smoking is associated with even worse things, but nobody smoking today
is likely to drop dead tomorrow, next month, or even five years from
now. Panic is not the answer.
Ralph
Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease, by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
It is fully documented with studies and clinical results. He convinced
me, and now my blood pressure is steady at 115 70 two weeks after my
10 day fast on purified water. If I continue to eat properly, I am
convinced it will stay at that level.
Here are the documented results of my fast, which I recorded for my
doctor on my Marshall 80. I am not a medical professional, but actual
results convinced me of the truth that Dr. Fuhrman has written in this
book. Reviews can be read at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/change-style/tg/detail/-/031218719X/
Then, perhaps, know-it-alls like hawki63 might (though I doubt it)
open their minds to new possibilities.
But for anyone with high blood pressure, I suggest that a ten day
fasting experience will convince you. It worked for me. But read this
book first. What have you got to lose but your meds? I'm 65 years old,
in otherwise good health, take no medications.
Here's my personal record of the fast:
Date time bl.prs.pulse weight
7-8-03 7:50a 163 97 57 165
before 7:56a 148 90 54
fasting 9:41a 154 94 57
1:13p 172 103 54
1:15p 154 99 57
3:50p 161 102 57
7-9-03 9:01a 154 97 57
first 9:02a 145 95 57
day of 2:40p 151 91 57
fast 3:00p 158 102 58
6:00p 145 90 59
10pm 149 92 60
7-10-03 10:10a 164 98 62 164
day 2 10:12a 141 95 64
10:13a 139 92 61
12:35p 141 84 56
4:50p 147 90 65
6:45p 151 90 65
7-11-03 9:25a 134 78 78 162
day 3 9:30a 130 85 77
9:35a 142 79 72
11:45a 148 88 74
4pm 145 74 53
8:30p 147 86 51
7-12-03 9:55a 133 79 60 160
day 4 10am 131 81 57
2:55p 132 83 67
5:05p 127 78 67
6pm 129 73 59
10:20p 141 88 61
7-13-03 9:40a 132 84 54 159
day 5 1pm 128 82 64
2:20p 134 76 58
6pm 141 75 60
7:50p 115 59 58
8pm 109 62 59
7-14-03 11:05a 127 82 63 157
day 6 12:30p 130 85 67
2:45p 120 70 62
6:20p 134 84 64
6:30p 121 79 67
8:40p 128 74 58
7-15-03 10:15a 125 79 66 155
day 7 12:50 136 87 63
4pm 134 80 72
6pm 121 82 70
7:30p 133 87 63
7-16-03 9am 131 84 76 154
day 8 11:26a 118 67 61
11:27a 125 70 62
5:30p 130 78 61
8:30p 127 76 49
7-17-03 9:30a 127 85 62 153
day 9 1:30p 121 76 52
5:05p 122 71 50
8pm 124 77 53
7-18-03 10:50a 130 84 68 152
day 10 10:51a 117 82 73
Broke fast at 1:30pm with watermelon and orange juice
2pm 117 75 56
6:30p 126 82 59
7-19-03 10am 124 79 64 152
day 11 12noon 127 85 77
2pm 122 72 66
first bowel movement at 3pm.
6:30p 121 72 65
7-20-03 11am 121 73 73 152
day 12 4:25p 109 62 65
6:30p 122 77 65
7-21-03 11:15a 114 70 88* after some activity
day 13 2:30p 115 70 60
5pm 107 69 60
7-22-03 9:45a 129 78 59 154
day 14 9:50a 122 75 57
12noon 112 67 59
2:30p 113 71 59
7-23-03 8:55a 120 88 66
day 15 11:30a 122 73 57
1:15a 106 69 56
6:25p 113 69 58
7-24-03 9:15a 118 84 68 155
day 16 10:45a 120 69 56
12:45 129 77 58
went to followup apptmt at 1:45 pm. My doctor declared me "cured".
Since then, I've taken an occasional reading and they've all been
around
115 70. I've changed my diet to fruits, vegetables, nuts, and grains.
Best,
Ralph Hyde
Mxsmanic
> Here are the documented results of my fast, which I recorded
> for my doctor on my Marshall 80.
That has only been a couple of days. We'll see how it looks as the
months pass.
I've noticed a drop in BP when fasting, but it doesn't seem to be very
durable unless you continue with a similar light diet and/or lose weight
(the latter is quite effective, based on my own data).
Hawki63
>From: Mxsmanic
>That has only been a couple of days. We'll see how it looks as the
>months pass.
very good point!!!
but then Ralph would prefer to believe his doc who "cured" him....
but then..what do I know..me the know it all..with 35 years of experience,,,etc
etc..
better to read a book and believe the hogwash presented by someone..anyone..who
finds it profitable to SELL a book on the net..
good luck to you...
hawki...the np
hawki
Hawki63
apparently Ralph is also not aware of how blood pressure and "fluid volume" are
related...ie you eat less (or nothing)..and your blood volume will drop..thus
your blood pressure..and pulse..will also drop
or it COULD go up...if you have "renal hypertension"...as decreased blood flow
to the kidneys causes increased secretion of renin/angiotension
better still..go to Ralph's doctor..buy the book and get "cured"....
hawki
hawki
Mxsmanic
> apparently Ralph is also not aware of how blood pressure
> and "fluid volume" are related...ie you eat less (or nothing)..and
> your blood volume will drop..thus your blood pressure..and pulse..
> will also drop
That would be my first guess during a fast, although I've seen drops in
BP even when I am well hydrated. The drops last only as long as the
fast, though.
The only durable non-medical reductions in BP I've seen are through
weight loss and exercise (especially the former). I have _four years_
of data, and it proves this pretty conclusively. This also agrees with
most prevalent medical opinions.
Hawki63
>That would be my first guess during a fast, although I've seen drops in
>BP even when I am well hydrated. The drops last only as long as the
>fast, though.
>
I think that was my point..
>weight loss and exercise (especially the former). I have _four years_
>of data, and it proves this pretty conclusively. This also agrees with
>most prevalent medical opinions.
>
yep...lifestyle modifications....always the first step...
hawki
Ralph
hypertension resistant to the powerful blood-pressure-lowering effects
of the fast. Even more fascinating is the observation that blood
pressure does not rise back to its abnormally high level when eating
is resumed. In fact, fasting, if followed by a health-supporting
diet, can be a permanent cure for hypertension. Of course, if the
same diet that caused the development of the high blood pressure is
resumed after the fast, the problem will once again be created."
Ralph
prolonged fast continues after the fast has ended, it is not the
result of the fasting-induced fluid loss, nor merely due to weight
loss. Weight loss alone cannot account for the lowered blood
pressure, as the results seen from fasting are significantly greater
than what is generally observed from losing the same amount of weight
through dieting. The lowered peripheral resistance from plaque
reduction and especially the normalization of blood flow in the kidney
achieved from fasting are important factors leading to the
normalization of blood pressure." p.117.
Ralph
are at such risk that it is imperative the blockages in the arteries
be quickly diminished. People who have been told they need bypass
surgery or angioplasty, as well as those with angina at low workloads,
are prime candidates for therapeutic fasting. Fasting allows the body
actually to remove the plaque from within the blood vessels and to
heal itself in the shortest amount of time." p. 111.
Ralph
does nothing to reverse or remove the atherosclerotic blood vessel
disease."
"As this chapter will show, fasting, followed by an appropriate diet,
gives people a choice that can enable them to discard their
hypertension medication and live in good health." p. 102.
Why not read the over thirty reviews of this book at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/change-style/tg/detail/-/031218719X/
and give this well documented and referenced approach a chance?
It's your choice.
Ralph
can do is ridicule new knowledge. Get your head out of the sand.
Dr. Fuhrman has fasted thousands of patients with excellent results.
He says, "The encouraging news is that we now know heart disease is
both preventable and reversible. Every cardiac patient should be made
aware of this. Unfortunately, the general public, as well as many
physicians, is not aware of the fact that coronary blockages, high
blood pressure, and angina can be reversed without drugs or surgery."
"Now, when a healthy diet is combined with controlled therapeutic
fasting, we can offer even cardiac patients with advanced disease a
noninvasive, safe, effective approach that can literally rejuvenate
their entire cardiovascular system in a short period of time." p. 106.
His book goes on to tell how.
I challenge you to read up to thirty reviews of this book at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/change-style/tg/detail/-/031218719X/
and then perhaps even read the book. It is thoroughly documented with
studies and experience, and conclusively proves his points. You might
just learn something new.
Bob Cardone
You wouldn't perhaps be Dr Furman would you?
Bob
Ralph
let you begin to see the light.
Imagine a fairly rich country, where people people drive around and
when they've finished their diet cokes or their beer, they just toss
the cans out the window of their car. And let's imagine that this has
been going on for twenty or thirty years, so that by now the highways
and byways of this fictional country are just lined with billions of
empty alumninum cans. And since this country is a big aluminum
producer and there's plenty of new ore, there's no incentive for
anyone to pick up the cans. Now let's say there's a sudden embargo of
new ore, and that aluminum production is vital to this country's
economy. Within a few days, all those billions of cans which had no
value on the sides of the roads, begin to become valuable due to the
economic law of scarcity. Let's say that in about 3 days they're worth
25 cents a can, and in 5 days, 50 cents a can, and in 7 days, they're
up to a dollar a can. So I'm sure that even you would begin picking up
the cans in your neighborhood if you could get a dollar a can for them
at the recycle center. Not only would you, but your kids, your
neighbors, and their kids would, so that very soon there would be nary
a can to be seen in your neighborhood. And the same thing would be
happening in neighborhoods all over the country, so that soon the
highways and byways would be clear of cans! How long would that take?
7 days?, 10 days?, 14 days? Who's to say, but we know it would happen
quickly.
Now let's imagine a human body, someone who's eaten rich foods for
twenty or thirty years. And let's imagine that you're a blood cell
driving the highways and byways of this body in your shiny platelet,
delivering calories and oxygen to your customer cells on your route,
and taking as much of the toxins and wastes that they leave at
curbside to the dump. Now imagine for a minute that this person stops
eating, and only drinks purified water. Suddenly, you have no new
calories to deliver to your customers, but you do have more room to
carry away more of the toxins and wastes. So your customers become
slimmer and healthier, but also more desperate for calories, so they
start offering premium prices for any they can get. So you and your
millions of cohorts start to detour around to the adipose fat
deposits, where you pick up fats to be recycled and exchange them for
a limited ration of calories. And also within a few days, those fatty
plaque deposits along the side of the road also begin to become
valuable due to the scarcity of calories in the body. When they've
gone from no value to a dollar a unit, you begin to stop and pick up
as much as you can carry in your platelet, and take it down to the
recycle station, where you exchange it for more calories. How long
does it take to gather up all the fatty plaque deposits? 7 days?, 10
days?, 14 days?. Who knows? But it probably depends on the reserve of
adipose fat deposits. At any rate, we can see that it won't be very
long.
So I hope you can begin to see the light, Hawkeye, and open your brain
to new possibilities.
haw...@aol.comnospam (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<20030803234611...@mb-m01.aol.com>...
Hawki63
>From: ralp...@hotmail.com (Ralph)
ralphie...before I put you in my killfile...
just a word or three
>this body in your shiny platelet,
>delivering calories and oxygen to your
uhhhh...platelets don't deliver calories and oxygen
>and taking as much of the toxins and wastes that they leave at
>curbside to the dump. Now imagine
they also have nothing to do with removing toxins and wastes
> Who knows? But it probably depends on the reserve of
>adipose fat deposits. At any rate, we
plaque and adipose are not the same thing!!!
>So I hope you can begin to see the light, Hawkeye, and open your brain
>to new possibilities.
perhaps you need a bit of an unbiased education on human physiology
]PLONK!!
hawki
Ralph
year old man, to whom the book was recommended (Fasting and Eating for
Health: A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease, by Joel
(elsewhere in this thread) of my successful 10 day fast which cured my
high blood pressure. This made me want to pass on my new enthusiasm
for this book to anyone else who might be afflicted with high blood
pressure, as I understand there are many, and the curative powers of
fasting are not well known. I didn't know that HBP was easily
reversible by fasting on purified water until I read this book myself.
To me it was a revelation, and I want to spread the word.
Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<5l94jv0ncbcs3q96g...@4ax.com>...
Ralph
remembrance of my high school biology from 50 years ago is quite
inadequate to construct a technically persuasive analogy, especially
considering how far the science has come in that 50 years. And I did
mix up platelets with red blood cells.
None of this, however, diminishes the fact that a pure water fast can
allow the body to the purge wastes and toxins, and clean the plaque
out of blood vessels, rejuvenating them, which was the point of the
analogy.
As Dr. Fuhrman clearly states, "Fasting allows the body actually to
remove the plaque from within the blood vessels and to heal itself in
the shortest amount of time." (p. 111) Later, he says, "Besides
effectively lowering blood pressure, fasting removes and softens the
cholesterol plaque that lines the blood vessels. Slowly and steadily
the fast allows more blood and oxygen to circulate and thereby
rejuvenates all the tissue and organs of the body." (p. 119). And he
has proved it with thousands of patients, and I have proved it for
myself.
This was the point I was trying to make in my technically flawed
analogy, since you so had emphatically and arbitrarily denied this
possibility in your previous post.
haw...@aol.comnospam (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<20030807123101...@mb-m13.aol.com>...
Mxsmanic
> "Of course, if the same diet that caused the development
> of the high blood pressure is resumed after the fast,
> the problem will once again be created."
Meaning one that contains calories?
Mxsmanic
> I think that was my point..
I wasn't keeping score.
Mxsmanic
> Dr. Fuhrman disagrees: ...
He is certainly free to do so.